How Detailed And Careful Preparation Helps You Produce New Episodes With Wendy O Of The Wendy O Show (Podfaded)

Wish you were one of those influencers with raving fans who binge on your every word, consume all your content, buy everything you have to sell, and demand even more. Then stay tuned while Authority magazine columnist and buzzfeed contributor Tracy Hazzard shares strategies, tips and tactics from top videocasters, podcasters, authors and social influencers on creating that bingeable factor. Now let's join Tracy as she explores how to rise above all the digital noise with the Binge Factor.

Hey everyone. Welcome back to the Binge Factor. I'm Tracy Hazzard and I've got Crypto Wendy O on the show today. I was on One of her lives, which is streamed to Twitter spaces and we had a lot of fun with that and I had to invite her back to talk about how she preps her show, how she does this because it's an interesting show because it's got this sort of trading series kind of experience, this idea of trading crypto. And so it's got a stock show kind of model to it and it's really quite high energy, fun and in got a lot of research that needs to go into or at least a lot of data that has to go into it. So I'm very curious to hear how she does it and how much she preps and what she does in advance. So it should be really interesting to hear what she has to say now that I experienced it from the other side, which it seemed extremely prep and professional. So interestingly enough, so Crypto Wendy oh, she became interested in cryptocurrency and blockchain in 2017 and quickly realized that blockchain technology had the potential to revolutionize, improve the quality of life for all classes and transform the traditional finance industry. And since she's been involved in the summer of 2018, she was also doing this while she was full time finishing her degree in business and marketing and she began the OSHO to document her own journey. And she's been fortunate to meet so many great people over the years in person and on this show. Her network and her team have grown and she's become the largest female voice in the space with millions of views every month across multiple platforms. She's currently focused on providing transparent marketing and media solutions for crypto companies globally, as well as hosting face to to face meetups and educating people and legislators on the benefits of this exciting new industry. So I'm so glad to have Crypto Wendy O. It's a topic area where we have a lot of shows actually on our platform here on the Poditize platform, but we don't really invite a lot of people on about this. So I'm really excited to have a chat with Wendy today.

Wendy. Oh, thank you for being here. Crypto Wendy Osho I love the energy of it. I love the live even translates into the recording. Even though you're not watching the video stream, you still hear it. This is just such a great topic area and I've been in this arena a little while and I love that you really have focused on making sure people know where to start.

Yes, 100%. Well, thank you for having me. I'm excited. But part of why I started YouTube was because I wanted to live stream. My meetups that I was hosting there have always been free. I've hosted over four dozen free meetups in LA county and in different places too. But part of the reason why is I wanted to learn more about technical analysis. I wanted to teach what I learned. I wanted to learn from other people and I started putting them on YouTube because I wanted my global audience to be able to see. I only had like 5,000 followers on Twitter at that time, but that's why I started it. And then the YouTube channel, it just kind of forced me to want to become better and to do more and more and more and do media because I saw that there was a need for people to come into crypto and to talk about crypto that had a very like normal tone because a lot of the content we have, it's complicated, a lot of it is scripted, a lot of it's not by real people. And I think that I bring something different to the table and as to how I explain different topics because tech is hard. Tech is super, super hard. I didn't come from a tech savvy household, I didn't come from a STEM household. I came from a household like a legitimate single mom. She just wanted me and my sisters to get up and to go to school and she just did the best that she could. So I had to do a lot of self teaching. So I want to create a really dope place for people to come and to learn about crypto and to not feel stupid because nobody's stupid.

I think that's so important. I once had someone who early on in my exploration of crypto as I was just, I hadn't even played with it yet myself at this point I was just sort of exploring it and trying to understand what people were doing there. And I happened to meet in Hollywood this actress who was on one of my brother in law's shows. And she said, oh, I hold crypto. And I was like, oh, okay. Why did you decide to do that? And that's what just fascinated me. And she said, because as I was making money, I was talking to all these investment people and they made me feel stupid. But I figured everybody else was brand new to crypto, so we were all going to be stupid together. And I thought, that's a brilliant reason.

Yeah. When I was in the process of quitting my job, working in healthcare, I was at the same company 10 years. I worked in their healthcare departments the last seven years. I'm specializing in HIV AIDS making, coordinating patients care. I walked into a TD Amerit trade and I was like, hey. Because I think GoPro was going super crazy. The stock at that time, this is years ago. And I remember walking in there, into that store in like a really bougie part of Orange county, and they're like, oh, yeah, if you want to, like, trade stocks, you need to put like $25,000 down. I was like, no, that's for my college. Because I was quitting my job to focus on school full time because I was doing it part time. And they just made me feel stupid. Like I look kind of weird sometimes. I'm covered in tattoos, which, whatever, that's my business. But it made me feel stupid. And I'm not stupid. I'm not stupid. I'm not illiterate.

You really are not.

I know how to. I know how to do things. I'm working on my speech, speaking and all that type of stuff. But it just was so crazy, just the way I felt. And then I knew about bitcoin earlier, and then I kind of realized I can trade bitcoin. So I taught myself how to trade, bought bitcoin, like all that stuff, and it was just really cool. And the great thing about bitcoin is and other cryptocurrency assets is you can trade these things, buy, sell, transfer them, 24, 7, 365. And it's a pretty cool thing because banks go down.

That's right, they do. And I just watched GameStop to last night, the documentary, and I was like, yeah, I don't see this happening in crypto. I just don't see it being possible with the way things work over there. It's slightly different, so, yeah, it's nice. Yeah. Well, I love that you decided to start your show the way that you did and that you do this sort of live. And I want to say it has a news magazine feel to it. It has a little Bit of stock trading shows kind of conversations, and you must put a lot of prep into that. So tell us how you prepare for one of your live streams.

Funny thing about it is I am a person who likes to kind of work on the cuff of things. If I sit and I prep for something, it actually, I perform a lot worse than when I'm just kind of organic. So I do have somebody that helps me in the morning. Staff members, kind of like my producer. He sends me, like, the daily topics, like the breaking news stories. And the reason why we do that, it's not a script. Like, I do read the notes he sends because he breaks it down really well to my audience. But then I put in my own opinion because I want them to get what the news said and then my own opinion. And I like to kind of do this together with my audience because I like to be organic, I like to be raw, and I scan for the news, too. But it's easier for me to have everything presented, and then I always add additional topics in. But a physical activity is a good prep for me. Like, I have a very strict structure at home, and that helps me, like, put content out and whatnot. And I don't like to spend too much time going over things because these are quick news stories. They come in, they come out, and I want to analyze them and use critical thinking. I want to read the headline, I want to read the story, which I do in the notes, but then I want to go ahead, I want to read it, I want to get into it, and then I want to spit out my opinion as fast as I can. And the reason why is if I am sitting there and I am mulling over something, my opinion can change. And I want to be able to give my audience the most transparent, the most honest opinion possible. And that's generally your first reaction. And if I.

Your gut is usually right. There's scientific proof to that, right?

Yeah. And if I decide that I've changed my mind, I talk about it again on the next day or later on in the show after I've really thought about a lot more. And some people might think that that's crazy, but I don't want to be a scripted person. I don't want to be one of these personalities, one of these influencers, as like, hey, da, da, da, da, da. Reading from a script. I don't want to do that. I want me. I want it to be me. I want it to be my opinion, because, let's face it, if I'm not doing that, then they can just go watch Fox or CNBC or whatever news station. They could go to somebody else. They come to me because I give it raw.

And I think that's the appeal. Like, I think that's really what is working for you. So when I look at shows and I listen to them and I'm analyzing them over time is that I think you have and your particular binge factor. And the reason I'm going to go check out shows, even though some of the data might be old.

Right.

So in your case, it's not as bingeable as others. I might continue once I find your show and definitely go forward and not miss an episode, which is a form of binge ability. But there are. I'm going to go back and go check out some topics and things because I need to inform myself of what you thought about this, what you did about that, and what you recommended so that I feel like I'm on the same page with you. So I think that that mix that you're bringing in is your absolute binge factor that you're bringing in this authenticity and realness over what you actually think, combined with this knowledge and understanding of how the market shifted, of what's movement and what's going on over time that you're bringing to us every single day. So this kind of that news media analysis structure that you see on a lot of more scripted shows, but then by adding your realness in it, it just makes for me believing you so much easier.

Well, I think there's a lot of.

People not so believable.

I do have to interrupt. I don't want people to believe me. I don't want people to take my word for it. I want you to hear what I say, but listen to yourself. And the reason why I want you to listen to yourself is, is because you should hear different perspectives. If you look at red, if you look at blue, you look at the middle and you look at all these other things, it's going to help you come up with a better understanding. And I know that I talk on the cusp, whatever, but that's different because I'm just one source. I want you to hear other people, but to listen to yourself. Because if you're just listening to me, you're doing yourself a disservice. I love myself, I think I'm great. But at the same time, if I'm sitting and telling you you have to listen to everything I say, do as I say, then I'm doing my audience a disservice. I'm Doing general population a disservice. Hear what I say, but listen to yourself. Come up with your own conclusions. And if you want to challenge me, challenge me. I would love to do that in a very decent manner.

Yeah, decent.

Let's.

Let's make that.

But that's.

I think, you. Compared to some of the other shows in this niche and is that they are pontificating like there's no other way to describe what they're doing is they're out there saying, we're up here and we're just telling you like it is. And you should accept that. And you're not. You're down in the trenches. You're doing it along with most of the people that are along with you, and you're saying, this is what I think. Now go analyze this. Figure this out for yourself, Which I think is really important in this space, because you're not them. You don't have the same risk structure. We all need to evaluate this for.

I don't want to be the same as anybody else. I grew up very, very differently than most people in the space. I want to be me, and I want to adorn who I am and be proud of who I am. When I make a mistake, I want to fix it. I want to do better. I want to be held accountable. But at the same time, I also am very proud to be who I am. I'm a human. Humans make mistakes. Like, if you're not making a mistake, then I don't know what to tell you.

But, yeah, yeah, no. And I think that really comes across. So it's one of the things that I absolutely love about your show is getting those other viewpoints. One way that you sort of evaluate who you might bring on your show as guests.

So there's different ways we do that. Like, I generally like my show to be about me and not in that fashion. Let me explain a little bit. I'm not full of myself, I promise. That's actually taken me a lot. It's actually taken me. I'm in my 30s, and it's taken me decades to love who I am and to accept who I am and to know that I matter. It's taken me a very, very long time. I've been through a lot, a lot of stuff. But most people, they build their shows with other people. I don't want to do that. I want it to be all me. But I do have a Friday stream, and on the Friday stream, any other content creator, anybody who's in the industry, they're more than welcome to come on, on that time slot. And it's a bunch of random people who want to come together and talk about crypto blockchain. I don't care if you like me. I don't care if you don't like me. Agree with me, don't agree with me. Whatever it is, I leave that open for everybody. As far as other people, yes, we do do sponsor, disclose, sponsored content. I do have a team that vets all of that stuff. Also, the people that I am very interested in bringing on are experts. So when I talk about experts, I want attorneys, I want crypto blockchain attorneys. I want people that are in politics to come on. I want miners to come on, I want coders to come on, I want technologists to come on. Those are the experts. To me, those are the experts.

Yeah. And you want to get that perspective of what they're into, what they're doing, what they're looking at, because that can broaden your research, your ability to analyze, agree.

Yeah, that's what I like to do. And it's like, I even have, like, if there's a project that I think is cool, I'll invite them to come on, too. Like, so I think you mentioned something.

Just there that about disclosed sponsors, right? Yes. And I think that's so critically important because we're filming this right after Kim Kardashian paid her fine to the SEC and decided to accept that and move on. And I think that we underestimate how critically examined podcasting might be and videocasting, live streaming might be as we move into the future and we start to see more and more of this Kim Kardashian. Obviously, she has this giant audience, giant influence. It was easy for them to go after her. There are millions of dollars at stake. But I think we can't discount our ethics, integrity, and our ability to be honest with our audience about what's real and what's not, what's paid for what's not, and doing that is on us to create a better show. And so podcasters ought to pay attention to it, no matter how small you are.

No, of course. So even when I started my social media, when I started my YouTube, we disclosed. I disclosed everything. Everything. And I got a lot of heat for it because people don'. People don't like that in crypto, and that's fine. That's their business. But at the same time, I'm not going to leave money on the table because somebody doesn't like what I'm doing. So, yeah, I've got Things done very, very well. We have email, like, if anybody wants me to even like remotely discuss their project. So there's different tiers. On Sunday, we do a Sunday, like, I do like community Livestream where I will chart any single cryptocurrency. If you want me to talk about your project, my community can request it and I will talk about if I think it's a scam. I think it's terrible, I think it's great. I think whatever it is, I'll talk about it. But I'm going to give my honest opinion and I will also disclose, hey, I have a partnership with them, or hey, I have a bag of this, or I've invested in this, I hold this. So I can be very transparent that way. If it is a paid sponsorship, I have a team, the company, the person has to fill out a form. And there's also disclosures there that indicate we're disclosing. There's things we do and there's things we don't do. Team gets it. I have a guy on salary that goes through everything that vets it, even if it's events, sometimes if it's people that want me to go to be to show up as a guest. We do our best to vet everything to the best of our ability and we disclose everything like, I've got it, like a million different places all over the channel and whatnot. And we do the best we can, always. And yeah, and that's that. And we turn down probably 90 or 95% of things that come in and that's fine. Like if we get a client that looks great, great. If we get a client that doesn't look great, we're just going to pass and respectfully pass. I have had some people, like some friends of mine that are involved with projects that don't necessarily meet our criteria, which is fine. They're allowed to come on the show on Friday and talk about their project either in the beginning or at the end as we discuss news. And I'm not being compensated for that. So.

So, yeah, there's no reason.

And then.

Yeah, but they do have a shout out opportunity, which is great.

Yeah, they can shout themselves out. Yeah. So we do our best that we can. We disclose. I do think that the SEC is a little bit problematic with the Kim Kardashian thing. The reason why they used her is because, to set it as an example, but it wasn't the proper example because basically what they're doing is. And I want your audience to understand this and I'm not Saying people deserve to break the law. Okay. But the thing was, I don't think she knew she was breaking the law because the SEC will pick and choose what's the security and what is insecurity. And the most problematic thing about it was, is they went after her and they didn't go after the actual company.

Right. And she had like hashtag ad at the bottom of it. So, like, I think it could have been a better disclosure and I would have done a better job. And I think you would have to, however, at the same time try to.

Disclose that at the same time.

Yeah, I get it.

But we shouldn't be coming in with pitchforks, especially if we're operating in a true decentralized economy. Would I promote that one? No. Would we talk about it? We actually talked about it on the show after it happened because it went up and I'm like, oh my God, we're like making fun of it. We're like, oh my God, she got.

In trouble and now it's going up.

It's going up because everybody's talking about it's her. So why doesn't Gary Gensler get fined for this? Because whatever. So it's just kind of silly. Like, I don't care if people want to talk about a project. Talk about if you get paid for it, great. Disclose, like, who cares? And that's why it goes back to the whole news thing. Like, I'm not telling you to react to the news that I'm giving you and to invest in Bitcoin because the stock market's crashing. I do say opt out with bitcoin because I think bitcoin should be something that people should consider. And when I say opt out with bitcoin, it's not buy bitcoin, it's maybe go read Satoshi's white paper. Maybe understand what digital cash is. Understand what self sovereignty is. Understand what's happening. Because when you read bitcoin's right paper, you start to understand how the monetary system works. So when I say opt out with bitcoin, it's not to buy bitcoin. It is to educate yourself so people can do whatever it is they want with it. I don't know what to tell people. Like, that's that.

I think this would be really interesting if you didn't mind giving us some guidelines as to how you approach your own version of integrity and disclosure in your process. So what do you feel is in integrity with who you are?

So we go ahead and we verbally call it out. We've partnered with blah, blah, blah. We use the YouTube little thing which we're putting on every single video now, no matter if we were paid or not. Because, and I'll tell you why, in the description partner, we have another disclose and then we have two additional ones. So it's disclosed like five times per thing. But one of the reasons why I'm putting promotional content every single video when we're talking about cryptocurrency now is because I talk about Ethereum probably every single show. I talk about Bitcoin every single show. I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum on certain platforms that allow me to generate yield regardless if it's small or not small. Okay. So I'm receiving compensation to some aspect for leaving my Bitcoin and Ethereum on these exchanges. Guess what? If a regulatory body in the United States decides to say Bitcoin's a security or Ethereum's a security, even though I wasn't paid by Satoshi or paid by Vitalik to talk about that cryptocurrency, because I'm getting those yield that could be classified as a security, because I don't know.

So you're just being extra cautious here because there's so much uncertainty.

I'm just putting it out there. I don't know. Like, I have Solana on a platform that gives me like 5% yield or whatever. And I'm not being paid to talk like. So I just put it out there. So. But if it is like a partnership, we will say we've partnered with blah, blah, blah and whatever, like partners for my YouTube channel. Like, I have an exchange that I partner with them. It's on the website, it's in the description, it's everywhere. Just very honest. And we look for projects that like, they have to be docs. We're not. I'm not going to accept compensation to talk about price. I would rather talk about fundamentals because it makes sense. And we look at the code, we look at their socials, we look at the token. There's a lot of things we look towards and we see kind of how their community interacts. A project might be like the best project ever, but the community is kind of toxic. I mean, money is great, but I would rather just not accept compensation for talking about it. And yeah, yeah.

So one of the ways we met was through Christina Brujan over at Continuum Market. And what I love about what they're doing is that I don't have to do all that vetting and other things because there's a lot of Documentation, a lot of vetting going on there. So I can at least rely on that. So what we planned to do was to, whenever there was one of these shows on, if I interview them here on the Bing tractor and they're in the Continuum market, is just make sure to disclose that, because we do have a partnership with her. So it's kind of an interesting model of being, thinking through where your partnerships lie and how you're going to utilize them and what you're going to do. I think you've got a really nice model that makes it simplified for you to just say disclosure. And then also, you don't have to think that hard when you're recording it. Like, did I mention this? And do I need to then put a disclosure? No, it's always there.

Yeah, we always put it there. And I have a step like, I don't care. It could be somebody. I don't care who it is. I don't care if it's a good friend I've known forever. I have somebody that. That's their job is just to go through this stuff and vet everything that comes in. And sometimes, like, and also, too, like, I have a team that writes a newsletter. We don't do, really do sponsorships for the newsletter. The newsletter is free. It's 100% like us. I give my team the freedom to write about whatever they want. And the reason why is because we're teaching about technology. We're teaching about, like, why the utility of this project. So I like to give my team freedom. But I've got somebody that looks at everything. Like, even though we get stuff from some big brands, at times, like, we do a lot of consulting behind the scenes with really, really big brands, like mainstream brands, we still vet what they're sending.

I'm so glad you do that. I think that's really important. We don't realize how big an influence we have as podcasters until somebody's money's on the line, right? And they're making choices. Even if we are trying to tell them not to, like, not to abide by us. They are in some respects, and we need to be careful with that.

So even, like, with them, even with the media we create, like, I always mention moon bags and risk management and taking profit and don't just go buy this, guys, please, before you do anything, join the community, read the white paper, look at the roadmap. Like, we focus on those things because I think it's important. Like, regardless if it's paid or not, I don't think it Matters like just as long as you're doing your own research before you invest in something to make sure it's a good fit. And it's my job to disclose, hey, I got a partnership with these people and that's okay too.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, you do a combination of lives and pre recorded. Are you seeing a difference in engagement or is there any real difference for you in the outcome, in the number of listens? The numbers, it depends.

So some of the like the lives do good because I get to interact directly with my audience, which I love. The pre recordeds are those ones are a little bit harder to get interest in because the length is important and because of TikTok people's the average retention is gone down a lot. So Sometimes I do YouTube shorts. Those can go really well or not. It really kind of depends. Plus market is kind of down. So it really depends on the topic. And the SEO, YouTube is the hardest platform to break as far as getting views. TikTok is so much more easier. And Twitter, I don't like. Twitter is just, I'm just on there yelling at the SEC all the time.

Which has its own benefit, right? You feel better afterwards, so it works.

I love that.

Well, I thought it was really great that sort of commenting that went on when I was on the Friday lives and I just had so much fun. I like, they're kind of cheeky. Your audience is fun.

Yeah, they're great. Like I've got a really great audience and I've prepped them too. Like they know you're going to come with respect or I'm going to yell at you. And that's just the type of person I am because it's important. Like you should show people respect. If you don't like the content, just shut up. No one cares about your opinion.

And so like I love the comments the way that they do it. It's like they didn't even remember who some of the guest names are, but they go, the blonde is super funny, I love her circuit. And like they're just commenting on stuff like that, which is just so great. Like, hey, yeah, super fun. Well, what I did find was interesting is that although you're acknowledging in the chat and everything you're not actually doing that. I call it the Periscope effect because it wasn't until Periscope came in that people would go, oh look, there's Joe and Bob and Penny and like, welcome to the show and so glad you're here. And like they'd interrupt their conversations to do that.

I Do that sometimes. I try my best not to, but I do do that because I want to make sure everybody's validated because I do care about my audience. I care about them a lot. So I do want to make sure they're validated. So I do interrupt myself sometimes.

You do do that. Yeah. See, it just didn't seem. I think, because we had a lot to pack in on that day, that you maybe didn't have a lot of time for that. So I was curious to. Whether or not you still do that. Yeah, I think that it makes for more editing after the fact, if you're going to use it for a podcast. But it does make a better dynamic live.

Yeah. So I don't do any of the editing. Once it's out, it's out. And if I say something bad, oh, well, whoops.

Oh, well, you know, it is what it is.

Right.

And I love that you do that. So let's talk return on investment. So you've got networking going on, research that you're doing, marketing services that you provide, but where are you seeing the best return on investment from your show?

Kind of depends. Because of the YouTube show, I get a lot of really great opportunities. Like, I get a lot of big brands that reach out to me for consulting behind the scenes, which is awesome. And I get to travel a lot of places because I have the show. So it's honestly a mixture of. It kind of depends per the month. It really does. Like, I know that sounds crazy, but it depends. Like, we do do disclose sponsorship that have been vetted, but we also get deals, like, on the back end to do, like, consulting and help brands do different things as well, plus the traveling. Sometimes I get paid to do media at events, some places. So it really kind of depends what's going on.

So what's next for the Wendio?

I'm just gonna vibe. I'm just gonna keep going to keep going. I'm just gonna keep making content. That's all.

Well, there's so much going on that I think that you have to keep going because we all need your info. We all need your mind to help us kind of filter through and make us think about what we need to think about. And I noticed that you have a combination of shorts and more longs. Are you doing more and more shorts nowadays?

It depends. It really kind of depends. YouTube's algorithm is really tough to break. And they were pushing the YouTube shorts, and then they stopped pushing them. So it really kind of depends. I generally would do a short in the afternoon, like, around 1pm PST. Because I want to make sure that I do the live in the morning and get all the news out. But it really kind of depends.

Well, I have to tell you that being on your show inspired me because every year I start a brand new podcast and so I decided that my next one, when I start in 2023, is going to be a live show first.

Yay.

It's going to be structured that way. You inspired me to try to make that work and figure that out because I think there's more and more niches and areas of things where live is going to make a lot of sense.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah. So I appreciate that. Is there any advice for especially the marketing side and promoting your show? Any advice and tactics that you use that you think are really successful that you could share with our audience?

Be on multi platforms. Be on multi platforms. Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, you can share content. TikTok is a really great place where you can create three minute videos, take those and then post them onto your YouTube, your Twitter and you can even cut those videos down really great. And they've got effects, they've got green screens, they got all kinds of stuff. But if you're somebody who's interested in a content, just keep making it regardless. The bear market is the time to start if that's something you want to do.

Thank you. Yeah, thank you for that advice. Well, Crypto Wendy Osho, fantastic. Great advice. Check out her how to shorts the Trading series because that's really valuable as well. I love that you have your white paper on right on your website. You've got blogs going in there, you've got so many links to articles and other things that we might want to check out and we might want to read. Your entire website is a fantastic resource.

Thank you. Yeah, I love that. The newsletters for you guys. I highly recommend you take a look at it. It's just basic information like on how all this stuff works. So check it out. It's free. Sign up. We've got events there, we've got a charity tab there, we've got all kinds of really great things there.

Well, we're going to definitely check it out. Well, thank you for bringing all of your energy and your knowledge into the Crypto Wendy O Show and to the crypto space in general. You are much needed there and a breath of fresh air.

Thank you so much.

I found it so interesting that she really doesn't have to do as much prep into it as I thought she would, mainly because she's got her charts and her things that are going live all the time. And so she's just looking at them and then reacting to them and responding to them. I think that's such an interesting model that she's be able to create this way where the reactions can be really authentic, but what she's watching is something that she would normally be doing anyway. So it's really more a part of her daily work. I think that's really great and exciting. And I'm so grateful to Christina Brujan from the Continuum Market Network, which is solely focused on all things Web3, because she has brought me so many fascinating and interesting people like Wendy O to be able to have chats with, to be able to explore what's going on, be able to think about how Web3 fits into our podcasting future. And I certainly believe that it does. So all kinds of interesting things here, and I really think you'll get a kick out of getting a new view on podcasting and checking out the crypto Wendy O. Show. So thanks everyone for listening to the Binge Factor. I'm Tracy Hazard and I will be back next week with even more interesting podcasters who've got a different take on how to podcast and grow your business at the same time.

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