Mastering YouTube Engagement: Expert Tips For Subscriber Growth With Fran Asaro

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How exciting. Woohoo. I'm so excited to talk YouTube today. This is one of my favorite things to talk about. And because I'm a learner, I just a continual learner and I have the best mentor on this I think I have ever found because Fran Asaro is just so brilliant at at distilling down what you need to know, making sure that it's not way over your head, but also not dumbing it down to the point where you're like, I don't need this. Right? You need it. Like, there's so much fabulous, beautiful detail. And Fran has been such an expert in YouTube and so deeply embedded in learning how things are working, what's changing and constantly in it. And it's always different. It's like different every day on YouTube. I swear, I think it's different every day. And she's all deep in that world. And when you have such deep knowledge, getting it out there and getting it shared with those of you who can benefit from it is so critically important. And that's why it's my job right here today to bring you, Fran Asaro. So here on feed your brand, the podcast episode and our coaching call for all things potatoes and all things podcasters united, we have the brilliant senior tuber Fran Asaro today, and we are going to talk about YouTube engagement. Hey, Fran, thanks for joining us.

Oh my gosh, Tracy, thank you so much for having me. You know how excited. First of all, we seem to click when we do this together and I'm really thrilled to help anybody who wants to grow their channel. So this is a great gift. Thank you.

We don't have to be seniors to work with you. It is your niche area. And I love that because it implies that there's so much about technology that we think we know, but we really don't know. And it's not always important for us to know everything about how the YouTube algorithm works. We need to know how we need to interact with it. And that's what we're going to talk about today.

And also, I just want to say that some of us are not 20. And we just want to learn at a different pace. And so that's why I call it senior tuber, because if you can't run with the 20 year olds, then that maybe a slower pace would help anybody who needs to. I love it.

Sometimes we do need to slow down, no matter if we're 20 or not. Slow down a little and really analyze and think about what we're doing from a careful perspective about whether or not it's a trend that's going on. And that's where I want to start today, Fran, because I want to start with. There is a significant algorithm shift and a focus shift. I'm just going to call it focus because that's really what it is. It's not just in the algorithm, it's in all kinds of levels of big business practices at Google and at YouTube, because Google owns YouTube, that is focused on this idea of audience satisfaction. And that means that we can't just play an algorithm game. It's not good enough. We have to concentrate on our content, which is really important. And we have to make sure that the audience walks away really satisfied from that content. And a really important indicator of that is YouTube engagement or comments, likes, shares, subscribers.

Right.

Like all of those things are indicators that our show is worthy.

Yeah, exactly. I talk about the algorithms in basic form because I don't know how to explain the technical. But YouTube's algorithm is they want to keep you on the platform as long as they can, so they make money. And we're a microcosm of that. We want to keep people on our channel as long as we can, so we make money and YouTube makes money, that's really all you have to do. And so with the four quadrants, with, I call it optimization, where you learn how to optimize your channel and your video monetization, where you strategically learn how to earn money through YouTube and then maximizing your videos so people stay on your line on your channel and then engagement. If you just educate yourself on those four, you got it made, you're better than 90% of the people on YouTube.

And I want to step in here and say, just because you might not be monetizing through YouTube's model, like ad money or anything like that, doesn't mean you're not monetizing your content. And that means that you need those people to listen all the way through because they need to want to reach out to you and buy your book and buy your course and come back to your core business from that. And the most brilliant thing about this so for those of you podcasters out there, you know how hard it is to get them off of Apple and Spotify and get them back into your ecosystem, to your home base, to your website. It's hard to get them off of that because there's no outreach. YouTube provides all that. It is going to be one of the most brilliant platforms for being able to do YouTube podcasts coming up. It's not quite fully shifted over there. It's kind of like halfway there. But as it does it, it's the one place where you'll actually be able to talk to your listeners and viewers. That's a fabulous opportunity and connection base that you can make. So this engagement learning, this engagement piece is critical. And this is the one piece that I think most people have no clue about. In YouTube, we think occasionally I make a comment on a video, but we don't think of it as important.

Right? We don't. As a matter of fact, we even. It might have been that way 10 years ago you could slap a video on, but nowadays, so many people are on YouTube and making money, but they're learning the ins and outs so that they can increase their and leverage their channel for other people.

So let's talk a little bit about the difference between YouTube as a engaged social engagement platform versus the other social media channels out there. They're quite different. And what do you see as the significant difference to say, let's say YouTube and Instagram or YouTube and Facebook?

I know I sound like a broken record, but YouTube is the second largest search engine in the world, second only to Google, who owns it. So what happens is you can be searched for years and years to come where in other platforms you may get lost a day, a week, a month. I have people still engaging in videos I put up five, six, seven years ago and still earning money from them. So I don't think a lot of channels will do that. Plus, you do have some channels that become like, what's going on with. With TikTok? You don't know if it's going to be there tomorrow. You to make sure many of those people are coming over to YouTube even as a backup, because it's a more solid foundation and that's what we want. Something that seems a little bit more solid. Nothing's guaranteed, but definitely that.

Well, I have this relevancy chart that I've used before and I'll drop it in the blog post for this episode@podcasters united.org so that you can see this, but I have a relevancy chart and really what it shows is, is that the amount of relevant content, how long a piece of content lasts in social media is extremely short. And it can be anywhere from an, I think TikTok, it's 30 minutes. Like, it's really scary how short that relevant window is all the way down to Pinterest, which lasts four days. Like, so, like, that's crazy to think about. But YouTube months, podcast and blogs, years, that's a huge difference right there from just even being able to like, as you put it, that searchability. And then if it becomes popular, if it's liked a lot, if it's viewed a lot, if it's shared a lot, it can stay in that relevance quite a long time.

Exactly. And that's why engagement is so important. It's. It helps you connect to your audience, build trust, keep people there. You'll be able to get feedback from them. They'll be able to help you improve your channel. There's a lot of interaction when you have a channel that is probably. It's a business in and of itself. There's so many things you could do on YouTube from there that you run your business and then share with all the other platforms. So it's not like we're discouraging, you need all those other platforms. But this would be great as a foundation so that you have a one place where it starts and then it trickles down to your other platforms.

I love that. Thank you. That's why we live stream right into YouTube right now. That's one of the models that we do now. We do make sure we have our own home base that we own, which is our website. But everything that we do on YouTube is embedded in that website. So they're actually very integrated. And that is our strategy here. I want to really talk about that engagement piece on YouTube. Does it really get you more video views and more channel subscribers? Can it do that?

Well, think about it. If you see somebody on YouTube and you like them and you comment and they don't respond to you, you feel a little slighted. So you want to that you are completely connected to your people, whichever way you decide. I mean, there's many ways to do it. I've got five I'm going to be sharing today. I've got 20 more ways to do it behind that. And if you just learn the ones that right. That feel right for you, because it is important. Think about any of your favorite businesses and how you feel when they send you something, email you something, mail you something, call you up. And this is Our way digitally to stay in touch with people. And people like it by knowing that you care that they're there.

So what you're saying is, is that engagement is a two way street, right? Like we have to, if they're going to engage with us, we have to encourage it. Engaging back.

Yes, those are my first two. So yeah, just to start off, my first one is to answer questions, anything that if they're going to comment and you can answer them three ways. You can answer them in the comments section, you can answer them in a video section, or you can answer them in your community page. But the idea is to answer them. If somebody is commenting in some way to you, you want to go there and answer them. Don't just like their statement, go in there and actually communicate. And that's a big thing. Even I have to connect. I'm liking things, loving things all day long. But how many of those people heard from me in my heart? So you want to respond to them and maybe give them an faq. If they're having questions, send them to your FAQ section. And you also want to put anything you want, like your FAQ section could be in your community page. You want to make sure you provide as much help as possible to anybody who's asking, because that's free advertising. You have somebody who's asking that's going to stay on your channel that comment and then other people are going to learn from that and they may be triggered. I have one of my videos is thousands of comments as people keep standing on the shoulders of the previous comment. Right.

So that it can kind of continue to build on that. Is there a way for us to encourage video comments like kickstart it?

Yes. So that was the next thing. Because if people are asking questions, it's your job to make sure that you ask them. So you could ask them what they're thinking, you could ask them any general question. You could ask them to subscribe or to comment or to share whatever you want to do. But asking them what did you think of this video or what did you learn or what have you done that might be different from what I said. And promote people to respond again, community page in the videos or on the comments section, just keep staying with them like that's your way of, like you can't see them. Oh, you're not going to go to their house, you're going, this is your place, this is your channel to be able to ask them anything. And then that promotes people to respond.

Well, podcasters, you have a great opportunity so thinking about that, you doing guest interviews, you have an opportunity to ask your guest an additional question. So you could even kickstart it that way and say, now what questions do you have for Fran? Like I could do that right in the video. So you have an opportunity to not just ask out randomly. You can ask and interact with your guests and jumpstart those comments. Yes.

And doing it in the beginning of video is always important because not everybody has somebody watching their videos all the way through. So either you can ask them a question up front or you can say stick around, we have some questions for you that we really want your opinion on or we have a poll for you because your opinion matters.

So that's doing it on the video, but you could also be doing it in the comments at a specific timestamp. Is that correct?

You could, you could put it on a specific timestamp and then it would show up in the video. You can do that for sure.

Okay, interesting. So how do we encourage more channel subscribers? How do we get them to do that? What's the best way to do that?

Subscribers or. Well, shorts really help with subscribers. Okay, the more shorts you put out, you're going to get more views and that's going to lead to more subscribers. And then it also leads to the long form videos which is going to give you watch time, hours and that's how you can earn money later on by getting to become a YouTube partner and staying available. Letting people know what they could expect from you will also help with subscribers if they know you're showing up every week for a podcast or you're going to have a live every week and they want to be a part of that. That would also promote because they know what to expect from you and they're going to, if they're interested, they're going.

To join, they're going to come into the next one. And so yeah, subscribe. So you get notified the next time we go live here on feature brand like that that you want to say that you want to put those in any kind of of the tools. There's info cards, there's end cards, there's all kinds of little tools that you can utilize on your videos. But encouraging those. You're right that the I'm a bigger fan of using the YouTube shorts to send to the channel overall or send to that full length video. I only do one or the other. I don't do like the next video or the next thing. I prefer to have it send directly back to the channel because I think they're going to get more that way.

Well, that's up to the person. If you feel like your shorts are very pertinent, like if my podcast gave 10 ways to support your favorite YouTube creator, I'm going to want those shorts to go to that podcast so they can see the other nine. You'll be the judge of that. This is not what I say. It goes. This is an idea. Whatever fits for you. But same thing. You could have office hours. If you could have announcements, you could do lives. You can just post things wherever you want in the community page. Whatever it takes to stay in touch and whatever feels right for you. Because if you're not going to do it, then don't let that be on your list of things to do. Put the things that you feel inclined to do.

It just dawned on me that some people may not be YouTube savvy enough to understand the difference between their channel and their community pages.

Right.

Could you tell us the difference between the two?

When you. It's almost like a homepage for a video. So when you have your homepage for YouTube, you have your banner, the name of your channel, and it's got menu tabs at the top right under the name. And one of those is community and that's almost like a Facebook page or a another platform.

It's like a feed role blog roll. A feed. Yeah.

So you could put in all your posts, but you could also do polls and questionnaires and you could put videos in there. I don't advise videos because they're already watching video. Want to give them something different. But. And then if you have a membership club through YouTube, you could actually speak to each member member level by choosing who's going to get that community post so it doesn't have to go to everybody. You could put isolated messages to your community.

Interesting. So there's a lot more opportunity for engagement there that not as many people are taking advantage of, I imagine.

Not at all.

No. Okay, so we did channel subscribers, comments, community page, video likes. Like do they still matter? Do you want people to thumbs up and the videos and does it really matter if they thumbs down it?

Well, nobody else is going to know but you. But it could affect the algorithms because maybe you won't get as many impressions if they are noticing nobody's liking it. But they took that piece out where people can't see how many dislikes you have and YouTube will know. So you do want to make sure that people are liking it. And yes, it matters. Comments matter, shares matter. Any kind of subscriptions all that matters. So you're going to want to promote that however you want. You could ask them every time. You could ask them once in a while. Make sure if you like this, you share it. Whatever. Sometimes we don't think of it. I know this business and I don't always think to share. So if somebody says, don't forget to share, we're not getting insulted anymore. We're used to hearing it. And sometimes that gets me to take action.

Yeah. Remember, need an invitation to say, you know, I was like, oh, Fran just delivered such great value to me. And in the back of my mind, we want to do something for her. So if she says the best thing you could do to help me out is to share this, you're gonna do it because you want to pay it forward.

Exactly. And the thing is, if you're a YouTube creator, you want to learn how to support other YouTube creators. That's why I did the podcast about it, because you want to learn how to support others and in return, send that podcast to other people, your people, and let them support you the same way. So it's really interesting what you put out there.

Yeah, absolutely. So we've got subscribes, comments, likes. Want to quickly touch on the dislikes, though. So can dislikes get you into a little bit of trouble if you're just. I mean, this is a video about what we hate, so you don't want to click the thumbs up. So do you have to be careful with your content being actually more attuned to disliking and that could actually hurt you?

Yes. Some people are disruptors, so they don't mind getting dislikes. They don't care. It depends. Do you want to be something that's shared because people liked it? I have people who want to have complaint channels, and I said, that's fine. You want to have a complaint channel or a reaction channel, that's fine. But do you know who your audience is going to be and are you okay with that audience? And so if you want people who are the types that dislike, that's something you'll have to decide. When you put up that video, do you want to put something that people are going to say, I don't agree. I do agree. It's going to cause a lot of reaction. And if you have to be up.

To it.

Well, I think in YouTube's focus, current focus of audience satisfaction, even if they're not dissatisfied, it's what they wanted was a chance to complain, then you've satisfied your audience. So it still works. Even if it's not what you actually think of as positive message. So you talked about sharing, motivating someone to share and making sure to mention that. What are we missing? I think there's a fifth thing I might have missed there.

So you want to ask them to share, comment, subscribe, like. And there is one thing missing. I don't know, I'll have to get back to you.

I thought there was a fifth thing. I think it's that you're supposed to reciprocate, right? You're supposed to do it.

That wasn't it. But yes, you're supposed to reciprocate. But I think there's one other thing. I have to go through my own video now.

You have to go through your own video and figure it out. I thought I wrote them all down, so I'm pretty sure it is. But I think it was really that if you want engagement, then you have to engage.

Right?

Like, you absolutely have to do that. And I think we have such a great opportunity to engage with our guests here and really make that happen. And so one of the practices that I've always done, and I started it on LinkedIn, but I've carried it through all of the social channels, is that when we have a new guest who comes on, we immediately like their channel, follow them in whatever social media platform that is, and we add their channel, we add a video from their channel to our, our guest playlist. So we have a playlist that we created in our YouTube channel where are just highlighting one great video that we really enjoyed from the guest side of their videos. And it could be a sales video, could be a video about their book, it could be a webinar. It doesn't have to be their podcast video. But typically we do share that more often than others.

Did you say, is that a good practice?

I did.

Okay, so I was just going to answer that. So it's a very nice gesture. But here's what you could be creating. When you're asking people to like and they like you, so they want to be kind to you. Are they people who are going to engage in your channel? And if they're not going to engage in your channel, you just set yourself up to not look great in YouTube's eyes or sponsor's eyes. If they say, okay, this person has a thousand subscribers, but nobody's doing anything, they all liked you, but they're not following you, they're not watching your videos when they come up. And that's the thing you really have to decide what do you want likes or do you want serious followers who are going to give you a future?

That is such a good point, Fran. And I see this is why I love having Fran on this show because she always brings up the brilliant, deep knowledge perspective on things. And this works really well for me because my guests are my profile. So there are already podcasters I want them to follow. I want them because then they'll get served up a video and they're likely to fall down the YouTube rabbit hole of finding out information that they didn't know and then inquire to become my client, even though they were just my guest at one point. So it is my model. So if you're running a guest model and they are your profile, that might be a great strategy. But if they're not, you're just having more people like, but not then engage or comment or watch. It's gonna down your algorithm. It's going to upset the balance of things.

So, and I tell people, here's my channel, if you feel connected to the content, then please, like, if not, then no, don't, don't get me wrong. Many of those likes that I have in the subscribers that I have, they started out in the early years. I was a failure at YouTube for 10 years. Right. So some of those people came on that way. And the reason why I failed, even though I was YouTube partner and I was monetized, I certainly didn't have the audience that I wanted to have. So it didn't help me by having some extra subscribers at all.

That's right. And that's why we are never here encouraging you to pay for subscribers. And I know there are other people out there that do that, but Fran and I do not, we do not believe in it. It is not necessary. You should have, in your own membership base, your client base, you should have plenty of people who can benefit from the content, who can be your first subscribers to help you get up to the metric that you need to hit a thousand subscribers eventually.

We provide enough tools for people to gain subscript subscribers. Between the optimization and, you know, with the shorts, anything that we can do to help you get subscribers, that's great. Just don't pay for somebody who doesn't know you and they're doing it just because they got paid for it to do it.

Yeah, that's not going to help you at all. Well, there's been some things going on about this sort of satisfaction model and ways that YouTube is measuring it. And I actually got served up. So you sent me this great video From Tubebuddy, which is one of you're a tubebuddy partner, which we absolutely have been introduced to through you and love. And there was this video about these surveys that they'd been doing to test the satisfaction. And I got one this week which was so funny. It was like all of a sudden I became aware of it and I got one at the same time which happens so rarely and lucky for you it was on your video. So I got to fill out a satisfaction survey on your video, Fran. So I got to leave you a fabulous little five star review and told them why I liked it. Like there was like these little, just like little buttons. It dawned on me that the way that they're doing it is very AI driven. Like I can see the AI because they're plan the types of comments about like what you would say is like this was really detail oriented or this gave me exactly the tip that I was looking for. Like you're kind of planting it in a type but they've given it a name that helps me identify that. So I don't just write something in random. I click a button that says this is how it satisfied me. So it's categorizing it. But it dawned on me that these ratings and surveys are really going to be valuable going forward because they are really going to set the tone for what we should do more of.

They're grooming us, us for greatness. They're letting us know what YouTube's about, what their mission is. They're more family oriented and they want people to be liked and they want you to earn money. The more you money you earn, the better they do. So yes, now they're doing things like that and questionnaires and polls and ratings so that you have a barometer to see how you're doing. That's why I was doing the evaluation reports that people know how their channels are doing because some people don't even know that.

Right. So that's where I want to. Before we go today. I want to make sure that everyone knows that Fran is always available to help all of us with that. And she is so brilliant and really analyzing things through and pointing out things that you go that should have been so obvious to me. I don't know why I didn't see it. But she will go through your channel and give you a complete analysis and audit of what you can, an evaluation of how you can improve it. We have clients who are typing into the chat right now as we're, as we're doing this thing. I'M a witness.

Is that Kevin?

Yeah, that's Kevin Warren. Sports Chaser podcast.

Oh, my gosh, yes.

And so you can book a call with her and we'll have that link in the chat. It's also because Fran is a partner with Podcasters United, you can reach to her through any in the tip area, you type in YouTube and you're going to find Fran in there, too. She's always listed at the bottom of every blog with a link to how to connect with her. But the most important thing is that sometimes we don't ask. We think we know better. And it really takes a true expert to just open our eyes to. I should be changing that profile header. Why haven't I done that yet?

Right.

And be thinking about what else I could do to really maximize my opportunities for engagement, for a larger community, for more views, for an expansion of it and tapping into what YouTube is doing well today because I may have set my channel up five years ago and it doesn't work like that anymore.

Changes. You're exactly right. That is such an important piece. People think they've done it right and they did for the time. And they don't know that things change. So even just the shorts, people don't know that the shorts you can now connect with another video. So people will be watching your short and go over to the video you want them to see next. That just came up. Shorts just came up a year, a little over a year ago. So we have to stay on top of that. We try to do it for you so that you just could come to a podcast or a group group. So I had a couple more things for the engagement. I just want to say acknowledgement, that is really important. So if you have super thanks, which I just gave you a super thanks video you're going to be posting. I guess if you're into super thanks, where people have an opportunity to thank you for your videos or your lives, you want to acknowledge them for that. If they've commented or shared or maybe shared your video link, something that you know they did for you, you want to acknowledge them. That's another thing. Do not just give them a heart. Use their name. Name. Specifically share their link to their own channel. If you can like really get into the thanks like it's meaningful for them and that they feel honored because people love to see their own name up in lights. They want to know what they are getting thanked for their efforts and that you really do appreciate them. Because they don't want to just give something randomly without ever Being appreciated. So definitely want to acknowledge that really does promote engagement.

I am definitely headed into that senior tuber age range. So I don't know about those of you, but I grew up in the east coast, and so I grew up with Romper Room.

Oh, me too.

You grew up with Rampur Room, too. And that was my. I mean, how fascinated as kids were we. She looks in the magic mirror and she is acknowledging you from wherever you are because your parent was wonderful and sent your name in. And it would say Tracy from Connecticut, you know, like, or wherever you were from. And that means something to people. Still. It hits us at a place where we really get seen. That's so important.

If you can't get it yet by giving it it, think about how you feel when you're acknowledged. I was on. I stopped in on Kevin's, one of his podcasts. He stopped and he says, is Fran my homegirl there? You know, I clipped it and I posted it for other people to see because I go look at it. I'm his homegirl. Just so excited. I've never been anybody's homegirl before, you know, so it was just really fun. So thank you, Kevin, because that was good and that's what you want to do with other people. By the way, I wasn't the only person he acknowledged. I've gone back to others, so I know he's good to everybody, but I felt like it was my mom moment, and that's what I appreciated so much.

So creating that opportunity is best way to encourage more engagement. Because when they see you doing it for one person, they want to be that person next time.

Like Romper Room. I. I don't know why she would have ever had my name, but I was waiting for it to show up anyway. Like, maybe she would put me out.

Of a phone book.

I don't know.

I. I wished well enough. Right into the magic mirror. But here's the thing that I really want to leave with is that this idea that. That YouTube, Google, everyone is very concerned about inauthentic content, AI driven content, and they are very concerned about that. So they have done a lot to shift the fact that it doesn't matter whether it's AI altered or not, if it's satisfying the audience, and that's what they're looking at doing. But it also gives us smaller channels, a chance to shine if we have a real human voice. And even if we don't have a ton of subscribers yet.

Yet.

But we're satisfying the ones we have, we have an opportunity now. For YouTube to boost us. And that is really, I think, the most important opportunity for us to take advantage of. And that's why I wanted to bring you this engagement piece today. Because if this can encourage more of that and put you in that place where YouTube sees you as valuable, you're going to tap on the wave of this new channel boost, this small channel boost that they want to give out out.

So before we end, I just wanted to give you my last. I had five A's. I have to finish the five days around the last one. So just to go back over it was ask, answer, the your availability and your to acknowledge them. The last one is analytics. Now, how can analytics help you? You'll know if your right audience is finding you. You'll be able to get your demographics, age, gender, location. You'll get to see that. And you can see it by.

We don't get that podcast. Just so you know, we do not get this information from our podcasts. We cannot get it. Apple and Spotify refuse to share it with us. This is an opportunity to understand your audience.

Absolutely. So you can get an analytic by your channel. But I recommend you go to your videos analytics as well to see who's watching it, what time of day they're watching it. So you know when to post your videos. You want to promote engagement. You want to give your people who are showing up what they want, What. How did they get to you? Did they come to you through Facebook? Then you want to promote your videos on Facebook, and what kind of retention? Did they stay there for the entire video, or did they leave after a minute? And why did they leave after a minute? Which is a whole nother conversation. We could have Tracy on another time, but these are the things it gives you engagement metrics. So what they're sharing what they're playing back, what they're watching more than once, what they're liking. It gives you all of that, your traffic, sources. So just to get to know your audience, to know like one, I have to tell you that my story is I had a channel that I wanted to reach women because at one point I was just reaching women. And I went in there and I didn't have any women. I had all my men. I thought, okay, I should have looked at that a long time ago. So I changed it. And within a couple of months, I had mostly women. Now I want to reach everybody. So now I have to, you know, keep changing that, but I get to do it. I'm not a victim to the analytics. I'm in control of it. Once I see how it's working, I get to play with that.

That's fabulous. Such great insights. I told you we were going to have so much fun here today with Frances, senior tuber, expert in all things deep knowledge, YouTube and always experiment. Fran, I am so glad you are a part of our community and I can't thank you enough for being a Podcasters United partner and supporting all the podcasters out there who also want to be videocasters.

I am thrilled. Thank you. I can't stop talking about it. People are avoiding me now. But yeah, I do love it. If you don't want to talk about YouTube, then maybe we shouldn't talk. So.

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