This Host Will Give You Insider Tips On How To Make Co-Hosting Fun And Harmonious With Julie Lokun Of Obsessed (With Humans On The Verge Of Change) Podcast

Wish you were one of those influencers with raving fans who binge on your every word, consume all your content, buy everything you have to sell, and demand even more. Then stay tuned while Authority magazine columnist and buzzfeed contributor Tracy Hazard shares strategies, tips and tactics from top videocasters, podcasters, authors and social influencers on creating that bingeable factor. Now let's join Tracy as she explores how to rise above all the digital noise with the Binge Factor.

Hey everyone. Welcome back to the Binge Factor. I'm Tracy Hazard and I have the other half of the Mediacasters team today. I told you when when we interviewed Karina Belize that I was going to have Julie Loken on and I have her today. So I have the other half of the team, but I'm obsessed with her show. Obsessed, right? The show is called Obsessed with Humans on the Verge of Change and I just love that. It's just such a great title and it's so well done. And she has the complexity of multiple hosts in the whole thing, so it's going to be fascinating to talk with her about that show, talk about the mission and what she's doing with mediacasters along with Korina, and I'm just so excited to bring her to you today. So let's get on with it. Julie Loken is the co founder of Mediacasters, the omnimedia company providing tools for underserved entrepreneurs through podcasting, publishing and presenting. Julie is the podcast host of two podcasts, Obsessed and the Mediacasters, which both enjoy global rankings. As founder of the Mediacasters publishing house, Julie uses her unique brand of relationship building to launch new writers and take them to bestsellers. Her own love for writing and business development were married in her entrepreneurial series Hustle Smart, which reached number one on Amazon. Julie's passion for advocacy and business development was born out of a desire to amplify the voices of those making an impact. She lives outside of Chicago with her husband, four sons, and her sidekick Violet, a French bulldog who does not make any sounds during podcasts that we can hear. I love people who podcast with their dogs. Mine's usually at my feet. Right now she's locked out of the room because she couldn't behave herself. But I'm so excited to bring Julie Loken on, so let's get to it. Jewel, thanks so much for joining me. I'm obsessed with podcasting, just like you are, but obsessed. Your show, I mean, what made you want to start a podcast about that?

Tracy? It was kind of a dare Actually, and I had no idea what podcasting was. We kept getting asked to be on different podcasts. And my co hosts on Obsessed, they're like, julie, we have to do a show, we have to do a show. So I said, okay, why not? Let's do a show. Simple as that.

So you have two co hosts. I mean there's a trio here. Is that complicated? Did it make it harder to get started?

It was very, very complicated. We actually had four co hosts at the beginning. I don't know any other podcasts that have four. Four co hosts. @ the beginning it was like the Beatles, but we really didn't know. How would people actually understand who's talking and what we're talking about? It could get really confusing. We had to practice so much up to when we actually launched our podcast. So we did a couple months of just practicing to figure out how we would even go about.

This. Well, I mean, it's amazing you even thought of it because most people will do. I mean, I have it happen where you have two women co hosts and they don't even realize their voice sounds so similar to the.

Listener. Yeah. And we understood that it would be confusing. So at the beginning we thought that we would create almost characterizations of ourselves to amplify what we're each speaking about. So we have an attorney who is I, Julie. We have a holistic nutritionist, a therapist, and we have a self esteem expert. So just kind of amplifying our characters I thought would be the way to go. But it really morphs into what ever the show is going to morph into and we take the lead of our guests as.

Well.

Now, when you started it, did you have a.

Goal? No, Nothing. You wanted to do it? Well, it was on a dare and it was just, we knew it was an extension of what we were doing in our professional lives, helping others really obtain their best life and think a little bit differently how they do their days. So there was no goal, there was no monetization, and. And we were so green and so new. We had no idea the power of podcasting. We had no idea of how it literally in the first year changed the trajectory of everything we were.

Doing. In what way did it change things for.

You? Well, people who never would have given us the time of day. And I'm not saying that to slight anyone, but there would be no reason to have a conversation with a lot of these people. All of a sudden we were sitting in the same studio as these people and I would ask style people, Dr. Laura Berman, who's a love, sex and relationship expert on the Oprah Winfrey Network. She was sure, I'll be on your podcast, no problem. And I was like, what? Why is she talking to us? But we were having such prolific conversations with people that that really blew our minds. And I knew there was something then at that moment when people were saying yes to us to have these conversations, everything.

Changed. Oh, that's so, so true. Now obviously you're on the binge factor here, so somewhere along that way you must have found out you had binge listeners. People who are joining your show as a listener and then listening to everything you had and going back to episodes. When did you realize that? Or did you realize.

That? I think it was maybe six months in when I started getting random messages or emails or just people really getting engaged in the program, in the show. It blew my mind because beyond that that people are listening to our podcast in the Philippines, in Africa, in Europe, in South America. I could not believe our voices reached to those.

Levels. I think that was one of the most fascinating things for me too, is like really? You're listening to all our episodes. We did 100 to me. Yeah, I know. It was one of those things. Well, that's fantastic though that you came to that place. Did you find though that the logistics of setting up the show, getting it started, figuring all of that out was easy for you, or was it because you had three of you or four of you in the beginning to do split up the work? Did you find that was an easier path for.

You? Well, there always has to be a leader. Tracy and I took that lead. For some reason they all talked me into it and then I was the one that took the lead. But the sound quality was off on a lot of our audio and I just took it upon myself to buy the girls mics and we really worked on it. I did not want to do a half ass show. I wanted to do it with quality. And even though we didn't know what we were doing exactly, I wanted to make sure that we did it right. So we did hire a producer to help us in the initial stages and that was very helpful. And if you go back and is this cringe worthy, if you will, like listening to your very first podcast, you're like, oh my God, I can't believe I sound like that or said that. And it's an evolution, I think, but really just making sure, first and foremost the audio is.

Decent. I know. Now I really hope our listeners out there, if you've got one of those shows where you do have some of those early cringe worthy and we all have them. Like, let's face it, we all have them, but our listeners still listened. So don't get rid of them, don't get perfectionist about them, don't rerecord them, leave them there. Because your growth matters too, right? So, Jules, I have to say, listening to your show, there's such a nice rapport between you and your co host that there's this really nice balance of it. And it's not a competition for asking questions which you think that it might turn into. It's like, ooh, I've got this expert on and I want to ask all the questions and someone dominates the conversation. It kind of naturally flows. Is that planned or does that happen naturally.

Now? Very naturally. But we use the mic method, meaning everyone's muted on the podcast and then when somebody unmutes, we know that they're the next one to speak. So it made it very easy. It took a while. And then we'd all be talking.

About. So you're using choose. I love.

It. Yeah. And we would stare at each other. There'd be silence and I'd be like, oh, we got to cut this silence out. But, you know, knowing that there's an editor behind you, you know that it doesn't have to be perfect and messy is beautiful. And that is something that we've really embraced in terms of being vulnerable in our stories that we do share. And you just do it messy. It's.

Okay. Let's talk a little bit about some of the things that you found. You mentioned before about just being so surprised that guests wanted to be on your show that were at that high level. But, you know, how do you go about deciding who's going to be a guest, getting those great guests going out there and doing the ask? How do you decide that as a.

Team? Well, we are looking for those stories and we're working in alignment with the Brene Brown book, her new book, Atlas of the Hearts, which obsessed with right here. And it's finding those stories, those real poignant stories, experts in their field, people that have a story who can change the lives of our listeners. And that's really all that matters. That's what I keep focused on. So we're asking all these different people. And by the way, it does not matter if you have 1 million followers on your Instagram account, because I have had my most success with our guests by people that have an engaged audience around them, Even if it's 100, 200500 people. Find those guests that have a really and tried and true engaged audience that would do anything for them, meaning they'll listen to anything that's posted or shared. So we do such good advice and engaged. An engaged guest who has an engaged audience around.

Them. And do you invite more people than you expect on in the show and just record at the pace you know, how do you logistically handle that? Because there's three of you may be going out there and asking. You can end up with too many.

Guests. That's never a.

Problem. You know, having too many guests is a good.

Thing. Never, never, never a problem. But I think, you know, you work out a cadence after doing this for some time, you work out a cadence. You know, obviously I have not proclaimed myself as a leader, but there has to be a leader. So I'm really on the forefront of finding people, curating people. My other co hosts, Tia and Mika, they are definitely helpful and they all have their special niche. So I love to talk to people that I have never had a conversation with or have no idea what their expertise is on because I'm always learning something as well. So there is a cadence. There's definitely a cadence that makes us balanced and anything we're obsessed with. If Tia or Mika is obsessed, my co hosts are obsessed with something I become obsessed with. And I become obsessed with all my guests. I always tell them that I am going to become obsessed with you in a healthy way, not a stalkerish way. I become obsessed with that. And that is where the magic is for me at least these relationships that I have built with the guests on the show. That was the surprise that blew me.

Away. I love that. That is so powerful. So your listeners are obviously an important component as well. How do you increase your listeners and get more engagement from those.

Listeners? Well, at the beginning, I was pumping out a lot of episodes. Weekly, three to four a week. I would do minisodes, daily doses of inspiration. We are self improvement podcasts. So those smaller little spurts between our big interviews once a week. And I did see growth happen, I did see growth gradually happen as we were doing those little minisodes between our major episodes. I think also really engaging and always asking for our listeners to rate. Review, subscribe. If I read your review on air, I'm going to send you some swag. I have swag. So we will send you a mug or a hoodie or something along those lines. Engaging with them and asking them to share on your Instagram page. DM us at our Instagram page, tell us what you want to hear, tell us if you're struggling with this situation, I think is a great way. And it's so surprising when we do hear from people. It blows my mind that we have this effect just through the platform of.

Podcasting.

Well, you know, I think that personal touches really makes a difference in the way that you engage, because I've watched your social and, you know, as we're. We're connected. That's how we met. Right. You know, we're connected over there. But I love how you do connect with that, and I want to shift a little bit into your community, because this, I think, is sort of the path. My next question is usually about monetization, but here I want to shift a little bit to that. You're honestly on embarking on a whole new venture, which seems to have come down to podcasting. So Mediacasters and Mediacasters has its own network under the Mighty Networks, which I love the way that you engage with the community every day. I get the newsletter every evening. It just catches me up when I miss it. And I'm always, you know, checking out what Julie has to say, you know, like, what's going on over there, because it posts it right there. And so it keeps me engaged even if I'm not actively engaging in the community. So I think there's really kind of an interesting dynamic where we may not even know the passive engagement that we're receiving. Like, oh, oh, Julie said this today. I'm going to have to go back and check it out. And then they come back into our communities and engage. So I think that's happening for you. So let's talk a little. Media casters, when did that sort of start. Start where you spun off from this saying, I'm so obsessed with podcasting. Not just my show, but I'm now ready to do another one and a whole network in the.

Process. I know, and it's such a fascinating story just because my background really is in journalism and writing. And then I became a lawyer. And then I was like, I'm not sure if I should be a lawyer. And then I did this and that. But I always knew I loved communication. I loved the ability to write, to share. So I opened a publishing company. Why not? Let's do it? And that was a fantastic experience for me. And then I started podcasting. You probably can tell, like, whatever's put in front of me, I just do it, because why not? Except jump out of an airplane? I've not done that. And I don't think I'm going to do that. So I have this passion for writing, publishing, and then also podcasting, speaking. And I knew there was something and something that entrepreneurs needed because you get to a point where you are just spinning your wheels. You write a book and no one reads it. You have a podcast, no one's really listening. You want to speak on stages, but you don't know how to do this. I knew this was a pain point for a lot of entrepreneurs and creatives. So then I met Carina Bellizzi, and she just one day said, we're going to do something someday. And I'm like, okay, okie dokie. And subsequently, months later, we were talking and we both agree about how difficult it is to use your voice to make an impact on the world, especially for creatives and entrepreneurs. Let's do it. So we did it, and we're really building a community around our podcast. Our podcast is just one arm. The Mediacasters is just one arm of our community. We also have a meetup, which is, I don't know. Do you remember meetups back in the.

Day? I do remember meetups. It seems old now, doesn't.

It? It's like, so old. And I'm always trying to think outside the box. So I went on to the computer and I'm going to check out meetup. I'm going to make a group called the Secrets of Podcasting. I didn't check it for a month, and I looked and there's like 200 people signed up for this group. I'm like, wait, we have to do something. And that just speaks to the need of building a community. A community where we can be of service. A community where we can give people the tools that we know from what we've done before. So long. Answer to your short.

Question. So how is it juggling two shows.

Now? It's easy breezy. How about you? Have.

You. Well, I've got eight, so. Yeah, I know it's a.

Lot. It's your passion. When it's your purpose, you don't get burnout because you can have all those rejections. You can go into the fade. You can hit those roads, the bumps in the road, and it's okay because if you're aligned with your purpose, then nothing else.

Matters. How are you finding mediacasters? Like the response from the.

Community? We love it. There is something about it. Every time we have office hours or a meetup group, we have such a great group. And I see the magic is when they start communicating to themselves. Karina and I don't have to facilitate the conversation, and that's really the power. And we're starting to see that amongst.

Our. It's like a tipping point.

Now. It is.

Yeah. That's fantastic. They need a little help at.

The beginning, but, you know, we just push them like mamas. We push them a little.

Bit. Well, I want to talk about your publishing side in a minute, but I do want to talk about your binge factor, because, you know, hey, this is why we're here. I get to do a little psychoanalysis of my own, although I have no training in that. But I do have a lot of training in listening to podcasts and interviewing and doing all of that. So that is my experience here. So, you know, I think both on mediacasters and on Obsessed, what I'm seeing from you is just this amazing collaboration in action. That's what you do so well, and it's so inspiring to me to see women collaborating together in such a fantastic and powerful way. You're doing it with this high level of intelligence, this high level of heart, and those two things are combining into what is making all. All of the shows that you're participating in just fantastic. Jules. So thank you so much for making your binge factor be about.

Collaboration. Well, you're welcome. I don't think I could do it alone. I don't even speaking here just about myself, I get a little nervous because I just don't like talking about myself. I know people probably think that's ridiculous, but having strong women around you, you are the sum total or the five people you surround yourself with, so. So I'm very particular. And having those people that are strong, where you're weak, I think is something that uplifts me every day. And it's accountability, too. Right? So you can't, like, blow off a recording or you gotta get it.

Done. That's right. Well, what advice do you have for those still on the fence about podcasting out.

There? Just do it. Stop overthinking. Just do it. You have a voice, understand? Don't do it for the money. Don't do it for the listenership. Do it for you and your mission and your purpose. Do it because you know you're meant for more. And when we overthink, we stop in our tracks. We become our own worst enemy, and we disengage. So just do it. Don't think so much about it. It's fun. You can do it for a relatively low price point, but find those people to connect with that understand and have gone before.

You. I love that such great advice. You know, I would be totally remiss because you brought her up before to not ask another power woman in the industry your thoughts about what's gone on with Brene Brown and the Spotify situation. So for those of you who don't know, I'm just gonna catch you up a little bit quickly here and then we'll get Jill's opinion on this. But Brene Brown had. Was very upset by all of Joe Rogan's comments and all kinds of different things. Decided that she would pause her show on Spotify to regroup, get in with the Spotify leadership, understand what was going on, and find out what her options were. She then posted a blog about a week later that said she's unhappy about the idea that she has to do what she needs to do. She can't disassociate her brand from Spotify and from Joe Rogan that there's no possibility for her to do that because she's under contract, but she's there for her listeners and she's going to keep going with her show. And so it seemed like she came back to podcasting a little under duress, I think, unfortunately for her. But what are your thoughts about that? I mean, you have an attorney background on top of it, so I bet you have some statements about contracts that people should know.

About. Well, that's the first thing I thought of, though, that I knew she was bound by quite a nice, juicy contract. Right. And while she was taking her stand, while she was using her voice, I felt she was strong armed, if you will, that she had to continue. Her attorneys probably told her she had to continue. There's no way out of this. I admire her for taking a stand. I admire her for really differentiating her voice from everyone else's. Because when people are doing it for money, when you're doing things for money, yes, money is great. It's wonderful. But it screws up a lot of things. And I think that she really is a beacon in terms of showing us as podcasters that you can do what you want to do, but you also have a voice and what you're doing and where you're doing it and with whom. And she clearly didn't like Joe Rogan. I don't know.

Why. Yeah, I have no idea why exactly. Well, I know you're so obsessed with her book and everything, and it's on my bedside table. I haven't gotten to it.

Yet. I have.

It. I have it, but I have not gotten to it yet. I know Atlas of the heart. It's just. I mean, it sounds great. I just haven't had moments because it's been such a busy month for.

Me. You don't read it through. It's just like, it's almost a reference.

Book. Oh, so I could pick it up and not be. See. Cause that's my. See, I'm a read through girl. Like, when I do it, I'm going to sit down and that's two hours later and I'll be done with my book, so. Okay, well, good to know. Then maybe I'll have to pick it up and start, like, dabbling in it then. But tell me why you're so fascinated, why you're so obsessed with.

It. Well, she's done such prolific research on the 30 core emotions, and this is really a reference book. And I sound like I'm. I asked her to be on the podcast. She said no.

Actually. Well, now she may have to because, I mean, you're selling books here.

Renee. Come on, girl. I like, carry this around. It's like, not light either, you know, It's a reference book. So let's say, Tracy, I want to ask you a question. Like, how are you feeling today? Are you feeling like things are uncertain? Or do you feel like you're comparing yourself? Or things don't go as planned? Or are they different than they seem? Are things different? You know, where are you today? Let's just say, do you feel like you're falling short or you're searching for connection? Or is your heart open? Or life is good. Pick.

One.

I think today I'm really energized because today is one of those days where I get to connect to a ton of people. So I love that. That's my energized.

Day. And you are all about connection. So connection really speaks to belonging. And so chapter nine, places we go when we search for connection. And then it gives you the different emotions like belonging, fitting in, connection, disconnection, insecurity, invisibility, and loneliness. So it goes the gamut. And then you can refer to that. So understanding that you're not alone when you're feeling connected or disconnected, or if you're feeling overjoyed or in despair. I think it's just an amazing reference book. Easy read. Don't read it through because you can read it through, but I just find it something that I refer to all the time, thus sitting right next to.

Me. That reminds me of, I have Louise Hayes book on my bedside table. And that is one of those.

Books you have a lot of.

Books? Yeah, I'm a big reader. I used to read like 300 books a year.

Louise Hayes's, though, is always been on my bedside table because there'll be this occasion where I'll want to flip through it and just like go to a chapter that I know it's. Yeah, you kind of have these things, like your Bible right next to your bedside. Whatever it is that you need. Right. To give you an energize you. I love that. But let's talk quick before we go about publishing, because I really want to touch on your publishing business and what you're doing there because obviously you're passionate about books. Like, I mean, this is your. For me, I'm this giant reader and I have yet to publish my.

Book. Oh.

Okay. I.

Know. That's me.

Tracy. It's in final.

Editing. I. Oh, my.

God. So I have gotten it that far, but it's been in final editing for a really long time. Yeah. And so, you know, it's just one of those things where, you know, I think when you're such a fan of the printed media like I am, it makes it more daunting. So what advice do you have for that? And how does your publishing business.

Work? Well, were baby publishers. I'm just going to preface that. The onus for it was that I had a lot of authors as clients, and I saw them pour all their heart, their love, their joy, their sorrows, everything into this manuscript. And then they would be sending out queries to, let's say 600 publishers. And they would get no response. And I was like, something has to be done differently, you know, because first of all, I would go into deep depression if I wrote this, like, beautiful novel, 600 page novel, and it was just dismissed. But really, there has to be a way to do it. And we have kdp, which is the Amazon self publishing software, made it really easy. And people just throw stuff up there as well, unedited. It's like.

Crazy. I can't do that. I definitely.

Can'T. You have to do it. Right? Number one rule, you have to have an editor. Because I can tell right away you didn't have your book edited. Even editors need editors. Coaches need coaches, therapists need therapists. But, you know, I just saw such an inequity. So what we're doing is we're really promoting authors who are. Who have empowering words, who are educating and entertaining really positive, focused books as well as we are trying to do the same for our authors and give them all the tools. So if you Want to self publish. These are the tools that you need to be able to do this correctly. Do it.

Right. That's so interesting you said the word promote because so often I find that publisher. You think, oh, I'm going to get a publisher that's going to help me promote my.

Book.

No. And promotion isn't actually anywhere in the contract. There's nothing.

There. Promoting, right. Yeah. And if you're a traditional publisher and I don't know how you're going to. What route you're going to go if you're going to self publish, but you are your brand. Tracy Hazard is her brand. So establishing your brand, and I'm not saying, like, don't put all your eggs in one basket. You don't need to have Instagram, like a thousand followers, ten thousand, whatever. It does not matter. When's the last time you bought a book up.

Instagram? For me, never. Yeah, that's not how it.

Works. It's about creating your brand, getting those people to speak to. And I mean, podcasting is an amazing way. And I encourage authors, although authors very often especially. And I hate to pigeonhole or stereotype, but the fiction authors I see having problems with their abilities to speak and promote themselves, but it is so necessary. So, you know, I see nonfiction authors do that.

Too. Like some of my. Some of my worst interviews were authors and because they were sort of like, well, just read my book. And podcasting is such a giving media. Right. We need to share a lot here. We need to tell stories, we need to expand on them and. And then I just will naturally want more. You don't have to hawk the book like it doesn't. I just want to learn and like you. And then I will buy the.

Book. So, yeah, I mean, we're getting you on a book tour. You're going to go on the media junket, Tracy. You're going to be on podcasts, you're going to be on press releases. We're going to get you on to. You know, it's not about social media. It's about really expanding your voice, doing book clubs, going on social audio, going everywhere that not everyone has gone. So it is. As an author, you are your brand. The easy part right now is writing your book. The hard part is keeping it.

Alive, unfortunately, the way you said that. So it's keeping that book alive after you've published it. Yeah. That is so amazing viewpoint of it. I am so looking forward to talking with you further about that. And we'll have.

To. Well, I'm so excited that you're writing a book. Do you have a title, working title for your.

Book? That's where we're debating right now, actually. Our team is all debating on the title because it's basically a how to podcast book. So, like, you know, not terribly exciting in terms of that. We're doing the debate about is it going to do better digitally because it has a basic title or is it going to do better because it has a catchy title? And.

That'S. That's our catchy title. And then subtitle that is SEO.

Rich. So that's kind of where we're leaning right now. So we'll see where it ends up. But it's getting.

Close. This is like a.

Cliffhanger. I know if I had a name in front of me right now, I'd share it with you, but I really don't because the team is still working on it. This is a group effort. It is not just my book. We had all of our entire team actually contribute to the chapters from the company because I'm not the expert in intro outro music. Now I know about music. Yeah, really. I mean, I know we have it and you should have it, but beyond that, what else am I supposed to say about it? So we had our team have some input. The team who chooses music day in, in day out, give us some do's and don'ts. It was awesome. So we've gotten the whole company involved in building the book, which I think is kind of unusual, unfortunately. Like, you really can't list everybody on it. So it's going to be under my byline and Tom's byline. But we did write 90% of it.

So. But why not how to create a Binge worthy.

Podcast? I think that's where we're leaning is what where it is. And I think the title, the main title that we're leaning towards is just binge worthy and then colon and then the rest of it. Yeah. And so because we, you know, frankly, the binge factor came out of the fact that I was repeating that so often in our previous show. And so we did a spinoff for it. So why not do that with the book too? And actually we're gonna put the book into two pieces. So it's two books and one is on the front setup side and the other is on the marketing and promotion side. So that it. So that we separated it so that if you're already an existing podcaster, you'd be able to pick up that book and still get that detail information without having to Read the whole setup, sign and that.

Book. I mean, you're already an expert. We all know this. You're already an expert. But it gives you that extra cachet of being an author. I mean, like, I'm like over exaggerating. But the fact that you're an author and you're a podcaster, I mean, you can't beat that. And then you love to speak as well. So it's that perfect. It's that perfect trifecta. I think the.

Three. I was going to get advice here on the show, but I'm.

So. I can't help.

Myself. I love it. And you know what? That's the fascinating part about podcasters. I love that they, they have such a give and take. And your show is fantastic. Both your shows are.

Fantastic. Thank.

You. But Obsessed is really something for people to take a listen to, check out the way that you do it. It's an incredibly great model. The collaboration and dynamic interaction between all of the co hosts and the guests. Just fantastic. So great work. Jolie. Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing that with us. And we look forward to hearing more about mediacasters as we go.

Forward. Oh, you know you are. Because we love ourselves some padd. So thank.

You. Thanks so much. So much fun when I get to talk with someone who can trip into let's talk about industry and what's going on in podcasting. And I hope that's not geeking out too much for those audience members out there who don't have shows yet. But also I think it's good for you to have this eye opening view of what the industry is like and what's going on in that. I'm working on a new podcast on that side and I can't wait to get input from other people like Julie look and like Carina Bellizzi. You know, just so many people that, like many of the people that we have in our certified strategist program, their views Marian Abrams, we had on recently, you know, those kinds of people are going to have great input into the new show that I'm working on. And so I'm so glad I have these wonderful, wonderful partners. I'm also so glad that I can bring you a show where you can get a behind the scenes peek at what it's like to work with three hosts and what it's like to run multiple shows and what it's like to start a network so that you can get an idea for what you want to do with everything that you're doing and where your goals are and what you are doing with podcasting specifically. So Julie Loken, Amazing. Obsessed with humans, on the verge of change and the Mediacasters Podcast. You're not going to want to miss them. Plus, make sure you go to the blog post for this episode@the bingefactor.com so you can connect up to the Mediacasters community and make sure that if this network interests you, you can join straight from there. So looking forward to bringing you more mediacaster podcasters. So that's going to be a great conduit for us in the future. But I always want to hear from you. How was this episode? What'd you think? Should I bring more people like Julie? Should I bring more people from her community in Let me know and let me know if you qualify for the Binge Factor as well. So I'll be back next time with another Binge Factor.

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