The Fatigue Fix Your Doctor Missed: Recharge Your Cells with Peptides

It's, I think we are in the age of disruption and we also need good solutions that are very cost-effective. I mean, you know, for our MS patients, you, you could be treated for a full year, all different stages for around $2,000 for a year. Okay. And get results.

And those meds, you know, cost that per month, right?

10,000 per injection. Right. So we know that, you know, we know we're just trying to improve outcomes. We know that we can help overcome challenges and it has to be affordable. It has to be accessible. It has to be measurable.

Um, and you know what, I, I don't see Apple and these other things saying that in a board meeting, it has to be affordable.

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Hello, this is Dr. Kent Holtorf with another episode and a new speaker for you. Kind of amazing guy, Dr. Raja. Thank you for being on. Looking forward to this conversation. Doing some very cool things with, with mitochondria. So we're going to be talking about mitochondrial dysfunction and disease. And he's an expert in that and a self-proclaimed mitochondrial geek. So welcome.

Thank you, Dr. Holtorf. Thanks for, thanks for having me.

Yeah, it's— I'm amazed just looking through all your stuff and I've been a proponent of, you know, basically mitochondrial dysfunction and give lectures on it. Even with hypothyroidism, you know, mitochondrial dysfunction causes hypothyroidism that looks normal on the blood test. But just a little bit about Dr. Raja. He's an innovative board-certified otolaryngologist for almost 25 years, specializing in minimally invasive sinus ventilation procedures. He's a self-proclaimed medical device geek and, and has helped to design many of the tools that he uses at his office in Orlando. Tampa, and West Palm Beach, Florida. So many people are from Florida. Dr. Raj has been red-pilled, i.e., The Matrix, take the red pill, you can't go back, into mitochondrial medicine as a result of caring for younger and younger patients suffering from autoimmunity, chronic fatigue syndrome, biotoxin illness, mold, and neurodegeneration, um, which I totally agree with the mitochondrial picture. And it becomes a vicious cycle when you have low mitochondria that, you know, your hypothalamus doesn't work, your immune system doesn't work. So then you get chronic infections and that makes mitochondria worse. You get oxidative stress, it makes it worse. So it just goes around and around and, and it gets worse. And then cell danger response. And so just pumps out all this oxidative stress and people are in trouble and you got to try to unwind that. But fixing mitochondria is, is very key. He understands that all chronic disease stems from having a lack of mitochondrial voltage. And considers himself fortunate to be involved in Mitochondrial Rescue for the second half of his medical career. Excuse me, Mitochondrial Rescue couples proprietary mitochondrial neuropeptide therapy and advanced scientific research to follow the improvement in patients and their outcomes at an excellent value. Uh, he's always been solution, solution-oriented and is grateful to be able to offer the Mitochondrial Rescue program to like-minded practitioners with his full support. So there's a lot of training, and, and then really, you know, shows you how some, you know, one key aspect that I don't know if anyone's teaching on mitochondria, you know, really what, what to do. We have some, you know, standard mitochondrial peptides, which we like a lot, but he has a way that really talk about cost effective. And, and we won't— I won't give it up yet, but it's It's— you've— I'm sure you've seen it, but you didn't know it was a peptide. And so Sonny has wearables, which I'm looking forward to hearing about. Also advanced heart rate variability training. And I'll talk about why that correlates with mitochondria and which he's pleased to offer on a complimentary basis. So I'm looking forward to this, learning some, some cool new things. And I appreciate you being on.

Thank you. Right, so the concept is that chronic inflammation is the cause of all disease, and it robs you of power. And the voltage that we have in our body, which is greater than a lightning bolt— 250 million volts actually, at a minimum— uh, really? Yeah, yeah, can go down. And if you lose power, you think about your cell phone, right? You have a certain decay rate once your battery ages a bit, and as the older you get, once it gets 75% discharged, it just dumps. It can't run all the programs. So it's very similar. And mitochondria are like a smartphone battery. In your smartphone, they make up about 10 to 15% of your body weight. So it's very similar. So what we like to do with our program is we like to determine your mito profile. We like to know what your mito reserve is. We like to know what your mito decay is. And because we're so confident in, in our peptide therapy, we know that we could raise your reserve and slow down your decay, and we can give you the tools to measure it for yourself as well as for your clients.

I mean, that's huge because I've been looking for a good mitochondrial test. I don't know, for decades.

Yeah.

There's MitoSwab.

I haven't found it that useful. What's your thought on that test?

I, you know, there's so many, and the organic acids, and, you know, mitochondria represents energy. So we— I am interested in more energetic measurements, to tell you the truth, and I use a lot of diagnostic and therapeutic energies in my career as a surgical subspecialist, so I'm very comfortable with it. And now that we're in the era of BYOD world, bring your own device world, uh, I do think that there's an opportunity coupled with where telemedicine is heading, it's not really going back, uh, in my opinion. We can connect the patients with their biofeedback data and talk about their metabolism and give them therapies that they could do at home, perhaps, you know, some of our dietary peptides, and make a really huge impact in a way that I don't think really has been done before.

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Let's see, just to differentiate, when you're saying energetic testing, most people think of like, you know, where, you know, taking your arm and that, like energetic. So that's totally not what you're saying, right?

So, you know, I just want to put my hat on as an ENT. I went— I've been through 6 cycles of revolutionary technology in my 25 years as an ENT, and On the diagnostic side, we do hearing tests. We do advanced infrared balance tests. We do audit— auditory brainstem studies. We do recurrent laryngeal nerve monitoring when we do our neck surgery. We do facial nerve monitoring. We do electromagnetic image guidance for sinus surgery. And on the therapeutic side, we used all kinds of heat, laser, infrared, radiofrequency ablation. And then we ended up using cryoablation. And right now we're using high-pressure balloons. To do the work that we do. And that is what I would describe as, as energetic treatments. And when you talk about mitochondria, really what we're talking about is their fuel, okay? Which is, are they burning carbs or are they burning fats? Because, you know, if you're burning fats, you're making 4 to 5 times more energy. And we feel that our peptide makes fasting and going ketogenic, including the mood that you would get, much easier, okay? And of course our food is our electrons. Okay, we get them from sun, we get them from Mother Earth, but those are the voltage. Okay, and so we can measure that. I mean, it is an electrical measurement, heart rate variability is, and because the bandwidth of our device is so high, we get measurements that others don't, but that doesn't mean that more commercially available instruments are not worthy of our analysis. So that's voltage. Okay, and of course, oxygen levels, you know, in this COVID pandemic world, That's a big deal with all the cytokines and not being able to hold on to your oxygen, to the hemoglobin. And, you know, so that was the oxygen levels and we have advanced oxygen monitoring devices that are coming out as well. So there's a packet of energetic measurements that are more advanced that you might have to go to the doctor and have them do, but there's also a packet of things in your stable, BYOD, that you can do at home and relate to your doctor there. So, You know, if you have an effective therapy and if you're not, if you're really not concerned that maybe your therapy doesn't work, or maybe you want to see how additive what you guys already do when you add our peptides, I think, you know, this might be the right program for you. And the training isn't all that difficult. It was meant to be a weekend course. So it's not, it's not like a big module.

That's nice because it makes it easy and it sounds affordable, affordable for patients. You know, you got some great device, but if it, you know, costs $100,000, you know, it's— you got to charge so much to try to get your money back in 10 years. Um, so you've got a worthy cause, and it really, you know, sounds like your big goal is to help patients and help doctors help patients, you know. So that's, that's awesome.

And I think it is such a problem now. I mean, you know, I know 20 years ago, 10 years ago, You know, people weren't as sick. It seems like everyone's sick. Either they're sick or their family member, like you're at a cocktail party and was like, oh my God, I'm so, it feels so bad, da da da, or my sister's got this, what do you know? I think we're getting, you know, just so much toxins and stress, you know, EMFs and pesticides and all these things. And I think our care is becoming so cookie cutter. And yeah, do you think Kaiser's looking at mitochondria, you know? That it's just having, you know, a huge problem and, you know, lifespans going down for the first time and neurodegenerative diseases and things like that. So we'll get into all that.

Are you doing—

I think you have some research that you're starting or in the middle of?

We have a long track record of product-specific advanced research through 3 different medical universities from the part of the world where this comes from. And, you know, we, first of all, we proved that our particular peptide has an intracellular concentration that is amazing in terms of the bioavailability. And we also have proven that it cannot be broken down by the only enzyme that breaks down this peptide therapy, even though it's only 2 amino acids. Uh, so that's the main manufacturing proprietary IP.

Do you want to tell them what it is?

Sure. It's Carnosine Extra, and the product line is called Mitochondrial Rescue. And so it does not get broken down by carnosinase. So that means you can have BID dosing. If you have a big steak, carn meat, right? That's where it traditionally has come from historically. Although this is a vegan and vegetarian, it'll last maybe a year and a half and you won't get nearly as much into the cell as you can with our product. So you regenerate faster than your normal years of age would allow you to, is basically what happens because the carnosine is so pleiotrophic. But we did a lot of our research on MS because the country of origin, you know, they thought that it would be good for the brain because energy in the brain is basically everything. And they gave it to some of their patients who had MS and they were getting phone calls, hey, this is getting better. So they went to their government and they said, can I have a grant? And that's how their MS studies became born. So they presented in Dubai, they presented in London, and we have human studies, we have rat studies, we have functional MR studies that basically show that it slows down the rate of demyelination in an animal model. It protects the blood-brain barrier and it actually acts like a brain growth factor in culture.

Wow.

In humans, we had a 28-patient study that showed that they had more energy, less pain, less fatigue, and they were overall much happier. After just, I think it was 3 months of therapy at the sweet spot dose of 6 capsules a day, because this is not an injectable, this is oral and it's made from food and your body makes it yourself.

Okay, so what, how many milligrams is that?

It's 125. And, uh, we have a—

in a capsule?

In a capsule, but it also has CoQ10, vitamin E, bilberry, grapeseed, you know, some other things in it. But really it's the massive bioavailability We have a big metabolic study coming out this year, very big, where we're going to be doing rats, humans, and, and mice. And it's going to be insulin, cholesterol, leptin, antioxidative potential, and glucose over a 4-month study. And we're actually going head-to-head against metformin and Lipitor.

Wow, actually.

Wow, that's amazing, you know. And these studies aren't cheap, so, you know, your money where your mouth is.

The research dollar goes a lot further where we are. And, uh, uh, what I can tell you so far with that study is that in, in the rats, the oral glucose tolerance test showed a very, very rapid return to baseline glucose levels after being given Carnosine Extra as compared to the control. But they don't allow me to say too much. It's going to be a pretty exciting study.

Yeah, because once you come out as a supplement, you can't make a claim.

So it's really hard to Well, but if you do the study on your product, you can say that.

Yeah, exactly. And, and so, right, I understand that. And we're not claiming to cure anything. All we're trying to do is improve people's metabolism and shake the rust off their mitochondria, their oxidative stress, and, and maybe patch some holes in their leaky mitochondria, you know, because our exposome of the modern world is basically causing our mitochondria to leak and to rust. And we need to be able to stop that. Okay. And how about the energies that we're going to be exposed to with 5G and whatnot? No one really talks about it. That's oxidative stress. That's the mitochondrial theory of aging. That's the electrons going the wrong way and frying the naked mitochondria in, in the cytoplasm. So, you know, we're very good for that too, actually. It's—

yeah, it could prevent that because, yeah, what they're finding with the EMFs, and I started doing research and I couldn't believe the research on the harmful effects. And, you know, it increases IL-6, it causes the voltage-gated calcium channels to open up, which are associated with neurodegenerative diseases, autism, migraines, POTS, chronic fatigue syndrome. And if, if you happen to have a genetic defect also, where it's not really a defect but a SNP, where it's just, it's not quite perfect, that you may be okay until you get a physiologic stress, uh, until you get some trauma or stress or something else, and our EMFs, and then now your voltage gate starts letting all this calcium in. Or palpitations, huge, you know, in the heart. And that's— you'll find a lot of our patients understand is that, you know, they get palpitations all the time, and I tell them, turn off your EMF, you know, your, your Wi-Fi, or especially at night, and they're, oh my God, my palpitations are so much better, you know.

Right. I mean, let's say you're a mold patient, okay? I mean, mold grows 600 times faster in a Wi-Fi environment.

Yes, yes, right.

And so that's the chronic inflammation. You reach a tipping point and it becomes a real problem, and it's a modern problem, but we, we believe we have solutions. I mean, we keep the mitochondria pH in, in at a good level because carnosine represents one-third of the buffering capacity of your body. We crank up the function of the electron transport chain. Uh, we of course would then produce more ATP. And finally, we keep the pores that we're learning more about thanks to the different types of cryo-electron microscopy and the different advanced microscopic techniques that we have. We keep the pores intact and we prevent the mitochondria from swelling as well. So, and we're very good with those voltage-gated calcium channels. So it's easy to talk about Carnosine Extra, frankly, it's just that, uh, you risk sounding like a snake oil salesman because you're so upstream with the mitochondria.

Yeah.

And we have the same thing when I talk about BPC-157, it's like, what helps this helps that. Everyone's like, yeah, it's like snake oil.

Why?

How could it help everything? You know? Because it's like, it's, it's like the carnitine, it's helping every cell and every system, you know, that's, that's amazing. Now carnitine versus carnitine, right? So it's carnitine, right?

So carnitine, you know, it has the same prefix, so it comes from meat, but that helps with beta oxidation of fatty acids. So we actually do have a little bit of carnitine in our product too. Uh, I failed to mention that. So let's talk about fat burning. So we know with our HRV, our Advanced HRV device that you need to have normal power, you need to have a normal percentage of very low frequency energy in order to participate in beta oxidation. So you can use a wearable device or a breathable device in this instance, or you can have an Advanced HRV done at an office, or you could have something done in your own home nowadays because our bandwidth is 2000 Hz, but the device that we recommend is 500 Hz and I have a nice dashboard set up. I've been very, very impressed. And as much as people want to talk about insulin resistance and glycation, actually, I would say that mitochondrial dysfunction occurs before even insulin resistance occurs. So you're kind of leapfrogging, okay? Instead of just looking for glucose floating around and having attached to your hemoglobin, or even, say, are we discovering insulin resistance? I think if you can discover mitochondrial dysfunction, you're a step ahead.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the drugs out, and you look at drugs like, you know, the, you know, basically, you know, basically poison the kidneys, so they just dump sugar into the urine. Like, is that fixing anything, you know? Yeah, it's going to lower your sugar, but you're not, you're not fixing the problem at all, you know. So that's, that's great. So, and you have a number of products in the pipeline you're working on. It sounds like you're kind of Right, just constantly doing research and developing.

And yes, we have a big product that's going to be coming underneath our distribution, and it's called Cregotine, and it's, uh, probably going to change the face of creatine as we know it. We have a 3-country, 6-month study that started last month on sarcopenia and frailty. And these bioenergetics, these supplements, really not just help muscle as a fitness supplement, but they also really help the brain. And because you're putting a precursor of the creatine in it, the bioenergetics are just massive. So you don't have non-responders anymore, you don't have the water weight that you want, it's much more effective overall, the dose can be lower. So we have a lot of IP attached to our products, and this particular one is a study by Dr. Ostrzycki, who's, who's very well known in the creatine world and in the bioenergetics world. And so we're very happy to have him, and we're very excited about that product. And we believe the carnosine with the Cregotine is going to be through the roof, helping people in ways that's— that's—

you mentioned frailty, and it's, it's a killer, you know. And people get older and they really die of being frail, you know. They'll end up dying of whatever, heart failure, you know, they break a hip, and then they, you know, bedbound, and they're— then they get pneumonia. So, but that's the big thing is keep from becoming frail, and You know, basically you just have, you know, the way standard medicine is. Yeah, we might live longer, but it's terrible quality of life. But if you prevent those things, then, you know, you have a great quality of life for much longer. And, and that's the key. Who wants to be in nursing home and, you know, with dementia and, you know, basically in and out. So that's, that's amazing stuff. So how is your carnosine different?

Than let's say what we—

you get at health food store or whatever.

So we know compared to pure L-carnosine and L-carnosine that our, our product is not broken down by carnosinase. That is the main enzyme that breaks down carnosine, and so it breaks down into beta alanine and L-histidine. So if you don't do that, and you can prove pharmacokinetic studies and UV spectroscopy and intracellular concentrations to show that the other products are not like our product. But the only thing I can tell you about our secret sauce is that it's a proprietary manufacturing technology.

Does it have to do with isomers?

So I don't think so, and it's not just raw material production with the ingredients like a chef. I, I, and it's not liposomal. It's way better than liposomal. But, uh, you know, I just honestly, I don't even know myself. I just look at the studies and I see the effects Yeah.

I see it.

Where's your results?

So, no, because yeah, we did so much research on peptides and, you know, bioavailability and breaking down. And there's, it's interesting. There's a lot of ways to do it, but trying to really do it is a lot harder than, you know, they say in the research, it's like, you know, and you have to, you have to get, you know, basically contract people to do it. And, you know, So it's tough and it gets expensive. So, but it sounds like you have something that, that's really, really different and effective. Right.

So let's see, what's the heart rate variability like? So what, what are you doing with that? And again, like how, what, what does that really show a doctor or a patient?

So right now a lot of professional athletes are using heart rate variability to see what the readiness is, what the recovery is, and you know, even the Oura Ring, those kinds of devices are very low bandwidth and they work by the photoplethysmography, the infrared light. And they tend to be 150 to 250 Hz. Our device is 2000 Hz and it's just hooked up to a laptop and you just have some electrodes that you put on 4 limbs and you just sit there for 5 minutes. But because it's so high bandwidth, when you're studying the— for those of you who are unfamiliar, the R to R waves of the EKG lead, actually 12,000 bits per second that get compressed into 2,000. You put it in some Fourier transformations and you apply it to a 70-year-old age and gender match database. You get an incredible one-page report that kind of tells you what your bioenergetics are. So it tells you your total power, it tells you how much of that power is being distributed in parasympathetic versus sympathetic versus what's called very low frequency. And that would be higher order functions like cerebral communications, hormones, immune function, things of that nature. Our particular high bandwidth device measures a stress index, okay? So that's your oxidative stress index, the oxidative free radical theory of aging, right? So that's your mitochondrial exhaust, that's, that's your mitochondrial leakiness, okay? So it measures the stress index and it also measures something called your index of centralization, which is your hypothalamus, your master conductor. So we see some patterns that are fairly common in today's world, and we could talk about it for hours, but most people are stressed out low power, brain on fire, hypothalamus way on fire, very sympathetic dominant. Okay.

Oh yeah, yeah.

A lot of our younger people— I'm talking about in their 20s— they are burned out, you know. They don't have any hypothalamic function. They're very low power, and they can't even mount the stress response. And I think it's very sad, you know. I, I believe it to be a very important non-invasive biomarker, maybe the most important that I've seen You get a lot of information. I mean, if you could measure energy from galaxies away, why would it be so hard for us to be able to measure energy that our own body is emitting to give us information? Why don't you examine it?

For the layperson, like, so what is heart rate variability usually used for? And it's amazing that the information you're able to derive from your device.

So usually it would be, is your parasympathetic balanced to your sympathetic? And that would be, are you ready? Okay. Let's say you work out and you are not so recovered. You will show that when you wake up in the morning and they actually have HRV scores that are attached to these devices that are more commercially available. Ours is more like a scientific research device, but the kind of data I'm getting from my patients are more what's out there. You know, we have a world champion that, that just was on our Carnosine Extra. He won the world trial championship, 6 hours cycling, 50-year-old. He did 100, almost 140 miles, and he said he didn't have any lactic acidosis or anything. So we follow his HRV.

Wow.

So it's very common. Yeah, I mean, we don't have that many athletes. We tend to stick with the sick people, but certainly it's good for fitness and anti-aging. So So it's more in the fitness world is what you would hear about. Are you recovered? Are you not recovered? A lot of athletes end up being overtrained and that's what you see out there now.

See more and more of that. Now I make sure I'm not overtraining and I work out religiously every 4 months for 8 minutes, but, uh, worried about overtraining. So, you know, rain or shine, I'm doing it. But yeah, we get, you know, these people that are you know, tip-top shape, or you look at, you know, uh, determine their like DNA age or cellular age, and they're older than average, you know, and but they look great and all this stuff. And you mentioned stress too. It's like, I'm thinking like growing up, like, you know, the stress of growing up, everyone, you know, kind of a pecking order where you think you are and all this, where now it's like— and we would, you know, we'd have computers, you'd send a letter, wait a week, and, you know Now it's like everything's instantaneous and there's traffic and Facebook and you gotta have so many likes to be, you know, popular. And it's just overload, you know.

Yeah, there, there's always papers coming out about Carnosine X. Or there is one that just came out a couple months ago that said that when you're on it, it gives you a better demeanor. And that's the first thing you notice.

Hey, I'm gonna get some.

It's out of my pocket for people who are nasty here. Take some.

Yeah, yeah, it taught me non-native EMFs are a big deal, right? That's, uh, you know, um, when you're EMF'd, you have a billion-fold increase in peroxynitrite, which is a non-oxidant radical, but it breaks down into the hydroxyl radical and into the nitric oxide. Super potent species. Yeah, yeah, so that's bad. So we can fight that because we have really good antioxidant potential. And like I said, it's a very good heavy metal chelator that crosses the blood-brain barrier. It actually cuts down on IL-8. Yes, it inhibits glycation, and it's like a Pac-Man. It gets rid of those rogue electrons. It gets rid of carbonyl groups and aldehyde groups. If you have proteins that have things attached to it, it removes whatever's attached to it, like a glycated protein, like an advanced glycated end product.

And that's another theory of aging, you know.

Yeah. So it's—

yeah, yeah.

So it seems to hit so many areas.

That's it. That's what I'm saying. So it's not just mitochondria, it's just that it's so pleiotropic. Prophetic. What's good for the mitochondria is good for the cell. What's good for the cell is good for the tissue. What's good for the tissue is good for the organ. What's good for the organ is good for the human, right? So, and if what's good for the cell, it's going to be good for the mitochondria. If it's one-third of the buffering capacity of your cell, it's going to be good to buffer your mitochondria too.

Yeah. All, all that.

And if it's a brain growth factor, you know, and if it reduces IL-8 and it helps with calcium. So we're very happy to have it. And, you know, we see a lot of—

Forget it. It does too many things. I don't believe it.

Yeah, I know. I know. We, we, well, we, we concentrate on neurodegenerative side, but the other pattern that we see with our HRV with the young children, it's very close to my heart. I really do, you know, I think it's a shame that, you know, 7.5% and even greater of all American children are born with some kind of developmental disorder. I think that's just a crime. So we can help with that. And a lot of times we see big changes in the VLF with our HRV. And, you know, we're not claiming to cure anything. We're just trying to improve outcomes and help people overcome their challenges and just using their biofeedback data and just some food to help them. But we have lots of cases all over the world.

That's nice. Cause you know, like these, you know, parents of autistic kids, I mean, it is so difficult.

Then their stress is just like crazy, you know?

Right. Yep.

Yeah, but yeah, did I mention— so I did a review article on thyroid transport and, you know, saying that anyone with chronic illness really is low thyroid. And here's just a page in it. And so with references, like, every— you know, these are not every condition, but conditions that have mitochondrial— documented mitochondrial dysfunction. Includes diabetes, obesity, chronic and acute dieting, depression, anxiety, bipolar, neurodegenerative diseases, age— just the fact aging— chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, people with migraines, chronic infection, physiologic stress and anxiety, cardiovascular disease, inflammation and chronic illness, high cholesterol, high triglycerides. And talk about the standard blood tests look normal, but It's all because thyroid is transported in the cell, the active transport, which needs mitochondrial function. But so all these people are low mitochondria. And so, you know, you say all the problems— another problem is they're all basically have cellular hypothyroidism. The thyroid's low in the cell, which makes the mitochondria worse, and then the thyroid can't get in into the blood, into the cell more. Yeah, so Everything's a vicious cycle.

Yeah, they're low voltage, right? Chronic inflammation taps your voltage. There's over 2,300 studies on carnosine. We encourage people to go to carnopedia.com with the K, K-A-R-N-O-P-E-D-I-A. We have it listed by all of those different things. Those are all approved PubMed type of research articles that are already out there. It's just that ours is so much more potent than any other, and that's what makes ours so special. Everything's chronic inflammation. Okay. That's the concept. And it robs you of your voltage. And frankly, let's go to the next step.

And then it causes more inflammation because mitochondria are messed up.

Of course. The only reason we breathe oxygen is to give it to our mitochondria. There's really literally no other reason. We need a final electron acceptor to make our structured water and to have the ATP then be produced. Or how about this? Sometimes your mitochondria need to be rescued. Not to produce more ATP, but to go away, like you were talking about before. Cell danger response, mitophagy, apoptosis. We— you guys talk about it a lot in your peptide world. So we did an MCF7 cell culture study, human metastatic breast cancer, and we know that in those cells, it's, you know, it's in vitro. We can shut down complex 2 and complex 4, and we've measured it with our Carnosine Extra. So Sometimes in order for you to be rescued, your mitochondria need to go away.

Yeah, yeah.

So the cells that they hang around, they don't have enough energy to die, and they're programmed to die, you know, and then move on and you get healthier cells. You know, they start getting dysfunctional, but when they don't go through apoptosis as they're supposed to, i.e., die because they don't have enough energy, then that's when they turn into cancer. They cause all the, you know, basically increase inflammation and all these problems. So you give them the energy to do what they're supposed to do, which is to go away, right?

If you talk about the Warburg type of metabolism, the so-called aerobic, aerobic glycolysis, that's a runaway train. It's just the machinery that your cancer cell— and I believe cancer is a metabolic disease. I don't think I'll never not believe that. And so if, if you're just making to make and it's not even energetically feasible, you're not subject to any signaling molecules. So you need to wake up those mitochondria, say, hey, wait a minute, I didn't pay attention to all those signaling markers that tell me to stop. Oh, I have to go away now.

Yeah, and when you said that, it reminds me of— I'm picturing a graph from a study on chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia or both that they basically exercised, and where they went into anaerobic metabolism was so much earlier than normals. You know, it's their mitochondria just couldn't keep up And so they went from, you know, basically burning fats to having to burn the emergency glucose very quickly. And I just, it makes me also think of, you know, I've sent reports showing that and the disability people go, you can pick up 3 pounds. Okay. You can work, you know, and it's just, it's crazy. But, you know, and I just love your background and your passion for all these medical devices. So What types of things are you, are you doing in that arena?

So we're trying to build a software-based platform so that patients can maybe spend $600 and get 2 or 3 devices. We can measure their mitochondrial voltage with, with that 500 Hz CoreSense Elite HRV is the name of the device. And you can also get an oxygen monitoring device that we believe through a pretty major company, Maximo, It's called the Oxygen Reserve Index, and we're pretty sure— we've looked at the advanced physiology— that it probably represents mitochondrial partial pressure of oxygen. So that's the oxygen. Okay. And finally, we have this device called Lumen that just came out that— I don't like sticking my finger. Okay. So you blow into it. It's breathable. It has an advanced CO2 acoustic gas analyzer that shows you how much CO2 you're emitting. And I've looked at the studies very carefully. and I've matched it with the Keto Mojo. And I don't like sticking my finger, and it tells you whether you're burning fat or carbs. So if you put those 3 together, now you're measuring mitochondrial voltage, oxygen, and fuel levels. Okay. And if you stack, let's say, ketogenic lifestyle with our Carnosine Extra and some of our other products, and perhaps you go in my bespoke hyperbaric chamber, I think you, and you do some electroceuticals like Scalar Energy electroceuticals. I have a lot of devices.

I have a lot. I have not heard that term.

I love it.

Right, so electroceutical stack, mitonutrient stack, ketogenic stack, you know, those are the kind of things with ability to measure the results so that if you want to prove it, hey, you know, we can prove it, you know, are you listening, right? We can prove it, but are you listening? So I think to get doctors to be more open to this kind of thing, to get them to leave their silo, is also part of the messaging we're trying to come across.

And I, you know, I'm going to give you a call because moratorium on my buying toys is, is my, uh, accountants. I was like buying stuff and they would never come. I'm getting mad they didn't tell me they canceled everything. They're like, you're buying too many, too many things, you know.

I have a lot. I have a lot to myself. I, I don't mind. I like it. I enjoy it.

Yeah, and it sounds like they're reasonably priced, you know.

Right.

So I, I do worry about you for one reason. You're bringing out these devices that are very cost effective you're going to piss some people off. And so you better have like a security guard. You may end up, you may end up in a weird, oh, strange death, you know? So watch out for that.

No, I, we do watch out for it. It's, I think we are in the age of disruption and we also need good solutions that are very cost-effective. I mean, you know, for our MS patients, you, you could be treated for a full year, all different stages. For around $2,000 for a year. Okay. And get results.

And those meds, you know, cost that per month, right?

$10,000 an injection. Right. So we know that, you know, we know we're just trying to improve outcomes. We know that we can help overcome challenges and it has to be affordable. It has to be accessible. It has to be measurable.

Um, and you know what, I, I don't see Apple and these other things saying that in a board meeting, it has to be affordable, you know.

Right now they're busy trying to— they're trying to steal your health data right now, frankly, right? We want to give it back to you and give you solutions at the same time.

They have a different model. Yeah, they want your information. That's interesting. Yeah, so what wearables do you have or, uh, coming up with?

It would be the Lumen, it would be the CoreSense Elite HRV, and it would be the Maximo SafetyNet, the latest This version that they have in the EU, those are the three. But frankly, you can have regular pulse ox, right? Because even your post— your O2 sat will go up with the kind of therapy that we're presenting if you have that kind of problem.

And are those more red available?

Yeah, they're out there. We— I'm not a medical device— I'm a medical device geek, but I'm not in the medical device business. I like to look at the tools and figure out which tools make sense and maybe put a dashboard together so I could talk to my patients in a HIPAA-compliant environment, uh, basically just flat old biofeedback. My, my title is the Chief Metabolism Officer at Mitochondrial Rescue. So we just want to just improve.

Oh, so these aren't your devices?

No, no, I, I, I helped develop some of the devices I use for my sinus ventilation procedures. But, you know, I'm trying to move into the mitochondrial medicine world right now. So we're not— I see that the device world is tough because every few months something comes out that's like, oh my gosh, Yeah, that's what I was looking for, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just hired a person who's expert in getting medical devices through the FDA and just kind of help us in the peptide space because we're spending so much money on FDA attorneys and, you know, all this stuff to get these out. And it really pisses me off. People just throw— say, oh, someone else doing something, we're doing something, you know. You have to do so many things, and we're talking to the FDA all the time. That we also had to hire the— who was head, regional head of FDA supplement enforcement. And, um, he basically said he would go into doctor's offices with his Glock pulled and a flak jacket on, and for like B12 that they heard was like illegal. I'm like, you are a dick. And I'm like, excuse me, buddy. He's like, he goes, yeah, I loved it. And I'm like, yeah, but now he's our dick. But yeah, so he's always talking to the FDA and saying, hey, what do you think of this? And you know, we're This is— there are some weird loopholes, but you got to do so much testing. And so everything we do is just over-tested.

And, you know, well, you know, you just— we're just improving metabolism. We're just using biofeedback devices to, to, to help you maybe overcome challenges. That's all we're really doing. If people have happened to make big gains, we are not making any drug use claims at all. I would never say that we are, but we do have research that we can, can talk about.

I'd love to, yeah, get you know, take a look at all that stuff. It sounds like very cool.

Yeah.

So let's say for training, tell me about the training program.

The training program is all online. It's all complimentary. And we have 3 different levels. You can just watch a couple introductory videos and open up a practitioner account, or you can take our didactic course, which is all about mitochondrial medicine. It was meant to be a weekend course, and you can become certified that way. And if you want to go full on, you can become an advanced HRV practitioner and it's not expensive. It's $800 down, it's $100 a month and we mail you the device preloaded on a PC and we get on TeamViewer with you and we have lots of videos to watch and we just train you over TeamViewer. We have a nice dropship portal that you can order, you know, order product on your own. And for the telemedicine, I think it's about 6 months away. We're working on the software and what we want to do is we want to set up a Loyal Rescue Program and a Loyal Royal Rescue Program. So that if patients want to buy maybe the stable of their mitochondrial, um, um, devices, and maybe they'll get a discount on, on the products, okay? Or maybe they'll earn points toward getting the next device. Or maybe if you group together as a group and we look at all your dashboards and say, hey, you guys did great as a group, you really improved this parameter, that probably really includes your metabolism, you qualify for, for more discounts. And perhaps you can even go down on the supplements because that's what we find. People get so healthy they don't need the same dose that they needed when they're molded out and chronic fatigue.

Yeah, the goal is not to be on more and more supplements, right?

No, we need it, but then you can get off it. But the thing is, what's interesting is— Well, you can, you can like look at them and say, well, maybe you need a little extra today. What's going on? Where were you? Right? And then you could say, well, then they learn how to dose it according to what's going on. Maybe they're taking an international trip. Maybe they have a big, you know, athletic championship or something. So it's much more catered, but the goal is to have it be cheaper and cheaper for them as they get better and better. And as they get more into your community, uh, to improve their metabolism, right. And to reduce the chronic inflammation.

Who doesn't want that for so many reasons? And so where do people, where would a doctor go to get more information? Where would a patient go?

Right. So we're practitioner-based right now. So the best way to reach us is through mitochondriorescue.com, or you can just contact me directly, Dr. Raja, drraja@mitochondriorescue.com. Or you're in trouble now if you're, if you're on, if you're on Telegram, Mitodoc on Telegram.

Um, so I don't even know what Telegram is.

Yeah, it's a, it's an encrypted kind of WhatsApp to, to get away from people watching us so much and using our information.

So that's getting bad. We could talk about that forever.

Yeah, right. So I mean, and they had the username Nitodoc, so I just grabbed it and I'm just gonna use that one because I love it. Uh, but, uh, you know, can I drop a URL on this, on this talk so people can just, uh, click on it?

Absolutely. Well, in fact, I wanted to put like your website and the URL while you're speaking. On the bottom. So let me talk to our— yeah, we should be talking about this offline, but, uh, yeah, well, we'll do whatever, whatever we can.

I have a— I could send you a URL in a minute so people can just click and get all my information with all the research and all the information about becoming a practitioner.

I love it. You're just so into just helping everyone, you know, and just—

that's why we're all here, isn't it?

Yeah, no, it's true. It's refreshing, you know.

I love it.

And, um, and so if you— when we talked earlier, you talked about the MitoProfile, MitoServe, MitoDecay. Can you go into a little more detail about those? Because those—

right, so, so the way your mitochondria are, are different than mine. Okay, let's say someone's really toxic and you're giving them a lot of treatment. Well, they're probably going to be very low power, and how you would dose them would be different because their mito reserve is very, very low. And maybe you raise them too high and all of their toxins get excreted and they have a really big problem. So that mito profile is different than someone who's a professional athlete who burns fat really well, like our world champion Anthony Parcells. He doesn't even need to carbo-load, okay? I mean, all this whole thing, he doesn't. He's just, you know, he's an elite mitochondrial, mitochondrial person.

He never gets there.

He never— well, he has the most elite mitochondria in the world. So we can figure out with all of these devices and with our advanced stuff that we have in our office and with the work I'm doing in hyperbaric medicine, which is very exciting by the way, we can figure out what your mito profile means, how much can we charge your mitochondria and how long does it take for it to drop in voltage. Okay, and so that's your decay rate and that's your reserve. And the goal is to raise your reserve and slow down your decay.

Okay.

And if we can do that just by using biofeedback and by improving your metabolism and getting you to burn fat and, you know, um, really just improving your lifestyle through a community where, where you're giving back, if they do better, um, I think it's going to be really amazing. But if you're, let's say, an Alzheimer's patient, okay, your MitoProfile is going to be much different and how we treat you is going to be much, much different and you might need a higher dose. Okay, and if we can figure out what's going on with you, and if you don't hold a charge very well, like your smartphone battery, again, so we might need to dose even 3 times a day, or maybe we need to add an electroceutical stack, or maybe you need some hyperbaric treatment, or maybe you need to go into therapeutic ketosis. So those are all parts of the MitoProfile and, and MitoDecay rates. So it's stacked mito stacks on top of really different types of data streams, okay? And, and because we're living in the information age, it doesn't always have to be bad, you know. It can be inexpensive and it can be good.

Yeah, and it seems like, you know, if everyone's stressed out, like, you're always in fight or flight, you never get into that beta oxidation burning phase. You're so easy, you know, burning glucose and just— that's amazing, you know. I thought I knew a lot about mitochondria. You're— you are the mitochondria geek.

They do amazing things. They even make nanotubules and make little tunnels and crawl through and go from one cell to the other. Or if you have, I think it's Parkinson's, they fold up into a donut and they get extruded to get like kicked out of the cell. Okay.

Mitochondria do?

Yes. They literally get kicked out. Okay. And the, we're living in the world, you know, the microcosm is really the macrocosm and when you're talking about being stressed out, you can have all the fanciest instruments in the world, but I think it's important to have a good gratitude practice. You want to call it spiritual, however you want to call it. I think, I think it's very important because to raise your parasympathetic reserve is not as easy as you might think, even with all these Mitostax and all these Mitopex.

It's like, stop being stressed, you know?

Yeah. So, but a gratitude practice I think helps the most and breathing practices. So, you know, we, we, we believe in all that too. So We, we feel that the mission statement of our company is where spirit meets technology. So I know we spent a lot of time talking about technology, but we're also very much on that side as well.

I love it because, you know, you know, I had chronic Lyme, Babesia, Bartonella.

I mean, couldn't get out of bed, went into heart failure.

You did?

Oh yeah, I could not like stand up. I could not walk up the— walk upstairs, take me hours. The cardiologist said, you may be able to get 10% better in 10 years.

And, and I'm like, oh my God, I can't live like this.

And I'm like, I prayed to God. I'm kind of an atheist, but I'm sure God's a woman because she hates me. But I said, just take everything, take everything, just please help me get better. And so she held her part of the bargain. She did take everything because I got divorced and my ex got Gloria Allred and woman on cover of Power Woman Attorney magazine. And I was sick and just like, okay, so, but it's worth it when you don't have your health. It doesn't matter how much money you have. Like it's, it's, it's nuts. And so it did make me much more grateful. And I think much more empathetic. And because when someone with like Lyme, you cannot explain how bad you feel to anyone, no one will get it. They just go, "Oh yeah, I'm tired too." You're like, "Ugh, you know, I want to kill you." But it's so true. You don't know until you lose something, you know? And to be grateful, you go on a bad day, I got a parking ticket, I'm pissed off.

Like, dude, that's nothing, you know? And it's like, I like to watch a military channel. Like, it's like, you know, they're in their foxholes, the mud, they haven't slept. Like, okay, that's a bad day, you know? Pissed off because I have to do some PowerPoint or something, you know? And it's, yeah. And I think people with gratitude, they're just so much happier, you know?

Yeah. And you know, when it comes to chronic fatigue, I read Dr. Myhill's book, It's Not Hypochondria, It's Your Mitochondria. And, you know, it really, I realized that they can't move. Every molecule of ATP is made just for them to sit and breed and do what they do. But that doesn't mean it's all over because we are born with the inherent ability to self-heal. Okay, that is definitely true. You know, I'm a domain collector, that happens to be one of my domains, selfheal.com. And I figured that, well, what happens if you did self-heal? So a couple months later, I bought selfhealed.com. But that's, that's another story. So I do think we have the ability to self-heal, even if you're like that. I have a wounded healer story myself. We all do. That's kind of like why we're doing that.

That's most people that get into this. Yeah, I was a standard physician. I was told anything alternative, it means no evidence. And I snuck off to some of these conferences and then went, oh my God, this is more evidence-based than what they're teaching me. You know, it's— yeah, it's crazy. And, you know, these people get treated so poorly. If a doctor can't treat it, it doesn't exist. And it's the patient's fault. And well, patients cry just the first visit. They're like, you believe me? I'm like, yes. And I'll show you on paper you're sick. And they just start crying because no one believes me. And they're just treated— it drives me crazy. I mean, there's always exceptions, but on average, you know, I say it's a bunch of doctors, but actually doctors are watching this, they're not like it. Doctors seem to be the most unempathetic people. And just, just treat them. So that—

I—

well, one, one case, she was in the ICU and the doctor was saying it was psychological.

You know, I, I mean, this is— these are conversations that you wouldn't have unless you were integrative, you know. And, and I feel like I can tell this adage because everyone in my family is a doctor, literally. My sisters, my in-laws, my wife, you know, uncles, everybody. You know what they say is you go to medical school and you kind of forget half of what you learn. The problem is you don't know which half, right?

And we also found that the less a doctor knows, the more adamant they're right.

Interesting.

You know, it's like, 'No, it doesn't work.' 'Well, have you ever looked? There's no studies on that.' 'Well, I'm sure there isn't if you don't look,' you know. But doctors are put— general standard doctors are put in a difficult spot because They can't, like, it's so rare. Like you send a patient back who's been with a doctor, they love their doctor, great relationship. They've been sick for a long time. They come in, they get better. They were like so happy to tell their doctor. They think doctors should be happy and they're pissed. And they're like, I'm not going to treat you if you go back to that doctor. Like what? You know, and it's, it's weird, but also they can't do some of the things. And one doctor called once, what'd you do? Which is really rare. And I started talking, it's like silence, like, what's wrong? Because that takes 20 minutes. He goes, I don't have 20 minutes, I have 10 minutes. Um, you know, so they're put in a bad position.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm happy to have, you know, I've been a doctor for 30 years now, so I feel like I could be a doctor for another 30 actually, because it is anti-aging at the end of the day. So if you have good metabolism, you're aging the right way.

Yeah. But see, you got out of that system and doctors are miserable. Yeah, if you go to CERMO, I don't know if you've been on that, it's like miserable doctors trying to— they don't think they have a way out. And I used to post and say, learn something really well, you know, and get out of the insurance model. And they just don't think— like, oh, that's quackery, you know. But anyways, um, yeah, so that, that's awesome. You just set up your passion for this is just taking you so far. And so you mentioned also your chief metabolism officer. I really liked that. Evolution Hyperbaric Institute. Uh, so tell me about the hyperbarics. You have hyperbaric in your office, a hard, hard chamber.

It's a hard shell. We're going to be, we're going to be manufacturing our own everything, but right now we retrofit our, we have 3 patents on our gas management software platform. And we have different pressure titrations and it's really pretty amazing because we have all these mito diagnostics hooked up to it and we do all these electroceuticals and we see what happens when drop the pressure and raise the pressure.

And we're like a stress test for your mitochondria.

Yeah, for, for, for different, for different decimal points. And my, my founder, my inventor, he brought Nitrox to the world. If you're scuba divers, so he changed scuba diving with enriched air mixtures forever, and he held the patents for that. And he's been in the compressed gas business for over 40 years. His name is William Delp III. And before that, he was in alternative energy. In fact, he developed hydroelectric systems 45 years ago when he was in his mid-20s. And one of them just came out to bid on the island of Kauai, and it was dubbed as one of the most advanced energy projects in the world. And it was the same people he worked with and designed 45 years ago. So we're trying to do that for hyperbarics, and we're trying to concentrate on just neurodegeneration. That's it. That's really what— because that's what we need. That's the big epidemic. So yeah, when you stack it with our, our myopeptides, our mitonutrients, and you know, I like, I like hydrogen, I, I like magnesium, I like vitamin D, I like fulvic acid.

I'm—

it's not all about my product line. I like nitric oxide, right? But they tend to be more signaling molecules, small molecules that can do a lot, that are very nimble. And you know, cost is a factor for me, to tell you the truth, Kent, because I feel like, you know, you spend a lot of money on blood tests, you spend a lot of money on this idea, these chronic illnesses are so expensive for patients, you know? Right. So that's the thing. So that, that's the whole package. And super duper exciting, to tell you the truth, the hyperbaric work. Really, I just know we're on to something. I just can— it's just intuition is what I would say.

Yeah, that's— you get that gut gestalt feeling. And I was doing hyperbaric, and I'm like, I go in, I was so anxious, you know, with Lyme and the Bartonella, the herpes. I was like sitting in the car, like working up to it, and I get in there and get in the chamber. I'm like, just crank it up, you know, turn up more, more. And then so he does, and then he leaves, and then I start going, oh my God, I'm having a panic attack, it's so high. And I'm like banging on the thing.

Really? Yeah, yeah, we're going to address all that right now. Right now we're retrofitting and we're—

that was my fault, I just told him to crank it up, you know. But you know, you get a little desperate, but Yeah, that's interesting. And we looked into doing that, but there, I don't know, at least in California, there's so many regulatory issues with, you know, because really hyperbarics are kind of like a bomb, you know, if you don't do it right.

Yeah, a lot of us with the humidity and the static electricity, we've solved all those problems. My partner's just like me, he's all solution-oriented. So we can take care of that. It's, we can do it.

Yeah, no, California, I mean, I know another doctor put one in, it cost him like $400,000 to put it in. So it's crazy, but yeah, I love them. I think, I think they're great.

We're trying to reduce the footprint and half the price, make the, make the footprint of a unit into a quarter and half the price.

And how many treatments do you think, and again, need is a relative term, but when do you start seeing benefit?

Right. So That depends on your mito profile, right? Because initially when you do hyperbarics, if you're really toxic, all of that oxygen is meant oxidizing your toxins. And once you're done oxidizing your toxins, then you re-energize. And after you re-energize, you release 800% more stem cells, okay? And what that would be for a Lyme patient might be different from someone who's an elite cyclist, okay? But we're finding that with the dashboards that we're getting is you don't necessarily are stuck doing 40 or 60 treatments. You might need to come in 3 times in a row and then come in twice a month after that. And we're following it with all these devices because obviously I use the same dashboard for both companies. So that's going to change as well, right? Because we're going to know exactly when we need to come in.

So you even can maybe predict when someone says, how many do you need? Instead of just giving a standard answer, everyone say, well, you have this profile, I think you're going to need X amount, right?

But the problem is that they're, they're usually the land of broken toys are the ones that end up after the doctors and the insurance companies have sort of done everything they possibly could. Then they'll say, okay, kick them down the road, send them to the hyperbaric. Those patients generally need more treatments, but for anti-aging, for metabolism, right, for your mitochondria, you know, it's a different ball game. You know, you, you, if you can be ketogenic, get a good hyperbaric stack, get a good micronutrient stack, get a good electroceutical stack, I think you could self-heal in a logarithmic way rather than just taking—

Is there any issue of increasing oxidative stress with the increased oxygen?

Right. So that's why we do the Carnosine Extra. It's a massive antioxidant potential and we do the dissolvable hydrogen tablets and then we measure it. So we kind of—

I like those.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We measure it. So we know, I mean, someone who's subject to a lot of toxins, we wouldn't bring the pressure as much. And we wouldn't do as long of a treatment. Okay, so this is— so it's very customizable with what we have there, and our carnitine is a big part of it. So with our carnitine, you can take an HRV measurement and then measure your HRV number like 2 hours later, it'll go up. And anyone who knows anything about HRV, it's not so easy to raise your number just by taking a couple pills.

So I'm very interested. So tell me, okay, I'm a patient, I come to you, what's kind of the process? What happens?

So now I base my practice out of the hyperbaric. So what we usually do is you come in and you're fasted for 2 hours and you don't have any caffeine, and we do the HRV on you. And obviously we take a history, we look at any blood work that you might have, but we would like to enroll you in what's called a HeartPrint program. We want to know your heart print, and that's basically 10 hyperbaric treatments where we give you some wearables that you go home with the second week. But the first week we hook you up to our own MitoDiagnostics that again measure fuel, oxygen, and voltage. Uh, and then we slowly introduce you to our technologies where we have different pressure titrations that release the oxygen massively once you drop the pressure and you're still in 100% oxygen environment. Cause remember you're compressed, all that oxygen is completely compressed in all of your fluid systems, your CSF, your lymphatics, your plasma. And once you drop the pressure and you're in the chamber, it gets released, okay, to go where it needs to go. And we, you know, part of the heart print is doing photobiomodulation before you get in the chamber and then doing post-electromagnetic field afterwards.

Okay, so what are you doing for photobiomodulation?

We just have a— I forget what it's called— the IMRS, IMRS system, just a mat, and we just lay people on it for 8-minute cycles and Right. And then we do, we do the Vielight for photobiomodulation. And then we use the Tennant Biomodulator for scalar energy. Once we get to know you, because after sessions, after 10 sessions, we know your heartprint. We know what you're all about. And then we come up with your mito profile. We can figure out what your mito reserve is. We figure out your— so that's like, you gotta give us 10 sessions and then we'll be able to tell you, well, this is how you responded. This is how we would go forward. You're good to go for this many. Go home with these wearables and just dump the data to me, you know, whatever you want. And we send you emails to, hey, did you give us the data? And then we'll set up a telemedicine consult to look at your data and say, hey, what's going on with you? Maybe you should up this or change this, or why don't you come in just for another—

I like it. And I remember the first time I saw Tennant speaking, you know, with this, you know, all voltage and looking at the whole body a different way. Yeah, damn it, now I have to learn a whole new way.

Oh, I love it, I love it.

It makes sense. And it's like, but it's like the body is voltage. And, and, but that's not what we're taught in medicine. And I'm like, damn it, I gotta freaking learn a whole new, you know, way of looking at things. And, but it's pretty amazing. And God, I want to go out to your program. So how long, like, with the hyperbarics, like, how long do people have to stay there? Let's say that people are traveling.

Yeah, so, right, so, uh, we, we are set up, we're 10 minutes from, from Palm Beach International. So if they could spend a couple, like, 10 days with us. We're open on weekends, maybe not so much Sunday. So you can basically like 10 in a row, 10 in a row, and then we can decide. I mean, if your ears can take it, but you know, I'm an ear doctor, so we can, we can figure that out. Sometimes we have to take a day off here and there, but, um, uh, it's usually sort of like 5 days. Uh, we like to do 3 in a row. Okay. And so you do 3 in a row, maybe 4 in a row, 3 in a row, because that tends to help.

Hey, I'm going to check this out.

You should come. You should, you're in California, right? You should, you should come over. Be happy to sort of show you around. And I mean, I think, I think it's— I love hyperbaric. I've been doing it 3 times a week for over a year. And, you know, for me, I know that my mode of mito profile is if I'm not in it, if I'm out of it for 5 or 6 days, even though I'm doing all the other mitonutrient stacks, I'm not the same. Okay. And when I do it, I know the treatments that I'm getting are literally the most powerful hyperbaric treatments in the world with our technology. And so I do a little bit of free diving breathing. It's called stacking, actually. What's it called? Packing. Yeah. It's called packing. So you can actually take a really deep breath as it's pressurizing. This is very advanced and this is what the Navy SEAL divers do. And as the pressure is decompressing, you can feel your lungs expand. Okay. So you're actually increasing your vital capacity of your lungs just from the depressurization.

And as people get older and sicker, like, you know, they got to try to blow on those things.

Yes. And then the oxygen just explodes into your system and it feels like, like from the college days, it feels like a whippet. Literally feels like a nitro kit.

Okay, I'm in.

Yeah. And then you go on the PEMF because oxygen is paramagnetic and the oxygen that you have in your body will go right to where it needs to. And with the hyperbaric, it's very easy to figure out what your mito decay rate is with our advanced Mitoxygen device.

I'm going to definitely check this out. This is kind of very fun.

I should say, it's just, it's so, it's like really fun, you know, just to get to know people this way. And it's, uh, I'm very grateful actually to be able to be able to do this, to tell you the truth.

You don't remember names, it's like, wait, I know you're Mitochondria. It's kind of like, it's kind of like an OB, like, okay, wait, I don't remember your face.

That's funny.

Yeah, or a colorectal surgeon.

Oh my God. Remember, I covered more holes than anyone else in your nose and throat. So yeah.

Oh, I just, I just got my nose fixed. I broke, shattered it in 7 places at a—

Oh no.

We had a management meeting offsite and basically went out to dinner, had some drinks and we're on those electric scooters and just buzzing around all LA. And then my girlfriend says, go in the parking structure. And so it's safer. My accountant was coming down this way. I was going up. Blind curve, his head was down. Oh my gosh, just hit right here, exploded my nose.

Oh no, are you breathing? You're breathing okay?

It's better. Well, I got it fixed, and then with the first guy, it was worse. And I'm like, should I get a CT? He's like, no, just come in, we'll shave it down. When I get the CT and it's like, you missed a dislocation, you know. And so I went to actually the doctors from Botched, but it's the woman there very perfectionist. So at least it looks good.

I think it looks good.

How's it look?

Hey, yeah, I think it was really good actually.

Yeah, and I couldn't breathe before. Like, you know, after it was fixed and it actually— I started getting like terrible, um, periodontitis because like, you know, no moisture, no saliva. It's bad.

Yeah, that's why they do the mouth taping. And you know, nitric oxide is produced in the sinuses, right? And when you do the pranayama and you hum, okay, when you hum, it releases even more nitric oxide.

Really?

Yeah.

Well, I'm learning so damn much. I love it. I love it. And oh yeah, so you've talked about that world champion. So he just loves your product and has really helped him, right?

So he was on the Mitochondrial Rescue, the, you know, 3 out of the— actually 4 out of the 5 products. And normally you would hit that lactic acid buildup. You know, it was a 6-hour race. It was virtual, which was interesting because it, uh, because of the pandemic it wouldn't be. So he was on these rollers that you had to kind of balance on these rollers and he was looking at a TV screen. So he actually won a world championship from his own living room, which was kind of interesting. He didn't carbo-load, had some hydrogen, uh, he had some keto water. He had, we loaded him with the 4 carnosines and 2 complex Q10. We have like a rockin' Complex Q10. And 2 hours and 45 minutes in, so almost halfway in, which is normally when he would feel some lactic acidosis, we dosed him again with 4 of the carnosines and 2 of the Complex Q10s. And he did 140 miles. And afterwards he took our colostrum and our stimuno. We have a 4-hour grass-fed colostrum. We have a really good bioflavonoid stimuno. And he said that, you know, really about 20 minutes into after taking that second dose, he felt like his thighs were burning and then it went away. And of course he did a hyperbaric treatment a couple of days before his, uh, before his run too. And he said he would never, and he said he would never do another race without the rescue. And he's 50, 5-0. Okay. He was ranked before, but he really wasn't in competition for a couple of years and just recently got back into it.

Yeah. It's hard to compete.

I mean, it's good for everything, right? Anti-aging. And you know, so we tend to see more of the sicker patients because they need help. But it's really good for anti-aging. It's just hard to get people to believe, even. That's why we like people to have all the measurements, and you can even give them the measurements and they still won't believe it even after they improve.

So, and my doctor says that isn't true.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you just, you have to be ready for when they're ready, right? That's, that's all what's really all, all you can do, really. You just give them the tools.

And it's true, it's like, you know, people come up to, we had a party, it's a you know, so sick, I got this and that. And then you say, well, you should go check out my doctor. I don't have that.

Well, exactly, exactly.

It's like, how's that working for you? You know, it's funny. What, what is your thought on like PQQ, MitoQ?

Yep, I like it. I, I like PQQ, right? That's basically, uh, stardust, right? So, um, uh, I think it's very good for the electron transport chain. You know, aquinalone or quinone, you know, you can argue about that, but again, it's a pricing thing for me, you know, like I think our, our Complex Q10 is really, really potent. So I don't really think people need to spend that much extra more money. And even the MitoQ, I think they have great research, but I think a lot of the marketing costs get kind of baked into their cost of product.

Well, yeah, that's the thing. It's like, you know, and I think of like the insurance companies, this commercial after commercial, I'm like, I'm not going with them. They're spending so much on commercials. There's no way.

The way you look at it is that the Complex Q10, the MitoQ, the PPQQ, they regenerate— excuse me, they are power. They literally are power, but they're not necessarily regenerating power. Okay, and what we find is when we give the carnosine extra with our CoQ10 is once they start getting better, we cut down on their CoQ10 because their heart rate starts to go up. Okay, so you say, okay, well, you know, you don't really— yeah, and they have a little trouble sleeping if they're real sensitive. It's the Complex Q10. So that's what I'm saying. We're always kind of like balancing it. And so we tend to like— I take a lot when I'm healthier. I take less Complex Q10 actually, okay? Because I don't need it. It keeps me up. My heart rate's up. I, you know, I, I live pretty clean, you know. So that's the interesting comment I would say. But I like all of them. But how much does it cost? I'm always going to ask, right? You know, because I feel like ours is well priced.

And yeah. And do you like any of the mitochondrial peptides like MotC and 5-Amino-1MQ.

I'm not overly, you know, I can't tell you that I know. I mean, there's one called Poly-MVA that I looked into, and that was more of a liquid form. And I don't like injectables, right? I just, I just, I, you know, that whole bioidentical hormone stuff. Are those all bi— are those all injectables?

Well, yeah, those are peptides. But yeah, the Poly-MVA is basically a palladium with CoQ10. I, I liked it, but again, the cost was Yeah, it's much cheaper to do IV. When you do it oral, you have to take so much.

I mean, it's like, unless you have the right bioavailability. See, that's, that's, that's the thing, right? You know, so I don't know, we're getting good results. We're not really looking around. We consider ourselves to be a mitochondrial neuropeptide because we still count.

Hey, you're, you're, you're water. You don't worry about it.

What else? We, you know, it counts as a peptide just because it's blue ocean.

Blue Ocean.

Exactly.

Yeah, that, that's great. Yeah, this has been fabulous, and I'm gonna come out and see you.

I'd love to have you.

I just love to check all this out.

So you play golf? We could play some nice golf here too.

Well, I don't know if you call it—

I take a bucket of balls, and when I run out of balls, I—

it's like, I'll see you, I'm over there. But cool. Hey, I gotta get out of California anyways. This is This place is nuts. Yeah. So, okay. Where can we find out more information? And I think you've said already, but so we'll have the URL up, right?

You can, we'll have a URL, but you can reach me at the Dr. Raja, D-R-R-A-J-A, at mitochondrialrescue.com, or just go to our website and just go fill out a contact info and we'll get it. And we'll send you everything that you need to know. It's very easy process, whichever way you choose. If you're on Telegram, I'm Mito Doc on Telegram. Right now we're practitioner-based groups. So, you know, our website is very vanilla. For all the reasons that we talked about before. But if you call us as an interested practitioner, we can get you all the research, all the information you need.

So it sounds like you can really help doctors treat these tough patients if they're open to it, right?

You know, we've had a lot of fertility. I mean, it would be great for fertility, to tell you the truth. But again, you put on the snake oil salesman hat and, you know, it's just—

the doctors watching this are open to it.

I hope so.

I mean, that's, that's what that's for. That's why, yeah, you know, it is, you know, typically doctors, they're sounds great, but then they got to check with other doctors, like, you know, what do you think of this? What do you think? Um, it's, it's an interesting thing that, you know, doctor psychology and just human nature too, you know.

I mean, my doctor friends, I think I'm, you know, way out there, so, and maybe I am. I, I, you know, I, I think we're tip of the spear.

I think when you're like friends Say your way out there. That is a compliment.

I figured, I figured. But we were— I— we, we consider ourselves to be tip of the spear, is— and, and this world needs it. So that, that's what we think.

Yeah, that's like, you know, people ask, what do you do? I don't even know how to answer them, you know. It's like, what type of medicine? Anti-aging, what does that mean? It just sounds kind of, you know, integrative. I just say metabolic.

We're metabolic practitioners. Yeah, that's it.

Like, my answer now is I'm a quack. And then they start asking more questions. It's intriguing, I found out. But I just got tired of trying to explain it, and my girlfriend's like, you are the worst at explaining what you do. Like, you know, it's—

I don't know.

And we just— I just think we practice better medicine, you know. But you can't say that to especially a doctor, you know.

Oh no, no.

Yeah, like, you're not evidence-based. Then Quicksort, we had franchises. The first franchise was a hospital. And, and they actually, so we put it in, they were trying to do an anti-aging clinic, quote unquote, for like 10 years. They couldn't do it. So we, we went in and it just exploded and it was like the middle of nowhere. And all the doctors were so mad because like the endocrinologist got like so many calls, the reverse of the first week. And so they call me, you got to come out here. They say you're practicing medieval medicine. So I took it as a challenge and I said, I'm going to show them how we're evidence-based and they're not, which was a huge mistake because I went out there and there's a whole board, all the department heads, and I start going through it, showing how we're evidence-based, and it just made them madder. And then they go, you got to talk to the CEO. He's so mad. They're just going to kick you out. So I talked to him. He goes, listen, my wife has been so sick for 10 years. They've gone to every one of these damn specialists here, been 2 visits with your clinic, so much better. I'll take care of the doctors. I'm like, no, you won't. They won't give in, you know. I said, just say you're defunding and we'll call it something else, you know. And he goes, no, I can talk him into it. And then I heard they had a, um, a doctor's meeting, and the guy described it as like Frankenstein, where they had like pitchforks and, and And like, George is going, "Get them out." You know, it's like— and we were getting all these patients better, and they didn't want to hear it, you know. They're saying, "You're putting us down. You're saying you're better than us." Like, who's saying that? You know?

Ego, there it is. That's, you know, a bit— you know, anyway, I just— look, they're all trying, and things do need to change at some point. They, you know, germs used to kill us, and, you know, We concentrated a lot on nuclear genetics and people are studying mitochondrial more and, you know, big pharma, they like to study the mitochondrial DNA genetics. Maybe they should be studying the epigenetics, but really maybe they should just be studying voltage, you know, and cleaning up—

Yes, that's totally foreign to 99% of doctors.

It's so sensible. I could talk to a regular person about it and they're like, oh yeah, I get that, you know, they get it.

But yeah, when you're trained and, and we'll have like, we're hiring a doctor and doing interviews like, well, specialists, like, no, no, no, you're not gonna work.

Why?

You know, because you, you're, I gonna have to unlearn all this stuff you spent all this time learning because it's not great, you know. But it's, it's interesting. And I think now also doctors coming out, you know, it's like about you know, great test scores. And, and in general, they memorize, they're amazing at memorization, but they're not great at concepts. They can't extrapolate. And really funny story, but I won't take the time, but is that it's everything's algorithm, an algorithm. That's what they're made to do. Also, you know, in the hospitals, if you don't do exactly this, you're brought in front of the board, you know. There's—

I know, I do know.

Yeah, there's, there's no like, hey, let's look at some concepts and fix this, fix that. It's like, that's why anyone with a complex illness doesn't do well in standard medicine, because they go to, you know, the gastroenterologist fixes that part, neurologist fixes that part, you know, and they just don't get to the core of it.

But, uh, Preaching to the choir. I mean, I was a surgical specialist. I'm a reformed surgeon, you know. I mean, I still enjoy operating, but I enjoy mitochondria medicine a lot more, as I think the impact is much greater than just being able to help, you know, a couple hundred people a year, you know, 300, 400 people a year, right? So, and that's what we need because our exposure is oxidizing us, is essentially what's happening.

That's awesome. Hey, I'm just very impressed, and again, I want to come out and see you, and I think this is great information for doctors and patients. And it sounds like you've made a, you know, complex subject and, and, you know, problem very treatable and doable, um, and cost-effective. So I think my hat goes off to you. I think it's great. And thank you for coming on, taking the time and sharing your information. I think this was just fabulous. So thank you.

Thanks for the invitation. I look forward to seeing you hopefully in person.

Great.

You will. I'm going to come bug you. All right. Take care.

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