The Metabolic Code®: A Roadmap to Real Results

This is the metabolic code. This is the report. And, you know, we're gonna talk about the triads, but basically the, you know, the triads are how we're taking all that data and we're simplifying it into these biological systems. And this is very eloquently done. Patients love this. They show it to their neighbors and they, they go, look at this. And it's very, the green and the red and the yellow, but I want to tell you, there's so much on the back end of this in terms of algorithms and in terms of research. Everything on here is clinical-based.

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Hi, this is Dr. Kent Holtorf with another episode of the Peptide Summit. And today we are blessed to have Dr. Kelly Haldeman, and she's gonna talk about peptides to maximize the metabolic code. You'll find out it's very powerful and you're gonna find out some very cool, neat things in this next hour. Kelly, thank you for being on. I know you're jet setting all over the world and you're now in, I think, Dallas, you said. I am. Appreciate you taking the time out and you're lecturing there. So thank you. We are, you know, it's hard to get her and she agreed to be on our summit. So we're, we feel very privileged. So thank you.

Oh, I am honored, Dr. Holter. Thank you so much for having me. I've been a big, huge nerdy fan of yours for a really long time. So this is going to be super fun.

And thank you. The, uh, there's a little light that goes on when you lie. A little bit about Kelly. She makes me laugh. Just an awesome person and just, but also a nerd in knowledge. She has to know everything and she pretty much does. She completed her family practice medicine internship at the University of Minnesota. She has a naturopathic medical degree from the Kingdom College of Natural Health, where she is the current academic dean of students. Uh, we're saying she doesn't look like a dean to me, but she is. She holds certification in methylgenetic nutrition by the Nutrigenetic Research Institute and certification from the American Functional Neurology Institute in functional neurology and neurofeedback. She's an active member of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, president and founder of the American Association of Nutraceutical Formulators.

She is a—

for technical term— a badass formulator, and she does formulating for a lot of great companies that, and I noticed the kind of common theme with the, and I didn't know she was doing it for this, but like these people have some good stuff and really cutting edge stuff. So it's, it's really neat. And as well, she's a member of the American Medical Association and Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. She's also board certified in clinical nutrition by CNCB. Has certification in plant-based nutrition from Cornell and health coaching certification from the Institute of Integrative Nutrition. She coined the phrase 2.5, Phase 2.5 detoxification, which we'll, we'll talk about, which she proper— involves proper restoring biophysiology. And it's really interesting, and there's so many parts of detoxification that are so important that we just brush over, like bile, who cares about bile? Well, you're going to care about bile after this. Our body's built-in toxin transport system and success with novel nutraceutical products and clinical strategies support this new important phase of detoxification. She works as a consultant at Haldeman Wellness, LLC. Urges to include proper detoxification. She is a nerd. That's her, you know, her intro. Chronic Lyme, which she personally had. So, you know, we, I, we're going to talk about that because it's someone who hasn't had it just doesn't understand. And so she gets it. I'm telling you. And really she got better, of course, and use that to help people and which is awesome. And she was able to beat it as well as, you know, develop therapies from that. She teaches other doctors. She's so generous with her knowledge. She loves regenerative therapies, ozone, stem cell therapies, exosomes. Love those as well. We have, you know, so many tools in our toolbox. She also serves as a science advisor to both the Professional Health Products, HP, and Randall Optimal Nutrients. Wow, that's a lot. And also considering someone who had Lyme.

Very debilitating Lyme too. So I think that's a really good play.

Like, how, how the heck did you accomplish all this and have Lyme?

I mean, I'll tell you what, if you rewind back about 8 or 9 years, I was bedridden and to the point where someone would show me their phone number and I couldn't figure out what a 7 was. I mean, I couldn't read to my children. So I'll set the stage for you as practicing family prior medicine, really high level, you know, Ken, it's just, you know, go, go, go. And my diet was terrible and I just was really not treating my body very well. And I started to come down with neurological symptoms. I got migraines out of nowhere and foot drop and I'm like, what is going on? And I actually got diagnosed with MS. And I went to the best specialist, my colleagues. I got right into my colleagues, the best. Oh, you're going to get better, Kelly. You're going to get better. But all I got was a box full of pills and a pat on the back to go home to be with my children, which was basically a death sentence. And I'll tell you what, I—

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It's like people like, well, I'm— I gotta, I gotta play with the Mayo Clinic. I'm like, I'll see you in 3 months.

And it was not enough. I mean, you know, it was, it was not enough. And, you know, I climbed the ladder of success in medicine. I scored in the 99th percentile on my boards. I, I, there was nothing I didn't, didn't know. I, you know, there's nothing in that clinical tool toolbox of mine that I missed. But I was not given the right tools to get myself healthy. So I had to step away and I had to go get a naturopathic medical degree. And I learned about nutrition and detoxification and how our bodies inherently work. And I clawed my way out of that hole, which was really almost going to take my life. It really was. I was that sick. Yeah.

And you thought you feel like you are.

And for myself, I was ready. I didn't, was not scared of death. I was ready for it because I could not go on feeling like that.

It's awful. It's awful. I would describe people, people were like, well, what, you know, what's it feel like? And I'm like, it's fatiguing to breathe, just to, just to breathe. And I had two small children and my husband, you know, he was an anesthesiologist, never home. And was so stressful, but you know, I pulled up my bootstraps. My parents taught me, you know, you need to be resourceful and take things on, you know, and really heal thyself. And I did, but I had to step away from the tools that I was given. And it was one of the biggest blessings of my life to go from learning about diseased bodies to living in a diseased body. And you know that too, you know, Dr. Pointek.

I think one thing that kept me going is that I said one day this will help other people.

Right. Right. And that's why I think that's what—

I get choked up. I just, because you can't explain how bad it is. And, and people, and we were talking is that I think, you know, it's human nature. People have empathy for a couple of weeks and then they go, oh yeah, I'm tired too. Go exercise or eat better. They don't, they don't look fine, you know?

Yeah, you look fine, right? You know, I mean, I'll, I, you know, see people that I, that I knew back then when I was sick and they're like, oh, I thought, I thought you like died or something. You know, I'm like, I'm like, okay, you know, thanks for calling.

Yeah.

But also it's like, oh my God, the phone rings, just that overload. Like, oh, how dare they call at 3 in the afternoon?

You know, taking a nap.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I, you know, looking back, I, I loved what I was, I, I loved being in the white coat. I loved, you know, my colleagues. I loved being in the club. I, you know, we, you know, that training that we have, but I knew, I knew that we weren't getting to the root cause, but that the word why was excised from our vernacular during training. We didn't ask why when someone was diagnosed with MS. We didn't ask why when someone was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, we just said, this is your diagnosis and here's your prescriptions. And that's why I think that, you know, physicians nowadays are so burned out. And in 2013, the American Medical Association did a study and they wanted to know what led to physician satisfaction. And they found that the number one thing that led to their satisfaction was their ability to provide high-quality care. 70% of the physicians in this study reported they're completely burned out, right? So you think about like, what is the definition of power? So Martin Luther King says that the definition of power is to achieve purpose and affect change. Doctors can't do either, right? We were there. We, we are, you're stuck and it's, and it's, and it's sad. And unfortunately, we lose a colleague a day to suicide. And I mean, just in the profession of medicine, think about all the other people that are suffering who are in the box.

You lost a person a year. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, it's terrible. And so what I want to talk about today is I want to talk about The Metabolic Code because it offers— it's a tool to help personalize, personalize the care you're giving. It, you know, it's really a strategy for for doctors, for, for patients, for people who are looking to be treated more as individuals and with precision, right? A precise plan of action. So, The Metabolic Code is a personalized health evaluation program, and it's very simple. And Professional Health Products, that's who sponsored me. We have the supplements that are in The Metabolic Code because I think that another frustrating factor is that when doctors are starting out, or even really good doctors who are doing functional medicine, it still feels like a little bit of a guessing game. Or it feels like it takes a long time to take all the data that we're trying to accumulate on our patient. We're trying to pick which supplements and it's, it's, it's hard for even the, the best of us. And so this metabolic code, it, it gives us a way to organize the data. It gives us a way to treat each patient as, as their own, you know, physiological fingerprint. And, you know, we can look inside and look at that internal fingerprint. With assessment of the metabolic code, and that's subjective, so that's questionnaires, and it's also objective, so you have serum and saliva and urine, and you can create a plan of action. Now, if you think about the topic of peptides, what better marriage than to have someone's unique biochemistry, their meta-inflammation, which Jim Lavelle also— he already talked about that, as we watched this interview, talking about the root cause of inflammation. If we We find that out, our peptides are going to work better. And when our peptides work better, then our systems get better. So that's kind of the premise.

I just want to mention something, you know, because, you know, we had over 22 centers and we had like 9 franchises and doctors. And I really get down on doctors, but really I shouldn't because they're stuck in a system that where the best doctors who want to help people actually the most frustrated because they can't. They're stuck in, oh, this, that's not efficient, do these extra tests. And Xavier, why should I? And they're just become Robotrons. And so these doctors go to these, you know, basically conferences and they're just blown away and like, where do I start? What do I do? And we found it takes you know, we had the fire fatigue centers. We were treating kind of the sick of the sick, which you don't have to start with, you know, but it would take a year to just get them up to speed. And they would always say, like, we, we, when we first started out, it was, I would give 40-hour PowerPoint.

Yeah.

And they go, they would just be, and ask them a question and they would go, what?

I'm like, I just talked about it.

You know, Okay, we got to change that. We got, we got to spoon feed them a little slower, but it's so doctors feel trapped and, and they don't, and they hear things from their colleagues or that's, you know, quackery, but it's once they do it and, you know, and that's what I was, you know, I'm still very evidence-based and when I snuck off, but I didn't tell anyone to go to these, you know, alternative conferences to help myself because no one will help me. And I'm like, oh my God, it is so more evidence-based than what they're teaching me when they're teaching me, oh, just trust us, this is how we do it. And it's freeing. It's like, oh my God, that's what medicine is. You go find a patient has a problem and you become a medical detective and you, you know, especially early on, I still probably do it even more now, but I go look at the literature. Go find it. Those doctors, they don't care because they can't— if they find some new treatment, they can't do it anyways.

That's right.

There's— yeah. And so this is a tool to boom, they can get patients better that, you know, that other doctors are very quickly.

Right. And it's based on 30 years of clinical research and application by practitioners. So it's like this has been tested and this is based on that clinical data. And I know you and I share that really annoyance, and it, it just doesn't sit well with us that good clinical research sits for 17 years on average because it can't make it from the sci— you know, the science right there, it can't make it into the doctor's office. And it's like, that's unacceptable. That's completely unacceptable. So doctors like you and I will go in and we'll find it and we'll put put rubber to the road, but this, this really streamlines that, streamlines that.

They do the hard work for you. And she's talking about the National Care of Hypothyroidism. I put this thing and I was really angry at doctors, but it really isn't their fault is that, you know, Annals of Internal Medicine did a study, look at what doctors know. And they found they're practicing 20 years behind what's available to medical literature and that doctors don't read medical literature, although they all say that they do. But the reason is, is that it doesn't help them because they can't do it. Now, if it's a new drug, the drug rep comes in, they buy them this and that. And, you know, they go, oh, new drug. And what's it for? Oh, check that box. If I next time I have someone with this, I'll give them it. What's the mechanism of action again? Oh, it doesn't matter. You know, is it covered by insurance? And it's just cookie cutter. And doctors are going to be replaced with artificial intelligence. There'll be one damn doctor in the middle of Nebraska. And people are going to put all their symptoms in. It's going to say you can do this, you can do this and do this and, you know, spit out the tests and, and, and do that. I know doctors have lost critical thinking and because they're not allowed to think.

That's right. That's right. That's what I remember thinking to myself is when I'm, you know, in the ER and the, in the throes of the family practice going like, I'm just checking boxes here. I'm not thinking at all that this is, this is not a critical thinking and, and you're in again. You're trapped and there's really nothing that you, you could do about it and you don't know how to get out. So this is our bridge and I, I love that quote from Buckminster Fuller. You can't, you, you don't change things by fighting the existing reality. You change something, you build a new model so the other one becomes obsolete, right? So that's what I think Jean Lavelle, Andy Heyman have done is that they built this model that You don't have to worry about it working. 30 years have been put into this. It, it works. And there's algorithms on the back end. They're not replacing your clinical judgment.

We all tell that doctor they're wrong. It's like, here's a different way. Yeah.

That's right. That's right. And it, and it is because I think also you and I were, before we started recording, we were making fun of the interactions in the doctor's office. It's somebody's on their computer, the doctor's on their computer. They don't even make eye contact. So, I mean, we need to, we need to fix that too. You know, I wanna show everybody, this is, this is the metabolic code. This is the report. And you know, we're gonna talk about the triads, but basically the, you know, the triads are how we're taking all that data and we're simplifying it into these biological systems. And this is very eloquently done. Patients love this. They show it to their neighbors and they, they go, look at this. And it's very. The green and the red and the yellow. But I wanna tell you, there's so much on the back end of this in terms of algorithms and in terms of research. Everything on here is clinical-based. So it's just, it's just handing you a tool where you can start to be a human again and you can start to have interactions with your patients. You can start to choose specific nutraceutical supplements. And you know, I'm a big fan of Professional Health Products because before I was helping working with them, I just thought they were a great company. And then I actually, you know, really got to pull back the curtain and I realized they do not cut corners. They do not cut any of the corners that a lot of the competitors do because doctors don't even know what questions to ask, right? So when you're looking at a company that has been around, it's a family-owned business and they're not cutting corners and you can trust that, you know, they're, they're not selling on Amazon. Your patient can't go around you and get these. They're really high level and they're formulated by people like myself and, and Jean-Philippe Raymond, Andy Heyman, that we're really, we're really taking something that you can trust because you're putting it in someone's body and you're being specific about it.

So, you know, for example, because I, I can give you a thousand supplements that are good for you, right? And, and I remember when I looked through that catalog, I'm like, wait, who are these people?

These people are doing it differently. They know more, you know, it's, it's like, oh, take vitamin D, take a fish oil. No, this is stuff that it's like, I'm impressed. I'm like, hey, who is this? Where, where are they? You know, it's very apparent, you know, it is.

And it matters. And that's where the pop—

it works. That's the difference, right?

Yes, that's right. We get really good results. And This is where I think it's really unique with the, with the, the Peptide Summit is because when I started using peptides, you have people who are paying for these peptides and they're going, I don't feel anything. I don't feel any better. And it's, it's frustrating for everyone, right? It's frustrating for the doctor, the practitioner, the, the patient. But you know, you can, you can do a before and after and here's your, here's data. Objective data that shows that, you know, I love— Dr. Horowitz says that, you know, patients have 16 nails in your— in their foot, and you have to get, you know, 16 out before they stop complaining. But we can show them, we're starting them on BPC-157 for inflammation or repairing their gut. We can show that there's a trial in here called Gut Brain Immune, and we can show this is getting better. This is objective data. And this is where Compliance goes through the roof. People understand because they don't quite understand when doctors are actually, when we do make eye contact, there are studies that show we, we do still talk a little bit above them, right? And, and they're, and they're not grasping, like, why am I on this? But this, this takes the work right out of that equation for you because it's, it's, it's guiding them and they understand that it's not cookie cutter like you just said. Fish oil, vitamin D, multivitamin. No, this is specific tailored nutrition that will get your patient better. The meta— the meta-inflammation will go down so that your peptides will work better. And then you can—

it's like so many things. And, you know, doing deep dives, it's like inflammation in the hypothalamus, like, solves so many things, you know, the HPA axis function. Thyroid, insulin resistance, and all those things. And just talk about where you said, oh, basically, I'm not better. It's interesting. So we have everyone fill out, you know, their basically energy level, sense of well-being, and then 10 symptoms, frequency and severity. And there'll be a year up, I'm not feeling any better. And then you go, wait a minute, your severity was a 10 here, a 9. And they're like, oh yeah, you know, Yes, I think it, it's a, you know, like a basic defense mechanism so we don't get post-traumatic stress and remember everything, you know, so negatively. I love stuff like that. It makes it understandable because I know we throw a bunch of stuff at patients and to them it's like XYZ equals ABC and, you know, and they get out there and go, what the heck am I supposed to do?

You know?

Exactly, exactly. And so that's where those triads— so the triads are the key to success because it organizes the clinical information that sometimes doesn't even make sense to the doctor when you're pulling hormones and you're pulling all this together and you're spending so much time, right? I mean, so this is time efficiency is a really big—

it's like you have now computer artificial intelligence to help the doctor to help put it together.

That's right. And it's not taking away the power to make clinical decisions, and it's, it's just organizing it. And so the triads, there, there's 5 of them, and they're proprietary interrelated biological domains, right, of function. So basically there's 3 organ systems per triad, and they display all that data. And I just showed you really eloquently, very, just very simple for the patient to see Oh, my thyroid adrenal pancreas triad is off because look at my lab values. Look at the subjective symptoms that I answered. Oh, I understand that. So then when you, you know, you have a supplement. So this is for, this is actually my triad one, Y-Calm. I understand why you're taking this. I understand.

See, yep.

Yep.

I have a friend who has Lyme and I feel very bad for him. He's very sick. But I refuse to treat him because he won't take time to understand why he's taking something. And granted, I may not be the best, and because of him, I may be not hitting like, dude, you better, you have to learn. And it's like, I don't know. And like, so you can't say, well, did you take this? I don't know what I took. Are you better? I don't know. I don't know what, what I took.

My girlfriend lays it out for me.

I'm like, I can't work that way.

Right.

You know, it's dangerous and you can't get feedback and it's, you know, you need to know why you, you need to take an active part in your health.

Right. And then we see in the allopathic traditional model, how there's such a dichotomy between, it's just take this, I don't have time to talk about it. The patient feels disempowered, the patient's confused, and the doctor is suffering too, right? Or the practitioner. I mean, all kinds of practitioners are suffering. Will tell you, will tell you that firsthand. It's that everyone's looking for a solution. And in this pandemic, there is not a better time to call upon every resource we have to make things better, make things more precise. We have got to get our biochemistry in line because all your biochemistry is nutritional. And I stole that from Dr. Brian Walsh. He's a brilliant naturopathic doctor. It really dawned on me, it's like when we say cofactors, when we say, you know, how, you know, key enzymes, it runs on what you feed your body, right? It runs on the nutrition that we're not getting from our food sources anymore. So, we need to be— again, we need to be precise and we need to have a really effective way of communicating. And that's what this metabolic code does. And that's why I love taking these triads, taking the Triad 1, the adrenal thyroid pancreas, the, which is called the energy triad, and optimizing it. And, and it'll, it'll optimize these triads based on your patient, not based on what it thinks the general population should have. So some people end up having— yeah, triad 4 is the worst, right? Liver, kidney, lymph. So that's my Phase 2.5 detox, right, where that's the worst triad. We need to, we need to start there and work there because look at your numbers, look at these red flags on your report in there, and they're So invested, the patient's so invested, and they understand. And that is so, and it's so important nowadays to just get this right.

And, and I love that. I think the difference between— I mean, I think, as you know, our best patients are the most educated patients and the ones that— I mean, I'm— go out and go on the internet, read everything, and bring it. There's great, great stuff, and there's stuff that's baloney, but bring it back, we'll talk about it. Where standard doctors were like, are you questioning me?

Where was your doc?

You know, if a doctor says that, run.

Right.

And, and because they can't defend their treatments and they don't, they don't believe they got, you got this, I got this. I don't know why it works either, you know. And I love talking to patients about, well, this is why this and that. And, you know, that lays it out for them. So allows them to have a place to start, you know, because I think that's just like doctors, the big thing is they don't know where to start. Same with the patients. Like, oh my God, who do I go to? What do I do? This doctor says this.

I go back to my other doctor.

He says, don't do that. He doesn't know what it is, but he doesn't have anything for me. You know, what do I do?

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're in this time of, of, I mean, we've, it's been a long haul of this personalized medicine, right? I mean, we've been hearing that term for so long, but I think the public's starting to go, yeah, like, that's what we want, right?

We're, you know, shut up too, though.

So, you know, you think about people, and I'm seeing a lot of genetic reports, right? So they come in with the genetic reports. And, you know, I think of genes as the— that could be the predisposition you have, right? But we are all about epigenetics. I'm sure one of your guests have talked all about epigenetics. What we're, you know, what we're— what pressure we're putting on our genes, and that's how they express. And so, I think that genetics can be important, but I think that's really not the personalized medicine we were really— we're really—

Yeah.

That's only 20%. Amen. And so, it's like the metabolotypes, we call them, those are literally the patterns you have going on in your body right now. It's not like this is your predisposition. It's like this uncovers in live time what's going on in your body. And, you know, I'm not saying the genetics aren't useful. What I'm saying is this, it goes a step above and a step in the right direction.

It's like the starting point.

Yes, it is. It is. And so I think a lot of doctors, a lot of practitioners, they're getting on board, they're jumping on the metabolic code train right now, because it's like a lifeline. It's like you get to be in control, but yet you're in a servant model where you're in control, but your goal is not to have power over have power with your patient and that feels so good, right? And we're, I mean, we're losing connection because of the pandemic left and right and it's so healing to have that relationship.

So what I think the difference is, is that I remember when I was like, you know, writing papers on thyroid, I would have a computer that I'm old, it was actually before the wheel actually, right? But I remember going down to UCLA Library, Scripps Library, going to find that journal, putting on that damn computer, bring it home, I copied half the paper. And it was, you had to take me so much effort to get the information. Now it's the opposite problem. It's information overload. There are so many studies, so many things. People are like, oh my gosh, what do I do? And doctors are the same. And so they say, you know, What use is it? I'll just wait until the HMO tells me which one I should use. And patients like, you know, who do I believe? Or how do you organize this stuff? This does that for you.

Yep. Absolutely. It does that. And we're looking for that. We're looking for the organization where we don't have to spend— we don't have enough time. We don't have enough time. And we really need to have something that's all put together. And guys, here it is. So, you know what? I think There's been a lot of talking and what I want to tell everybody right now is that if you want to try this out, if you want to get your symptoms survey, we're going to, we're going to give that to everyone so you can see what your metabolic code score would be when, when you're looking at the subjective assessment. So that's going to be our free gift is that people.

And so can, can you describe that? So what does that involve? Do they do saliva tests? Do they send in blood? Do they do questionnaires? And, you know, and that's the thing, questionnaires correlate damn well with, you know, what we find and, and genetics and tests. But like, what does that involve?

There's basically two parts of the metabolic code, and it's subjective and the objective, right? So the subjective is where the patient logs on and they fill out questionnaires, right? So then that actually would populate. This is going to populate on under symptom score. Maybe I don't see that, but this one right here will give a symptom score. So typically when you're running the MelaBook, pleasure to talk to and just always learn, lab score, and those two would generate green, yellow, or red, right? Okay. So what we are able to do is that we're able to give people who are listening, people who are wondering like, Wonder, wonder what triad's worse. You know, wonder which one's the worst for me is that we want you to do the subjective survey, which takes some time. I mean, it's, it's in depth.

It's not worth it.

I mean, really, it goes in. I mean, there is so many metrics behind the metabolic code. It is mind-boggling. It is absolutely mind-boggling. And I know Jim probably went through a lot of that with you, but I can just, I think about the time and the money.

Put that together. I mean, I did a hand algorithm and just put it all together and try to train all the doctors at the Barber Center. It covers the whole wall, you know, and it now needs to be expanded tenfold, you know.

Yeah.

And, and that, that's what we're looking at. It was like, oh my gosh, and that's so long, you know, but it is, everything's exponential. It's just, we have so much information. So they're, I imagine, constantly updating this. And I— and now do people get the blood work through that kit or do they go to Quest or do they go through their doctor? How does that work?

So all the information on that backend stuff of how the doctor orders the blood serum of the, the serum, urine, and saliva, all that's at metaboliccode.com. You can find all that information, even if you're a patient, you just want to know how it works. Then it'll be automatically loaded into the cloud-based software so that the, the doctor will be alerted when the report is ready. So they won't have to do much work. They won't have to sit there and go, oh, look, this number's here and that number's here and here, here. It's just like, there you go. So, you know, you're looking—

Yeah.

So, so the labs through, through the kit, through—

I think, um, They're sending them to Quest and sending the—

and that will populate on the— okay.

Yeah. So it's really, and every, you know, every time we have updates, it's just getting simp— more simple and more simple to actually implement that in, in your—

if you have where the technology's actually working.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And you can manage all that patient information right in one place. You know, you, you can improve your, it's gonna improve your clinical outcomes. You know what I mean? We've really shown that. So. Happy, happy practitioners, happy, happy patients. I mean, it really is such a powerful tool. And that's why I wanted to come on and I, and I wanted to talk about that because it's, it's really not just some pie in the sky. It's, it really is helping doctors, practitioners of all sorts really connect again. And that's what we need. We're in this pandemic and it's like, Oh, we're just, everything's, we're so far off and we want to come back to really having precise care that, you know, that nobody's burning out here. We don't want, you know, we don't want any of that around, around any.

Yeah.

And it's like newsflash to doctors. It's fun to get patients better. It actually feels nice instead of just pushing them on. And it's funny, we had one of our doctors, Her husband is like, uh, HMO doctor. And he's like, uh, how's it going? I am a data collection service for the government. That's what he calls himself, you know?

And it, it is, they're just filling up all this, you know, it's, it's, it's crazy instead of, you know, they went into this and the nicest guy, smartest doctor to help people and to use your knowledge and and be able to figure out, like, you know, be a detective and say, oh, this is, you know, and, and critical thinking skills. And now it's just memorizing ICD-9 codes, you know, and I blame doctors for allowing it to happen. But, you know, I can't beat them up too much. So I gotta lay off of, but I just get mad, you know, because they're just defending their, what they know.

Right?

When you send a patient back, it's like if a doctor can't fix it, it's the patient's fault. And that's just human nature. And you know, people like, you know, yourself and, you know, with Lyme disease, oh yeah, it's, it's, you know, a stressed out woman. They'll still ask, oh, so you got a couple of kids at home.

Yeah.

You're probably pretty stressed.

Right. You know, yeah. I'm going to strangle you right now, you know, but then you show them all these labs are abnormal. And, or this I don't understand, doctors will run the lab and it's abnormal and they do nothing. Like, why did you run the lab?

Why did you run the lab, right? I mean, you and I could go in, they'll say it's false positive.

Well, why, why do you think it is?

You know, it's crazy, right?

Yeah. And I think important and relevant to this is that symptoms in patients often show up long before they've had that metabolic shift in labs even, right? So People come in all the time to their regular doctor. I don't feel good. I don't know what's wrong. I don't feel good. And then the labs are, nope, it's all good. You're fine. And it's like, you know, I mean, you and I could go into a dissertation on thyroid physiology and labs.

Oh my gosh.

Right? It's bad.

And so I've been working on a, you know, thing is we can look at lab and say, okay, you're low thyroid, you know, and like TSH. So we study, show, I have done several reviews, 400 studies are using, not reliable. But that's what all the endocrinologists, all the doctors do, because it's simple. So I've been working on an assay that it's going to prove that's wrong. It's been 15 years and I keep getting close. And, but now I think we're even closer. I could have retired if I just put all the money into this thing.

Damn it.

We're going to finish it. But so we finally, we kept using smaller labs and we'd get 90% and they couldn't finish it, you know? So I said, just, I don't care. It's, I'll give up everything. Just get this thing out, you know? So I'll tell you more about it, but hopefully we'll have it out where it's going to be a black and white test where standard doctors, you can say your thyroid's low, but your TSH is normal. We'll see.

Oh, well, I, anything I can do to help, you let me know, right? Because we need to work smarter, not harder. Right?

Yep. Yep.

And, and so with the giveaway, so if you're going to summarize that again.

Yeah. So it's going to be in the, the notes on this presentation. So when someone's going to watch this, there's going to be some introduction in there and there'll be a link and you can click on that and you can go and do the survey, I think until the end of the year, just, just for free. And that's part of, that's part of the metabolic code. That's a, that was a really big giveaway, right? To, to be able to do that. And, you know, it also, the, the software is able to print out supplement recommendations too. So, you know, that I, I really, again, go back to, we don't, we don't guess, we test, right? We spend a lot of money on guessing which supplements work for us because my neighbor Sally told me that this worked for her, and so I had to go get it. And it's like, oh, that's Suitcases full of supplements that don't— they're not appropriate. They're not, they're not appropriate. So I'm really excited to have that. And you can also go to phpltv.com to find that symptom survey link. If you can't find it in the show notes, just go right there. You can look through all the awesome metabolic pro— metabolic code products that Jean-Philippe Raymond, Dr. Andy Heyman have formulated, hand-formulated. I mean, there's some just phenomenal work that they put in.

I mean, and these guys are.

You know, that some, the top brains and, you know, in industry, and I'm just in awe when I hear, hear them lecture and I'm just like, damn. And then speaking with you, it's like, wow. You know, it's like, that's a great team.

Well, thank you. And I, I feel the same way about your work that you've done for so long. If your listeners don't, they don't know.

And how much you don't take advantage of this. It's crazy because I think so many people watching this, I'm sure they're like, I'm interested, but where do I start?

Yeah, here it is right here.

Here it is. Start right here. You can go to metaboliccode.com, find all kinds of free resources on there, learn where you can find a practitioner, practitioners. You could set up your account. You know, it's, it's really streamlined. This is, people are. Doctors are jumping on board, practitioners of all kinds are jumping on board daily because it just, it's, it has so many resources. I mean, I don't have to spend time going through dietary different things because Laura Laval is actually a registered dietitian. She's done videos and all kinds of things on trans fats. And so your patient can just watch, like, what was that about trans fats? And they can watch it again. So it just cuts the time because we can't be everything. And we can't rely on Google to give our patients good information, right? We just, we can't. So this is a one-stop shop and it's just growing in its capabilities and making everything so much easier.

But this is awesome. And it, it, it really is, I think, kind of the quintessential people come to these, you know, the summits and these things to learn to so many of them are trying to find a place to start. Yeah. You know, and they hear this and they hear that, like this person, oh my gosh, that costs a lot of money, but are they better? My doctor says no, this says this. Look, this is free and this is going to point you in the right direction and give you a starting place. I think that's just invaluable.

I do too.

So that's awesome.

So fun. Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you to the sponsor Professional Health Products. They are an amazing company, amazing family. Uh, we got to spend some time together in Locanda and we had, I actually got to meet Dr. Kent in person and that was really fun. So I hope to see you again live.

That would be—

I love it.

Hey, especially, uh, when the, uh, conference at a winery, it's not too bad.

Oh yeah.

And there were some just, I, I enjoy just talking to everybody. There's just some brilliant minds, you know, including you. I was like, I'm like, who's, who formulated these? Where'd you get it? So that, that's awesome. And I'm. Feel humbled and privileged to be, you know, a part of and have you guys on and hear all the things you're doing. It's just incredible. You guys don't stop.

We just keep on. We got— we have to, right? We got to keep on keeping on, right? I mean, it's a lot of people suffering. So just like you, you just— whatever help you need getting that data published or— call me up.

Yeah. Yeah. You just— yeah. You're like the Energizer Bunny. Awesome. Thank you. I think, I think this is great. I think this is not only interesting and informative, but it's, it's practical for now. Patients actually get a tangible, huge benefit. I think this is great. And thank you so much for giving that to all, all the participants.

Thank you very much.

Great.

Well, have a great rest of your conference and I hope Dallas is treating you well there.

It's nice. I'm gonna go have a cake after I'm done with this.

Oh, there you go.

There you go.

All right, great. Thank you so much. I appreciate taking the time. I got— I know you're so busy. And thank you, Dr. Holtorf.

Thank you so much.

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