Reinventing after 32 years in corporate with Pamela Ripley DeSylvia

If you're someone who wants to make major changes in their life, someone who wants to achieve their goals, or maybe you're someone who knows this is not as good as it gets but you have no idea where to start, on the Reinvent You podcast we explore different types of people, their successes and failures, and how they reinvented themselves to create the life they love. It's our hope that from hearing their stories that you too may have more insight into what it takes to build a life that you envision for yourself. Here to help you do that is performance and life coach Travia Steward.

What's up, my peeps? Today is January 21st, and I would like to welcome you to the Reinvent You Podcast for yet another episode. And before we dive right into it, my guest today is someone that I met through my journey to, as always, get in the best shape of my life. You know, because again, you guys have heard on previous podcasts, I generally have this this resolution, which there, I don't do resolutions anymore. You know, I do outcomes and goals now. And so this, I met her through ProPhysique, Arizona ProPhysique, because I was looking for a trainer who could, you know, work his magic with me. And I just remember how, you know, I met her on, on the phone. We met through texting. I met her once in person and instantly I felt Her sincerity. I felt like she was genuine and I felt like an authentic connection with her right away. And I, at the time, I didn't really know what it was, but right now I know that it's because we're like-minded, because we share a love of professional development. We share a love of wanting to connect with other people and, and being intentional with your time and your energy. And so my guest today is— she's a friend, she is a mom of two, and she's a wife to, you know, a successful fitness coach and personal trainer. And after leaving 32 years in corporate America, she struggled to find her place in this world. You know, she knew she was tired and didn't want to do that anymore. She felt like a robot, but she struggled to find the answers of just where it was she belonged. And so the last year she realized she was living in her absolute rock bottom. And this past July, not even a year ago, she started to work on personal development despite even taking on more than she was absolutely ready for. Through that process, she uncovered her expertise, her niche, and which is meal prepping and making nutrition very simple for the average person. Her husband loves working with people and training, and he is a trainer for Arizona Pro Physiques, working with professional bodybuilders and, you know, competitors, as well as, you know, everyday Jills and Janes. You know, together they are developing a program that can be used for online clients to better their health, their nutrition, and their mindset. And right now, I would like you to welcome my guest today, Pamela Ripley da Silva. All right, here we go. Pamela Ripley da Silva, welcome to the Reinvent You podcast. I am so honored that you are gracing us with your presence today. How are you doing today?

I am doing amazing, and I'm really excited to chat with you today.

So absolutely, that's what I'm talking about. You know, it's all about like minds. And there was— I just remember that first time I saw you at Pro Physique, which is, you know, later on. But when I saw you at Pro Physique, I was like, oh, she's really, really nice, you know. We talked on the phone, we text, and then just our communication— I felt like, you know, you know, I did a podcast episode last week. It's kind of like when you meet somebody for the first time and you just feel that, that genuine sincerity. I felt that with you the very first time we met. So I love that about you.

So thank you.

Absolutely. Welcome to the show. So I would like to dive right in. So, okay. You know, so here we go. I love that you wrote on Facebook, I have never been so excited about work, if you want to call it that, ever. I've never, ever felt more alive and crystal clear as to where it is that I'm going and the company that I've chosen to align with to create the life by design for my family I've always wanted. You know, many people go through their entire lives and they never feel that. So before we get into that, I want you to tell us a little bit about your background, starting with corporate America, before you are experiencing this indescribable feeling. So tell us a little bit about where you came from before we delve into your today journey.

All right. I started, I started working at the age of 15.

Okay.

In retail and I have been in it ever since up until I was 50 years old. That is when I finally left corporate America. But I have just done retail management my entire life and it is funny how robotic that is. You know, even though I was making really good money when I got into management, I didn't really, I didn't raise my kids and I really had it figured out though like a lot of working moms because you know, they had the preschool, they'd go to before their school started, I'd get them there and then they go to their classes and then they had after-school care and then they had weekend care and I missed everything, right? It was normal and that's the sad part about so many working parents, you know, it becomes normalcy. So I missed out on a lot of pivotal moments with my kids growing up but I was, I was there, like I was, oh, I saw them every day, tucked them in, all that but Still, now looking back, you know, I just really, I missed all of that. So I went through that and it was normal. And, you know, the 70-hour work weeks, it was normal, but my parents helped out a lot. And then I have Darren, he was my weekend warrior while I was working. And again, there's that word, you know, it was normal, but I was just missing out on so much, not being home, you know, and training them to be that way. And And that's really where I came from. And then I just kind of lost it when I turned 50. I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore. You know, I'm just not going to do it. You know, Darren decided to take on a little more so I could finally be the one to stay home, which I've never done. And that's when I started making some changes. But this year really kicked in the gear. But that's kind of where I came from with corporate America and my whole life.

Did you receive any pushback from any, like, family members who are like, girl, you halfway through your life? Or most people, like my brother-in-law says, you know, because he and I are the same age, because I turned 50, I'll be 51 next month. And so it's something about when you hit 50, it's like, we don't give two craps about it. We're doing what we need to do. But some people don't do that. Like my brother-in-law said, hey, you know, Trey, we have more years behind us than we have in front of us. And I go, what? So did you get any of that kind of stuff, like from close friends, family members, like, girl, how are you going to be, you know, giving up your corporate job? You've done all this, you got retirement, you got stability. Why now?

You know, I think, um, most of my friends, I didn't get any pushback from any friends at all. And, um, my parents were the ones that I really got it from. I think my friends are pretty excited because I'm very vocal. So they've always known where I'm going. I don't hide anything. Everybody knows what I'm thinking and where I'm going, you know?

Very true.

But my parents, they're always the ones and it's really sad, you know, what are you doing? What are you thinking? What are you going to do? And the funny thing is I've never needed them to take care of me anyways. This whole thing, I've made it through half a century is what I told my mom.

Yeah.

And I'm still alive and I've managed to raise kids.

So hey, Boom.

So they're, they're really the only ones that I got the pushback from, right?

And you know, and there's something to be said about that generation because my mom passed in 2017. So it was before I made my big move, but she would have completely gone, what, what's the matter with you? That kind of thing, you know, because it's kind of like what I'm realizing is that, you know, especially our generation, Like, it's kind of like most of us, I know I can speak from experience of not surrounding myself with people who are like, oh, absolutely, go for it. Don't be safe. Go out there and fail fast. You know, go out there and live your dream and your purpose. My mom would have been like, what? Your purpose is to get your ass out there and go to that 9 to 5 and you come home and you go to sleep. That's your purpose.

Yeah.

It's, you know, it is, it is. And so, yeah.

Still working and he's 74. Full time.

Full time because he loves it or because he has to?

Um, both. I think when he— he's the kind, because he's such a workaholic, when he quits, that'll be the end-all for him because he has something that drives him.

Yeah.

But don't think he doesn't bitch about it every day. He's retired, been retiring for the past 10 years every time I talk to him. But you know, that's what drives him. And it's, you know, the afraid of not having, like, when they do retire, right, you know, taking care of everybody. His— right, that's— I don't think that's not my generation. Even though I want to take care of my kids, but my dad's driving force is to make sure everybody's taken care of before he dies, right? And I'm like, that's good, I love you for it, but we've missed out on you, right? My kids miss out on me because I really missed out on that relationship, doing anything with my dad besides talking about work.

Yeah. And then ultimately, when you realize, oh, okay, what was my dad's greatest gift to me? Is it the money he left, or is it the connection and the time you were able to spend together?

You know, you know, it's funny because he came over last night, we had this exact conversation. I should have recorded it, it was so funny. He's like, he's— it's, it's about when I die, do this, this, and that, and now you got this. I'm like, Dad, I told him, I said, I don't want to know. Because you're not gone. Yeah. And I'd rather when the day comes that I— the will's, you know, it shows up, I want to know then. I don't want to know now. I'd rather your time. I'd rather spend time with you. That's like, that's all I've ever wanted. And I'm 53 now and I've really never had that. Right. But what it taught me was work ethic. And I've been able to— because I also have that I need to live my life mentality.

Yeah.

That's what makes us different.

I love that. You know, and that's some of the values work that I do with my clients. And I can tell that your values were first aligned with, you know, because your values can be positive or negative. And so it's like, if you learn that thing from your dad, that it's like, you know, work is more important, you provide for your family. And it doesn't mean that he views as negative. That's something that's passed down to you. And so in doing your work of going into professional development, how do you begin shifting those values to, you know, no, I don't think I think it's really about that. How have you shifted your values to more align with who you are today?

I think what has helped me shift my values is just knowing where I came from and what I don't like about it, that type of stuff. And then looking at— because it was actually, and it is, and that's why I've decided to make the change, affecting my family, my girls. Because even though you think something's not hereditary, whatever, I say it is. Because however you're brought up, it just, it's in you. And yeah, you have to fight for it not to be. You don't just wake up one day and you're like, I'm not gonna do that, you know, because if you were raised that way, that's how you were raised, you know. And when I noticed it shifting into my family and my, my kids and seeing that I was acting out a certain way or treating them a certain way and the damage that it was doing, even though I didn't intend that, it's just like habitual because I grew up that way. That's what I'm like All right, something has to change because I need to change this right here.

Yeah, yeah, I totally get that. Like, one of the things that, you know, we don't realize how affected we are by our parents, their ideology, our environment, and our friends. And I realized that I always thought I was just okay with money. And I always laugh at my mom, who, you know, she's probably turning over in her grave that I say these things on the podcast about her, but she was always a person who was like, you know, she had— sometimes she had more than one job. She would live paycheck to paycheck. She would rob Peter to pay Paul. And there was a time in my life where I thought that was normal. And I followed right in her footsteps and go, what? What's wrong with that? But yeah, we hand these lessons down. So how— you know, when you recognize these things in your relationship with your kids and your family, because you didn't want to pass those things down, what is that process like? You know, do you like, oh my goodness, I see myself. Like, is it an out-of-body? You step and you see and you hear hear yourself. How did you become so aware and what were the steps that you took to change that?

Um, I realized not everybody experiences the same things. Um, but my awareness was like seeing my teenagers run amok. Like, um, there came a point where they just, you could tell they were super unhappy. Disrespectful and that's not like them, but it's only in my four walls. Like when they're out and about, everybody, oh my God, your girls are amazing. Those are perfect. And then I'm just thinking, my girls? Who are you talking about? That's not what I'm saying right now. You know, like they did this 180. Yeah. And just the teenage depression stuff. And then that's when it's, I don't know, that's I think what hit me. I'm like, you know, we're still dealing with all of that. So I'm in the midst of it, the beginning of it actually, but just to watch it where they don't come out of their rooms and I didn't like that. Like, because that's not how they were raised, even though I say I kept them busy and I wasn't always with them, but man, they were go, go, go, go, go and gymnastics and they had to dance and this, and then all of a sudden they're like withdrawn and, you know, so just watching that.

Right.

That's when I'm like, I can't let them go down that path.

Right, okay. Yeah, I totally get that. How do you get to a point of like— because how old are your girls?

15 and 18.

Oh, that's the age, right?

And I have two stepsons that are 28 and 29, and I've had them since they were like a year and two years old. Yeah, I'll tell you, boys are so easy compared to raising girls.

Of course. Wow. So how do you Oh my goodness. I don't have kids, so I don't know how hard or how easy it is to— especially 18- and 15-year-old girls. Because there's— I know there's a certain thing about being a helicopter parent, but letting them fly on their own. Like, how do you balance that between discipline? Well, who are you? And I'm the parent, and you're the kid. How do you and Darren find balance between that?

Well, I'll start by saying that Darren is the level-headed the one that is mediator.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, I, I'm just very, um, I've had to work on delivery and tact, if that's the right word, when it comes to something, because I just like, you know, because I'm Italian, I'm Sicilian. Exactly, you know.

Oh cool.

I kind of have a little temper, Italian-Irish, you know. So there's Darren, you know, but he's also learned not to say anything. He just kind of mediates.

Yeah.

And then when I say something, it's, you know, blood boiling over here, or it's not understood, he'll be the one like, "What I think your mom meant to say," right? "What he would like to talk to you about is," and kind of smooths it out. And then I can sense him doing that. I'm like, okay, I gotta bring it down a notch. Yeah, yeah, I gotta listen a little more.

And, you know, And the reason why I go there is because I think the evolution of how people change affects how you interact with everybody. So can you take us back to your deciding factor that Pam needs to work on Pam? What was your first personal development work? How did it change you? How did it grow to help you become the person, the parent, the business owner who you are today?

Okay. I'll try to not go in circles. So a couple years back when I quit my job, you know, being the person who's never been not working. So the only time I wasn't at work is if I was on a paid vacation and then 6 weeks, 6 weeks, uh, 3 years apart for maternity leave. And that was it. Otherwise I was at work, you know? So then when I stopped working, I was home and kind of bored and I didn't know what to do and I didn't really find a purpose yet. And then I started to get into it. Started my meal prepping and working at the gym with Darren and having a lot of fun with that and trying to stay healthy. And I am like, OK, I like this life, you know? And then I have my business and I am not going to stray off on this one. But through that, I met somebody who we had come stay with us to decide if that is where they wanted to live, was Arizona or somewhere else. And that was a disaster. 6 months of like, I think that was my when I decided and everything shifted for me. And then Darren, he is an angel. He is like, "Sure, if you want to help somebody out, that is fine." He didn't care. But then when you have somebody here, it is hard to change that. So, we went through 6 months and that was where my family, whole family, it was like you took the box up and just shook them, you know?

Wow.

Kids and all. Like, that is how horrible you know, having somebody in all of the events we want to go down. That's a whole nother podcast in itself, trust me. But that was— then, then all that left, you know, that program, I get out, you know, all this stuff. And then we still had issues, but at that point, that's when I kind of numbed out, I think, from like March. And then enter COVID. So this all happened the end of March.

Wow.

And then you have March, April, May, June. So like those 4 months, I was really numb. Like, I want to say almost didn't exist, you know, and then the kids weren't in school. Everybody's home. Darren wasn't working. So I would just stay off to myself, you know, and then I decided to do the UPW and I was well aware of Tony Robbins and UPW and I already knew of it.

Yeah.

And I wanted to go to a live event. That's what I've always wanted to do. And then when they finally decided to do the virtual because they had to, right?

Yeah.

Okay, well, Shit, I'm gonna invite— it's what, $400? It's worth it, right? Right. But this is all about— and I did it, but it wasn't total immersion. That's why I did it a second time. Okay, there's a lot of distractions, and it's hard with kids and animals and things, you know.

Right.

So, but I got a lot out of it. So it kind of started my journey, and that was in July. So I did another one in November. But midstream, I met Brian Merrill, who was He's one of 6, Tony Robbins' 6 speakers. So he's one of Tony Robbins', one of his national speakers, and I mentor with him. So I joined a small group of his and he was probably my godsend, I would say, Brian, because his mastermind that I joined is changed, that changed my mindset was his mastermind.

Oh, wow. He's the fitness guy.

That's Jake. Brian is, he's a Tony Robbins' national speaker. So he's on stage and sells the tickets tickets, and he's one of the— like KK is to Tony, right?

Right.

Your speaker. So yeah, he's, um, one of my coaches, and I do mastermind with him. And then that's how I met Jake, who's the trainer guy that you're talking about.

Yes. Okay, okay.

I have a lot of mentors now, which is good.

And you know, like, I love that you and I have that in common, because when, you know, I have friends who don't see the value in personal development they don't see the value in a coach. When you're like, you know, because when you say the word mastermind, I automatically know you're spending a lot of money to be in that mastermind, which I think is life-changing. You know, I do. I think the work that you get from mastermind, the work that we do in this world is life-changing. And so what happens when your dad goes, you're in a what? How much you pay for that? Not that you tell him all of that, but if he had an idea, you know, if he had an idea, How would you defend those decisions? Not that you have to, but I'm just saying, what would that conversation look like?

And this too is a little bit of our conversation last night.

I was a fly on your wall last night.

My dad and I have really good conversations. But, you know, I just tell him, you know, that I just think differently than him. And at the end of our conversation, he's like, he told me, you're You're just like me. And I was like, I know I am, just a little different version, but I'm just like you. My mind works the same. But as far as defending that, he would totally think that it's stupid. He's the kind of person, like, if somebody— you tell him that you need to go to a therapist, he's like, that's dumb. You're fine. Pick up a book. Yeah, pick up that. And that, again, maybe that's that, you know, that generation. But because I know this, don't think I'm going to say anything. I just tell them I'm in class. When I did GPW, I'm like, I have a class. I signed up for a class. And that's what I tell him and it's fine.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. You just know the verbiage you need to use with him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

And you know, like, and speaking of that, because I know you've done Tony Robbins, you know, and I remember I sent you a message asking if the virtual was worth it because I don't know, I missed the first one you did because I'm always doing something. And I tell you, I, in my entire life, I've never felt more alive. There, you know, when you say indescribable, that you get up and you're excited about the day to get, you know, for this job, why do you think that's missing from corporate America? Is it because I know you said it's like, you know, you felt like a robot. Why can't that exist in corporate America? That feeling, you know?

Well, you know, in part of all of my learning journey, I think like, like Tony and Brian and and they just teach, like, I was looking over this earlier, um, like your physical state, you know, change your state, you change your physiology, you know, you get up and you do your celery juice and priming and, you know, think about it, he, his mission is to just help, he just wants to help everyone, he wants to serve. I watched Not Your Guru just, I think, last night. I don't know if you've seen that. I have. You know how he He honestly feels, he'll cry with people. So that like his heart, like I told Darren, I go, his heart is so like, I hope that I can build that muscle like that because so genuine and I have it, but then you go to corporate America and it's, you know, a bunch of strangers, you know, and you're always with customers. You really don't interact very much. And then it's all about numbers. And then it just becomes like a hamster wheel, you know?

Yeah.

And one thing that I've learned, and I think I've known it, but it's really stood out more, is how they don't teach you anything. 17, almost 18 years with the company I was with, they never taught me one thing that had to do with growth, personal growth, personal development, mindset, in 18 years.

Wow.

Because that wasn't their jam. Their jam is like, we need to profit, we need to turn some numbers, you got to fire this person, we need to hire people for Christmas, and this is pretty much it, and on and on and on and on. Um, and here, you know, that's what it's all about, you know, just mindset, growth, development. It's just so different. Yeah, it's wanting to see people succeed because it's not going to really benefit you financially, but it's going to benefit you here. You know, yeah.

One of the things that I do that I realize, because again, you know, I've, and I've worked with a bunch of coaches, I've done a bunch of programs, love Tony Robbins. Brendon Burchard was that guy for me. You know, this was like 3 years ago. I went to his High Performance Academy here in Phoenix, life-changing. And so then I go, you know, in doing the work with finding your purpose and all those things, you know, I recognized that it was my 5th grade teacher that helped me to find the emotions and the way I wanted to feel, because ultimately that's what we're all in search of. What are the emotions that you want to feel? It was my 5th grade teacher. For the first time in my life, I felt seen, heard, appreciated, all of that. And I said, oh my God, that's my purpose, is to give that back to as many people as I can. How can I help them live their greatest life? How did you align with, you know, cause I know you said it took you a while to find your niche, but how did you align through your personal development journey with where your purpose and your passion was?

Um, I guess I'm still learning.

Yeah, we all are.

I'm still learning. I have a lot more to do, but, um, I think I've always known that I wanted to help people. And it's so weird. It's like, you know, it's like a double-edged sword. It's like you want to help people, but you're not nice to people. You know, it's like you want to do this, but you're not changes about it. You know, so it's kind of like you can't say that you want to do that and then you're not. So I thought, well, how am I going to help people? Well, then I thought maybe and this is what the personal development is helping, is because the way that I am going to help people is not like physically, financially, like that kind of stuff. I do enjoy donating and doing stuff and I like that. But I learned that because I had to change a lot of my mindset, it was going to be with sharing my story, my journey. Because, which I haven't even begun to do, I am still, that is still unfolding for me because it is It has to just unfold the right way. Otherwise you're just not, you're just verbal vomiting if you don't have the right people to do it. But I figured I've been through lifelong eating disorder issues since I was in the 7th grade, and that's pretty much due to my, my mom. But I've just dealt with that and I don't talk about it. Like my girls, they don't know about it. I mean, eventually they will, They're going to have to. I mean, Darren does, but generally, generally speaking, it's not public knowledge. Maybe after this it will be, but I do mention it and I'm getting better. If I mention it, then it's making it easy to talk about, you know? And then I come across people at the gym that have— the more that you share your story, the more people I find, they're like, oh my gosh, I'm going through the same thing. Maybe you can help me, you know? And then I'm finding that I'm like, that is what actually brings me joy. So I do a lot of, you know, one-on-one and talking with people. As I'm still learning, but when I share my story and I'm learning how to do that properly, then I'm able to reach more people because then they can relate to me. And then they're like, I need you to help me with this. And I found that's where I'm going to help more people.

Absolutely. So, you know, and I don't want to push you to do anything that you're not ready to do, but the only thing I want to do now is dive into that, you know? And so it's like, but again, only as much as you're willing. So what, you know, if there's someone listening right now who has, you know, you don't have to give all the details, details, but like somebody who has, you know, an eating disorder, and you, you said directly linked to a parent, you know, what would be your advice to that person?

Um, I think the biggest thing is to talk about it. The biggest thing is to talk about it, find out why, because it, um, I don't know how to— there's two ways to look at it. I know why, um, growing up, because my thing was always a control issue. Like some people will either be anorexic because they want to be skinny and then they make themselves, they'll be sick. They'll look at food and physically get sick to where they can't eat it, where it becomes a real mental, a real disability, you know, to have that. Then you have the flip side. You have people that are, you know, bulimic where they, they binge eat, but then there's different levels of that as well. Then you have controlled binge eating. It's just, so mine was more mindset. Because when I found myself in times of my life where I couldn't control something or I felt really just so spun out, you know, it's like, that's the only thing that I can control. And it wasn't for like, oh, I need to get skinny or none of that, right? Because I'm not skinny and I'm married to a personal trainer, but that's okay. Um, but, but, you know, I would say you gotta, you gotta talk about it. Yeah, you have ask for help. And I think ask for help really is just finding someone you can talk to because it's not easy. You can go on YouTube, you can Google it, you can join groups. It's not the same. It's not the same. And it's hard to find like therapy help, doctors, like they put you through the wringer. And for the— a lot of it, it's usually somebody's dirty secret. So having to see 10 doctors before you get to the right one then you're just like, screw it, I'm just gonna keep it to myself, you know, I don't need to see 10 people and tell everybody that I have this issue. It's not that easy to find the help unless you just do anonymous groups. And so talk about it and find people that are dealing with the same thing. And yeah, own up, like, why is it, why is it happening? Um, I'm not trying not to ramble on, but part of what you asked me too is relinking it to a parent. The other half of this is Just a couple weeks ago before Christmas, my parents were here and they told my son that he was fat. He's 29. My mom's like, oh my God, come here, you look just like grandpa, and pats his stomach because he's on medication, so he's put on some weight. He was mortified. And then my daughter, a couple weeks after that they were here, and the first thing my dad says is, you need to eat, you're getting too skinny, you look sick. Like, for some reason, and I don't know what it is, they are fixated on the physical appearance of people before anything else, and I don't know where that comes from. So being put through that as a young person and then watching it, like when I go to my mom's house, she'll be like, "Oh, you're getting fat. What are you doing?" Oh, you know, it's like, it's not like, "Hi, how are you? Have you been? What are we gonna do today?" Yeah, the first thing is always related to your physical, and then they beat each other up. My mom's constantly in front of my kids, you know, "You're eating too much, you need to lose." My dad's 6'7", 300 pounds, 325 pounds. He's a big guy, but my mom's constantly telling him how fat he is and constantly feeding him. "Oh, don't come over, your dad will eat it." "But come over and eat." "Your dad will eat it." Yeah, and it's like, it's so confusing as a young person, right? And then not realizing how bad it affected me until I started seeing it. Everything, I think, is when I started seeing it through my girls. And then seeing them like make eye gestures when they'd walk in and then give them the— before they say something. And I'm like, ah, I'm thinking of you. I even had it out one time. I told my mom, I said, if you mention one more time— swim season, my parents have a pool— if One more time, if you bring up how she looks in a bathing suit, good or bad, we're not going to come over anymore.

Right.

All you're doing is making them feel self-conscious about themselves.

Now, do they live here in Arizona?

One mile away. Yeah.

Shut the front door.

Actually, it was closer. Since 1997, we had houses on opposite streets, just walk around the corner. And then I moved here to Queen Creek and they moved with me. But we wanted them to at that time.

Okay.

And then we just walk around the corner. And then when all hell broke loose, I sold that house and moved 1 mile just because my mom doesn't really drive very far. And so it kind of prevented the walking around the corner.

Okay, got it. Wow. You know, and again, we have so much in common. Your parents sound like my mom, like my parents were divorced when I was 2. So really, it's my mom but therefore I'm from Louisiana. And so whenever I would go home and, you know, I'm an adult, and the first thing they would say, you walk in the door and go, oh my God, look at the weight Travia, Fevola, has gained. Because you call me Fevola. Look at the weight. Oh, you some fat. And I'm like, I should have stayed at my house if I had to deal with this.

Yeah.

And it's like, oh, then one time she said, Oh, look at my baby sitting there eating up all those crabs and shrimp and crawfish. You look like a big fat tail whale.

Yeah, that's what I deal with too. And you know, ironically enough, my dad's from Baton Rouge. See? Originally born in Indiana, but like, yeah, half the family's in Baton Rouge.

Oh my God. It's like, yep, that's where they get it. And they think nothing's wrong. And you know what my mom said? And I was like, you know, that's not very nice. And I said, you know, it kind of hurts my feelings. Oh shit, you wear your feelings on your sleeve, you're too sensitive. So now it's my fault.

Yeah, I get the let's talk about it, how you make me feel, that, uh, yeah, it was a long time ago, can't you let that go, that's in the past, right? Right, living in the past, you know. So you just can't, like, talking to them to hash things out or repair things is already a waste waste of time.

Like, already a waste of time.

Yeah, yeah, just— it just ain't gonna happen, right?

And then you do— I understand that you get to a point, it's like you can't change everybody, you can only change the way you react and perceive them. And so it's like, if I don't want that in my life, then I'm just going to keep the subjects on this, this, and that. And you know, you don't have to be— you don't have to subject yourself to that.

Yeah.

Wow, wow.

Another mastery, and I can't remember who it was Susan something. I like— but when you said that, it just reminded me, it was a, um, oh, Dean Graziosi.

Graziosi.

So build your brand thing. So she was taught— her segment was about your left-handed and your right-handed people. Have you ever heard that?

I haven't heard that.

She's like, okay, you, you just, you're just gonna have to understand that there's people in your life, you just have to decide going into the conversation, whatever, whether they're— whether you're talking to your left-handed people, which are your you know, your family and those people like that, you know, and they're just gonna be in your left hand no matter what, you know, they're not gonna jump hands. Then you have your right-handed people who are your self-development friends and people that are growing with you, and they're on your level. And you just have to understand, you have— they're separate. So when you go into a conversation or something happens, you have to just look at which one you're dealing with.

Yeah.

And deal with accordingly.

Okay, I get that. Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

They're left-handed and they're right-handed, right?

Yes. And then just— they're just— they just stick to that category and you're good.

Just my left-handed people.

Perfect, perfect, perfect. So I want to pivot a little bit to, you know, today is, you know, we're early January, it's January 8th when we're recording this. And again, I— one of your posts I want to read: On this day, may you change your direction and not dates. Change your commitments and not the calendar. Change your attitude and not the actions. Restore yourself in your faith, your force, and your folk— and your focus. May you live up to the promises you have made, and may you create not only yourself but your loved ones over the happiest, uh, over the happiest New Year ever. There's so much in that post. Can you just kind of like, like, you know, uncover it, break it down? You know, what did you mean by that post?

I think— I don't know how far I can break it down. I think really just trying to change everything but yourself. Yeah, you can't, you can't do that. Like, don't change— you can't change state, can't change county, can't You can't, it's like you're chasing your tail, you know? It's just not possible. You can't change what happened, you can't change— what you can do is change what's happening now, you know? You can change yourself, you can change things around you, but really they're affected by how you think and act. It's not— I can't change my child, I can't change my— but the way that I react to her, the way that I treat her and Darren even, it's like, you know, I've learned that. I think that was probably my most valuable lesson. And again, it's not perfected. I just know, I know of it. I've owned it. Now execution time and more awareness. But everyone's reaction and how things unfold and happen, really, it's a direct reaction to how I treat them or how I act or how, you know. Yeah. So realistically going into this new year, you know, with the awareness and owning up to my shit, you know, just everything. Yeah. It's like, and I'll walk away from a conversation gone bad with one of my girls or something and Darren will look at me and he's like, you do know what went wrong, right? I'm like, yeah, yeah. I do, but I can't fix it. He's like, yeah, you can.

He's the calm, right?

Turn around and go start over. Go start over, you know. And I think it's just, you know, coming into this new year, just knowing you can't change, you know, the calendar and event, just yourself.

I love that. So since you brought up Darren, Darren is your husband, and you guys got married because I think you had just gotten married when I met you at Pro Physique. You know, you guys got married in New York, and I know that Darren is a trainer for Arizona Pro Physique. He works with professional bodybuilders, and I know he works with, you know, some everyday Joes and Janes too, you know. Tell me a little bit about what it means for the two of you to thrive as a couple, to do what you love together.

Um, you know, it, it means everything because we do well together. And I think I didn't really, I wouldn't say that I didn't realize that. I realized more how it affected other people when I started going into the gym because I worked there at the gym with him for a little bit, you know, and before that I thought it was just having fun with my best friend, you know, we really are best friends, which I think is amazing. And working out together and just family bike rides. And we just view it as having fun, you know. Yeah. And for a while before social media really was so big, we would be recording, and I think we would do more lives and stories weren't even a thing a few years back, you know, but just do lives of us doing facial roulette, bingo, some game that he made before he shaved off. But we would do all these things together And then in the gym, people would tell me, they'd come up to me, I didn't even know them. They were his clients or clients at the gym, like, oh my gosh, I love watching your guys' videos and your dynamics and you're so funny together. And, but to us, that's just normal, you know?

Right.

So being able to work with your best friend is, is truly a blessing. It's amazing. And we haven't started doing that yet. That's all part of what we have in the works right now, you know? But I think living like that already is what kind of pushed us into like, look, you do the physical part, you train people. I could, I know how, I watch you do it. Watched all his videos, watched all the Zooms. I understand, but I do the meal prep part of it, you know? And I've been doing his meal prep for the last maybe 9 years, 8 years now, 8, 9 years. Wow. Yeah. Not missing a day. All those years of meal prep. And I've never thought about it because I just do it like it's my wifely duty, you know? Realistically, it's a business and his clients need that and they ask for it. A lot of them ask for it. And I told him, I said, we just need to get this going.

Well, you know, let's, again, let's unpack that, you know, because I don't want you to just gloss over it like it's not a big deal. So when did you guys decide that you were going to do it? And tell us like all the details about that joint venture? You know, like, did you set goals for like, you know, January 1, boom? Like, what does that look like? How did that even come to fruition, even in more detail than what you just said?

Being in the gym all the time with him, I even had like, I had my Tuesdays and Thursdays. I was his client. Yeah, I was. I didn't pay. Just kidding. He's my free trainer. But I had, and I told him, I said, don't ever give my time away. I have to come in and work out with you Tuesday and Thursday at 9 o'clock.

Okay.

People would laugh about that. They're like, you train with your husband? Everybody, they're like, how can you train with him? How can you train her? And I said, I don't know. I like, we like being together. And yeah, you know, I come here and train with him just like you do, you know, and it's my time to work. Um, and then he's, he wanted to do, he started a website a while back, but I think wasn't pushed enough to like move it forward. So website started, got the name. So he's Carved, um, our business is Carved Fitness. So did all that, but it's just taken so long, like to get it moving because he's so busy as a personal trainer. He's still trading time for money with back to back to back to back clients in 30-minute increments from 4:30 in the morning until like 6, 7 o'clock at night, you know.

That's a long day.

And, you know, maybe a break here and there. Then with COVID and the gym closing, he actually got a taste of what it was like to stay home and work from home. So I think that was really the pivotal moment for so many people, but I think really for him because he had the time to invest in running an online business and training people online, where at the gym it was in-person training, you know. So experiencing that with him and setting up the Zooms and then he was doing, for the Pro Physique, he was doing, um, um, in this IGTV, I think for the gym, he would do live workouts for people to just keep the gym members going. Right. So I think that kind of showed him and showed us that you can work from home and still do what you love, still make money. And it's, it's easier probably to touch more people, the masses than just one at a time, you know? Um, and then as far as the meal prepping goes, it's a lot of people that he was training, especially online, because they weren't, you know, with him and chit-chatting about food while they're training. They would reach out for, you know, they would see him, his meals, or see me post. So then they started reaching out to me like, what do you do? Um, so just kind of marrying that together, I think with the COVID just, it's like, we can do this. We can totally do this. You don't need to go in. You don't need to trade all that time for money. The kids and I love having you home. You love being home. And yeah, we can do this. So we got a trainer. So that's where Jake comes in.

Okay.

And he actually does work for my company as well because I do direct sales. So he does direct sales as well, but he is, was a nurse at one point, and then he went into personal training, and then he went to a Tony Robbins event, and I think it was Business Mastery, and that was his pivotal moment to decide to start coaching and doing more. So his mindset is very Tony Robbins, so that's why I was kind of attracted to him as a Coach. And he was in my mastermind because again, you meet a lot of great minds in that arena. And that is how I met him. And he does Business Mastery and DreamBody.

OK.

So, Darren at that point is like, I don't want to have any coaching and I don't want another trainer to tell me what to do because I know what I am doing. I said, OK. But I kind of watched, you know, him struggle a little with like, I knew that there I just knew there was more. I wanted to level him up, like make him level up. You can't tell someone to do it because that creates problems. So, I set up a call with Jake and I told Jake it is because I wanted, you know, my dream body, life mastery thing going on. So, we thought we were signing me up and here is how sweet my husband is. He is ready to pay all that money for me to have my dream body. We are sitting here, the 3 of us, Zooming and I told Jake, I said, I have a personal training husband. So if I really wanted to step into my dream body, I would have done that by now. So I've had this for this long. It can wait another few months so we can get him going. And it just changed. And Jake's like, okay, so we're going to help Darren. I said, I want you to coach him everything you're doing, like how to do the business, how to level up his online business, how to like, you know, because there's more, there's just so much more to learn. Oh my God, contracts and this and that and programs. And Darren didn't have the time to, to do that. And I couldn't help him because I wasn't sure how he was running that because each person, he just keeps going, you know, like second nature. So I needed someone that did it to help him. And that's where the training to move us to the next level started just a couple of months ago. We have another 4 months left. So going into 2021, We created Kar Fitness Mind Body, um, because he already had the Kar Fitness. So he has online training programs now that he's going to start, um, working with more people online and eventually maybe just make that switch of having nothing but online clients, you know, Zoom, the programs, mentoring. It's going to include mentoring, mindset coaching as well. Meal prepping, all that that I do, what he does, we're going to incorporate it into one and then just help people like that through a program rather than showing up and trading that time for dollars, you know?

Yeah. Oh, that sounds so incredible, Pam. What would the meal prepping look like? Would that be something like, would you just like kind of like, here are your meals for the, this coming 3 weeks for the next 3 weeks, or Is it like going to be like a meal delivery kind of thing, like for residents in Arizona?

Um, it's more of the meal plans.

Okay.

And even I thought about doing more videos, YouTube videos, creating a channel or something to show people how to do it. Yeah. At one point, I really wanted to get into my other thing that, that I love is entertaining. Like, give me a charcuterie board, some wine.

So I saw that.

Like, that's my favorite thing. You saw my charcuterie board, it's like 5 feet long.

I did, I did.

It takes 2 people to move it. That's my thing.

Well, there you go.

That's my jam where I like, I shop and I love it. So meal prepping and stuff is just so fun, you know, for me. So also I learned in trying to start a business or dabble in the idea that I didn't like feeding the masses personally like that. If it was a family dinner, Thanksgiving, Christmas, you know, a weekend where people came over for cheese and wine, that's fine. But to make money off of it, it's a commitment that I was— I don't think I'm willing to do that. Like, God bless the people that have the meal prep service and do that. They have people helping them and then delivery. I don't want to, I don't want to do that. But my meal prep basically looks like portion, portion sizing, and everything is freezable and not in containers. I don't like like, um, the plastic container. Um, I'm not 100% environmentally friendly, but I do my part where I can.

Yeah.

And there's certain things that bug me, and it's just those black food prep containers really bother me. People like you, the average— I would be throwing away like 3 a day times 7 times 4, you know, just multiply. And it's— so I portion everything different. In small baggies. Okay, I've done it for so long I don't even weigh it. I know what everything weighs. I know. So I— my whole freezer looks like a library. Yeah, so you pull it out and everything is frozen. I freeze it flat, so my, my little baggie of rice is like that thin.

Nice.

But, um, everything's flat. I freeze it so you can stand it up and you just like, like looking through the catalog.

Wow.

Rice.

Oh, that's so cool. So like, so how long, like, do you meal prep like on Sunday and it lasts you for how long?

Um, because once you get a system down, which is something that's really, it's a learned thing, but when it makes sense, that's what I try to teach people on. When it makes sense and you get it going, it's just like a rolling food prep in your freezer. You never let yourself run out, like never. So I will look in the fridge just the other day and Darren had taken his last thing of rice. He still has sweet potatoes in there, but you want to have choices, you know?

Absolutely.

So I looked and I said, it was like 4:30, 5 o'clock in the morning. I said, oh, you're out of rice. I didn't realize that. And then he came home and I had made 30 bags of rice. So I was like, there you go. You know, because I just see when things are out and you just do it.

That's some serious meal prepping.

Yeah.

That's really cool.

I should have had to pick a little, show you how it looks, how my freezer looks.

No kidding. Because I'm so interested because I mean, you know, I, you know, I worked with one of the trainers from ProPhysique for like, you know, 6 months or so. And I learned meal prepping and everything. And, but I've never meal prepped frozen things. I've only just, you know, meal prepped on Sunday. I had enough to go through Thursday. Then we'd probably eat something sensible on Friday. I'd meal prep again on Saturday or Sunday. Girl, you are talking like for the month. That is incredible. I love that.

You know, when you pull it out and my freezer, you pull it out and half of it is protein, vegetables, carbs, and then I have a section for leftovers. So, it would be something that I didn't want to throw away, but I didn't want to freeze it for like my family didn't want to have it again. Darren, he will eat anything. He is like, just freeze it up. I will take it to work one day. He says, except for fish. I can't heat fish up at work. They will kill me.

Oh, it stinks. Good Lord.

So, he just like, it is all just ground turkey and different flavors, grilled chicken, Crock-Pot chicken, different types of vegetables, rice, potatoes. So, realistically in your mind, and you know how this works, you need a protein and you need a vegetable all the time. Then, the carb, like Darren will take 1 of the rice and break it in half because that is his carb serving for the day. We don't really weigh measure. It's just, I eyeball it because I've done it for so long. Those bags, you can't go wrong. And he knows, he's like, I don't want to have, I want to spread my carbs out and have some rice with this chicken and veggie and some rice with that turkey and veggie. And so he'll break it in half. So you just know, he's like 4 meals, boom, boom, boom, 4 proteins, 4 vegetables, 1 or 2 carbs, and off you go. And then they're all in bags so you can mix and match however you want. The thing is you just get it in, you know.

How do you stay so organized? I feel like you've got like a file system. You're like, oh, there's an LED that's out at Rice, or how do you stay so organized with all of this?

It's kind of OCD. Maybe a little OCD.

I'm blown away by this.

And I keep it, um, I buy ice bins. I have it on my Facebook, maybe a little further down if you saw, but at Target or Walmart they have those cheap ice bins that you have, the apartment freezers where they don't have an ice maker and you have to crack a cube, you know, just bend. And I have everything in those bins. So it's all separated by bins and all laid out. And yes, it's pretty, it's pretty cool. And you know, the best part with your family, like the kids, they come home and I would tell them, don't eat anything, like don't start digging through the snacks and all that crap. Go get something first. From the freezer. And because there's variety, it makes them want to eat it. If it was the same chicken, the same rice, the same, you know, green beans, they wouldn't even want to do it. So variety helps too. So the kids will go, Sammy will get rice, but she's not watching her weight. She, you know, she's all of 95 pounds, 6'5" because she's just a beanpole. Wow. She'll get the rice, but she puts butter in it and it's like sugar on it. And she's like, okay. But the point is they're not Pringles. So she's eating them.

Of course.

It's at least good, natural. It's not, you know, wow.

I'm so impressed with that. So very cool. So that's meal prepping on steroids.

I think so.

Yeah.

A lot of intuitive. You've heard that word now. It's, I have, intuitive eating. Everybody's intuitively eating.

Yeah.

Realistically, and I had someone ask me this today because they're doing a blog and they wanted some info about measuring macros and counting macros and all that. And that, for a lot of people, I found was another trigger for people that had body dysmorphia or past ED, was becoming obsessed over numbers. And yeah, so that's another reason why doing that meal prepping, nothing's really weighed or measured in its portions. Perfectly. If Darren is on a higher protein, then he is going to take 2 instead of 1. But you know, you take 1 vegetable, 1 meat, who cares? And I don't cook with anything in it except dry spices because adding condiments is where it kills you for a lot of people, right? You know, so I don't do that. So you can change your doctorate up yourself, but you know, like if I have eaten clean, pretty clean for like 3 or 4 days and Darren kids are like, hey, let's go to the movie and have butter popcorn. I'm like, yeah, hell yeah, I'll take some. Yeah, gotta go to Hardee's because that's my favorite. Yeah, you know, but, or let's go have pizza. And I don't know, I'm like, hey, I've eaten great for 3, 4 days, so what's one meal? And that's another thing we tell our clients, what's one meal, right? Don't make it a week, right? Have your one meal, have what you want, and then get back on track. A lot of people beat themselves themselves up and then they are like, "Oh, it is Friday afternoon. Screwed up, had pizza and ice cream. So, I will start again on Monday." There you go.

I know.

Start on your next meal.

The next meal, right.

And just keep going.

Yeah, I love that you brought that up with measuring macros. I recently got my nutrition certification with Precision Nutrition because I wanted it to be a supplement to my coaching because, you know, I want to help people with their health and wellness. I mean, I am not a trainer, but I can say, and so one thing that I love about Precision Nutrition is if, you know, the fist is like carbs, you know, the protein is your palm, you know, here is the amount of fat, your thumb, you know. So it's like, yeah, you're just eyeballing this stuff. And because of weighing food for so long, I can pretty much get pretty close to 4 ounces of chicken as well. So I love that.

So that's why it's a lifestyle.

Yeah, it is.

When you train your brain, it isn't hard.

Yeah, so very true. So something I'm curious about is— I'm not sure if I'm going to pronounce it correctly or not, but it's skinimalism. What is that? Skinimalism. Is that your new company?

No, the skinimalism is something that I posted. I think it might have been a hashtag or something. But it is the new wave moving into 2021 where people are wearing less makeup. Less filtering. So that's something you're going to see a lot of. And, um, the skinimalism post came from our new collagen elixir that was just released today, as a matter of fact. That's next level, 10 years in the making for this. Um, that's how long they've been working on it. But having the complexion, no filters, not having to look fake, um, very little makeup, and the look is you know, just not color, maybe some gloss, maybe, you know, some mascara and a clean face and just to be more natural. So I think it's skinimalism is what, what they're calling that. I came across a post about it as well.

Wow.

Okay.

Cause I was like, I wonder, okay. So see, you're just, I love that you just experiment and you explore. Are you ever afraid of failure? It's like, what if I try this and don't succeed? Does that cross your mind?

I used to be that way all the time. Fear of judgment, rejection, failure, you know, it's like, and I guess because of my parents, my mom always being judged or accused of something all the time. You can't, everything's judgment. So I think that kind of just made me to where I kind of feared that. So I'm very defensive when somebody would, you know, judge me or say something negative.

Of course.

Part of what I've learned in this last year, these last few months, is really to just, who cares, you know, and also put it on them because if somebody's going to judge me because of something I've said or done or they don't like the way I look, then I I told myself now, it's like, they're not mad at me. It's something that's going on with them. They have an issue. So, so they're, they're basically like using me or what I said or what I posted or how I look or whatever it is.

Right.

Because they have an issue with it in their own life that they're going to become, you know, that negative energy vampire.

Yeah.

Because it's them. So I have to look at it and say, It's not me, it's them, you know, and I'll help you if you need help with something or something I can do. But I'm sorry if I offended you, but maybe you should understand because I am.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, that's incredible. I love that. You know, it takes you a long time to get to that point as well, because that's something that I've had to overcome. And I know, and again, I saw that your word for 2021 is focus. And so, which is so cool, these things you want to focus on. My word for 2021 is bold because for that very reason, like when you're saying, you know, being worried about, you know, judgment and stuff. And for the majority of my life, I was worried about those things. And so the reason why my, my, my word is bold is because I said in 2021, I'm not going to hesitate. I'm not going to second guess my decisions. And if I don't want to do something, I'm going to say I don't want to do it.

Yeah.

So that all fell into the category of bold. How did you choose focus?

And I think just the last few months, because I really wasn't focused. I was focused on too many different things, focused on what other people thought, focused on what, you know, all that negativity that went down that we we had to be subjected to, and that left my house and continued. And it's okay, you know, you just bless and release. And I was so fixated on doing damage control, like, who heard what, what lies are being told, what this, what that, making sure my kids were, you know, okay with what they were going through. There was a family thing, right? Just so much damage control. Like, you know, I'm just all over the place. And even with personal development, in the beginning, I took on way too much because everybody, everything went virtual. And I don't think everything that was free, I didn't sign up for. I signed up for everything that was free. I have like one thing going on and Build Your Brand going on over here. And I probably 20 notebooks spiral notebooks, and the only way I can tell them apart is they're by date.

Got it.

You know, but I have to flip through, and what I found out was I was taking so many notes and learning that it got confusing because I was hearing one thing and then a little different variation over here. And even though it kind of made sense, but I'm like, well, this person says do it this way and this person says do it that way, right? And then it became to where I wasn't executing anything because it I got so confused over what I should and shouldn't do. They just stopped. I just stopped. I'm like, nothing, no more. I'll take days off social media, but I won't post just because I'm like, I need to get away.

I need to focus.

I need to focus on this upcoming week. I need to, you know, just worry about that. Because I think if you just deliver, uh, quality, it's a little better than just quantity. Doesn't mean anything, you know. And so I had to reel it, really reel it in. Brian Mayer also, he's another one of my mentors or coaches, he told me that. He's like, you're focusing on too many things and you gotta like think of it as like, you know, being the honeycomb. Yeah, you know, everybody comes back, you know, to the honeycomb. So you're just gonna be that and then You can provide value over here, here, and here, but you got to really focus on that because that's where the bees always come back.

Yeah. Oh my goodness. That's so good because I have a hard time, you know, cause I'm working with a business coach who was like, you got to post more, you got to post. And I was like, what? And so I only agree. And I said, I'll post 3 times a week. The rest of that stuff is stuff I don't want to do. And I was like, if I have to post that much on Instagram, Instagram, and you know, which I'm kind of over Facebook. So I'm just Instagram mainly. If I got to post that much, then that's not the business I want to have. I'm better with people one-on-one, not posting all this stuff, you know? So I totally get that. So, so just as we wrap up, when do you think you and Darrin, the business, will be ready and launch? What, what, what month can we look forward to? This sounds exciting.

Well, and this kind of spins off of what you just said, to be honest with you, having the social media part of it, like, like we can launch it today, and then just going at it on social media. But I too kind of like, I understand that you need it to promote yourself, you know, I also understand, you know, you do have word of mouth. That's how Darren's done his business all these last 8 years. Um, and posting results and stuff. So we're starting to do that. Darren's starting to do it more so on his stories and his— so he's ramping up his social media a little more, right? So you have two people, not just one, him and I. Neither one of us are social media experts, and neither one of us really like being consistent with it because we kind of stray off. So it's like a bumpy road for the two of us. So we can just start it now. So we'll just say The programs are up and running. We already have clients. Um, it's just getting them, um, you know, through the social media, because you can have people that are out of state, out of the country. Obviously that's how you're going to reach them on, right. On social media. So the programs are ready. It is Carb Fitness. It is on his personal page.

Okay. What if I, what if I just Google Carb Fitness? Would that come up? How can people like directly go there?

Well, the website isn't active. It's built, but our Business Coach said, he said, I don't even have a website yet. And he has, you know, if you're looking at people and their followers, like 80,000 followers on social media, killing it in his business. But I see that through his stories and his social media. He said, I don't even have a website yet because I don't want you guys to focus on that because it's one more thing you have to run until you get to the point to where if you need it, you can You can pay someone to manage it for you.

Okay.

Otherwise, realistically, this is from my business coach. The best way is the free platform that you have, which is social media, which is free advertising. And that's what you guys need to do. So it's really going to be on either Facebook on his, Darren DeSilvia, or on Instagram, it's Darren Darrin Fit.

Okay, I'll make sure I drop that in the show notes so that we have a link, a link in his bio.

I didn't put the link in my bio because technically I'm not Karv Fitness yet. So he's the personal trainer. So it'll, it'll unravel to where we're both really promoting the same thing. And I'm promoting Karv Fitness right now. I'm promoting him. And he's doing it because he's He's technically the one that's been training for 10 years and I'm doing that.

So yeah, find him on his and it's Carved Fitness, Carved Fitness, Carved baby, Carved Fitness. Well, Pamela, thank you so much. This conversation has been exceptional. I wait, I generally film my podcast on Fridays and every now and then the Friday doesn't work because people, you know, people's schedules and I go, okay, We'll go on Tuesday, you know, that kind of thing.

Yeah.

But I like to do it on Fridays because I feel like, again, because I only coach on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays. So those are my coaching days. Fridays is just for podcasting and marketing and stuff. But I love finishing my week off like you and I just went to happy hour.

Yeah.

You know, that's what it feels like. It feels like you and I just went to happy hour and we had a conversation. That, you know, was more than just, well, what are you drinking? You know, well, okay, what's your job? You hate your job? Yeah, girl, me too. You know, right. But I like, I love to go deeper with these conversations. So thank you so much for being on the podcast today. I wish you and Darren nothing but success, good fortune, you know, good luck with Card Fitness. And it sounds exciting. And I mean, it makes me want to go and click right now.

Well, go into, yeah, his Insta. The link is in there. It takes you to the Typeform. You can get, I mean, it's already up and running. So perfect. But thanks for having me on. It was really fun. I was nervous at first, but it was just like we're at happy hour. Exactly.

Exactly.

Try not to ramble because I'm a rambler, but I think I did okay.

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