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In this interview segment, the speakers discuss how digital transformation has shifted societies from singular, shared narratives—typified by small‑village life and common news sources—to a pluralistic information environment where countless individuals generate and consume stories simultaneously. The host reflects on personal experience moving from New Zealand to Europe, illustrating the hyper‑mobile, hyper‑connected world that fuels this change. They argue that the erosion of trust in experts stems from this multiplicity of narratives and that building a tolerant, pluralistic society requires a baseline of shared values—such as not harming one another and caring for the environment—while acknowledging that humans are not naturally equipped for profound tolerance of extreme differences. The conversation concludes that there is no clear roadmap for cultivating such tolerance, making it a major societal challenge.

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