In the final segment of the "New Leadership Models" podcast, host Virginie Glaenzer leads a round‑table wrap‑up with guests Céline and Charles. They recap the leadership frameworks discussed throughout the series—conscious, systemic‑relational, inclusive‑transformational, Sherpa, and servant leadership—highlighting the need to move beyond static categories. The conversation pivots to a re‑definition of power as a flowing current rather than a static currency, and to the importance of reclaiming one’s authentic voice and story as a source of personal power. Charles expands on modern masculinity, urging men to shed top‑down, "greedy" power‑over narratives and to adopt ecological metaphors (streams, bears, cacti) that illustrate inclusive, compassionate leadership. Speaker B connects these ideas to broader issues of workplace inequality, the early formation of toxic masculinity, and the concept of the "manbox" culture, emphasizing that reclaiming voice is essential for all individuals, not just those historically silenced. The hosts stress that meaningful change requires collective, action‑oriented effort rather than isolated conversation, and they commit to promoting each other's books and continuing the work. The segment ends with gratitude and a call to translate insights into concrete, inclusive actions.
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Well, I want to be mindful of the time. We could talk forever, but I want to thank everyone for this insightful conversation. And as we come to the end of the hour, I'd like to finish this discussion the way it began, with another tour de table. The intention for this podcast is to help each of us become the self-authoring leader of our own lives through meaningful action. Where now it's about action. Enough talking, let's go into the doing. So let's pass the mic and share any reflection that have emerged from our conversation or any last thoughts that you feel was left unsaid that you'd like to leave us with. And I'm gonna start to give a few, share some of the notes that I've taken so you have time to collect your thoughts. I really enjoy this conversation and exploring various models, even though there's always, you know, pros and cons in putting things in boxes. But I think the stage of evolution that we're in, it could be more beneficial than negative. So we talked about conscious leadership, systemic relational leadership, inclusive transformational leader, a Sherpa leader, and the servant leader. And I think one all these different models needs to be explored. I really enjoyed what you said, Celine, about the true power as where you found your true power through your voice, through activism, which is, I think, when we find our true voice, it is, it provides a sense of power. And then I really relate to what you said, Charles, around power is a current. It's not a currency. And I think that just that changes the worldview and the look that we— the way we look at power. So thank you very much from both of us, both of you. Charles, you want to share last thoughts, anything that has emerged?
Right.
Well, here, you know, here we come to the solstice and the new year. So this is an opportunity for me and for all of us to adopt some new ways, some new habits. And I'm really— I wrote down Céline's 3 pathways into new leadership, and I'm going to put those up on the wall. And I think inviting men in particular to join me in figuring out a way to let go and surrender of those greedy memes of top-down, power-over, win-lose ideas about our relational capacity, and to reclaim the 4- and 5-year-old, to reclaim, uh, the brown bear, to reclaim the, the, the stream, you know, all of those natural ecological metaphors of, of flowing and strength, and find ways to be more inclusive of your own inner parts, my own inner parts, our own inner parts, and to draw that circle of compassion and inclusivity way out beyond the self and into, you know, women, children, people of color, uh, BIPOC folks, folks from around the world, the natural world, the trout, uh, the, the, the fir tree, uh, the desert cacti, and see where you land when you draw that circle. How does that change your intentions? How does that change where you want to give your power away so that it flows like a current?
Wow, that's amazing. That's amazing. And, um, last thoughts for me. Well, I've been extremely, uh, happy to join this conversation, not least because it made me, um, uh, dive into a little bit into, uh, Charles, um, thinking. And I'm now extremely curious for his book. I think this work around masculinity masculinity, modern masculinity, is amazingly important. It's actually critical. I realize that in my, my own book, I talk about inequality at some point, and I bring my own experience as a woman in the workplace and explaining that inequality in the workplace starts much before, you know, in, uh, when, when we're, when we're kids. And I, I hadn't thought of the exact parallel thinking that you've developed, Charles, that toxic masculinity starts also very, very early, but it's all easily understandable. And so, no, I think it's a super interesting topic, clearly vital, vital, absolutely vital. And I took note of the manbox culture wording that you used. I thought that was really, really cool and really Yeah, again, super important. Another thing, Virginie, you spoke about, you used the word reclaim, reclaim our voice. I think, yes, absolutely, this is critical. And it does not only apply to the people who've been silenced, it applies to all of us because sometimes we tend to let our voice be, How can I say? We tend to speak the voice of our organization and believe it's our own, but in fact it's not. We need to see, to reclaim this little distance with the system we're in so that we can better see what part of the system we are reproducing that would not be, that would deserve to be changed instead. And reclaiming our voice as reclaiming our individuality, reclaiming what makes us different from one another. And because these are all assets, we need this diversity of this rich and diverse collectives rather than having yes men or yes women marching in line. That's not what organizations need today. This time is gone. So yes. Yes to reclaiming our voice. Yes to taking ownership of our stories and of sharing our stories. So that's what you do, Virginie, through this podcast. That's, Charles, what you do through your book, your other interventions. That's what I started doing 10 years ago through a blog and now through a book. And so it's all about reclaiming our story and not to impose it on others, but to be fully present with the whole of ourselves, to be whole, you know, not just a tiny surface of corporate soldier, you know, that's not what we need.
Exactly, very well said. And despite the heartbreaks that the world makes you feel when you look at a number of different behaviors or events, it is, I think, a wonderful time to be alive because there's so much we can change. And I think a lot of people are ready for change, and we need that collective support. We can't change by ourselves, whether it's one individual or small group, it is essential. So thank you to both of you for the books that are— we'll definitely promote them. And thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
And so thanks a million, Virginie. Thanks a lot, that was awesome.
