How To Manage A Wedding When Things Start To Go Wrong | Wedding Planning Q&A

Hi and welcome to Union Podcast. My name is Jamie Wolfer and I'm a wedding planner who absolutely loves to share how I got started and scaled my business to above 6 figures in this amazing and occasionally extremely competitive industry. In this podcast, I share the tech, tactics, mindset, and mistakes that got me to where I am today. No gatekeeping, no cloak and dagger, just full disclosure and a little humor along the way. So whether you're a planner or a solopreneur, my goal is for you to be a better business person than I ever could have been and support you on this journey. Let's dive into this week's episode. Today's episode is one of my favorite things in the entire world, and that is a live Q&A from one of our union mastermind calls. I know you're gonna love it. Take a listen. Um, how do I partner with a venue without asking to be their in-house coordinator? I still wanna grow my business without being tied down in an exclusivity contract. What are your thoughts on kickbacks?

Okay.

Uh, first of all, I just love that you're just, there's so much happening for you right now. This is insane. I'm so excited. Um, I would say that becoming a preferred vendor is a great way of handling that. Just say, just ask them if they would be willing to place you on their preferred vendors list, ideally at the top, right? Um, if I could be your most preferred event planner, like wedding planner that comes here, like that would be incredible both for you and for me, because then I get to know, um, this space super, super well, but also I have the autonomy of working with the client. To make sure they have everything they need, because as an in-house coordinator, your job description stops at the front door. So you're not contacting other vendors. You're not reaching out. You're not reading contracts. You're not trying to see if the caterer is cooking from a food truck. You know, those sorts of things where, um, an in-house coordinator, uh, sorry, a wedding coordinator and/or a wedding planner is poring over all those things. So really you could phrase it as it's in your best interest to have me as a preferred vendor because then I can still do all of my other stuff. The reason that we have such a good working relationship is because I do that other stuff. So if you brought me on as in-house coordinator, and I don't know if that's something that they've offered.

Yeah.

But, um, if you brought me on as that, then I would be limited in my capacity for what I would do. And then you would be the person paying me, not them.

Right.

Did they ask you to step on as an in-house coordinator?

So Not necessarily, but there's, uh, I've been just, you know, like going around little vendors in the area, venues in the area, and I found one particularly that is kind of getting started and they have more than they can handle. And I'm like, happy to help, just let me know how, happy to help. Just kind of landed it softly. And then I showed up at one of their events and they're like, oh, it's you again. I'm like, yeah, I told you I'm here, I'm available. Um, but then they were— the way that they were talking about it was like, we'd love to just bring you on. And I said I'd get back to them because I didn't— I don't really want to be brought on. Um, so I just didn't know how to respond, and I want to respond in a timely way but didn't know how.

And now they're new, right?

I would say so.

Like, this is screaming that they're there.

Yeah, like they're doing bees and everything else, tapping trees, but As far as a wedding venue goes, that's new for them.

Okay. So that, like, as you're sharing this information, they're realizing that they're in over their heads, right? And they're treading water trying to figure this out. The best thing that you could do is guide them through this from a voice of, uh, like an expert, an expert in this general category. So I would encourage them, I would say the best way you could protect yourself is to require a day-of coordinator. You can then have a preferred vendors list, including a day-of coordinator. I would be happy to be on that list. If you wanna push me to the tippy tippy top, I will be here all the time. But the best way to protect yourselves is to require that. You also should require that, you know, they have been in business for a certain amount of time. You can ask for references for new planners just to make sure. Um, and then make sure they have a certificate of insurance. So that's how you as a venue protect yourself. And then you're not like, yeah, so my rate is X and X, you know, so dollars an hour and this is how much I'll charge you. But instead you're giving them the information that they need to make better decisions as a wedding venue.

Right.

And you might get some pushback of— because I've heard, well, we don't want to require that. And I'm in my mind, I'm like, give it 6 months, give it 6 months, and then you'll be like, never mind. Especially some of them will then get to a point where they require a business license. So it's not just like your auntie who's like throws really bomb birthday parties, who's showing up but is also eating her dinner, like enjoying drinks and this kind of coordinating.

Yeah. Yeah.

How does that feel? Does that feel like a response you could take back to them?

Yes, um, except I don't have a business license, so then that puts me in the auntie group.

Well, no, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. You don't have to say that part necessarily. And also, getting a business license is very easy. Okay, okay, it's very easy. Um, you can just go to your local city and it's, it's literally you fill out— I think for me it was a single piece of paper— and then submitted it to the city, and then I received a business license.

Okay, okay, that was one of my— I guess it was one of the other questions. I know I felt like I submitted like 15 questions. Um, no, you're fine. I feel like one of the other things is, you know, I hired a part-timer and I really like how she's working and she's great. And I'm like, husband, I think you're going to join the team soon, just letting you know. And I want to bring her on full time, but it's like, can I even have an employee if I'm not registered as a business? I'm just kind of here like, here are my services, book me. So I don't know.

Well, it depends state by state. I know that California a couple of years back had this situation where they wouldn't allow people to be considered independent contractors unless they did it independently and also perform the service for you. I think that's California specific from what I understand, but I would say you need to check your local, you know, county and/or state regulations on that. In a situation like this, I would say they should be an independent contractor. Of course, if you want to take this through a business attorney and run it through, because I am not that, but that's how we did it. We did independent contractors, uh, because it made more sense. It provided them the flexibility, but they still got the pay that they needed and deserved for the role, right? And then they could still do, you know, regular 9 to 5 as well. I'm only mildly embarrassed to admit that in the beginning, I printed out every single piece of paper, every single contract. I took handwritten notes and created a binder for every single one of my wedding planning clients. Now, in theory, that sounds really cool, uh, and I thought I would look really cool showing up to these meetings with these binders that are full of all of these contracts with handwritten notes. But let me tell you, the chaos that ensued when I tried to stay organized on my own and got over 5 events at a time, it was a nightmare. Enter HoneyBook. I'm telling you guys, HoneyBook was literally exactly how my brain was processing wedding planning, but just in digital form. It's so easy to go in there and make any sort of customizations that you want, from adjusting your contracts to adjusting your packages, maintaining conversations back and forth that not only pop up in the app on the website, but also in your inbox as well. It's a great way to stay organized. So get out of the paper and get onto the digital. Head to wolferandco.com/hb and use code UNION at checkout to get the best deal. We interrupt this podcast because there is something extremely special that I want to share with you guys. Uh, I don't know about you, but for the last who knows how many years, I have been using a Frankenstein Googled, copied and pasted contract. And while that is extremely embarrassing to admit to all of our listeners, I know that there are people out there who feel the same as I do. And there were a couple things that kept me from actually getting an attorney-drafted contract. Actually, no, there was one thing. It was so expensive and it seemed so out of reach. That's when I learned about LegallySet. You see, Koon B with LegallySet has created industry-specific contracts for people like you and me working in the wedding industry. They're easy to customize. They're drafted by an actual attorney and not Googled. Can you imagine that? And last but not least, they are so extremely affordable. So if you were like me and maybe using a less than appropriate and/or legal contract, it's time to step up your game. You have no more excuses. Head on over to theunionpodcast.com/legallyset to check them out. Use code UNION for 20% off your contracts.

Yeah, that was the piece I was kind of stuck up on because I'm like, oh, well, 1099, that's very— isn't that project specific? And now it's—

uh, I don't think we've ever treated— I don't think we've ever treated it as project specific. We've used it as independent contractor services.

Okay, but anyway, double check.

So do you have enough hours to sustain her at a regularly hour hourly rate, um, from week to week? Or is it just like, I want to make sure that you stick around because I love the way you handle weddings?

That's it. That's the thing, because she's only doing— she's only doing maybe 5, 7 hours a week. So it's like, can— is she even— I don't know. I don't know. It's 5. She does 5 hours a week regular, and sometimes she's like, hey, I kind of need to like get this done. Go ahead, do your thing. So yeah.

Well, then I would set up a contract with her. I think a contract would be the best way to put this together. Honestly, have ChatGPT help you toss that together, Google it, whatever it happens to be. Put together an independent contractor contract for 5 to 10 hours a week. What are the terms and conditions? What does that look like? Um, you know, if she wants to leave, what does that exit process look like, etc.? And then basically she's signing on for 1 year at this amount of dollars per hour. At this many hours per week to be increased if both of you approve. And then at the end of that year, you revisit it and go, okay, how you feeling? Do you like this amount of hours? It feels like we keep pushing it to 10 hours a week. You know, do you want this next contract to include 10 hours? So that way you're protected and so is she. And then she has that comfort of that continuity for you, or from you, I should say.

That feels good, actually. Okay. Okay.

And then it could be, um, you have an addition or an addendum to your contract that says if and when weddings occur, those will be at this rate for typically this amount of hours, etc. So some sort of, um, addendum should you want her to continue to do weddings with you, which I'm assuming you do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, she's kind of shown interest in like How do I, how do I help you? Can I be an assistant for the wedding? Because she was purely admin, um, but she's, she's good at what she does. She's a photographer, like, on a regular lifestyle influencer. So I'm like, um, you have a great eye, I really like your stuff, do you want to help? And I know her vision is, is amazing. So now she's like, I'd love to help assist you, and I'm not going to say no. But I also don't feel qualified to train her.

So—

Oh, let's see that. What do you mean?

What makes you feel like you're not qualified to train her? Ooh, Mikey's hitting it.

Yeah, I just feel like I don't have enough experience under my belt.

Sure.

I feel like I have resources, I have access. To you, great mentor, but like, how do I translate that into something that someone can say, oh yeah, Justine is a resource, or you know, Lilz Memories is a resource for me to learn and then possibly do whatever she wants to do with it. I just don't know how— can I do that? Can I put that together for her?

Yeah, I feel like there's two ways you can learn. You can learn from someone who's been doing it for a long time, or you can learn from someone who's two steps ahead of you.

Right?

Like, oh, I just learned this, right? Let me, let me walk you through it. I'm not gonna be a total expert on this cuz I'm not. Now, of course, if you're in a boss, you know, employee or independent contractor situation, you don't wanna show your hand too much, right? Be like, I don't know what I'm doing. Although I, Rebecca's on this call. She has probably heard me say like, I don't know what to do. I'm gonna be so, I don't, I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing right now. So, okay. So I think that self-effacing can come across just fine without having you lose your, your cool factor necessarily. But you are two steps ahead. So, hey, I actually learned this recently at an event. If we don't put the reserved seating cards out like 45 minutes before the ceremony starts, then everyone's just going to kind of go in there and some people might sit there. So just as an FYI, we really want to make sure that we get these out there early.

Yeah, right.

Because I just learned this the hard way. That doesn't mean I have this fact memorized. And also we would always close out events with, okay, what did we do well? What went well? What went wrong? What could we improve on next time? So we constantly had this culture of let's talk about the mistakes. And we found oftentimes it wasn't necessarily we screwed up, it's that we couldn't anticipate something happening because we'd never seen that before.

Yeah.

So that spirit really creates a conversation around, um, continuous improvement. And so you are not coming from a place of, I know everything, I'm going to teach you everything I know. And instead it's like, here's what I got. After-event debriefs are the best. They really are. So we could be like, oh my gosh, that DJ. Yeah. Or this was like, we're all buzzing, we're like on a high and it's so fantastic. Um, so I would encourage you to, to really, um, hopefully sit with and recognize within yourself that you are several steps ahead of her. She's never done this before. She's gonna look at you and be like, oh my gosh, this is a bona fide wedding planner.

And you're gonna be like, Am I? I don't think so.

But you still know probably 75% more than she does. I would wager that you might even know 100% more than she does because she's never done this before, right?

Okay, okay. All right, I'll have to—

you know, your husband's been— who's been working the events with you? Well, Yeah, how'd you like that?

Yeah, I did a couple myself, but the other one I asked a friend to do. She was like, one of my friends, I'm like, you want to make some money? She was like, okay. So she just jumped in and helped me. She's currently with child, so she's not, she's not doing that, although she wants to. Um, yeah, so it's just been me. It's just been me. Okay. And I noticed that— I'd like to bring her on. So I have some—

I noticed that your next, your next question, I'm gonna go ahead and read this one cuz this is the perfect segue. I recently did a wedding where multiple point people for the day changed on the day of the wedding. I shared my number, but in the heightened stress I'm sure they were feeling, they didn't use my number or respond to texts/calls. Do you have a, a go-to walkie-talkie with earpieces that are long distance? They missed several cues. While I don't think anyone else noticed, I just never want that to happen again. Talk to me about this wedding.

Man, I mean, first of all, I definitely should have had an assistant for the day. That's one, because it was, it was a lot. I was setting up in two different spaces. I was running around. One of the people who was supposed to bring decor or flowers to the hotel decided they weren't coming to the wedding. So thankfully, yeah, I'm just not coming. Okay, it's fine. So I, at the top of the first— yeah, yeah. And I'm like, okay, I'm in another state that's not mine and I know nobody, so it's me. That's, that's who, that's who it's gonna be. So I gave all the, like, the family, the wedding party, my number. I said, under no circumstances do I want the bride to be texting me, asking me what's going on every 5 minutes. So I'm relying on you, basically. Um, so it was the best man who told me, hey, don't tell her, they're not coming. I'm like, thank you, thank you for telling me. I'm gonna give you a call, get the info. I got the info, brought it to the hotel, um, and just left it downstairs because I didn't want her to see any or read me in any type of way. So I just delivered it to the best man. I said, "Thank you very much. I'll take this stuff, you take this stuff." And it was a constant transfer. But yeah, that was one. And then the audio guy at the church who was supposed to be, you know, playing the music for the ceremony— and yeah, he just—

minor details—

he came and left and said, "This guy's actually gonna do it today." Okay, the guy we didn't rehearse with. Okay. So that's fine. Um, he's very sweet, very sweet guy, but he just didn't know what he was doing. So he's like playing it from his phone. He's like, do you have the Wi-Fi? I do. I hope you're not playing it from Wi-Fi, but I do have the Wi-Fi. And he was just very kind, but he was in the back and I was over here with the bride. And so the chapel is in between, and he's looking around for a cue And I'm like— I have to run outside of the church to go to the side door to let him know no, no, no, no, no, no, no! Play the music! Like please play them. And it was like thankfully I told the groom to like slow down, like walk in slow, take your moment. He wanted to do some extra stuff so I'm like relish in that moment. Yeah yeah yeah.

Go so slow.

This is your time. Yeah. And I ran out and I said, as soon as he is done, I'm closing the door and I'm opening it. That's your cue. He's like, okay. But that— I never want to do that again.

It was too—

it was too much. I'm like, I should not have done this myself. I should have had another way to communicate if someone just decides not to show up. So that was— that was stressful.

Okay, she did toss the link for— yeah. It's one of those bizarre random long links for Amazon, but these, this is, these are my walkie-talkies that I've used for so many years.

Perfect.

Thank you. Um, they, they go long enough for what she's talking about.

Okay.

Um, and I would even go as far as to occasionally pass off a walkie-talkie to a photographer if they're like jumping on a golf cart and going off and driving to take, um, first look photos. They just take this with you and then radio me when you're on your way back. And they're like, oh, I gotta walk you?

Like, yeah.

Yeah, it's just because I want you to feel special and not at all because I'm controlling and need to know exactly what you're doing when you're doing it. Because you're right, people aren't paying attention to their phones.

Right, right.

So, so in a situation like that, I typically would actually have an assistant stand next to the DJ or have a cue near the DJ. And you're like, I know you don't have to add insult to injury, but if anyone's listening to this, this would have been that opportunity where it would have been your assistant going to pick up that stuff. While you can stay, especially if you're setting up in two different places, right? And then at least your assistant could go over and with those walking in the earpieces have handled some of that. And I know you know that, but hopefully someone else. Yeah, I'm not just saying you should have someone extra with you because I like you spending your hard-earned money and I don't believe that you can do it by yourself. That's not the case.

It's necessary. It's necessary. Like there are times where it's like I can do this myself, but there are other times where I strongly recommend. So that was my moment last weekend. So that was fun.

Oh, how else had the rest of the event go?

Pretty well. A couple hiccups, but like, it was a great couple. They were very understanding. At one point they did their— they did their reception at a restaurant, um, and so that's where I had to use my catering background. Because the chef was— the chef was upset and he was late on food. And so I just had to go back. I mean, chefs are always upset, let's be honest. They're always mad. But there was so much going on and the restaurant was open also, so he's catered to everyone. Oh yeah, the manager was like not the person I thought I was going to be talking to. He was very kind, you know, hey, we need this, we don't have this AV for their setup. I'm like, I have one, I'll bring it. But okay, good to know, good to know. Um, so I just felt like there were a lot of times I had to step in. I had to step in and say, what, what is the, what is the plan for food right now? Do you have bread? Do you have salad? Where is the owner? Like, we need drinks flowing, we need this. Do you have a snack? Do we have an opportunity? It was a lot of that, and I felt like I was leading— I was leading two things at once. So that was another reason where I felt like I should not be doing this by myself.

I shouldn't be coordinating and running Expo, basically.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the chef was grateful, the team was great, and they were grateful, but It was a lot. It was a lot.

Yeah, yeah.

Other than that, it was good.

Good. You know, other than the person who's supposed to deliver the stuff just randomly not attending the wedding at all whatsoever. Literally never heard of that in my life.

Yeah, yeah.

Other than that, and then you setting up two different locations and the chef throwing a hissy fit, and obviously that not going well, and then the DJ or the MC or the, the church, the church AV guy Yeah, just randomly. Oh gosh, we actually had that happen with a wedding once where, um, the bride had a very specific time, very specific time. We practiced it like 7 times that she wanted to walk out at this moment. She want the doors open at this moment, and we practiced multiple times. And it was the AV guy— well, it was a different AV guy day of— and I was like, oh shoot.

Yeah, yeah.

And so I was like, hey, you need to start it at this moment, right? At this moment. But we didn't plan for one thing, and this was like a couple years ago, so I like— I've been doing this for a long time. Yeah, we didn't plan for how slowly the grandparents would walk.

Um, the grandpa.

And so what ended up happening is the whole song, the whole song played and restarted again because I didn't know the grandparents were walking. I went through the whole list with her and I was like, it's gonna be fine, it's gonna be great. Next day she's like, oh, by the way, grandparents are walking. I was like, oh, by the way, that's great. I love last minute information. And so then it gets to the ending of the song and she doesn't want to walk yet. And so, but the people open the doors, like, I'm, I'm like trying to get them to stop. So she's just standing at the back of the church. Oh hey, in silence. As this AV guy is scrambling to try to scrub forward on the song and press play for her to walk. And I'm just— I'm just— everything is sweating. No, I feel like I'm gonna puke. And she's just— she's like, no, I'm having my moment.

And I was like, get it.

I like— I totally understand. Maybe take a step back though, and we can close the doors, and then you could try it all over again. But like, nope. She was like, I will wait here, it's fine.

Okay. Okay, well then we do it then.

So the moral of the story is, if your couple has a very specific part of a song that they want, just double check. Yeah, that, uh, that the, the AV person will be the same person the next day, otherwise you have to run through that again.

Yeah, it's actually one of the things I'm not concerned, but very much thinking about— I have a wedding this weekend, and I won't forget it. Her cue was 2 minutes and 7 seconds. And so I am— I'm like, how are we gonna know at 2 minutes and 7 seconds? Like, she's not doing a rehearsal. And she's very sweet. Love her, love her, love her. She, she actually knows you, so that was interesting. She's like, I was in her class. I was like, no way, no way. Yeah, yeah, so I'm like, that's good. I was like, I'm in her class too. So she was like, I feel like I'm in good hands. So that was— that was—

who was it?

Um, her name is Kim, but that's so cute. That rings a bell. But super sweet wedding this weekend, and that's her— that's like one of her cues, and I just don't know how it's going to happen, truthfully. Sure. She had a whole plan outside, and now it's going to rain, 80% rain. So I just— I don't see how it's going to happen. So I'm a little worried, to be honest. I think I am worried. I'm going to say I'm worried because I don't think she's letting go of what she wants, and I don't think it's going to happen that way. So I feel like I'm troubleshooting in my mind, like, how can I think of some other way to make this beautiful and communicate it? Before the day so she can accept it beforehand.

Yeah, I would. Well, one, just as like a, a kind of a, a blanket disclaimer, I do genuinely discourage couples from trying to do at this precise moment, do this, right? Um, because that sort of precision, it requires a team. Um, and it requires a very competent DJ, which I'm not saying that most DJs are not. I'm just saying like you need that level of precision. You need a DJ with the walkie-talkie saying, "Starting now," and then you start a timer on your phone, and then you can see when it's coming up. You also should probably listen to the song multiple times beforehand so you can recognize that crescendo, so you can get ready for that. So it requires like probably an hour of just dedicated, very intricate communication, listening, timing, those sorts of things where, um, so it— for most of the budgets that I work, we don't really have that that level of team or that level of DJ necessarily. So I try to discourage it. You're already there, so like, what do we do then? I would go with some of the suggestions that I have.

Also, it's a live band, let me just say that. It's not a DJ.

Live, that's better. Okay, that's better because if I'm assuming people are processing before her, it's just two people. Okay, so 2 people and it's 2 whole minutes for 2 people and then she comes out.

So she undecided if, um, the officiant is going to walk down. She wants him to walk down. Mom's going to walk down and then her groom is going to walk out from around the house and wait for her at the top of the aisle. And then she's gonna come down, and then they're gonna walk down together.

That is not 2 minutes.

It's not.

Okay, so then you talk to the live musicians and say, like— and there's no rehearsal, correct?

No.

Okay, say, when I cue you, can you smoothly transition into this part of the song? It's, it's literally a thousand times better that it's live music, you know what I mean? So when you see the groom get to this point, can we jump ahead to this point to get the prep built up for right before she walks out?

Okay.

Can you get their information beforehand and email them and/or call them about this to communicate?

Yeah, I mean, I have their info. What I'm concerned about is they're like, like, they're like violinists, and like, I don't know that they can do— I'm gonna communicate. Oh, they absolutely can communicate it.

Oh, they, they absolutely can find a way to smooth, especially if they can practice. Oh yeah, live musicians can absolutely do that. It's going to be night and day. I thought we were working with like a track song that you like— no, you know, have to— you would literally have to wait. In a situation like this, there's— I just cannot imagine that it's going to take 2 minutes for 4 people.

Yeah, and I, I feel like I'm actually gonna— I'm gonna say let's let the music play a little, maybe something else happens. Sure.

As long as you have the visual cue with them of like, hey, if once groom gets here, start at this point, start with enough time for 20 seconds to get to that crescendo for when she walks out, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

And if that means that you're walking the venue and you're walking around the house or walking around the building or whatnot, with an actual timer to try to figure that out day of, or earlier if you are there. Yeah, rehearsals, you're not there the night before. Um, live musicians are very flexible.

Okay.

I'm so sorry.

Yeah, it's one of those— it's— she's so sweet. She's so sweet. And she didn't— she, she couldn't afford like My rate. And she was like, I, I need somebody, so I will book you for 3 hours. I don't want to talk about it. I only want you for 3 hours. I only have the musicians for 1 hour. That's all I have. And I'm like, okay. And this is at your house. I'm like, okay, I'll do it. But that's also— I am, I am only there for 3 hours. I'm only there for 3 hours, so there's not much walk around the house and do this. And like, I get there, it's go time. I need to do as much as possible for her and then leave because they're leaving the house and it's their house, so everyone must go. So that— it's— that's giving me a little— I don't know what the word is, but anxiety. I don't know.

Sure. Yeah, I think that, uh, I think you'll feel a lot better when you talk to the musicians.

Yeah, okay, okay, for sure.

Um, because I mean, I come from a background of music, so I'm telling you with full certainty they should absolutely be able to find a way to flex and, you know, skip over an entire verse if they need to. Yeah, have to play absolutely everything.

Come to measure 26, please. Right, exactly, exactly.

Let's just bring out the sheet music and like mark off what they should not be doing.

Okay, okay, good.

All right, now that's an interesting one. So you're only working there for 3 hours and then they're leaving afterwards. Are they leaving for a reception elsewhere and they're just doing the ceremony there?

Yeah, yeah. And she just wants that— the house piece to go smoothly because they initially were just— they weren't going to do a wedding, they were just going to do a party at a, like, a restaurant. And the restaurant handled everything, someone else paid for it, so they didn't have to think about it. But now they're like, no, let's do something. Family is they're dying, let's do something special. Um, and that's all they could afford. So it's like 5 hours at the house and she broke up who she wants there at what time.

So, I mean, hey, at least she has some training.

Yeah, yeah, right? I mean, she had Timeline Genius. She was like, uh, I'll share you in my Timeline Genius. Okay, all right, cool.

We love to see it.

It's great. It was great. So I'm excited. But that's, that's good. I'll communicate with the musicians.

Yeah, I hope that you get off the call with them or receive an email back from them and they'll be like, oh yeah, it's fine. And just the whole week is lifted off.

Yeah, yeah.

Because then they can take the visual cue of when the groom gets to this point, you know? And I think all you would need to know, generally speaking, is how long it would take the bride to get to that point. To meet up with the groom. Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does.

So you don't— you don't need to do a ton of walking around is all I'm saying.

Yeah. Also, their rain plan is not the same as their dry plan, so it's in a completely different space. So that what the cue I gave them was, when he is at the top of the aisle, that's the cue, because that's, that's like the only for sure thing.

Great. Love it. Yeah, great. Um, I don't think it's impossible. I don't think it's insurmountable. I think become besties with the musicians and it should hopefully alleviate some of that for you. Okay, that's all we have for this week's episode, guys. If you enjoyed it, do me a favor, screenshot that episode and share it on socials. Tag me in it. I would love to see Wolfer and Co on Instagram. Let me know if you're enjoying it. You can also let me know if you didn't enjoy it, but I'm probably not going to reshare that one. I hope you guys enjoy this week's episode, and we'll see you in the next one.