Virtual Autism & Stimming?

Hey, everyone, today in this live, just gonna talk about some things about virtual autism. And this term has become quite popular, especially. I made a. A video about this, I think around like six months, like half a year to like nine months ago. And basically there has been a lot of people following up with me and saying, yo, man, I. I think the stuff you were saying is happening to my kid, whatever. And I just want to say I. I see that, you know, people are still coming on, but if you're watching this on a recording, which most of you do, the thing about this virtual autism is that no one knows anything, okay? Just remember that no one knows that anything, okay? And I just came out of a fresh discussion with parent this afternoon, my afternoon, and we just wanted to. I just wanted to make this video and talk about this, you know, as a. As a speech therapist. Because the reason why. And I'll be very clear about why I started to talk about virtual autism was because during a zoom call that we had a private zoom call, a parent was like, oh, does screen time cause autism? Or like this, the screen time cause speech delay? And me and another person who was. Who is someone who was on the spectrum, she said, oh, no, dude, screen time doesn't create autism. People are born autistic. So after that call, I realized that a colleague of mine was on the call and she whatsapped me and she said, jude, Ming, look at these. Whatever. Well, look at these articles about virtual autism, right? So I didn't know where she was going. I felt it was a little bit unprofessional to do, like to tell me that. But at the same time, I looked into it and I thought, I think there's a lot of things going on that people are skipping into conclusions too fast because virtual autism is not a real diagnosis. If you watch the video that I talked about it, I was not endorsing the term. I was saying how it was something that we needed to continue to look into. And it's definitely not the same. Like, it could be mutually. It. What I mean is it could happen together, right? So. And then a different instance was that there was a parent who had the opposite. The. An opposite opinion. She was like, telling me how, oh, can you show me some studies about how screen time will. Will create or would cause. Cause speech delay? Because I think so or whatever. And she asked for, like, research. So I gave her some. And I said, dude, there. There's not enough data to give you a conclusion. That's. First of all. Second of all is that, you know, it's this is not like a health issue either. Right. I'll certainly, it's like, you know, it's something within DSM 5, which is a mental health thing. But I wouldn't say it's a health issue per se. And even for like, excuse me if I say this right, and, and this is where I got. The parent got really angry with me. And you know me, I just, I'm a very different person from what, what you would see on the Internet when you type speech therapist. You know, I'm saying I'm not a white lady who's a mom as well. I'm not, I'm just, I'm just a dude who, this is my job. And I told her, look, the matter of fact is even for like smoking a cigarette, like being a smoker and having lung cancer, it's not causation. Right. It's still correlational. Obviously we know it's not good for the body to smoke so much. Yeah. And we can't say it caused it. It's a correlational study that is, has a strong evidence behind it, but we can never say it's causing it because you'll see a lot of, quite a bit of people, especially in Hong Kong who are in the 80s and 90s who are still smoking and their lungs are, I wouldn't say they're healthy, but they have no cancer. You know, so at the end of the day we cannot like draw conclusions like that. And a lot of parents out there are certainly saying things that are too certain. And I don't want, what I don't want is that, you know, like some of the, some of the videos or the content I create or the, the stuff that I, I tell you guys becomes like a self fulfill, self fulfilling prophecy. Right? Because you're searching for signals, you're looking for the ones that are saying what you're thinking. And then therefore that's something that you're looking into. And remember a long time ago I was like, I always say it on, on agents of speech.com, right. I always say, whether on YouTube or Facebook or whatever, you're seeing me, I say, look, that diagnosis, the label doesn't matter, Right. If you look at virtual autism and what the experts saw, experts, no one knows anything. This is not a real term yet. Right. Whether it will become a real term or not, I don't, I don't know, I don't care. Right. If you look at the, the remedial, the therapy techniques, the whatever techniques that they're talking about are exactly the Same as treating any, any old person, any old speech delay, language delay, autistic adhd, like just in general, someone who's lacking in language development. So why is it that we have to put a term upon it? Right? That's my point. Don't care about what, what it is. Don't think. Oh, because, you know, like, oh, I hate, like, what I hear a lot, especially in my, in my field of work is that the parent comes up to me and says, I think they're wrong. Like, I think they're wrong. They're giving me slapping a label on my kid. And I feel that that's stupid. Right? Of course it's stupid. But at the same time, think about, like, don't get paralyzed by that. Go, go ahead and start doing the stuff that people recommend. Right? And the, the advice is so generic that I feel like, I feel nauseous from hearing it. You know, it's so generic that it could, this could be anything. Like if you cover up virtual Autumn, if you cover up, you know, some of the websites that you see, you cover up that word. It could be a website about speech delay, language delay, you know, adhd, like just good old autism. It could be about anything. It could be just about, like how to promote language development. That's all. Okay, so let's distill what virtual autism might be to its crux is that a child unable to learn the ways of communication because of prolonged screen time. Okay? And basically what I said in the, in my video, if you search on, on YouTube or Facebook, that you put agents of speech and then you put like virtual autism is my, my thesis and what I've been reading is that, look, we're all addicted to our digital devices, right? And you know, like the chemical called dopamine, right? Dopamine. You, I mean, everyone's been hearing it so far. If you haven't, maybe you've been living under a rock or maybe your algorithm on your, on your phone hasn't been like telling you to stop using your phone. Right? Well, dopamine, dopamine is something that, it helps someone. It's a, it's a reward type of drug. Not drug, sorry. It's a reward type of signal in the brain. So whenever you do something a dopamine hits and you want to do it again. And the, the faster this comes, right, the more frequent your behavior becomes. Okay, so it's a reward thing. So it's an instant gratification through a phone. You see, like on Instagram, tick tock, YouTube, whatever you swipe up. That's why like short form videos on like TikTok are taking over. Like if you're watching this on YouTube or Facebook, thank God you're watching a live from, like from me instead of scrolling like short videos, right? And the reason is because the shorter the cycles become, the reward cycles become the, the more addictive it will be, right? So if you think about that, you put that kind of device onto child's hand, what's going to happen? They're going to become crackheads, right? Without better term, they're going to be addicted. They're going to be, it's going to be hard to take it from them. And they don't want to communicate with you because why would they play with toys when they have something even better? Why would they talk to you when they have something even better, right? Why would like humans are always wired like all animals are wired to do, like to be rewarded, right? There was a study about how you put a pigeon instead of a cage. Sorry for using animals as, as a way of telling you, but listen up. Our, our brains, right, the frontal cortex, where we have our inhibition, we learn about how to think, how to use verbal reasoning, how to use language to negotiate, to communicate and have social interactions, whatever that is, right? A lot of it is to do with like here, the front part, right? When this is not developed, what, what's going to happen? The, the reptile brain, okay? The reptile brain. That's like the brain stem, whatever the, the small. I forgot, forgot the names, okay? I'm not neuroscientist, I'm not a biologist. In fact, I hate that, that subject. But it's in following me since, since secondary school, it's that when this doesn't even develop and you give them something so addictive, it's going to trigger their brain and a pigeon in a cage, you give them a button that gives them food. Even if they were full, they would still be pecking at the button like a crazy person, right? So given that this information, what I want you to think about is to. Don't think, don't think. It's because of screen time. Screen time is a risk factor, right? Is a huge risk factor that's affecting all of us, okay? And because of this new invention that we've. Humankind has made, whether you like it or not, well, thanks to Steve Jobs I guess, right? Is that if you give it into the hands of someone who cannot even manage their own like diaper situation, right? They don't even know, don't even know how to eat. Right. They don't even know how to talk yet. Then how do you think they're going to manage their screen time? You're the person who needs to do it. And because of that strong reward, they're not incentivized to talk to you. They're not incentivized to play with toys. They're not incentivized to develop language the typical way. That's the word. Whether your child has virtual autism or not is not the matter that you need to take into consideration right at, at this moment in time. Yes. Like, it's, it's like, let me go back to the smoking and the lung cancer thing. You see really old guys who are smoking and they're totally fine. Right. I mean, you, you must know someone who's really old and they're still smoking and they haven't yet, you know, been diagnosed or whatever. Right. So the other, that, let's, let's say the other part is also true. You also see a lot of kids out there sitting in restaurants watching Coco Melon, but they speak just, just like an adult. Right. How can they speak so fluently if there's so much screen time? See, screen time is a risk factor. If your child is predisposed to have some sort of language development issues, which we don't know the reason why, then it's going to, it's going to magnify the problem. And maybe we will put a term called virtual autism on it or not. And because of that skewed reward system, what happens is that they have autism, autistic like symptoms. So why would they want to look at you if they can look at the screen? Right. Why would they want to sing with you? When a cartoon character sings it, it's a lot more entertaining. Let's see what Mali says. Let's see what she says. She said, you're so right. I'm not trying to be right here. Okay. I, I, and you know, all these are just out for discussion, like, and anyone knows anything, to be honest. Like, I, I'm not someone with authority to talk about this, but I feel like there are parents starting to speak up. And then just today we had had a conversation with them with a parent, which I'll talk about a little bit later. Right. I've seen the kids with use digital media hours and hours not talking at all. When they stop, they start speaking, playing, communicate. Yeah. So this is the hallmark of, like someone who is addicted to something. Right. The life is all over the place. They try to get rid of that Addiction and then suddenly their life is back on track. Okay, so that's my analogy. So let's talk about like what triggered this, this topic today in which I can see a lot of people are actually chiming in, which is a good thing, right? So, so this is a good thing. The thing is, what she said that made me feel a little bit uneasy was that she said, I saw that the child had some sensory issues and some self stimulation activities. So whether or not that is autistic or not doesn't matter because even non autistic people will have stimming. Everyone stims, everyone will have sensory issues. But then to, to put it, put these, the sensory and the stimming onto virtual autism is not correct. You know, like these happen anyways. Okay? It doesn't mean that your child is flapping his hands or you know, is doing eye cornering or doing like that and have sensory issues like mouthing and stuff because of virtual autism. These are not really that related. Like how can you develop, like this is just my thought, right? How can develop sensory issues from watching too much tv, right? It's just from what, what I think, okay? It's just my stream of thought. So at, at this point in time, my conclusion for this is that these two are not mutually exclusive. You know what I'm saying? Like these things are not, they can happen together, right? You can be speechless and have quote unquote, virtual autism, right? Which is basically just too much exposure to screen time. So if you take away the screen time, if it really is because of the screen time, you would expect all these symptoms to slowly, gradually go away, right? Which happens a lot in my experience. Okay? Because what virtual autism or whatever, like the too much screen time is that it's taking away all the quality social interactions that your child is supposed to be getting for this matter. Okay? So if you provide, like you take away the screen time and you provide, you see all those, all those, all those recommendations you see online, it's the generic stuff. It's like, oh, play with your child, you know, have a fun routine. You know, go down to their eye level, talk to them, describe things, describe everything you see. You know, like take, let them lead, follow child's lead. I mean anyone could have, you know, just read online through the Hannon program or whatever. Any speech therapist, any AVA therapist, any like whatever therapist would actually be okay with that, right? Like they would say that stuff. You don't need to see it from a website about virtual autism. It's just generic language development stuff. So this is my. My little rant, okay? And. And I know that, you know, like, this is quite a topic that people talk about and get into fights and stuff online, you know, and although I believe I. I gotta talk about it, because sometimes I think it's. It's better to have this kind of conversation, the hard ones. And. Yeah, so my basic. What I want to tell you is to stop thinking about whether it's virtual autism or not. Because all you got to do is to cut out the screen time at the end of the day. That's all. If you cut out the screen time and if you cut it out and then you start using that screen time as a reward instead, it'll be much easier to do the things. Like, to do a lot of things. Right. And this also ties into today, our conversation about. Oh, because it's not. It's not autism. Why should I use rewards? Why should I give him something external, materialistic reward, Right? Isn't it like a high five or praise also a reward? Yes, it is, right. But that you have to remember to teach someone something hard. And especially if we're talking about your child is like four or five and they haven't really spoken a real word yet, right? You. You really think about. You really have to think about how to get there as fast as possible. Right? How do I incentivize someone to do the thing that I want them to do without forcing them to? All right. Obviously, the social reinforcements are great. Like high five tickling, you know, like a head rub. Yeah, all those are great. All those are super good, in fact. But is it something that a child would die for? Right. Why is a screen so effective? Because it's entertaining. Because it's a time killer. You know, I'm remembering my time as a kid. A lot of my time was trying to. I was so bored. I was damn bored. I was trying to, like, use my imagination to think about something to, to, to kill time. So, you know, like, if you want a kid to do what to your bidding, think about what rewards make sense. Okay? Don't think about. Oh, because it's like training, like an animal, right? At the end of the day, rewards. Rewards work for us. Why do you work. Why? Why do you work for money, Right? If you're. If you don't. If you don't like rewards, then, you know, don't take those credit card points. You know, don't take those coupons. There's a reason why it works. There's a reason why when people give you free gifts, you take it, there's a, there's a reason why when there's a deadline towards redeeming certain things over the Internet or like whatever, it works. Or you know, like that stuff works because people love to be rewarded for, for the behavior in which most of the time in the general society is for you to consume or buy and buy stuff. Yeah. And you're, you're generally incentivized to also work and be a helpful person in the society. Right. What if you did a lot of work and your boss gave you a high five? That's crazy. Right? What if your boss told you to do something really difficult and all like he begged you and everything and he's like, oh please man, come on, let's do it one more time. How would you feel about that? Yeah. So don't think that this is, there's a long term solution. It's not. Okay. It really isn't. Right. I'm just telling you that if you think that, oh, because it's virtual autism, it's not autism. Therefore you're not using rewards, you're missing a lot of progress and improvement in your child. Because if you don't use that in the long run, maybe it's more naturalistic, but in the short run you're really just shooting yourself in the foot because you're not able to see the true ability of your kid. Right. What I mean by true ability. And we talk about this a lot. Right. So let's take a look at the comments first. So Jennifer. Oh, Jennifer, hi. Yeah, you're welcome. So we actually have. Let me know if you, let me know through email, Jennifer, if you have like any updates or whatever with your, with your son's speech. Right. We actually had a articulation screening that we were doing and Jennifer was one of them who went through it with it. It's not available publicly yet. And I was thinking to make it into like a generalized product that people can submit audio recordings and give it to like speech therapists and like just do this kind of speech and articulation online. And I was thinking to put it into like a interactive website so that it can just record through the website after you agree with all the ethics and terms and whatever. But that's the long term goal that I'm working towards, actually like a productized thing that you can use and hopefully later on it could become like a productized thing to help with assessment. Right. And also something to help you regulate screen time with your kid. That's something I'm really looking into because nowadays like, how do we use software to beat software? Right. As an adult, we have those screen time timers, screen time, whatever. Can we have something that eases the child out of this addiction with the use of a software? That's something I think about sometimes and certainly worth looking into. So Anum says, okay, five year old son, start talking now. He can't talk. But by, but year three word sentence he used in one sentence. Okay, yeah, no problem, man. Yes, you're, you're. Everyone, thank you so much for listening. Okay, so let's talk a little bit more since we have a little bit more time today. And yeah, I, I mean, like, at the end of the day, like, you really have to think about what this whole thing is about. So I feel like some parents are looking into things and. Because it's, it's really hard to hear those, those words, right? And I've been there as well, you know, always. Parents are asking for affirmation for the thoughts that they have, right? Oh, affirmation. That if they're looking for like, let's not talk about like autism, let's talk about like apraxia. They, they come into the clinic room and I also have that, like that thing going on. If I go to see a doctor, I already know it's something. I know something. And I go in and like, dude, it's. Is it something like this? And then they're like, no, no, man, it's something else, right? And it's the same as like a parent coming into me after doing a lot of research on, on Google or whatever. And then they come to me and I say, oh man, I already know what's going on. It should be like this. And I'm like, I, I think you shouldn't be thinking like that. It's apraxia or whatever. I had one, I had a parent who came to me on a zoom call and said, look, I know it's apraxia. I know it. He's two, he can't say stuff. I know it is. And I'm like, dude, apraxia, you cannot even make a true diagnosis. You know, below three years old, right? You might be getting a better chance by the time that he or she is four, right? So at the same time, all the stuff that you guys are reading online and my stuff, you know, also these videos are actually very, it's confusing, right? You might listen to it and you might like grab a piece of information that's, that's giving you affirmation towards a point, towards a thing that you're thinking about. So what I want you guys to do from now on is, is try not to dig so deep about the diagnosis because this isn't like a health issue. If it were a health issue, then by all means, dig as, dig as far as you want. All right? Because the intervention, the, the way of curing the disease, if it were like a medical thing, is directly correlated with the, with the diagnosis. But if we're talking about an early stage, a very early intervention, the advice is seriously the same overboard. Right? And you've heard it before. Get rid of the screen, get rid of the TV. You know, @ the very least, let them watch only for a set time. Right. Describe as many things as you can't. Simplify your language. Don't ask questions, talk. Go down to eye level, you know, talk slower. Create play routines with your child. We have loads of those videos on this channel. Yeah. And if you go onto, like, if you're ready, then you can go to agentsofspeech.com We've got some courses for you as well, for each level of which. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if your child has autism, virtual autism, apraxia, dysarthria. Right. All these names you never heard of that. I know, and you probably, probably seen it on Google somewhere. Or he has articulation disorder, like phonological disorder, phonetic disorder, all these stupid words. It doesn't matter because at the end of the day, you have to know your child's true ability. What is a true ability? How do you know? So a lot of parents will talk to me, like, including the parent today. I'm not trying to like pinpoint and talk about her. I'm talking about everyone that I talk to. You know, I've just looked at how many people I've talked to on, on a, on a zoom. One, on one. And the number was like 100, like 40 something. And that's not counting the ones that I've seen in real life. So I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure that I've talked to at least, at least 500 parents, you know, one on one. Not even the ones are through text or email. That would be into the thousands, you know what I'm saying? So when I talk about a generalization, I think I have enough data to talk about. So parents always say, oh, yeah, my kid doesn't talk, but they know what's going on. They understand more than they can speak. Right. So how do you know if that's true? How do you know that? Have you Done a thorough assessment with a speech therapist. Have you tried out, tried out doing some out of context things? I was talking about very out of context. For instance, if you give them a piece of rubbish and you tell them to put it on the sofa without any pointing, would they directly just go there and throw in a bin or would they really listen to you and give you like a, like a, like a what, what's going on? Why on the sofa? That kind of look. So think about that. Number one, okay? Number two, to, to see if that's the true ability or not, you got to have something on the line. For them. It cannot be a social reinforcement. It must be something that they really want and they want it now. And therefore they will do whatever you tell them to do. And that's how you gauge for their real, for their, for their true ability. Once you know their true ability, then it's very easy. Right? Can your child, if your child is non verbal, can your child imitate? Can they imitate, right? Can they imitate sounds? Can they imitate actions? Can they imitate gestures, whatever, can they do that? All right, if they cannot, then that's your starting point. Your main job is just to teach imitation. Don't care, don't think about other things. Don't think about social interaction. Don't think about, oh, will they be able to like make friends or whatever? Yeah. If they cannot imitate, then you won't know what to teach the next step. Right? So always think about imitation first. If you cannot do imitation. All right, if your child can imitate, are they using the right form of the right way to tell you what they want? So they can imitate, but that doesn't mean that they will use words. If they're using like pulling your hand or whatever, then your next job is to make sure that they use the correct way to communicate with you. All right? Okay, so let me continue real quick. Let me see what's. This is Accra from Ghana. Wow. Okay, that's great. Thank you for watching. All the way from the other side of the of the world. Right? And you say that, You say that for the challenge with language delay exposed to screen for the first month of birth. Recite ram to things Difficult. Yeah, we, we got loads of that, we got loads, we got loads of, of that information inside of our YouTube channel. Right? So the first thing is like, does your child like pull your hand or whatever? So either you can go to our course like agents of Speech.com micro, like a micro, as in small micro course you can join that it's not, it's paid. But you know, there's loads of information on, on our YouTube channel talking about exactly. Recite rhymes sayings. But doesn't really talk for like meeting needs. Right. So let's see. Jennifer says how do, how do I feel? I guess cow's brain. An ion detoxification for autism. I have no idea, man. I really don't know. Like I'm not gonna. You guys excuse my language. I really don't know what cow's brain. Let me just. Cow's brain. What is that? Cattle temperament. I have no idea, man. Genetic link between. That's something I have to read about. Thanks Jennifer. I'll read up on that and think about what like what, what's going on? Ion detoxification. For. Oh, I'm back. So yeah, I mean like of course if you guys talk about there are 110 ways to deal with autism. You know, there are hundred, hundred and ten ways. We've, I've got like students, the parents fly them to America, put them in, into oxygen chamber. You know, we're talking about, you know, going through with acupuncture, if you know what that is, you know, putting needles, you know, put needles in the brain or whatever. Like there's a lot of things that for autism, you know, outside in the world there's people who say that oh, what's that? Foot massage will help. Right. And I really don't know because that's not my expertise. Right. So I'll read more on that. Yeah. And there's a lot of people talk about gut health with autism as well. Like I might be butchering the pronunciation something. Nem check. Nem cheek. I don't know how to say it. Nem check protocol. Whilst I truly think that, you know, having a good diet in general, that's helped with a lot of things. Right, Right. So what, what does that mean? Non verbal children bring that iron detox to their parents. I have no idea what that means. Maybe I'm just not very, I'm not very good with this kind of stuff. Not in my field anyways. So someone asks, who's this? Mahala. Mahala Shimi. Damn, I'm really bad with names. I'm so sorry. But anyways, you're asking any activity to make them communicate well from our talks. I mean like if you go to YouTube and search engines of speech, right? Go to play activities, there's a playlist all about that, right. It's not like I don't want to describe it to you. It's just like, I think it's better if you. There. You can watch it over and over again. And especially the car slide one, the vending machine one. Those are great. Ron does. This is Ron. Hi, Ron. So judging from your last name, you're probably Chinese. Great. My kid picks up a toy when I name a toy, but it doesn't say any words, just two. What's the next step? Well, play with it. Play with toy. Right. Teach your child how to play with it properly and make sure that he or she is having fun. Okay. Make sure. Ahi. There you go. Make sure he's having fun, having a good time playing that stuff. All right. Hey, Casey. Okay, cool. Now, this is not a paid advertisement. Yep. So don't. Don't worry. You know, like, for me, I think I could have increased the price for a lot higher. And certainly there are, like, I see some, like, speech derby online courses that are quite expensive to say the least. But for me, this is like, I mean, if it. If this helps people, then I don't really mind anymore, to be very honest with you. And it's not like it's taking up much of my time. Right. So the most important thing is that, you know, this. This is actually like this stuff that the online courses stuff. It takes up quite some time to think about how to. How to teach you guys in a way that you would understand because all kids are different. That's number one. Number two is to show you videos of parents helping the kids. I think it's beneficial. I also have to get their consent, also make sure that I had already taught them the thing that I wanted to teach you. And the thing is, I think Casey put this, like, ask me about this. Why don't I ask someone to come here and I demonstrate directly with the kid? Well, directly, there are two points to that. Number one, it's very hard to get consent to actually film a child and put it on a course and sell it without giving monetary compensating that the parent. Right. That's something that you have to keep. You guys have to keep in mind. All right. Second of all is that kids who, like, if you watch me, a lot of parents that I coach online or whatever are like, hybrid. When I was still, like, before the pandemic, they see me do it as, like, so easy. Right. And then when they do it, it's like it doesn't work. And what that feels like is like, because I'm. I've got some skilled hands and I've had some years of therapy work under my belt. And it looks like it's easy, but it's actually not. So that's why I prefer using videos of parents who are doing it themselves more than I am doing it myself. Right. That's my thesis towards it. And it's hard work trying to update the courses because once it's up. Once it's up, you don't know which part it is that's working, right? And you see a lot of feedback coming back, like parents send me videos and stuff and you see that they are implementing the stuff that's working. So. And if I ask them, they don't really know where I should improve. So at the end of the day, it's just a lot of. It's like, it's like, it's like writing a book right after you write a book, you're like, I don't know where to edit and stuff. But you see that there's a lot of progress and, and people and, you know, like, I've got a folder of like all the people who say good things and show me videos and stuff of the progress. And I'm really happy about it. I just don't share it as much as I should be, which I should be, actually. So M asks, how much for the online course? Well, you can go check it out yourself at agents of speech.com. all right? Go to courses and you'll see it. All right. Okay, so that's pretty much it for today. If you guys have any more questions about virtual autism, feel free to put it in the comment section. Feel free to, feel free to ask me anything about this because I'm also learning this as well. And to be honest, I thought that after the pandemic I could, I would be going back to, to doing physical stuff, you know, but the fact is this, right, you, me seeing this, me seeing all the stuff that's happening online all over the world, is that there's. There's so much, there's so much lag after the, the world has opened up, right? What lag is that? There has been three, two to three years that kids couldn't get therapy or assessments. So the whole system is lack behind for like two to three years, right? And because of inflation, therapy prices are going up. So it's becoming more and more inaccessible. So therefore, I really think, and I've been talking to my wife about this, like I'm being personal here, is that, dude, the best thing I can do right now is not to go back to three physical doing physical stuff at the moment in time. What I need to do is to make agents of speech the best resource for people who cannot assess access this kind of stuff, like this kind of therapy stuff, right? So yeah, that's pretty much it. So Casey says I've been practicing what I teach. I think I'm getting better. Don't worry. Yeah man. Like so for this matter, for this matter practicing we actually have a membership for that. And for me I think during this timing what I would do is I think an email will go. I also talk about it in the group on, on YouTube as well. What I'm going to do now is I am going to before it's a subscription. So I'm going to see if people are interested to get on, on a one off price instead of paying every month. And it's, it's been working. The model works. Right. But the, the biggest problem is that you know parents, they, they might have used it like one or two times and then they're like man, I already know what to do. I just, I just need more practice and therefore like it's just not, not every time to get like the feedback that they, they, they don't need so much feedback all the time, you know and setting up a camera to, to film themselves is kind of difficult as well. So look out for tomorrow guys. Like if you guys need more direct feedback from me, what I, what I usually do is like we have a membership. There's a very private Facebook group looking thing that's an app on your phone and you can ask questions there. I, I get to it very quickly rather than on Facebook. I'm rarely on social media. I use it literally only to like pro promote like speech therapy related stuff and you can ask questions there. You upload videos through our private servers, we download it, we go on a private zoom and we go through the videos together every, every two weeks and then we go through the videos together. If you want us to blur your kids face, we can do that as well. And then we go through it together. You ask any questions. What we're doing is that inside of that private Facebook group looking thingy is that we're building out within the membership. We will have more resources for you. You can download resources, you can see threads, we will have documents inside that point you towards what parents have done before and it will be a super great resource for you. Okay, so let's see before I leave. Tebs says how long does it take for 2.5 year old who stopped watching TV a week ago to stop recycling nursery rhymes? Is that considered stimming well, yes and. Well, not really and yes and no. Right Tebs? So for this, for this matter, I would say that it really depends on what replacement behaviors can you give him. Right? So what you need to do is not to think that it's stimming, not to think that it's killing. Killing his like language development. What you think about is how to make like show him something else that he wants, right? Like maybe snacks, maybe it's like toys or whatever. So teach him how to have things. As long as he communicates with you, even if it's the tv, it's fine, right? If he gets into a tantrum, I'd rather him come up to you, tap you and then point to give you the TV remote and do like a gesture or say like turn on or whatever. And he gets to watch for like a minute and then you just rinse and repeat and keep on doing it until he knows how to communicate with you to tell you his needs. Right? So it's not about like stopping, it's more about like is there a replacement that and usually that's with toys and playing that he would like more than watching the tv, which is hard to do. Okay, so man went on for quite long today. I hope it was clear today what I said and I know there's a lot of controversy. I'm doing this kind of topic. I'm quite scared of getting, getting canceled nowadays especially a lot of you guys are actually from usa. I guess this is not especially a big problem in Asia. But at the same time it's still something at the back of my mind. So thanks for tuning in guys. I'll talk to you guys in a week's time and let me know if you have any more questions about this topic. And we will go deeper in this. Maybe we will like talk about how to cut screen time together as, as like a challenge, you know those fitness challenges like oh, two weeks or what a one week fat burner or whatever. We can make like a two week screen cut screen accelerator together and we'll see how it goes. Right? And have. If I do that, I'm sure all the moms and dads around the world will put their hands up for sure and you will see the biggest movement of speech, speech and language delay on the Internet. I think so. But anyways, I'll see you guys next week, so talk soon. Bye bye.