Back to School

Oh, yeah. We're back back in school. We are back at School. Fall 2020, the apocalypse. But not on campus. Not on campus. No apocalypse.

No apocalypse on campus.

Not today.

Hello, everyone, and welcome to a new episode of Mu Talks. This is Aline Vrancilla, your co host.

And Rob Hildebrand, other co host.

The other co host. We have not heard. Not heard from us, you know, in a while now. We took a break for the summer.

We're all over the place.

Should we call it a sanity break?

Yeah, I mean, out of town break.

Out of town break, sanity break, work break, whatever.

You were doing lots of meetings.

Well, I had six, five months worth of meetings for us this summer, and it was the longest summer. I heard a faculty member say in 15 years, they've never had a summer like this.

Yeah.

So, yeah, we are. We are back back at school, back in business, and we are just gonna have a chat and a con about what it means to be back at. At school, back as a residential. We have actually launched our residential education.

Yep.

So we mean, we have a few hundred students back on campus. And what does that mean for us?

Yeah, we're doing good. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you guys maybe out there in. In the world of the Internet, you've maybe heard people talking about schools having thousands of cases and dozens of cases. I mean, we're. We don't have a case yet from what I'm told. We haven't. Haven't had any cases. All kinds of safety precautions. We're doing pretty good.

Okay.

Yeah, the.

What's happening is somebody. Somebody said that they can't hear us really well online. I hope that's gonna. That's gonna resolve itself. Adam, please continue telling us if you can hear us online, really well. But what. What's happening is we. We are situated in a space that we need to let you know about. We are in Portland, Oregon, west coast. So let's start with that. We've had more events than others. A bit.

Yep.

Just for the people that are watching us, the. The. This 4K camera shows us that we're a little closer than we might actually be.

Very far.

We are 8ft close to 9ft apart. So just. Just for the people that are looking at this and saying, like, yo, what's up? Yeah, Just so you know, we're almost nine feet apart.

We wear our masks to get in here.

We have. We have masks. So we are fully compliant with the whole situation. Just so you know, state regulations. And the state regulations allow us to not have a Mask in a. Confined in a classroom. Actually, if we are six feet apart. So.

Correct.

That's what's happening there. But so what. What we're doing is we are in Portland, Oregon.

Right.

We're going to give you a little summary of what we've dealt with.

Portland's been crazy. It has. Like I wrote on my Facebook the other day, it feels like we're in the second cir. Of hell. Yes. And. And almost like, you know, it's. It's almost bad enough that you're going back and you're reading the. The book of Revelation. Like it's, you know, we had smoke and we had wildfires. Maybe you saw some of the pictures on the Internet of like the whole city looking red or orange or smoky. Our air quality was like 500. Sometimes I think 600. I saw once. I mean, it was insane. You know, London was 19, New York was 8, and we were like 5:42 or something. And you're like, oh my goodness, this is crazy.

Yeah. So we had fires. Just to give you a perspective, I think we had fires all around Portland and most of the state of Oregon. We had close to 500, 000 people displaced.

Yeah. Under evacuation.

We had close to actually more than a million acres on fire. I mean, that should give you an idea of. We couldn't go outside because the smoke was really, really bad. I mean, you, you have to limit yourself how much you want to stay outside. So. Yeah, no, it was, it was quite, quite rough. Then we had 90 plus days of. Of protests.

Right. Yeah. I think we're over 100 now. Right.

100 days of protests.

You know, there's riots and protests, some of them healthy, some of them not so healthy.

Yep. You know, and they're there, they're out there in downtown. People are actually protesting and. And there's some riots as well. So there's. That's happening then. We're in the middle of a pandemic. We're still, you know, Oregon is still staying strong, even though for a while we, we. We were a hot spot with Seattle and the Portland area around here. So especially Seattle area was pretty rough. What am I missing?

I don't know. The pandemic's pretty good. I mean, the shutdowns. I mean, there's also the elections. There's a fair amount of acrimony and just conflict everywhere. It feels like.

Yeah, yeah. Churches are still. Most of them are closed. They're starting to open slowly, which. Yeah.

And.

And this election year is definitely not. It's not unusual. It's. It's been an unusual. And more at stake, really, apparently. But that's. But it's also inflated in a lot of ways, and we feel that inflation.

You know, you mean the perception is.

The perception of the conflict and division between people. I heard somebody say, I was in England one time, and somebody was making a comment about American politics in America, and what they mentioned is, you know, England, well, maybe this was before Brexit. I'm not going to get to political. But they were like, we're. At least we're not divided on essential things. We would bicker and we do, you know, banter on a lot of things, and they will, you know, but on essential things, we are united on essential topics. Right? And it was like, it's hard to see America being divided and so strongly divided on essential topics.

Right.

On things that are right there, that can split. So it's quite. Quite. You see that? And it's. It's. It's coming on in our churches, it's coming in our homes, it's coming in our campuses. It's everywhere. So that. That's another layer of.

Yeah. You know, so I was in France for the summer, and when we were coming back, so we were in this pretty idyllic situation, you know, this rural France, and we got this big fence around us. We're completely safe. The country was doing well. And we would tell some of our neighbors that we were coming back to Portland, and they're like, really? You're going back to Portland? And Portland's a pretty beautiful place. Have you ever been here? Like, Pacific Northwest, incredible Oceans, mountains, trees. But honestly, just from what I was watching on the news and the media, and again, my Canadian friends, you know, writing me, saying, boy, you guys are a mess down there. And so I was, you know, getting ready to come back, and I'm thinking, do I even want to come back? This is not good. You know, and then we got on the plane and we got back, and it's still beautiful here. You know, like in the midst of all these problems, you know, we got to the border and we talked to some really nice border guards, and they welcomed us back. And I got on my car on this big, beautiful highway with no tolls, wide roads, driving through the mountains and the trees, and I ate at the Olive Garden. And, you know, we had a big. I mean, they had, like, huge social distancing compared to Europe. And I'm just like, you know, if you just believe what you see, if all you see is social media and media, you Think that we're a mess. But then you get to the country. It's still a cool country.

Yes.

You know, it's still a beautiful country.

You know, I'm going to tell you a story of what happened to me this summer and leads us into a conversation because. So I work in administration in the higher education, and you're right there, front line of defense, being in the classroom with the students. So we're going to talk about, like, your experience. What does it mean to come back from a summer. I mean, you had a beautiful summer.

That was cool.

And we follow you on social media and whoever does not follow, can you do a. Can you do an unashamed, like, plug?

Sure.

Like shameless.

We got an Instagram Chateau de la Griffri. My wife and I bought a castle and we've been fixing it up all summer. And actually a YouTube channel, which now we're getting, like, new subscribers every day.

Okay, okay. What's the YouTube channel?

Yeah, it's. It's Chateau de Griff. G R I F F E R A I E, I think.

Okay.

Robin Leslie Hildebrand.

So if you don't follow Rob Hildebrand on social media, you are missing out. Trust me.

Like, it's fun.

Well, the, the. The cool thing about the summer is that it gave me a sense of sanity. Just following, like you trying to chase owl with a musket. What is it like with the. What was it? What. That was 1800.

Someone told me it's a shotgun, but it's like a shotgun. It's like a bolt action. So I'm like, can you have a bolt action?

Was that as old as this was the.

I. Yeah, they left. They left a gun in the castle for it.

So if you've not seen him chase an owl in the middle of the night. Right. I was actually like, I watched this with Diane. Next to me is my wife, right? I was watching her, and she was looking him kind of like, would you ever do this? Right? And I'm like, not in a thousand years would I wake up in the middle of the night in a chateau in the dark and go and chase a sound, right? A sound. I would sleep through it and see if we. We wake up alive in the morning, that's what I would do. Right.

There's a lot of wild stuff in that.

I mean, that alone. But. But you had it. And it gave us a sense of sanity, walking you through, like, and coming alongside your journey of faith. And it's beautiful. So we're in the middle of the Summer we left, we left Multoma in March, Right. So we left Multoma in March. And then by the way, if there are questions about going back to school, higher education, remote distance education, online, what did it mean to be a campus? We're going. Some of that coming soon. But if you have questions, just put them on the social media.

We're watching.

And if you're listening to the podcast way past our, our live feed, just reach out to us on social media and let's, let's chat about this. We're open about that. So middle of the summer, we've been out. People were home. We were. So I came back. We left the campus in March. The President's council had to come back in April. We came back to the campus. So since April, I came residentially every day almost to work, Right. Almost every weekend from the summer, when the summer begins. So in June, July. Ish. Right around June, July, I took my girls to the ocean, to the Pacific, right? Ocean. It's just beautiful. Like. And, and I personally believe, and I don't know why they actually close down the beaches because naturally, the beaches especially. Okay, okay, let me not make a general statement.

Sure.

In the Pacific Northwest, the beaches are socially distanced. Somebody comes and puts a chair or a towel right next to you on this wide, wide beach. You're looking and kind of like, well.

That would not happen.

Like, that would never happen. Right. So there's a built in social dance. So we went. There are a lot of people on the beach, but I mean, literally, I think the closest person to us was 20ft.

Yeah.

So we're going there. We're having a blast of a day. But I have to. So I, I went with two kids with like a, with like a cart, you know, one of these wagons that I'm pouring with chairs with the whole thing. I look like I'm this walking rv, right. And I had to come up on these massive rocks, right? And I'm falling through this. My wagon is falling. It's just, it's a, it's an image, right? So this couple comes behind me and they help me pull the wagon. You know, they lift the wagon, they carry it all the way up. I'm grabbing a kid. I'm just carrying all this.

Yeah.

And we're getting up there. So it was a great act of kindness. I mean, just a wonderful act of kindness. We're in the June, right? So we shut down the world in March. We're in June, July. And they helped me up there. And then this person Turns to me, first of all, they had no mask, no nothing. So I have no idea what's going on. But. But he turns to me and just like puts his hand out.

Oh, and to shake your hand.

To shake my hand, right. And I have this second of hesitation, right? Because it's like, well, I haven't, I haven't. I haven't hugged, shook any hand or done anything since, like, like March, right? We're like three, four months. But you don't know. But it was such a great act of kindness. I'm looking at the person and I just, I shook his hand. I have to tell you something, Rob. In that instance right there, right, I realized, like, it was, it was, it was such an epiphany, right? A moment I shook his hand and I shook his head hard. I was like, well, thank you. Thank you very much. This gentleman was like, definitely a buck guy, buff guy, right? He just shook my hand, looked me in the eye as I said, thank you so much. He was like, no problem. It was my pleasure. And he left and I went home. Two hour drive home. I can't shake off the fact that I shook somebody's hand and it was a human contact. And it just opened up the world of what I've missed, right. I didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't know how much I was starving, absolutely starving for a contact, for. For a shaking of a hand, right. Of a human moment. A moment that I can look somebody in the eye and there's no fear, there's no distrust that you're going to give me a disease, deadly disease. There was just that moment. And he made me realize I went through all kinds of things in my mind. Like, I shook his hand. I have to go as I hold it. But also of how powerful that very small, insignificant, maybe for him, moment was to bring me back to a reality of how important this connection is, of how interconnected we are. And the next moment I felt, and that's why I'm launching this conversation into. Is. Oh, the audio. There's an audio issue. Well, whoever does not hear us really well on live, I'm pretty sure they're going to be able to hear us on. On our. On our podcast coming out soon. So I'm. I'm sorry if this is not working really well on. On Facebook. I have no idea what's happening. So we'll figure it. We'll figure things out.

Yeah.

But the next feeling I had, like, that was when launched the residential campus. Yeah. So we had Five months worth of meetings, and all of a sudden, this campus populates itself with students. And I felt like God's shalom came over this place. And it was peace and it was just joy. I went around and said thank you to every single student. Like, thank you for coming back. I was so excited to see you. It was such joy. I mean, absolutely craziness. And so that's why, for me, it's a great time of reflection for us to think, okay, we're back at school. We see people. How is it for you? How was your summer?

Yeah.

How is it for you in the class? How is it for you in the classroom?

Yeah. So this is. I mean, this is obviously a really hard time to be an educator, like, especially for the. You know, you see. I don't know if you saw that video on Facebook the other day of, like, a kindergarten teacher who's trying to teach kindergarten through zoom. You can't imagine. Hey. Trying to keep their attention, all those little ones. Our students are thrilled to be back on campus. Leslie and I, we're faculty in residence, so we do live in the dorms, and we get to talk to students. And we. In the dining hall, we try to do that pretty regularly, too. And even though we're six feet apart, you can still have two people per table. And then the next table's not too far, so you can have four people in a conversation with a little distance. And it's. I mean, it's wonderful to get to know them. I think they were dying. Young people need to be with each other. Like, they need to have community. And they were dying, like, as a category. And everybody dumps on them for getting together with their friends. They need that. You know, this is their age. We gotta make safe ways for that to happen. And so I'm thrilled that we're back on campus as a school. It was a step of faith. I get that A lot of schools have had outbreaks because, you know, maybe their students went drinking or something like that, or they went to a big party. So far, our guys are doing great. Again, we're not immune. You know, we don't know that God will specifically say, you guys have this hedge of protection. Maybe we have it, but maybe we don't. So we gotta be careful, and we're being careful. And there's all kinds of committees making all kinds of rules, and those are tough. There's no way around it. The rules are tough. But the students really appreciate being together and live in the classroom, too. Like, I thought it was gonna be Hard to adapt to six feet of distance. Less hard than I really, you know, thought. The masks are harder than I thought. And as a speaker, you know, you look out and you can't tell. Even them wearing masks is tough. Like, you tell a joke and you're like, okay, did they like it? Did they not like it? I just don't know. So it's, you know, that's challenging for sure. I'm looking forward to that one going away.

You know what's interesting about masks?

Yeah.

I actually think it happened to me twice where I said hi to somebody that I thought it's somebody, but it was actually not, because I don't like. It's actually surprising how much just the eye area and the hair and the, you know, their dress.

Right.

But having half of your. Your face covered, I don't recognize that person. I don't know who they are. I said hi, and then I was like, oh, sorry. Like, that's not.

I didn't know. But it gives you a good excuse. Like, if you don't know somebody's name, you're like, oh, it's the mask, you.

Know, And I also yawned without putting my hand. Like, nobody knows that.

Or scowl. Yeah, the resting nasty face is, you know, there's some upside.

So how's the classroom? How is it for you?

Just a. Discussion's a little harder. Most of my. My students are being real good about following protocol. I think there's. Occasionally you'll see a nose slip out for a minute, you know, the nose cheating. And so once in a while you see that. But then there's some that are super, super careful, so God love them. The discussion is a little trickier. You can do discussion talking. Boy. It's challenging, and there's no way around it. This is a terrible time to be an educator. There's no way around it. But I think the way our school is handled is the best that I can imagine. Like, I. I don't. I can't think of a better way to do this other than, you know, testing everybody every day and quarantining them on a small moon somewhere. And then you could just, you know, operate. But that's, you know, realistically, I think our strategy is a good one.

I. I think somebody said, and. And I was talking to. To our president one day, and he read an article that said, if you are a president of university or pastor of a church, this is the worst time in the history for these. These jobs. I believe if you're not comfortable with the ambiguous, this is not A good time for you? This is not a good time because we've had to make decisions and I think faculty have to make decisions with little to no data. You don't know where things are going. You don't know if you're making this decision. Is it going to, is it going to impact something? So it's just, it's such a difficult time. But yet in the midst of that, we have students back. We have all this now. Quick question for you. As we are looking at where things are going, we at Multnomah University, we launched what it's called Adapt Learning Environment. Adaptive learning environment is a combination, an imperfect combination of remote, online and residential. Right. So we are very adaptive to say if a student, they can start on campus, finish online, they can start online, finish on campus, they can move back and forth from this. I'm just, I'm just curious to get from an educator's perspective, how do you think this is going to play in the long run? The classroom? How is education being shifted? There's some challenges now that we're going to have to address that. We've not had problems before. Right. So we have to be socially distanced. We have to teach differently. We have students that might be affected by this from travel, from getting sick, from their parents being so they can't come to class. Now that we're making residential programs available online.

Yeah.

Do you think this is going to be impacted long term? How do you see this as an educator?

I mean, it's going to be fascinating to see what world comes out of this. You know, people talk about the new normal. I don't like that. But, but there will be, I think, substantial changes, you know, the issues that have come up. Man, some people love the distance and they love the remote access. Like, they love the ability to, you know, do this from home or if they have it, something that comes up. So that convenience has been fantastic. I think a lot of people probably really enjoy that with their jobs too. On a deeper level, I wonder if schools will ask, do we really need to hire these people if they can do their job from home all the time? Like, what's. Why are they on staff? Like, I've had that thought about businesses. I'm thinking like, is, you know, if you go to a. If again, no offense to meetings, but if, if you just go to meeting, to meeting, to meeting, I'm like, so at some point, does someone talk to the students? You know, like, so it'll be interesting to see if schools thin down a little bit out. Of this, they may have to. They may choose to. It seems it'll be interesting to see if employers will be able to be more efficient with not having people drive into to work. The question of the value of school. Do I need to do school? People are asking that question which could thin the herd of schools. Like schools may fall, which may make the ones that survive better and stronger because there's less competition. It will be fascinating to see where this goes.

Okay, I'm going to throw a few questions.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, yeah, I mean, I think this is going to change education overall in many ways.

Yeah.

The. The legitimacy of online education. We had an episode on MU Talks. People can scroll and look for them on online education. And we talked about how online education is a different pedagogy, is a different modality of doing learning. It's a legitimate modality of their learning.

But.

But Covid has actually accelerated the validity of this venue by 10 years.

Wow.

We would have taken us 10 years to still convince different universities or different things that online is a legitimate modality. That discussion is gone now. People are like, well, yeah, of course, you know, online. What's the next step? So we've. We've accelerated that by 10 years. So I think there's going to be significant even for. How do we. What's the next generation of students? We have to prepare. Right. If we're going to have to get them ready to be able to work remote, to be able to actually work from home, to know how to. To be digital natives, even for those that are not digital natives, to work in a digital world, we're going to have to adjust curriculums and pedagogy and all that to that.

That.

So I definitely think there's going to be more. I am excited for us to really track these changes as they happen and talk about them and open them up as a university. Whoever follows our. Our podcast understands that we are. MU Talks is a podcast of a university dealing with what we're experiencing here. I am curious to tap. We have quite a few. Just a few minutes left into your areas of expertise. How do you think youthman is going to be changed or impacted? One, from an academic perspective. Right. And two is actual churches.

Let me start with churches. I've had people wondering. You hear people speculating, like they're saying, oh, people aren't going to come back to church. People aren't going to come back to church. And that will be fascinating to see. I have some of the students and we run a. We have run a demon and Master's program for ministry students. And so we had. I had six or seven guys that were in a cohort together and we met a couple weeks ago and a few of their programs have started up again and they are thriving. Like they have more kids than they've ever had. And probably part of that is because human beings are built with a need to be with each other. And that is the fundamental idea of church. You know, human beings supporting each other, loving each other, caring for each other. So in some ways, I'm actually optimistic about the long term situation of the church. I think people will realize that they need each other. Boy. The other question was youth. Mint shoot. What was the other question? Youth men.

So academically. Academically, youth men as a ministry in the church.

Yeah, that'll be interesting. So I think the. In person, I think that's actually gonna come back stronger. I think, you know, academically, one thing I noticed is I think students will. I think we're gonna be dealing with students in the next 10 years that kind of expect to have the convenience of this. Like even now I'll have a student who has some kind of issue come up and they just expect that they can go online whether or not we were going to go online. And so, I mean, and you know, I guess it kind of makes sense. It's a little bit more work for us, but there is some good out of that. So that's going to be one factor for sure.

So we have the luxury on this podcast to just chat, talk freely about back to school and what's happening. So it's a judgment free zone. But I'm curious about your opinion about the spiritual temperature of what's happening. So, yeah, I am looking at. I'm. I have a feeling that a lot of people are actually not going to any church, even if it's online, if they're online, especially if they're not naturals of like listening to a sermon online, if they've never done it. Some people are more serious about it than others. I'm. I'm seeing, even though I said something, I said, I don't know why and how is this happening? I'm doing such a. I'm being vulnerable on this show to say I feel that this is the season where I got that I was challenged to pray the least in one of the worst times that I've ever lived in. I'm not going to make this fatalist statement of the world, whatever, but, but I'm seeing less and less prayer meetings, Bible study meetings, people really passionate about this, I. Somehow the world is paralyzed of saying, well, let's see, where is this going?

Yeah.

And then I'm going to come back to this, to this, to the faith and all this.

Yeah.

Which I think is quite unhealthy. And we're going to see the side effects of that. Just curious to take your See, we have. Our chapels are online. Yeah, brilliant chapels, actually. I mean, I love our chapels, but what's that aspect without the, the incarnate, without the. The presence and all that?

See, like a lot of people, you know, up at the start, I think, and even halfway through, a lot of people were feeling guilty that they maybe, you know, surfed a little bit. Like, you watch worship from one church, then you go hear a speaker from the next and. And so you're interested to see who, how the competition, how churches fare. And I mean, you can see how that's kind of fundamentally unhealthy. But a lot of people are discontent with watching the services and then some people are feeling guilty about that. And I'm saying, I don't think you need to feel guilty because I think the whole idea, the word church, those called out, the idea itself conveys a gathering of people. So a church is not just watching a service, it's not just listening to a sermon. And so I don't think people have to. To feel guilty that they're not feeling church or they're not even feeling close to God by watching somebody worship on a YouTube or something like that. Church was never intended to be that way. And so I think in that sense, I do think people are going to come back with a more hunger. I'm optimistic. I'm a little pessimistic. On. One thing's been interesting is to try to be a person of conscience in an environment when there's so many rules. Because, like, even so, for example, my whole life I've been the good kid who tried really hard to do the rules. And there's been a couple times the last couple months where I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to obey that rule. And I'm like, I have never said that in my 50 years. And now I'm actively considering disobedience. And so that's kind of like, that's the one that's my least favorite part of this whole pandemic is, you know, make good rules and make people functional, but don't create a category of people that are going to disobey and then somehow self identify as bad because they, they didn't obey this regulation.

Yeah.

So that's the downside to me, but I'm optimistic.

Okay, good. Well, you're more optimistic than I am.

We'll see what happens.

Because I get. You get the feeling around us, we're in. We're in a Christian campus. Yeah, we. You know, I'm part of a church ministry, and I. I see many different types of ministries around us also. I think Americans. America has a different response than Europe. Europe is very different on this. I mean, you're where they are. I have big Part of my family's there. And they were like, no, we're going back to church.

Oh, dude.

In April.

Like, I'm interrupting. I got it. So I'm sitting. I'm in France. We're like, we're gonna go to the church, and the only one we can find is Catholic church. So we go in there. I mean, people are wearing masks, but, like, my shoulders are touching people on. On every side, and I'm just like, wow. I'm like a Covid hater. And I am uncomfortable, like, how many people are in this room? But they're like, no, we're all going back to church. I'm like, okay, there it is. They're not messing with the church.

Oh, man.

Sorry. Back to you.

No, no, no, no. That's. That's why it's all across the board and stuff. O.

Have just.

Just one or two minutes left on this. Any concluding thoughts? Back to school. Everything that you can. You can see in happening in.

Man, I can't wait for the year to be over. In some ways, like, I can't wait. And the thing that. The thing that's the toughest. Yeah. 2020. It's the polarization that's been so tough. And I'm hoping. I'm hoping that part of it is the political season because, you know, whether it's wildfires, suddenly that turns into a left right thing or diseases or everything seems to go into. There's my group of people think this, and your group of people think. And I can't wait for that to be over because I just want to have friends, you know, I mean, I don't. I don't know if. Though there was arson or. I don't know if there's, like, if that's a hoax or, you know, like, why that was probably hoax that one. But. Yeah. But I don't want to have to fight about all these things. I just want to love people and care about people and. And so I guess that's where I'M hoping we're going.

Yeah, you heard it first on MU talks. We are done with this. Yeah, I'm excited for 2020 to roll. You know, I made a joking statement that I don't think I'm gonna celebrate Christmas this year. An act of rebellion.

Oh, really?

Against 2020? I'm just gonna be like, we're just gonna light a candle and get Santa very fast in there and, and, and sing some carols and be done to wrap 2020. Okay, I'm being fatalist. But, but I'm actually, I think, I actually think God is doing a new thing.

Yeah.

I do believe God is doing a new thing. I'm not finishing this podcast on a positive tone. I firmly believe God is doing a new thing. And, and if we're guided by the spirit, we understand what God is doing as a new thing. Right. The religious man will never understand the things in the spirit. And I don't want us to be the religious man. I, I, But I don't understand it yet. I don't know what God is doing. I'm just happy for today. What's happening today is this smoke is gone?

Yep.

Students are back on campus. Our faculty are teaching. An overwhelming majority of faculty were able to come back to campus. So I'm super excited about that. Everybody's enjoying. Somehow Even with the 50% of the sound coming through a mask, they're still getting something. Our staff and, and people at Multnomah are brilliant and they're wonderful. I love working with them. So we're doing something and we'll just keep talking about it.

Yep.

We'll figure out. Reach out to us. Yeah, reach out to us. If you, if you have any questions or if you have, have any, any topics that you think we need to cover on MU talks. As simple as just going to facebook.com forward slash, forward slash. Yeah plus.

Yeah.

So that's where we actually host our MU talks on Multoma Plus. So please feel free and also go to Multnomah plus dot com. A good number of courses for you over there that you can enjoy. So thank you for being with us. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And here we go. Here we go. This is, this is it.

Oh, I see if I remember this still the opinions.

Oh, yes, please do.

I'll go slow while the music comes. Yes, the opinions oppress. No, I can't do it. Express the opinions expressed by your two hosts. Your two beautiful hosts.

Oh, thank you.

In no way represent the beliefs or values of Multnomah University. I mean, we're trying. We work here. We love the place.

We love.

But we're not perfect.

Nope.

We're just putting ideas out there.

Yep. And our opinions do not represent. Officially.

No.

But thank you for being with us. I will see you in the next episode.

Yeah. Cheers.