Somatic Secrets: Heal Trauma, Transform Relationships | Ft. Becky Aste

Welcome back to the Infinite Gold Podcast. You've got your host Bri and myself, and then today we have an amazing guest, Becky Asti, and she is a trauma-informed somatic relationship coach. There's a lot into that, but She basically helps women create breakthroughs in their lives, and it's awesome. We've been trying to get her on the podcast for a while, so we're stoked that we were able to get this and make it happen.

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Locked and ready to go. She's also the host of Your Breakthrough Blueprint. It's a top 3% podcast in the world, so definitely go check it out, listen to it. She's got amazing content on there. Again, she's a somatic healing coach, specializes in helping women, and she's been coaching women for over 13 years, so she knows what she's talking about., and we're excited to have her on today.

Welcome, Becky. Thank you so much. I'm excited to be in your space. This is an honor.

Thanks again. So you've been coaching women for over 13 years, and then obviously before we got on, you mentioned that you've been really diving deep the last 3 years in this somatic healing. Can you explain a little bit to our listeners what that is?

Yeah, really easy explanation. Somatic just means pertaining to the body, especially in contrast to the mind. So we get into everything from the neck down. Nervous system, our survival responses, our patterns, the way that our body has kept the score of the things that we've survived. And that there's a way you can actually go into the body, move trauma out, release trauma from the body without just talking about it, rehashing details, thinking, speaking, all the neck-up stuff that we're used to, you know, going towards when we think of trying to heal.

That's awesome. And from there, you kind of were coaching women on and off for 10 years, and then these last 3 years, what made you kind of create that shift, or what made you shift into this more in-depth type of coaching?

I've always been so drawn to relationships. I mean, even just reality TV, I gravitate towards those shows that are so awful, right? Like The Bachelor and you know, just reality shows, because I've been fascinated from as early as I can remember by human psychology and connection. And so even before I made this my full-time career, I was always doing it in some way or another, whether volunteer or on the side, and working with women in codependency groups whose husbands dealt with addiction and mentoring and sponsoring. But in all of the knowledge that I gained over the years and all the things I knew and could tell others, I found my own marriage, year 10 of it, separated on the verge of divorce, and our toxic dance had spun out of control. And I was exasperated. I was— I didn't know what to make of it. I was like, I've done everything you can possibly do to heal a relationship and what they quote unquote say is going to help it. And here we are. How? So it was when we were actually moving towards divorce and I was home alone scrolling on Instagram, stumbled upon a coach who would end up being my first ever online coach. And I didn't know it at the time, but she would be my first introduction to somatic healing. And spoiler alert, that's what ended up taking our marriage from dying at the time to at first just getting a pulse and surviving and then moving on to thriving and So that's when I jumped ship and left my other career that I was successful in. You know, it didn't make sense to leave, but this was the, the soul calling, the, I need to get this into the hands of other women, what I've found.

Oh, that's so good. You just had to listen to what your body was telling you and it literally links up to what you were doing, what you're now doing.

Yeah.

What you're now doing. It makes sense. All comes full circle.

That's so cool. I never had that connection.

That was a good one.

Right?

That's so cool. I love that. And gosh, so I know you taught, you said you talked to, um, you handle a lot of women that are going through like their stuff with their marriages and, but it's, and it's mainly focused on them. Tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah, so the type of woman that I love to work with, she is the high achiever. She's tried every healing modality known to man. Um, she's invested the time, the money, the energy on counseling and therapy and books and podcasts, and it's really not for a lack of effort that she feels stuck. So when she comes to me, I'm usually her last ditch effort. And she is typically the type, um, if you're speaking attachment language, for those who know that, the anxious type. So just really wanting closeness, wanting connection, feels threatened by conflict, threatened by separation and distance, deep fear of abandonment. And her partner that she tends to be with— majority of the women I work with is the more avoidant type. So he feels safer with space and independence, and too much intimacy actually triggers him. And so it's this fun cat and mouse, chase and run dynamic that I can relate to.

Wow.

Okay.

So, and basically what you were able to— you dove into your own relationship and then have in turn gotten to pour that into helping the other women with the same issues that you went through. So you're like, yeah, got you. I went through this. This is what we're doing.

Yeah. Yeah. You ask who my ideal client is. It's me on paper where I was 3 years ago. Like that's who I love to work with. And it's helpful that she is, she has that tenacity and desire to do whatever it takes. But so much of the work once she's inside is actually teaching her to release that, that, that in and of itself can be. Coping mechanism, survival response that she's needed to survive everything she's gone through. But it's now time to slow down and to feel safety in her body and her spirit on the deepest subconscious spiritual level she's ever tasted.

Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, they— that's why they have the saying that you are, you are the best person to help your old self.

Uh, yeah, I was just thinking that right as she was going into that.

I'm like, So anybody that's going through everything that you went through, you are that best person to help them out with their next progress.

I love that so much. Yeah. And it reminds me too, even some of the work that we do in sessions, um, whether group or one-on-one, is we'll, we'll get in touch with even our future self, you know, really like guided visualizations, some parts work, and meeting that future higher wiser sage self and seeing what wisdom she, in our case working with women, has to offer. And so it's powerful stuff.

I love that. What are some great tools that you recommend? Um, obviously not going into too much detail as to everything you do, but what are like one or two great tools that you recommend to women at the very beginning on trying to work through those, um, issues that they're going through?

Yeah, and I'm an open book. I'll share whatever. Um, I don't believe in gatekeeping, so ask me anything. Where we start with Lemon is learning how to dissolve shame and embody radical self-acceptance and self-compassion right out the gate. Um, because these women are high achievers, that also usually comes with a super loud inner critic. Um, this internal voice that is kind of whipping her to move faster and like, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and do better. And that's got her through a lot in life and in business, but it has actually been a repelling factor in her relationship. And so She feels a lot of shame, a lot of shame for how did we even get here? My marriage isn't what I hoped it to be. I've made tons of mistakes. My husband, like, I can't talk to people about what's really going on. So that's the first place we start, cuz it doesn't matter how awesome the coaching and the nervous system tools are to follow. It's all gonna go in one ear, out the other. If you're spiraling in a shame storm, what's a tactic that you help your clients get out of that when they are in the middle of that storm? Something really simple that makes all of them roll their eyes because they're used to jumping through hoops and doing like— they're looking for the next really hard, mind-blowing, paradigm-shifting thing. And one example of what I'll offer them is literally put your hand over your heart and practice speaking self-compassionately to yourself. And for some, that's so foreign, or it's just annoying to hear. That was me when I first— when my coach first said, wow, you have a really loud inner critic. Like, let's practice cultivating some actual physical touch, hand on your chest, self-compassion. I was like, are you kidding me? Did I just get to kindergarten class? Like, I paid how much for your program and this is what you're telling me? But it was such a shift for me and it's such a shift for these women who actually don't need to jump through this triathlon of a healing program. It's actually coming back to simplicity and back to things that literally children can practice, right?

Oh, because simple is—

was it—

what was that thing that you said? Keep it simple, stupid.

Yeah, there's something. Yeah, KISS.

Yeah, yeah, it's KISS. Yeah, it's— it's so good. I mean, back to the basics. The men's side of things, I am very much a go-go type of person, and I realized also when I take in simple tactics and tools just to slow myself down, just to be more grounded, be more one with myself. It goes a long way with everything else going on. Like, it just slows you down. You're more present, you're more relaxed, rather than kind of being, like you mentioned, anxious and all over the place with things. So I love that.

I love that. I actually never heard keep it simple, stupid. I was in network marketing for years and they said keep it simple, sweetie. Oh, that's cute.

I like that better.

We go, we go deep on it. Yeah. The sweetie, I guess that's the nicer version.

That, that, or I was like, when you said it that way, I thought it was supposed to be keep it, uh, keep it stupid simple. Like, like having it be like, yeah, backwards thinking it was having to be, you know, ridiculously, um, the other way around.

Yeah.

So I was like, well, yeah, just simple, simple is easier and everybody thinks it has to be this complex. Thing or these complex steps that you have to take.

Yeah. So once they've gotten through that and they're more present, they're more one with themselves, what's like another, um, tool or tactic to try to get them to, you know, see the differences of people? Because like you mentioned, you know, they're— these— the women are in one way, the men are completely opposite, but they can still coincide together. How, how is that something that you kind of bring to light for them?

Yeah, we really start with the bottom up. And speaking just from a coaching perspective, there's top-down therapy, which is what we think of when we think of therapy— traditional talk therapy, couples counseling, um, the things we mentioned like podcasts, books. That's all brain, right? Cerebral. And so that's called top-down. Somatic is different. It's bottom up. And so we actually start with the root, the literal base of the body. And so after we learn to dissolve shame, get out of the storm, just enough where a woman feels safe enough to be like, oh, I can show myself and my weakness and my not pretty parts in this space. We get to work on the foundation and learning to establish safety again in our nervous system. Most of them are caught in years or maybe even a lifetime of either fight, flight, freeze response. And so it's learning to bring the body back from that survival response that was needed again to get through whatever was necessary, but now they're so done and tired of surviving, they're ready to thrive again. And so what that looks like is just different depending on the client and the nervous system. But this is where I start to help them build their somatic toolbox of when I am in a fight response, what do I literally do? Um, some women have a unique relationship with anger. You know, we're conditioned to see it's bad, or we're like a crazy bitch if we have anger, and We stuff it down or it squeaks out in ways that harms ourselves and others and then cue more shame. So instead it's how can we release this from the body? If you're angry, we're going to try things like literally shaking it out, like shaking, discharging energy from the body, maybe screaming into a pillow or a lot of my clients' favorite, the car. The car is like the female version of the man cave. Yes. Teaching them maybe sacred rage. And so just depending on what the thing they're caught in is, The goal is to help them taste at first safety and then expand their nervous system's capacity to stay there and go back there.

So it will like setting, basically setting an anchor. Yeah. Setting an anchor, like where's the safe place? Like when I'm having a meltdown or a breakdown, this is the anchor that I need to go to so I could come back to my center, if you will.

Is that, that's exactly the word. Yeah. And the program I run, it's funny you say that, is Root to Rise. So we root before anything. It's like no flower or a plant or anything can grow, right? Without being planted in fertile soil and rooted. So we start at the bottom before trying to build anything like the sexy stuff they come in wanting to learn. Like, teach me to communicate better with my husband and have a deeper intuition, you know, relationship with that. And we gotta start with the root, the anchor. I love that. Yeah.

You're like, there's no magic sauce. Yeah. We're starting at the root and we have to do the work to get up to the top. Exactly. Love it.

What's one of the biggest, uh, things, or I guess tactics you'll tell somebody when they come into your program? Because we're high entrepreneurs as well. And again, for myself, I'm like, yeah, what's— no, I need to get to here. Like, how do I just get to here? So how do you bring those women back to like, hey, I know you want to get to here, but there's no way you're going to get to there from just jumping there. We have to start here because there's probably some people that will go through your program that are just trying to skip ahead so much? How do you kind of anchor them back down for somebody else out there who's really trying to be one with themselves?

Yeah, great question. And it is just a lot of empathy relating to them and inviting them back to, right, the simplicity, the home, the basics, the foundation, and validating the hell out of their frustration. Yes, I get it. You're used to being a go-getter and making stuff happen fast in life and achieving big things. And so somatic work, I tell them, I set the expectation out of the gate, this is going to be a lot more subtle. Like the big breakthrough in the transformation isn't usually from this major, like cataclysmic earthquake that happened. It's going to be these tiny, almost imperceivable shifts that add up day to day and eventually reach this tipping point where for so long you're going to wonder Am I ever going to get there? Until you get to a place where you wonder, whoa, how did I get here? Like, I'm feeling new. I'm feeling lighter. I'm not checking his phone every second because I'm afraid who's texting him, or I'm not triggered by my kids the way that I used to. Like, starting to anchor in those shifts. My job is to slow them down enough to see them because the high achiever can pass over them really quickly.

Oh yeah.

Like, oh, that's nothing. Let's move on to the next problem. It's like, hold on, hold on. Like you said, anchor, let's anchor that in and expand that.

Love that. So you're helping them see their progress along the way. You're slowing them down cuz you're like, okay, you're going so fast, you're gonna miss all the good stuff. Yeah. This, this is what you've already accomplished. Look at where you're at. And then they look back, they get to look back and be like, wow, you're right. I need to slow down.

Yeah. In the words of your podcast. Yeah. Like recognizing the gold, those little gold nuggets, like don't miss over those cuz what you focus on, that's gonna expand. And so if you're constantly focused on the problems and fixing— again, great skill set in business and things like that— but if in life, like, if you want more joy, more ease, more peace, more connection, when those happen, it's learning to— how can I normalize this in my nervous system as, whoa, maybe good things can stay? Because that's another thing too. A lot of these women have been through so much trauma, rug pulled out from underneath of them. Their normal is chaos, and the nervous system is going to cling to what's familiar and choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar heaven any given day of the week. So yeah, we've gotta— when those unfamiliar good moments come up, like, start to normalize and feel safe with those.

Yeah. No, and I think it, it goes back to like the anchoring those, those joyful like moments and that they're able to go back to that and then start accumulating more of those joyful moments that gets them out of that darkness. And now that darkness is old news.

Yeah, exactly.

She actually just brought up a great point. I didn't even think of it until just then is the past to present. Obviously we're dealing with a lot of individuals who have a past, whether or not it's good, bad for you. A lot of the past is not good and that's why they're coming to you. How do you break that cycle of, but here, but then this, this happened, this happened, and like always thinking of the past? Because unfortunately with entrepreneurs, sometimes, yes, we're very future focused, but our past is still in our back of our ear talking to us 24/7.

Yeah, this is exactly what trauma does, is it keeps us out of the present moment, and we're either replaying the past or we're future tripping about the future. But I mean, the most classic example I can think of is you think of war veterans with PTSD, where they could have been in combat 3 decades ago, but fireworks go off 4th of July, they're reliving that now as if It's happening in this exact moment. Like, that is from 30 years ago. But if it's living in the body, right, if our body keeps the score, it's gonna keep replaying it out as if it's continuing to happen. So that's really common and probably one of the biggest challenges these women face because they have gone through significant ruptures or traumas, whether before the marriage or in the marriage. And so it's this fear of, is it even possible to move forward and repair after what, you know, significant stuff is done? So the invitation is really to, again, find— have that toolbox of this is what can bring me safely back into the present moment and into my body when I notice myself replaying the past and the future, because it is an illusion of safety when we go to those things, anything outside of ourselves to try to feel safe. And the reality, the gold, you know, the, the secret, which it's not— it's really, it's really intuitive once we actually start practicing it. The secret is safety is only found right here in this present moment, in our body, in our connection to self, connection to our God, whatever word you use there. Yeah. This is where safety is actually found.

Yeah, no, I love that because it's tapping into your, to your inner self and learning that you're your safe place and you have to remind yourself of that. And then you were talking about the affirmations that for what to get women to use to do that, and they're looking at you like, what? Yeah, really? But it works. I, I remember when I was going through postpartum with my daughter and I struggled with that so hard. And then I had to start kind of reminding myself, I'm in a safe place. This is just a phase. You got this. It's, it's gonna be okay. But doing it in like front of the mirror. So I'm looking at myself. Have, have you ever done mirror work and does like, is that something that you ever encouraged your clients? I was just thinking about that. Cause I know not a lot, not a lot of people talk about mirror work or they think it's total like woo woo. You know what I, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. No, I love that. I've definitely done mirror work, and depending on the client, it can be really potent. So for some, that's too much, you know, too much, too fast, too soon. And so that's something that it's like, let's try it in sips and tastes. And for some women, it might be trying it for a couple of seconds, being like, okay, that was literally enough for today, because just depending on what they've been through, connection, even eye contact, can feel threatening. And so at the same time, it's so potent once it does feel safe and you can learn to lean into it in a way where you can still stay present. It's so healing, that connection to self, because to all the stories I've heard, all the crazy stuff women have gone through and things that have happened to them, you know, they have every right to stay stuck in a victim energy like they are by definition victims. In many cases to abuse, abandonment, betrayal. Um, but they don't want to stay there. They, they want to come out. And what I find underneath all of the hurt is actually the deepest wound that they all end up sharing, like, that hurts more than anything, is the self-abandonment. Like, sure, maybe I was abandoned by my family, my dad, my husband, whatever. Maybe I was betrayed, but it's the self-betrayal, the way that I haven't spoken my truth or protected myself or spoken up for myself. That's the deepest wound. So mirror work is amazing for healing that at the right pace.

Yeah.

Um, shoot, no, I was gonna say that how the self and, uh, self-abandonment I think is almost like the, the hardest or the harshest, like, work on yourself that, that really Really, like, attacks your body.

Yeah, and it starts to show up in symptoms, like all these symptoms we've got now in modern-day America. And yeah, just, uh, it's a result of us not tuning into, listening to, or even like knowing the language of our own body. And that's not our fault. Yeah, we're not conditioned that way. I don't know about you guys, but I didn't grow up with my parents being like What's your body telling you?

Or like, no, no, I played, I played ice hockey. It was the complete opposite. It was, it was, it was going to knock that guy out. Oh, you're hurt. Well, you should ignore your body and you're not hurt and get back out there.

Oh, okay. 100%. Yeah. Tough boys don't cry, right? Like get on over it. Like all of that, it was parents trying to teach us to be gritty and resilient, but when you study even Brené Brown's work of shame resilience, the most resilient people out there are the ones who are able to have empathy towards self, not like whipping themselves into shape.

Yeah. So you're referring to, uh, gosh, is it Daring Greatly?

Oh yeah.

Or her other one.

I mean, her work in general, but are you talking— what is it, Daring Bravely? Daring Greatly. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. I haven't read it.

She talks a lot.

She talks a lot about, uh, yeah, that's her thing.

She's great.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Without a doubt.

No, she's good.

Now, question for you, cuz we talked a little bit beforehand, but can you explain to, um, the women that, you know, maybe wanting to go through your program and hearing about it, and let's just say they have that man on the other spectrum of things, but you have a course for them. Um, I know you said it's not a one-on-one course, but can you elaborate a little bit more on that so that way they know, oh, okay, there, there is something that they can also get out of it as well.

Yes. Yeah. The program that I run, it's a group coaching program called Root to Rise, and it's a 3-month group program. If people want to add on a one-on-one portion, that's available too. We don't want anyone to fall through the cracks. Yeah. Um, but that's really the journey— we started to talk about it— that they go on, where dissolving shame, establishing safety in the nervous system, and then learning how to really confidently navigate triggers stepping back into power for whatever have— has knocked them out of their power in life, uh, completing grief, learning to set boundaries. Yeah, communicate in an embodied, authentic way that's going to open the chances of it leading to connection. And then as the end of the journey comes near, it's repairing that corroded relationship with her own intuition and healing any spiritual wounds is actually where we end on. So a lot of women that come through have had either church hurt, religious trauma, spiritual abuse. And I tell all of them, before, you know, you graduate, spread your wings and fly, I really want that piece of your life to feel aligned and on straight, whatever that looks like for you. But when I'm not around, right, I want you to know that you have yourself and you have your connection, your spiritual connection. And so that's kind of bird's eye view where we end. But yeah, it's It's, it's an incredible community of women that I am in love with and inspired by every day. And, um, details I'm sure will be in the show notes if you want to.

Yeah, we will definitely add it. Yeah. Um, now is that a, um, a scheduled 3-month? So like people can't just join and they can join anytime?

Yeah, it's open enrollment, so whenever fits her lifestyle.

Gotcha. Now So again, we like to throw some polarizing, uh, questions out there every now and again. You mentioned spirit, the spiritualized side of it at the end. How do, how do you, or how do you communicate with some people who are just like, mm-hmm, that ain't happening, or I'm not even on that spectrum of things, or you get that resistance, or nope, I don't like the religion. Nope, I don't like the spiritual. Like, how do you kind of ground people that, hey, it's still there, or do you kind of let them make that decision on their own?

Yeah, so going back to how you even introduced me at the beginning, you said trauma-informed somatic coach, right? And the trauma-informed piece is really just putting the power into my client's hands and a lot of invitational language, because part of the trauma is they— especially when it comes to spirituality— is they've been forced to do things and it hasn't been good, from my experience too. So it's really just, hey, I'm offering this whole buffet, take what you want, leave what doesn't. And also I'll say God cuz that's what I'm comfortable with.

Yeah.

But replace that with whatever term you want. So yeah, it is, it's, it's gotta be an inclusive, like that they feel permission to do whatever they want with the information being offered. You still there?

Yeah.

Oh, you're back.

Am I internet?

Uh, I don't know. It was either yours or ours, but we're back and we're still going. We'll just edit that.

Just take a good pause.

Pregnancy pause.

Yeah, we'll just edit. Exactly. We'll just edit that portion. It'll be perfect. Be fine. Cool. Um, but no, you ended that one really good. Um, nope, go for it. And so they come into your program, they do the 3 months, um, and they get that spiritualized stuff at the very end. What's usually kind of like the next steps you recommend to them, provide to them, or, um, what's the route that they usually will go after that?

Yeah, that's a great question. It's so individualized. They'll have, uh, a graduation call. With a member of my team just to really hear, like, what— let's anchor in the wins again, all the breakthroughs. But also, we want you to be set up for whatever the next best aligned steps are. So it's totally a mix. Some decide they want to extend their time in the program after that. They feel like they've gotten significant breakthrough but just have loved the support and want to continue a little longer. Some come into, um, specific clients. I have an invitation into another private program, and that's not for everyone, but just depending on where she's at, if that's an aligned fit, I'll personally invite her. And then other times it's just, all right, you're good to go. Like, go have fun, live life, stay in touch, you know, keep me posted, and I'll see you on Instagram. Yeah. So all of that's very individualized.

That's cool. Oh my gosh. It sounds like you are just changing lives one day at a time.

Yeah. Nobody's asked me that last question. I loved that one.

Yeah.

Kind of follow through to that question is, what's been the most fun in this journey of yours, um, from the deep depths that you were at at one point with your marriage to where you are right now?

So what's been the most fun for me personally? Yeah. Oh gosh, probably just reclaiming the play. When I think of my honeymoon, we were in Dominican Republic and we played hide and seek. I was like, never did I imagine, you know, so awesome. I love childlike play. And so we were so playful and pranked each other all the time. And when we went through all the rupture and the darkness and everything, we weren't laughing anymore. We definitely weren't playing. We weren't pranking. And so because that's who we are by nature, to have that reclaimed has been everything. And now we've got kids and so having them, you know, being playful with them, but just the silliness back, the banter, the, yeah, the childlikeness has just been everything for me.

That's awesome. Well, because you like reignited that, that flame that you guys had and you brought it back to life and you were able to be like your childlike selves with each other and be like, this is what it's about. This is where we're supposed to be. That is so cool. I love that for you.

Thank you.

A little good follow-up question to that is you brought, brought up kids. Did the kids portion have anything to do with you guys falling off? Um, how, how does that, how does the kids play into all of that? Because we have a lot of, um, um, yeah, families on the podcast listening and they're going through maybe some tough times, um, because the kids take up a lot of the time, or the kids, um, all the focus is on them.

100%. Some of the trends I see of like a breaking, make-or-break point for couples is around year 10 of marriage and also when the kids are young. So for us, it was that— it was year 10 of marriage, the kids were How old were they? They were like 3 and 1 at the time. Um, no, more like 4 and 2. I can't even remember now. Literally, that time is such a blur. Like I told you, I'm bad with dates. Yeah, but my son was old enough to be like, where's Dad? And me feeling like that just tore my soul apart. Like, my— I think every mom's biggest fear is I don't want to traumatize my kids. I don't want us to pass our junk down onto my kids. I want better for them. And so I didn't even— I didn't handle everything perfectly. I just remember trying to stay present and be there for my kids while I'm feeling like I'm drowning. I mean, it's just not easy. So I'd say it was— being a parent is— it unlocks this new level of joy but also a next level of stress that if you don't have the rooted, you know, nervous system capacity to hold expanded levels, it's gonna rock you. And it totally rocked us, but it was also a motivation for me to give it every last shot that I could because I loved our family and I didn't want that for us, for them. And so that's how I'd answer that.

No, I love that.

That's so good. Yeah.

What would— last thing that we'd like to tie up at the end of our podcast interviews are what are 3 golden nuggets that you would share with our listeners based off of what you coach.

I love that. So after this episode, I'll keep it simple stupid. I would say 3 nuggets is one, start with practicing this week, even just a little bit more self-compassion, whatever you're going through. Try the hand over heart, even if you're rolling your eyes doing it. Um, from there, would encourage you just to get curious about your body and your symptoms. You don't have to know the language of your body yet or know how to move trauma out. Out. But just even noticing and recognizing and getting curious, that's a step towards coming home, right, to yourself and being with yourself instead of self-abandoning. And then third nugget is, I would just say podcasts are great. I love podcasting, I love being on podcasts. Books are amazing. I'm such a reader, you know. Coaching, therapy, all of it's amazing. But truly, your internal compass and your unique blueprint is best direction and guidance that you've got, navigating like what your next best steps are. So I just say that to those who are desperate for answers and how easy it is to cling to other people's opinions. But my invitation would just be to get really curious, to tune into your own intuition, your own God, your own, you know, quiet whisper of the best next steps for your life and relationship.

That's so good. Yay. Thank you for sharing.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, I love that. Becky, thank you again for being on our podcast. We truly appreciate it. Everybody listening, definitely check out Your Breakthrough Blueprint. It's a great podcast. Even though she said don't listen to all the podcasts, you gotta listen to hers cuz it's gonna create those tools so that way you can center yourself, be more grounded, and understand kind of some of the traumas or things that you've been going through. Follow her on Instagram. She's awesome. And then again, don't forget to follow us, like everything, comment. If you have any questions, concerns, feel free to reach out to us. We're here for you. We just want you to grow, be stronger, and thank you again for listening. Take care.

Thank you.