Shobhit Banga @Josh Talks | Finding RIGHT CAREER, Mindset, Growth & Unleashing Human Potential

My hero story is a 26 year old with just one thing in mind. How to unlock human potential. I belong to a small town. I studied in a small school in my early years and I got the opportunity to move from this small town to a very big city, Bangalore. And I saw the world and the potential that people had and what you could go out there and achieve. And then I also got the opportunity to study for a short while at Harvard. And I met students there, people who were going to swim for the U.S. olympic team. And I saw how much is possible, how much one human can achieve in one line. If I had to put it, it is that I think we sell ourselves too short. I think we just don't push hard enough or even try to go after a big enough bet or a big enough objective. You know, how colossal are our dreams is sometimes, sometimes the biggest question. Sometimes we just want to try to go till the next orbit and that's the mindset that we start off with. But I think even my parents have always told me to think incrementally but that is not how I believe it should be done. I think we need to all sit at homes and when we talk about our dreams we talk big, think massive. Because if you don't think massive we will almost definitely end up selling ourselves too short.

My name is Avi Arya, Father of two girls, six dogs, husband to a superwoman, a streetcar racer turned hotelier, now social media marketer and founder of Internet Boggles.

Awesome. My hero story is a 26 year old with just one thing in mind. How to unlock human potential.

Wow.

If I had to put it in as crisp a way as possible, I think that's how I would like to put it.

Lovely. So tell us Shobhit, there are people who are listening are 13 to 19 and then middle aged people and then senior citizens. What is the one message when people are starting off? Because especially now after this whole pandemic has happened. What is your one message that people should have in terms of their mindset when they're starting off? What is your message to all kinds of people who are starting off?

I think my in one line, if I had to put it, it is that I think we sell ourselves too short. I think we just don't push hard enough or even try to go after a big enough bet or a big enough objective. You know, how colossal are our dreams is sometimes, sometimes the biggest question. Sometimes we just want to try to go till the next orbit and, and, and that's the mindset that we start off with. But I think, I think, I think even my parents have always told me to think incrementally. But that is not how I believe it should be done. I think we need to all sit at homes and when we talk about our dreams, we talk big, think massive. Because if you don't think massive, we will almost definitely end up selling ourselves too short. So I think that would be my initial and first message to anyone that is thinking of starting up or even starting their life, let's say an 18 year old. I think that would be my, be my first message that you can't just aim to get a job in a good, you know, company. That's just, that's just. What a waste, What a waste of your next few years of your life. Yeah, that dream goddamn big. That would be my advice.

Awesome. So tell me when you know most youngsters, not most, but many youngsters, I am joining a company, free lunch, dinner or you know, weekend parties rather than joining a mentor who can change their lives. Many people are saying, you know, ctc.

So.

How would you advise somebody to find the right company to work for?

So I think there is, I think there is a very. To have to do incredibly great work. I believe that a person needs to have some degree of a sense of purpose. And that sense of purpose does not lie in things like a free lunch. And this is got to be mentorship advice. Life lessons that have got to come to a child when, let's say a child is, let's say 13 or 14 till the time a person is 18 when he actually has to start making key decisions for his or her life. And I think it's just it. It is, it is, it is. I can't share enough or focus enough on how disgusting it is to actually hear someone say that about their job at Google, you know, and it is so sad to hear that. And I think I'd even read somewhere that Google is actually only waiting for that one person. People, you know, who, who are not there for that reason, you know, who grow beyond that very, very quickly. So, so, so yeah, I think, I think it just, it's just, it's just disturbing almost to hear that knowing, knowing that the only way to do incredible work is to have this sense of purpose behind almost like this mission that you are on in life. And a pursuit to achieve that only comes when, when you have that and a free lunch is insignificant as compared to the high that the mission gives you.

Right. But Shobhit, I don't know my mission. I'm only 21 Pele. Mom, dad, school, Karlo for college. Then I just. I don't know my mission, you know, I just. And plus, the thing is, I'm so dependent on my parents, I don't know what to do. So that's why I compromise and get these kind of jobs.

So I think that's completely understandable. I think the first step is to become aware that I don't know what the hell I want to do and not to go after the safest option. After getting to know this, I think, I think the immediate step to take here is to figure out. I'm reading. So my brother reads a lot of Robert Greene and he's been telling me to read Robert Green. I only recently started this book called Mastery and very see is that, that at this stage we've got to go after, find what our inclination is and pursue that inclination with a degree of discipline, with a high degree of discipline and take that risk at that early age of 18 to 21 where, let's say what you're doing with your daughter, they have got a phenomenal mentor. I think not, not 0.1% of the world is lucky enough to have that. So for that audience, I think you've got to. I see this even to our team at Josh. You have got to inorganically learn. You cannot rely on experiences to teach you because that is just a very inefficient way to learn and grow because eventually I think people will figure out by their mid-30s that, oh my God, this is totally bullshit. I have no reason. I probably make decent enough money, but most people will not even be able to say that. So I think, I think, I think at 21, we've got to very clearly put in our minds that you have got to learn inorganically. You cannot rely on experiences like our parents have relied on because they never had Google, they never had videos, they never had YouTube, they never had this book that you're going to publish. And now we do. So we can go out there and we can read Mastery by Robert Greene. We can watch videos of people around and learn inorganically, but not with, but with a very disciplined, regimented, almost focus to learn and to grow. And I think that would be my advice to a 21 year old. So, sure, do that job. But apart from that job, you've got to learn inorganically.

Got it. So I love what you said. So you're saying there's no right or wrong right now. Your situation is such that you need that job for survival. So take that practical option and but keep understanding. What is your inner inclination towards? Maybe it's towards cricket. Maybe you want to do something around cricket or it's around, you know, engineer whatever it is around. Work on that as well. Don't say that. I've just got a job and I can't do anything else and stay aware and read books.

I think the, the to find your inclination is a function of exposure. How much do you know? Right. An inclination, I also believe is not generally just towards enough. It is towards sometime also a right that you want to wrong. A wrong that you want to right. It is. It is. You go to find that, and you can only find that if you are exposed to it. So for example, for me, I got the opportunity to. So I belong to a small town. I studied in a small school in my early years and I got the opportunity to move from this small town to a very big city, Bangalore. And I saw the world and the potential that people had and what you could go out there and achieve. And. And then I also got the opportunity to study for a short while at Harvard and I met students there, people who are going to swim for the U.S. olympic team. And I saw how much is possible, how, how much one human can achieve. And I relate that to my maid at home and what she is doing and the efficiency of utilization of her potential. And I almost feel that this is a wrong that I have to right. This is my life's mission. But this cannot come sitting at home. This has to come. This comes. So I think finding your inclination or finding a sense of purpose is a function of exposure. So how much exposure you have is. Or at the speed at which you expose yourself to new things is how you end up finding that. So 21 already pretty late, but in some ways pretty soon. And yeah, it's, it's, it's. Yeah, perfect.

So tell me, in terms of exposure, so you said you came from a small town and then you went to Bangalore and then. So how do you, how did you build your, your ecosystem of see ecosystem, and correct me, is ecosystem that you have to only hang out with the billionaires and the very successful people or how do you build any. And how do you build one? And how did you build your ecosystem that gives you a constant exposure?

Absolutely. So I think until, until my generation, you had to be relatively lucky. You had to be lucky to be born to a certain kind of a family. You had to be lucky to be born to a certain kind of resource background that, that your family had to be able to expose you to the world and the possibilities. But I think that is only true until my generation. I'll give an example of why I'm saying, saying that. So my dad is a doctor and he had this dream that his kids have to, have to have to see the world and they have to. You know, he didn't want us to get stuck in this small town with the small limited thinking horizons, so he wanted us to go out there and explore. And because of that push, for example, when even when I was in, in. In Kullu, where I grew up for most of my life, he bought me every single famous five. So the entire set of famous fives when I had not even read one book in my entire life, right? So he didn't buy me one. He bought me, I think, all like 24 and the. And the secret sevens. And so I was able. I was probably one of the few people in Kullu who could speak in English because my dad was so persistent on the fact that you have to, you have to be able to speak in English, right? But I think again that. I don't think many dads said that. My dad was a doctor. I was lucky to be like, you know, Warren Buffett says I won the ovarian lottery. I was born to. Born to the privilege. And, and, and that same drive in my dad was what got us to shift to a larger city in the pursuit to find more and to do more. And that's how, that's how it started. But again, this is all pre geo, pre Internet, pre, pre YouTube era. So you had to be lucky. There was no other way. And, and then of course I had this. I was into sport and various things. So I think not getting into that too much, but I think today a person grows up on YouTube, right? I think even my six year old nephew, my masses. I think younger son is basically watching YouTube at 6 years of age. So he's gonna grow up finding content, which is basically exposure, right? I couldn't get this in loop, so I had to travel to Bangalore and to Harvard to see that life. But now I see that on YouTube. So it's. It's not exactly the same, but it is similar. And I think, I think now it is possible for every single person in the world to force themselves to get exposed because the Internet and I think at Josh, what our real mission is also is to, is to, is to. I think, I think inspiration and exposure are the two undervalued things in the world. Because if you have, if you, if you have the right kind of Inspiration and you expose yourself enough. These are two traits that every single successful person talks about when they're looking back back at their story. Right. You spoke about this when you spoke about your story and how you got exposed to the Internet.

Right.

None of this would have happened. You not got exposed to the Internet and I doubt many 44 year olds got exposed to the Internet when they were. I think you mentioned you were in your teens, right?

I was 19 years old.

Yeah. So 19. Right. So I think most people got exposed to Internet when they were 30 plus. So you had 10 year advantage and you know over everybody else from that generation. So I think yeah. At Josh, we believe that we are going to go after this, we're going to create and we focus mostly on the grassroots of the country. So people who come, who cannot even speak in English fluently, whose household income is under 30,000 rupees per month and the people for example, who have this itch to do well, but no resources online because still all the exposure on the Internet is primarily in English. And what we are trying to do is create that in vernacular languages, whether that is videos on YouTube or whether that skills that people need to acquire to be able to do well in life. So again that's what, that's what I wouldn't just advise to people, but I personally believe to the bottom of my heart and what I am spending all my life gonna do is to that. Yeah.

Awesome. Love it. So you came to a big city and you understood that the Internet allows you to build an ecosystem and you got people, you got exposure and you started building exposure. But like meeting the right people. I always. So my aim used to be when I started the agency, I already had two small successful businesses. A small hotel business and a travel company. But back then that was giving me a net profit of almost 30 lakh rupees a month in 2005. So I didn't go run for money. I wanted to go and now meet more people and for my agent. Because I found in every phase of your life, hotel area, May, then you became travel company, affiliate marketing and all of that, that became very big. I didn't even know it was called affiliate marketing. Anyway, that became very big.

Yeah.

And small industry, you became, you know, known. When I went into the agency world, I realized that every time a man is forced with new challenges. Because when I went to the agency world and I spoke to people, nobody gave me, they gave me zero credit for what I'd done in the past. I had to start from scratch again. This time, obviously YouTube and all was coming up little more and I started making more videos and I started getting known faster because I knew that up SEO videos focus. However, I had a system, I used to say for people to know me, I'm going to meet three new people every day. So I used to call up my uncles and people I knew and you know, like showbit. Can you introduce. I, you know, my target is three people a day, 15 a week. So you know, can you at least recommend three? So you said, yeah, yeah, I can help you. But yeah, Monday. So I had to continuously call people and you know, then I went on Facebook and all of these people coming. I was, I inbox, started inboxing the whole world. Then I started inboxing videos. People started blocking me. This guy sending us videos, he doesn't even know us. It's rude to get into somebody's inbox if you don't know them. So slowly, slowly I built my interest, this thing like that. I may used to make a list of people. How did you, you know everybody now everybody knows Joe Stocks before everybody knew Joe Stock. How did you reach out to people? Because it's a very integral part of business today. All the 13 to 19 year olds or the 20 to 50 year olds or the 50 plus who are watching this, everybody's like, you know, your network is necessary. So what is your suggestion on how to meet the right people?

I think there are two parts to that. One is after, you know, with clarity, what do you want to do then? How do you meet people? And, and until then, how do you want to meet people? And I think until then is a tougher one. And after that there is some degree of clarity as to why are you even meeting people. So I'll talk about the second one first because I think the first one just happened by chance. And the first one is slightly, slightly slight, slightly tougher. So the second one was. So I remember one of the first speakers that we ever got to speak at Georgetown was Papa cj. He was, he was this massive celebrity that we all wanted, you know, gosh, we can convert Papa CG to come and give a talk at Josh. That will be crazy. So I remember Supri and I used to go to every Papa Seeja show that probably he'll come out of this exit. Will catch him. He'll probably come out of this exit and we'll catch him. So, and you know, networking work, none of that actually, you know, it's just, you've just got the second part, therefore it's Easier because you've got this obsession and obsession makes it simpler to decide what to do and how to. How to do it right. So we were obsessed with getting Papa Sej and that was the only one life's mission. And we send all emails this, that. But it was of course like everybody is calling him to come everywhere. So at one of the shows what happened was that his assistant hadn't come that day. And this is Cyber City in Gurgaon in. In Cyber Hub and like a painting from. From Cyber that he was doing for Cyber. So. So it was in the amphitheater and I think his assistant or, or the two or three people with him who come every time weren't there that day. So I saw that now he will have to pick up this thing himself and take it to his car which I knew is in the back parking because I was stressed. I was tracing him. Where is he going? What?

Sorry, Internet.

After the show, Sapia and I were both there. Sorry, can you hear me now?

Hello? Can you hear me?

Can you hear me now? I can hear you.

Yeah. Okay. Can you see me loud and clear?

Because yes, I can see it loud and clear.

Easy. Okay. Okay. Now you okay? Yeah.

Yes. I think he was about. He was about to pick up his stuffs and I ran to him and I just picked it up for him and I said I'll. I'll help you to your car. And it was about, you know, I don't know, a 200 meter walk to his car. And in those 200 meters I pitched him Joe stocks and the first ever George talks conference. And he said yes, that is fantastic. He would love to be a part. And you know, that was the day. And you know, I knew that, I knew that he, you know, this is how you do it. So I think, I think, I think the second part onwards it's easier because you've got a very clear obsession that you have to convert top of. There is a reason and then you can go out there and, and get that done. I think the first part is the more interesting part is the part where I think most people spend most of the most of their time. And I think this has purely got to do with drive. There is nothing else. This has got to do with fire in the belly. I used to stammer a lot in my entire childhood. I still do. And I was always. I was never able to talk to people ever. But I remember that since the day that I knew that I have to go out there and I have to be someone. I almost forgot about that, you know, it took some time. Of course it took a lot of failures and knowing that you're gonna become, you're gonna remain a loser unless you, you overcome this. And I started going to every single entrepreneur meet. There was shortage of the entrepreneur meet meet with one of my favorite was one of pranas to entrepreneurs which, which used to happen in Delhi and Gurgaon is run by Yogendra phenomenal guy and I met him and you know, this is all pre Josh, all figuring out what do I even want in life. Going to all Thai conferences without a pass and meeting every single speaker and. And you know, I think, I think my Internet again dropped. Sorry. Can you hear me?

Yeah. No, I can't. What I'll do is, you know, at the end there are two, three questions here. Audio note your video pay and you can record it and send it back to me. I'll patch it in.

Perfect. I think, I think sure, we can do that.

So one second. Let me see Internet property. Let me see if I can get a better. This is.

Probably. I will change my position. Could be my Internet. Actually give me one second.

I can't see you very well, but I can hear you. I think.

Yeah. Does this work?

I can see you now, but can you just say something?

Check, check one, two.

Yeah, I think it's better. It's. It's lagging. So what like I said, what I'll do is I'll go through the interview again or questions.

No issues at all.

Great. Okay. So great. I love that. You know what? I. I have a short story as well. I was a huge fan of Gary Vee's and I was like, I'll meet Gary Vee when I ready in my own head. So New Year's Kathambhu. I'm sitting with my wife and we do a family goal setting because I realized my daughter says, papa, maybe I'll go to Harvard, maybe I'll go to Hollywood. The younger daughter is saying, I want to open a horse farm. My wife is saying, I want to open. I want to take care of dogs. We have six dogs. She wants 60 dogs. She wants a farm or I want to do more work in social media training. I said, you have to chart different direction. This is not cool. So let's do our goal setting together. Otherwise. So we were doing our goal setting and all of that dream chart, goal setting, photos, card where we want to go in life and all of that. And then I wrote I want to meet Gary Vee in. You know, and my wife is like when I said after one year, she said, why one year? January New Year ABHI Khadang Voi I would in Vancouver I was going to India. So she said, Gary K office. I said, yeah, I can't call him. She said, you know, write it down. Make it happen. Think of it. And then I could not sleep very well. So I called up my team in my office in India. I said, travel con Karai sir. My Rajasthan Jaram flight. Just do it. Go do a survey. Go to these five, six spots in every city. Do a survey. If Gary because many Gary Kai post want to come to India trying to understand he wanted to take us. I thought if I send people and do a survey that how many people want Gary in India, it will be a valuable video. So I sent two, three teams and I said, please, I want Gary in India. Every afternoon in the office. Garasal Peri Internet mogul Start Kyatamale Zoom Call Pehota Rose Every year, every day we tell them, sir, please give us five minutes. Either join us or the entire office. We have a video from one of our favorite influencers. And I sent it to one of his managers. He said, we love it. Whenever you're coming to New York, let us know. And then that video, when Avi met Gary, that video he saw, he liked it. Then he made a video for me. We, you know, we liked what we were talking about. Then he. Then I had a second meeting and then. So I loved what you said. What I loved was Abit Takpura interview. Whenever somebody talks about their father and gives credit to the family, I love that because family is everything. Selfless.

Absolutely. That is the key. The details are the key. That's what an obsession versus something you want is.

Exactly. So my next question is. So there are people shobit who are in this 50s, 60s and you met all kinds of people Apnea Joe Stocks. Zero says start Kia. Everybody knows Joe Stocks. And now you're going vernacular, all of that. And there are people of 50, 60, 70 who are sitting at home and getting inspired and saying I wish. What is your message to those people?

So I think takes 10 years to build something meaningful. If you're talking from a company point of view, all of us have 10 years. There are enough. There are enough examples in the world of people that started when they were 70. So we see Firefox stores everywhere, right? I think I recently read somewhere that the person who started Firefox was 74 years old when he started Firefox. Of course we know the KFC story and A few other stories like that. I think at the end of the day everybody sells themselves too short. Everybody sells themselves too short because I don't, I think this is, this is what the narrative of the community is. I think this is what for example, the American dream doesn't do. It tells, it advocates dreaming. And in some ways that's what we aspire for Joash to do. I think Josh has got to be the catalyst to a person taking or having big dreams. You know, if I have Josh in my heart, I can do anything. It's like the American dream that if you come to this country you can achieve anything. And, and at the end of the day A64 is at a much better position to do well than a 25 year old.

Right.

Because a 64 year old has so much more knowledge and information to, to take off from. Of course there are some things that everybody will have to unlearn. But now that is true even for a 25 year old. You will have to unlearn some ways none of us like. I don't understand Twitch.

Right, Right.

Biggest thing in the world. And I've got to catch up. And so has my Nani got to catch up. She's 70. So, so I think we've, so that is not an excuse. I think the. Everybody is selling themselves too short. I think that's the summary that.

I love that, I love that, I love that. And this makes sense for that 13 year old guy when you were talking to him and now when you're Talking to that 65, 70 year old guy, you're saying the same thing. A human being is selling themselves short.

Yeah, yeah. I mean more than ever we have examples that show us that we don't know the limit yet. We don't know the limit of how much you can do in one, one life. And, and, and if you look at it, you only need 10 years to do something great. Unless you want to go to Mars, then you need more like 30, 40 years. But if you want to build a great fantastic billion dollar business which is a traditional. What, what, what sort of, let's say everybody wants you, you only need 10 years. And if the only question is not how old you are, the question is do you got 10 years? And, and then I think it all comes down to the fire in the belly. But I think the fire in the belly sort of also becomes a little bit of a negative thing. I think the fire, fire in the belly has got to be built it. And, and, and, and building that fire in the belly is the job of the ecosystem or the narrative in the community. Right. So Agar Sabi. Government job. Government job. Because by, by virtue of using government job, you're going after safety, you're going after a limited goal. You know, Roman Senior Academy says that the best case scenario of me becoming a UPSC officer was that in six years I'll be a dc, a dm. And he says that that is not even close to how much I want from my life.

Wow.

And. And I think, you know, this doesn't just happen. So it's not fair. It is accurate to say that Roman Seni has more fire in the belly than the average Indian. But I don't think it is fair to say that others don't have it or they weren't born with it or Roman was born. Born with it. I think this is a, this is. To have fire in the belly is a function of the principles, the values that you learn, the lessons that you learn in the. In, let's say, a part of your life and implementing that. And today you can learn that inorganically.

Lovely. I love that. So when it comes to Unacademy, when it comes to Josh, when it comes to Udemy, there are so many people today who are creating online platforms for learning. Right. And I've been for your Josh talks. And you know, I saw the way your team sent me an email to invite me from everything. It was so beautifully structured. I. I could imagine, I could understand there was systematization and there was. It sounds very cliched when everybody said empathy. Empathy. But that's the word I saw when I, you know, when you ask somebody and you say, how are you? And you wait for a few seconds for the person to respond, means that you really want to listen and you care. So I saw that in your team, not one, but many people. So I told. I mean, that's where I was like, you know, because I want to know how that trickled down. So this question is in two parts. I want to ask you when so many people are making platforms now like Joe Stocks. I'm not saying competition, but I'm saying a lot of people are getting into the online education space. You people also have courses and, you know, and by the way, some great courses, I've taken some of them and English to Hindi or Hindi to English or an Academy. So at 26, are you worried or you like. Or do you have a plan?

So like I said, you know, my only sole reason to be alive is to unlock human potential. It is not to build a billion dollar Business. I will be more than happy if Ted comes to India and says I will leave and join them. I think we have a very big advantage now and I don't think that will be able to catch up. So probably now I won't. But in the early days I would have. But if you look at for example, an academy, I think we've got to do service. Josh, like I make it very clear to every single person who joins the team that when you join Josh, you are not an employee or a public servant. You've got to remember that clearly your loyalty is not to the company, it's to the people. And you've got to create for them. And I will say the same thing here. I would love for Josh to win, but I, I personally still win. When unlocking of human potential happens now, Unacademy does it or who does it, it doesn't really, really matter. So when we are sitting at Josh and trying to create products and trying to add value, trying to, trying to build things that could improve a person's life, could improve a person going out there and doing phenomenal things, unlocking their potential, we don't look at Unacademy, see what they're doing and then try and do some, something similar. We simply look at. There is a maid that's in my house. Her life outcome could have been completely different had she got certain things in her life. So what I'm emotional about is giving those things to her. Not about building a media business or about, about an edtech platform. In the future, if you can make an injection to, you know, unlock human potential, we'll become an injection company, you know, and so. Sorry. I think so, so, so the objective is just that it's, it's. So are we afraid? No, because I think so. Personally losing or winning either scenario will not go on to impact, will not go on to become history. The only thing that can become a revolution is if we are able to unlock an entire generation's potential where we are able to get the majority of the people in that generation to become super achievers, people who go out there and create value and meaning in the world. Until now we haven't seen that happen ever. Simply because there hasn't been tools to expose so many people to the world and the potential. And finally now there is through, through the Internet. So I think it's, it's, it would be fantastic to win personally, business wise. But the goal is not that. The goal remains to unlock human potential and that's it.

Excellent. So you know what, like this when it comes to. I like that I was speaking to Manish from your office, who's a great guy and you know, he showed me around your office. He showed me a little bit of the culture and everything. And we were talking about. He showed me a few examples of people from not even small towns, they were from sheer villages or shadows. Yeah. So what I love about your work is because of what you started.

Yeah, yeah, right, absolutely. And I think, yeah, that is, that is again, that, yeah, that's a beautiful thought to have that, you know, there is somebody out there in a village who now has hope and more than that conviction that he could go out there and do anything. And, and yeah, I think the key thing has also been to find these speakers from the grassroots who can spark that Josh in people. So, yeah, like I said, I mentioned.

Ritesh's story to you in between. You remind me a lot of Ritesh. I don't know why, because you were the same age when we met or Abhita Kyatha Padan. But I remember that he said the same thing when we met for the first time. And I didn't even like, nobody knew what Oyo was going to become. I think he also didn't know. But the fact was that he said, I want to give a nice experience. I said, what is your business? He said, I want to give a nice experience. And I kept asking him, what is your thing? I said, I want to give a good experience. He was trying to tell me, 20 years elder to him. So I loved your answer. Those are, those are some of the ingredients of a successful career later on, even now. I mean, I'm not saying that Josh is. And I see, when I see Josh going in multiple cities, I automatically like, you don't have to be in multiple cities, but your work is happening in multiple cities. And your Josh people, your team invited me and I went. Like I said, when I see Singhdar in System, I know that God is in that office, you know, and God doesn't mean that you are the God. God means somebody through who everything is flowing and it is flowing, you know. So that was a very nice office experience of yours. Anyway, thanks. So I want one or two last question before I wrap up because specifically this, this online school that we are creating is for. And I send you the list. You've seen the number of speakers from different parts of the world. All of them have come up the hard way and everybody's done something extremely well and everybody's spoken about. I wanted to ask you what are the actionable There are some people who are watching this in different parts of the world right now when it's launched. And I'm talking to the future people who are watching this and they'll be like, all this is great. I need to make money in the next three months to take care of my family. What are the few actionable things that you can tell them? Start a YouTube channel.

Specifically this is the case. Right. They need to feed their family. And therefore, and I think a lot of people say this, leaving your job is not the answer to anything.

Right.

Thank you for saying anything. Leaving college is not the answer to anything. I mean, if you think about it, college is only four to six hours a day actually. Right.

I am so happy you said that because college dropout.

Yeah, no, I think, I think it is sexy to say you're a college dropout, school dropout, things like that. But that is not going to be the common or the average story. And we've got to optimize for that average story. When we create products at Joshua, when, when we are building what we're building, that, that on an average a person is not going to drop out of college and then do very, very well. Because that's not the answer. So I'm sorry, can you repeat the question again?

You said, I said actionable steps for somebody who wants to make money in the next few months. I need the money right now.

Right? So let's say, let's, let's, let's say there's a 21 year old right out of college, get a goddamn job. You know, jobs are available for any even partly driven person can find a job in India. It won't be the best job in India, but it will be any job job in India. There are, you know, and I say that, you know, the trend is that of digital marketing, a course. Great, fantastic. Go do that, you know, do that. Get that 20,000 rupees a month, spend seven and save the rest for whatever else you need to do. You can live in a Delhi, live your entire life in seven to eight thousand rupees a month. So go and do that. And while doing, doing that at the end of the day to come up with that business idea, to come up with the next phenomenal company you're going to create or any of those, those things. That's simply the, the point at which you build something phenomenal from the time that you currently are at a function of time, how much time do you spend doing it? Now if you weren't doing a job, probably you could Add four hours per day to it or five hours per day to it and that's it. Because you're doing a job for let's say 5ish hours where you're actually working. Apart from that you're present. And you know, I would go on to say, you know, like, like, like I used to hide. So my entire college life I listened to audible. I was in classes, but I wasn't actually there. I was behind my books listening to audible. I couldn't read books in front of everybody in class, but I could hide earphone on, in my left ear, sitting on the left most seat at the back of the seat and just put a earphone and actually I'm attending class, but actually I'm listening to the Steve Jobs biography. You know, you know I'm. And I'm learning. So, so optimize, optimize time. At the end of the day, it's time spent. It's a function of time spent. And, and that's what I would say that do a job and spend almost all your time learning.

Lovely, lovely. Show me. Tell us. You know, like I said, our aim is to get this out to at least 300,000 people. So to promote the last 75 days I did 75 webinars and average they were about a thousand people attending. So we built an email list of about 113,500 people only during the lockdown period. And we're going crazy, you know, like I this is the new baby of mine. So till this baby, this is my streetcar favorite number by the way. So this is gonna be on as well. And these are all my race car jackets. I just know this is just part of my brand. Now I get my sister to make this, this is going to be on the book cover as well. So what we're doing now with this mission is like I said, we're building up. We'll have an email subscriber base of 300,000 hungry people in different parts of the world who will be listening to this. And you, I love, I know you love meeting people because like I said, you and I have many friends in common. We don't know it. You don't know it. But because before I emailed you I saw everywhere, I told Mithul from your office as well and all of that. So the 300,000 people over here plus the 50 top Internet moguls were interviewed here. If all of them together could connect you to three people who would though be the three people you would like to meet.

So who are three people? I would like to meet. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Very interesting. I think I'd like to meet Amit Shah.

Okay.

I wish I could meet Fred Rogers, but Fred Rogers is no more today.

Tomorrow there's another technology which says, fine, you can meet anybody.

Yeah. Yeah, I believe that.

I believe that.

Yeah. I think I'd like to meet Roman Saini also. I think. I think. I think there's something very special about. About. About. About him. Yeah, I think. I think I'm trying to think. I'm trying to say a meaningful answer. So I'm. I'm gonna give it Take a second to say my third one.

Take your time. Because the audience that's watching, it's their job to give back. You heard 50 minutes of. Of knowledge. If anybody knows any of these three people, you must make sure that we introduce Shobhit to them.

I think. I think. I think I'll stick on to these two. Yeah.

Okay, great. So you said Amit Shah, Rogers and Roman.

Yeah.

Awesome.

No more, though. So I don't think I can meet him yet.

I believe I. I have a. No, I don't believe. I know that you can connect with anybody you want, even if they're not here. And I'm not talking about, you know, afterlife and death and all. I just feel that it's just you can't see up or you. Unless you try to connect, you will know somebody's car was parked at the back and there'll be a way to meet those kind of people as well and actually, you know, have them talk back to you.