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Hello everyone, welcome to a special edition of the Leadership and Success Podcast. So today, uh, what is it, February 2nd? So we are going to continue on the ancient wisdom and leadership lesson from the book of Proverbs. Although today we're just going to do an AI recap, so it should take less than what looks like 15 minutes. Also, we're going to get two AI summaries, one for 5 minutes, the other one for 10. But before we do, I am reminded of our moment of gratitude. So this entire month, this is Black History Month. So I am really grateful for the contribution of African American in the story of America, what has helped us be America today. So I am very grateful for that. So in that celebration, I'm— let me share my screen first, and then I'm gonna play a short video about what happened today in 1909. Let me share my screen. I'm gonna try to have two contributions every single day. One about something that happened in Black history on the date, which again, today is February 2nd. So what happened on February 2nd? We're gonna focus on 1909 for today, and then we're gonna have a profile in courage, preferably in the military. So on February 2nd, 1909, the police in Pittsburgh raided the predominantly Black neighborhood of Irmond Hill, and they arrested more than 200 Black men, not for a crime that they committed, simply for being unemployed. So that happened February 2nd, 1909. I have a short video clip that talks about it.

Here we go.

On February 2nd, 1909, Pittsburgh police officers raided a predominantly Black neighborhood and arrested over 200 Black men for being unemployed. Days earlier, the city had increased its police presence after vague reports of numerous attacks upon white women. There was little evidence of attacks and there was no ongoing investigations, but police immediately began harassing Black men. Officers raided every Black home in Heron Hill, arresting any Black man who could not provide proof of employment. The men were charged with vagrancy, and the next day many were sent to the workhouse and consigned to forced black labor. The men had not committed any crime. Like many white people in the city, they were simply unemployed. After the Civil War, Southern states passed Black Codes, discriminatory policies used to criminalize and re-enslave Black people for offenses like vagrancy, loitering, or not carrying proof of employment. Black people were subjected to criminal prosecution. As Black people migrated north to escape racial terror lynchings, northern cities adopted laws and similar policies. Mass arrests are just one example of the way Black people were unlawfully abused, mistreated, and condemned to forced labor decades after the formal end of slavery in America. Today, a presumption of guilt and dangerousness too often makes people of color vulnerable to wrongful arrest and criminal prosecution.

All right, so that's what happened again, uh, February 2nd, 1909. But I also want to do a profile in Courage to Celebrate Black History Month. We are going to talk about the first African-American naval hero, Robert Small. What an extraordinary man this was. So that was back during the Civil War. So Robert Small, he was born a slave in Beaufort County, South Carolina in 1839. So he was denied freedom, but he kept his dignity, courage, and vision. Nobody could do anything about that. But after the outbreak of the Civil War, Small was hired out by his enslaver and assigned as the wheelman of the Confederate steamboat, the Planter, a vessel used to transport guns and ammunition for the rebel army. Then came the night that truly changed history. I mean, it's just incredible. It's just like a movie. May 12th, 1862, in Charleston Harbor, when the white Confederate officer left the ship and they went ashore, Small quietly alerted the remaining Black crewmen All enslaved, he put on the captain's uniform, he took the helm of the ship, and steered the Planter past Confederate checkpoint and the guns of Fort Sumter. With his family hidden aboard and his life on the line, Smalls navigated straight into Union-controlled waters, and he surrendered the ship to the US Navy. It was one of the most daring naval acts of the Civil War. Wow, that's quite incredible. So Smalls delivered a fully armed Confederate vessel to the Union. He provided critical intelligence about Southern defense. He proved undeniably that Black Americans possessed the courage, competence, and leadership to command at sea. So Robert Smalls went on to serve as a pilot in the Union Navy, becoming widely celebrated for his bravery. But that's not all. But his service didn't just stop with the war. He also became a statesman. But anyway, it took many, many more years before Black people like me were allowed to served in the US Navy as officers. So I love this book, The Golden Thirteen. That's the story of the first 13 Black sailors in the US. That was in 1943, not very long ago. My father was born in 1943, so it's only one generation away. But, uh, it's just incredible to see, uh, what Americans can do, right? Regardless of their race, of their gender, just the contribution they have made to this wonderful country. All right, so that's what I wanted to celebrate you. You can follow me on LinkedIn and learn more about the extraordinary life of Robert Smalls. And let me know where you are joining us from, what city, what state, and if you're outside of the US, which country, and also what you are grateful for today. And by the end of the episode, please let me know. You're free to takeaway from the AI recap. So before I play the AI recap, I'm going to play a couple of clips from Season 31, Episode 2. That's when we went through the Book of Proverbs. We did that on January 2nd. So we're going to just hear quick small clips and after that you're going to get the first 5-minute AI recap of that hour-long episode.

Be consistent. As a leader, people need to know that you are the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, that you have those rules, those policies, and they apply to everybody, including yourself, right? You hold everybody to a high standard, but you don't play favorites, but you are consistent. So they know, oh yeah, these are the rules. I know if I do that, I'm gonna get the reward, and I know if I don't do that, I'm gonna get the consequences, no matter who I am or where I come from.

That's very, very helpful.

Some of the best commanding officers I've ever had in the Navy were very, very consistent. Sometimes they were pretty tough, they had very, very high standards, but they were very clear. Hey, if you guys do this and you go, you meet this standard or you exceed it, this is what's going to happen. But if you don't, well, this is what's going to happen. And they are consistent with it. And I think that is so important in life and in leadership. So where am I tempted to compromise under pressure. Where are you? And what can you do about it? The anchor reflection for this lesson is: Is my leadership built on what works or on what is right? Think about that. Alright, lesson number 5, that's gonna be from verse 9. Then you will understand what is right and just and fair every good path. So lesson number 5: choosing the right path. Justice, fairness, and ethical clarity. Discernment clarifies not just what is possible but what is just. Leadership application: evaluate decision through impact and fairness lenses. What's going to be the impact, and, uh, am I being fair? Seek input from those affected, not just those empowered. Right. I think one thing that makes great leaders, at least in my experience, is not just thinking about people in leadership, all of the department heads and above, but it's really thinking about the troop. It is really thinking about the white hat, right? The junior enlisted folks. How are the decisions we are making going to impact them? The sailors, those who actually do the work. That is so important. And many times when I was recommending officer, we usually have a senior enlisted leader who represents the entire enlisted member, the white hat, and they make sure whatever decision made by the commanding officers is going to be beneficial for the more junior enlisted member of the command. And if there are some issues, they will definitely voice concern, and as a commanding officer, you absolutely need to listen to that. But when you make those decisions, think about the impact. And also, from his mouth come knowledge and understanding. So you have to receive it. All right, so wisdom is received, not self-generated. Humility is the gateway to insight. There is so much more that people could accomplish if they were just humble, because you do so much more when you collaborate with other people, right? So being humble enough to know I don't know everything, and that together we can do so much more than we can individually. That is wisdom. So what type of application can we have from that? Maybe begin leadership moments with grounding, maybe prayer or self-reflection, meditation or silence. I think it was Terry Maxwell I spoke to today. She was like, you need to slow down.

Breathe.

You have to slow down your body, right? So that you have time to act, not out of fear, but because you are calm, collected, you can focus, and you can make a logical decision. Because most people are always driven, and they are always moving forward, and moving, and moving, and moving, and before they know it, they start just reacting. You need to create a space, get rid of all of the distraction, and then think and make a decision. All right.

In a world that is just obsessed with speed, what if the most powerful tool in a leader's toolbox isn't charisma or authority, but something much quieter? Today, we're going to dive into an article by Coach BZ that unpacks some ancient wisdom for modern leadership. And it all focuses on a single game-changing quality: discernment. Let's get right into it. And this quote right here, it just nails the core tension for leaders today. I mean, we are constantly pushed to be fast, to be decisive, to be visible. But what this article argues is that true leadership, you know, the kind that actually lasts, prioritizes something else entirely. It's that fundamental choice between taking an immediate risk and building long-term trust. And this lays out the paradox perfectly. The things that often get you noticed—you know, the charisma, the power that comes with your position, making those quick decisions—they aren't the same things that will sustain your leadership. The real foundation, that enduring quality, is discernment. It's that quiet capability that separates the leaders who last from those who, well, implode under pressure. So, the big question is, how do you get it? Well, the good news is that wisdom isn't something that just happens to you by accident. It's something that can be built—on purpose. Let's take a look at how this works, and we're gonna start with a really crucial distinction. Okay, so this is a really big one. We tend to mix these two things up all the time. Lots of leaders have tons of experience, but that doesn't automatically make them wise. See, experience is passive—it's just the stuff that happens to you. But wisdom? Wisdom is active. It's all about intentionally grabbing the lessons from that experience and actually internalizing them. So the article gives us this really clear 3-step process. First, you've gotta store it. That means learning with intention, not just, y'know, skimming headlines. Second, you have to seek it, with a real sense of urgency, like you're hunting for hidden treasure. And third—and this is key—you have to be ready to receive it, which actually requires a pretty big shift in your mindset. And that last point brings us to something so crucial. The real gateway to wisdom is humility. It's that core understanding that you just don't have all the answers. The most dangerous person in a leadership role isn't the one who lacks knowledge; it's the one who isn't willing to learn. Seriously, being teachable is a humble leader's greatest advantage. Alright, so we've talked about how to build that foundation of wisdom, but what does it actually do? How does it protect you when the pressure is on and the stakes are sky-high? Let's get into some of the practical applications. And here's a point you have to get: integrity isn't just some nice-to-have idealistic moral quality. When it comes to leadership, it is a strategic asset. It's not about being perfect, not at all. It's about being upright and consistent, and that approach provides a very, very real form of protection for you and your whole mission. Yeah, think of it just like that. Your integrity is your armor. It's actively defending the 3 things a leader absolutely cannot afford to lose. The trust of your team, the legitimacy of your authority, and the success of your overall mission. Any short-term gains you might make by compromising, they will always, eventually, come at a huge, long-term cost to these essentials. I love this framing of discretion as an internal security system. You know, mature leaders, they rely way less on external rules and a lot more on this internal discipline. It's that guardrail inside you that keeps you from making those reactive, emotional decisions. And protects your reputation from just needless damage. And this right here, this is one of the most powerful questions you can put in your discernment toolkit. Wise leadership isn't just about what's possible; it's about what's just and what's fair. So before you act, before you pull the trigger, asking this simple question forces you to think about the ripple effects of your choices, especially on the people who have the least amount of power. Okay, so let's zoom out a bit. All of these daily actions, all grounded in wisdom, they aren't just about surviving the next crisis. They are the actual building blocks of something much, much bigger: your legacy. And this is a really important mindset shift. We love to think about leadership in these big, heroic moments. But real leadership? It's revealed in the small, consistent patterns of your behavior. It's what you do day in and day out, especially when nobody's watching. That consistency is what compounds over time into something truly meaningful. Which brings us to this incredibly simple but powerful choice every single leader has to make: What are you playing for? Are you optimizing for that short-term validation, the quick, easy applause? Or are you committed to the long obedience of disciplined, value-driven leadership that builds a lasting, meaningful impact? So, let's bring all this home. For any leader out there, whether you're in the military, you're in tech, you're in a corporate boardroom, what's the one non-negotiable takeaway from all this? Look, at the end of the day, in the complex, high-pressure world we're all operating in, wisdom just isn't a luxury or some kind of soft skill. It is an absolute necessity. It's the core capability that lets you navigate all that ambiguity and lead effectively for the long haul. So let's just break it down one last time. We've got to see wisdom for what it truly is. It's your moral compass, always guiding you toward what's right. It's your strategic shield, protecting you from avoidable risks. And ultimately, it is the very substance of your leadership legacy. And we're gonna leave you with this one last question from the article. And it's, it's a gut check, really. This isn't theoretical; it's a direct challenge. Take a moment and honestly ask yourself this. Because the answer doesn't just define your leadership; It shapes the future of every single person you lead.

Welcome everyone to an engaging chat about ancient wisdom in leadership, especially drawing on Proverbs chapter 2. This chapter really drives home that leadership wisdom isn't something that just happens. It's intentionally pursued, um, practiced daily, right?

Oh, absolutely. It's like wisdom is your, um, secret shield. Not flashy, but powerful, right?

Exactly. Proverbs 2 reminds us that discernment, which is, um, that deep judgment, is the quiet superpower that leaders can lean on when things get rough. Yep. It's the antidote to impulsive speed.

And what's really interesting is how this ancient text applies even in our modern, high-pressure environments. It's not about, like, being religious necessarily, but about applying timeless principles, right? Absolutely.

It's about intentional learning, storing wisdom. Think about it. Great leaders learn on purpose. That's lesson 1. They don't just skim over things. They internalize insights and let them guide their decisions. Yeah. It's like your Programming your inner compass.

That inner compass is crucial. When you really store knowledge and let it sink in, you're not just reacting to events, you're building wisdom that safeguards you under pressure.

Exactly. And then there's Lesson 2 about urgency for insight. It makes the point that rushing can create risk. Leaders often feel pressure to decide fast, but if you don't pause to get wisdom first, You're almost like a car speeding without brakes. What do you think?

I agree, but I sometimes wonder if a bit of speed isn't necessary in certain fast-moving fields like cybersecurity. Isn't there a risk of being too slow to act?

Sure, that's a fair challenge. However, Proverbs reminds us that speed without discernment can be dangerous. It's about finding that balance, acting decisively, calmly, ensuring every action is driven by thoughtful insight, not just reactive panic.

That balance is a fascinating tension. It's like in a high-stakes game—you want to move fast, but every move needs to be strategic. And what about Lesson 3, regarding humility? The text notes that wisdom is received, not claimed. Oh, definitely!

Humility is key. Great leaders know they don't have all the answers. So they invite diverse perspectives. It's almost like saying, "I'm not the sole keeper of knowledge here." Right. It's a kind of leadership that's open to learning from every corner.

I love that. Admitting you don't have everything makes you more teachable, and that's, um, so important in today's complex environment. It's counterintuitive sometimes, especially in cultures that prize the show of certainty. Exactly.

And then there's Lesson 4: Integrity as Armor. The idea is that upright leadership isn't just idealism; it's a strategic move. When you consistently act with integrity, you protect trust, mission, and your own credibility. It's like having a really durable shield.

It certainly is. But I sometimes wonder, especially with short-term pressures, how do leaders resist compromising on integrity? Sometimes it feels like the easy route is to sacrifice these values, right? That's a great point.

The text argues that compromising integrity might yield short-term gains, but it extracts long-term costs. It's about building a legacy where your decisions, even under pressure, reflect who you really are. True. And that takes real discipline.

Right, and that brings us to Lesson 5. 'Choosing the Right Path,' which is about justice, fairness, and ethical clarity. The decisions leaders make can affect many people, especially the ones with the least power. How do you think that lesson plays out?

It's profound, really. Leaders have to constantly evaluate who benefits and who might bear the cost. This isn't just about, um, winning in the moment. It's about leaving behind a system built on fairness. Exactly. Imagine a domino effect of ethical decisions setting the tone for the entire organization.

So true. It's like the decisions ripple out, shaping the culture. And speaking of internal strength, Lesson 6 on internal guardrails, discretion, is another essential point.

Yes, discretion, or the ability to practice, um, careful speech and thoughtful decision-making, acts as the first line of defense. Leaders rely on this internal discipline to avoid reactive decisions and reputational damage. It's about staying measured even when things feel chaotic.

And that idea resonates particularly in crisis management. Keeping a level head and thinking before reacting can save an organization from, you know, potentially disastrous outcomes. Precisely.

And finally, Lesson 7 highlights the leadership walk, where consistency creates legacy. Leadership isn't defined by a single moment; it's about the everyday habits and, um, patterns that build over time. Consistency in values and actions is what truly determines how you're remembered. Absolutely.

It's like building a mosaic—each small piece of consistent behavior contributes to the overall legacy. It's truly inspiring.

It is. Proverbs 2 really encapsulates that discernment is not just a simple trait. It's the difference between influence that lasts and authority that fades away. Mm. In every context, from military commanders to tech leaders, this discernment is the unsung hero.

Sometimes I think modern leadership tools focus so much on visibility and speed, but they don't emphasize this internal cultivation of wisdom enough. It's almost countercultural.

Exactly. And that's what makes these ancient lessons so relevant, even in, um, our modern digital and high-stakes environments. It encourages leaders to build daily rhythms of learning, reflection, and mentorship. Yeah. It's about consistently reinforcing values, not just chasing quick wins.

That daily commitment is key. I mean, if every leader took time for that kind of reflection, Perhaps our organizations would have more resilience and trust built in, right?

Absolutely right. And, um, one of the most compelling aspects is the idea that wisdom is not accidental. It's actively pursued. It's stored in your daily habits, your interactions, and in every decision. This makes it accessible even under pressure. It's like being prepared for any storm.

Seeing it that way, it's almost like having a strategic insurance policy for leadership. You invest time in cultivating your wisdom, and then when the inevitable pressures come, you're protected. Precisely.

And each part of Proverbs 2 invites us to reflect. How intentional are we with our learning? To what extent do we, um, pause and consider the wisdom before we act? These are key coaching reflections, questions any leader can ask themselves daily. It's humbling but empowering at the same time. Right.

And that's such a powerful, actionable takeaway. What do you think might be the biggest challenge for leaders trying to internalize these lessons?

Great question. I'd say the challenge is resisting the pressure to appear decisive at all costs. In our cultures that idolize rapid results, taking the time to seek wisdom can be seen as a weakness, but it's anything but. Mm. Leaders must demonstrate that true decisiveness comes from a place of deep reflection and ethical clarity.

I totally get that. And sometimes it might even require a bit of vulnerability, admitting that you need counsel or that you're still learning. That's not always easy in high-pressure roles. Right.

And that's where the internal guardrails and humility come in. It's about, um, being open to mentoring and inviting feedback, even from those who might not be in traditional leadership positions. It elevates the entire team. Exactly. Because at the end of the day, leadership is as much about listening as it is about directing.

And if I may challenge that a bit, there's always a tension here. Sometimes leaders fear that admitting you need help diminishes your authority. How do you reconcile that? That's a valid point.

However, admitting you need guidance actually builds credibility over time because it reflects authenticity and Um, a commitment to growth. When you model teachability, it encourages an environment where ideas flow freely and improvements happen consistently. It reinforces that leadership isn't about personal ego, but about collective wisdom.

That makes a lot of sense. And I think a lot of leaders, especially in high-pressure fields, could benefit from this mindset shift. It's almost revolutionary in its simplicity. Absolutely.

The big takeaway is that discernment, this quiet superpower, is, when practiced regularly, the most reliable guard you've got. It's a moral compass, a strategic shield, and a legacy builder all in one. It's what separates leaders who endure from those who implode under pressure.

It really does put things in perspective, and it offers a blueprint not just for making the right decisions, but for building an ethical, sustainable legacy. It's a reminder that true leadership is about consistency and depth over flashiness.

Exactly. And for anyone who's reflecting on how to navigate today's complex challenges, be it in the military, cybersecurity, tech, or any other field, these lessons from Proverbs are a treasure trove. They offer guidance on stored wisdom, urgency for insight, humility, Integrity, fairness, discretion, and consistency. They truly are the pillars of enduring leadership.

I couldn't agree more. For leaders looking to develop that internal guardrail and, you know, lead with lasting integrity, this is a roadmap. Thanks for unpacking these ideas so thoroughly. Thank you.

It's been a pleasure discussing how ancient wisdom remains incredibly relevant today. Remember, true leadership is about how you are continuously shaping who you become, one intentional, thoughtful decision at a time. Yeah. Until next time, keep reflecting and leading with discernment.

Absolutely. Until then, stay wise and stay—

All right, so that's it for Lesson 2, AI. Okay, so if you have time, go back and watch the full episode. It's available on all of the major platforms and also on LinkedIn. And YouTube. I also would like to acknowledge an active member of our community. We have Daniel, and I did interview him last week. If you would go back and watch the full episode, I believe that's season 5, episode 26. He's grateful to hit 100% on the Honor Mode blueprint today. Congratulations, Daniel. I'm very proud of you. And also, Daniel says that wisdom is the structural load-bearing wall of leadership. I couldn't agree more. And again, he says, wisdom is non-accidental. Excellence isn't a stumble upon event. It is a deliberate engineering feat. And I'd like to find out your 3 to 5 takeaways from this lesson. And even after we are done, you can watch the replay and let us continue this conversation. I think it's really, really important now more than ever before. We really need our future leaders to really be founded on principles and character, right? I believe that's really what's gonna make America and other countries in the world great because I believe leadership is not transactional, right? You have to think about legacy. What are you doing today that is going to impact others? Daniel also says that infrastructure of the mind, Proverbs 1, isn't just ancient text, it's the original OS. In a world full of AI nodes and shifting data, you need the foundation that doesn't require a software update. I like the way to look at it. So tomorrow I'm gonna be back and we're gonna be studying Chapter 3. So again, the original podcast was on January 3rd. Tomorrow will be the 10-minute AI recap. And I'm also, since we're celebrating Black History Month this entire month, I will also find a fact that happened on February 3rd in Black history and also a profile in courage, especially in the military. That's going to be my focus. Black people who really have contributed significantly in the US Armed Forces from the very, very the beginning of our nation since 1776, but most people may not be aware of them. All right, that's all I have for now. I'm gonna play a couple more highlights from the original episode, and then I hope to see you tomorrow. Again, as of right now, I don't have any confirmation for any interview this week, but next week I have at least 3 confirmations, so I definitely look forward to it. Bye for now.

Wisdom. And then finally, one application would be to model, teachability publicly. You have to be teachable even as the leader. Are you teachable? I believe it was on Terry Maxwell Today. I believe that was, uh, season 5. I believe it was episode 3. Terry Maxwell, she said, in our company, if you are not teachable, they are not going to hire you. Everybody in the company, they have core values, they live by those values. And once they hire someone new, they are going to assess them first 30 days, 60 days, and 90 days. And if that person doesn't show those values, doesn't live by those values and is not teachable, then that person will be shown the door so they can pursue other opportunities. That is so powerful. And I really wish every company would do that, live by their core values. But being teachable is important, no matter how many degrees you have, no matter how smart you think you are, You have to be teachable. It's a mindset. All right, where might pride be limiting your leadership clarity? Think about that. The anchor reflection is, uh, what would change if I led today assuming I don't have all the answers? But I'm telling you flat out, you don't have all the answers. Just impossible. That's why we have to relax. Bye for now.

Okay, before I play the last clip, so I did interview Daniel for season 5, episode 26. Again, he's a system architect, environment engineer, and bestselling author of the Honor Mode Companion. Again, I encourage everyone to go back and watch that full episode. Okay, here's the last highlight, and then I will see you tomorrow.

Before I say goodbye, I want to remind you, for those following my podcast, tomorrow I am going to be interviewing Colonel Chevy Cook, U.S. Army. He's a mentor-in-chief, soldier-scholar, and strategist. We're going to be talking about beyond control because leadership is really about influence, not control. So we're going to be talking about that. And then I will also be interviewing Lee Jones. He's a award-winning CIO, global system builder, tech steward, calm under pressure. He's right here in Silicon Valley. We're gonna be talking about going from legacy to resilience. And then I will have the pleasure of speaking with Admiral Melissa Bird. She was recently the Judge Advocate General, the JAG officer for the US Coast Guard. She's now retired. She's principal strategic empowering such an awesome role model. We're going to be talking about leadership at the intersection of law, trust, and national security. I think this is so timely. We really need to talk about this in our nation. And then next week, I will be speaking with Charlie Wetzel. He's the writing companion of my mentor, Dr. John C. Maxwell. He helped write the book, The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership. And really, to me, this is really the number one leadership book in the world. But as you can see, his name is not on the COVID It says John Maxwell only, but Charlie really had a lot to do with all of the bestselling books that Papa John has written and many other authors too, including Kevin Myers, for example, the Grown-Up Faith. And he's written his own books, the Marvel Studios Story with his wife, A Christmas Wish, and also a book that became a movie, right, the Chocolate Shop. It, it, I think it was made into a short film. So anyway, I, yeah, I'm really, really excited to be speaking with Charlie next week. And then I have another speaker confirmed that's going to be Tempra Rae Stevenson. She's a food justice visionary, cultural engineer, and a scholar practitioner. We're going to be talking about leadership with nourishment. She's also the best-selling author of the book series Wanda. For children. So that's going to be really, really exciting. Again, see you here tomorrow for chapter 3 of the book of Proverbs.

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