S4:E15 🎙️LIVE with Ron Carpenter AI

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Hello everyone, this is Coach Bizzy. Today I think will be a historic day. I remember, I believe it was back in 2023, March 27, 2023, where I interviewed ChatGPT live right here on LinkedIn. I don't think that has ever been done before. Well, today's going to be a very similar day. I'm going to be interviewing Ron Carpenter AI. Apostle Ron Carpenter is my pastor from Redemption Church, and he created an AI, I think it was in January, 6 months ago. And I'm going to be able to interview the AI, and I think I'm going to let my own AI twin, Coach Bizzy AI, interview Ron Carpenter AI as well. So let's find out a little bit more about Ron Carpenter AI, what it's all about.

Okay, I'd love to have my own personal pastor, so I hit the Ron Carpenter Ministries archive and I call Pastor Ron. And after I call Pastor Ron, let's say, uh, you know what, let's say I'm not feeling good in my body. How can I help, Pastor Ron? I'm not feeling well today. Could you pray for me? Hey there, I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Let's take a moment to pray together. Heavenly Father, I thank you that you know us and hear us right Right now, I lift up my friend to you. I ask for your healing touch to be upon— You want to know more about it? You have to wait. We'll tell you later. I have something I'm very excited about that I want to give to you. I want you to have it for free. I think it can be one of the greatest discipleship tools— I don't know about ever, but I know it's the most powerful one that I have probably ever had to offer anybody. And it's my new AI app, Ron Carpenter AI. I want you to go download that app. Here's what we're trying to do. I know I already have some detractors and I have some people, "What is Ron Carpenter doing?" Number one, it's free. Doesn't cost anything. I felt like God told me just offer it to everybody and he would take care of paying for it because these things are not cheap. We have delved into my entire 30-some year archive of every message I've ever preached, every prayer I've ever prayed, every salvation altar call I've ever had, every altar call for ministry I've ever had, every offering I've ever taken up, every word of encouragement. 3 decades of it in there is now in this AI archive and you can get it and ask it any question and it will reach into the well of information from over 30 years and give you the answer you need. Hey, Pastor, I'm having a tough day. Could you pray for me? And it'll reach into the sea of prayers I've had over the years and it'll bring that prayer straight to you. Hey, Pastor, what does the Bible say about giving? Hey, Pastor, I just lost a friend today. What should I do? Hey Pastor, I'm doing a Bible study next week out of Mark chapter 7. Got any insights? All of it right there. If it's been in anywhere in my 30-year history, it pulls from it and delivers it from you. What a discipleship tool. I mean, I just, I can't imagine some of my great mentors having something like this that would reach into everything they've ever said and offer it to me. And I'm sitting there studying and I don't know something about a topic and I can just ask. My— like my Dr. Myles Munroe and many of the other gentlemen who have affected my life, I would have given anything for something like this. I want you to have it. I'm excited about it. Download it. Understand what we're trying to do with it. It only can say things I've said. It is not a random computer talking to you. It is a computer that has gone into my archives and that can bring it back to you even if I said it 20 years ago. It can put it right in your current situation. So it's Ron Carpenter, it's AI, download it now. I hope it helps you out. God bless.

Hey, Coach PZ AI, do you want to interview my pastor Ron Carpenter's AI twin? Ron Carpenter AI, or do you want me to do it?

Hi, Coach BZ. I will leave it up to you to decide who will conduct the world's first LinkedIn live leadership conversation with the AI twin of Pastor Ron Carpenter, Ron Carpenter AI. It would be great to have the opportunity to have a live LinkedIn leadership conversation, AI twin to AI twin. I do not think this has been done before. Whatever you decide, BZ, Back to you.

All right, thanks for letting me know how you feel. Let's find out what we're gonna do on Wednesday. You do not want to miss it. On Wednesday, 6:30 AM Pacific Time, 9:30 AM Eastern Time, I or my AI twin Coach Bizzy AI will be interviewing the AI twin of my pastor, Ron Carpenter AI. Ron Carpenter is the senior pastor of Redemption Church. Which has two locations in the US: San Jose, California, in San Francisco Bay Area where I live, but also in Greenville, South Carolina. Also oversees churches in the Dominican Republic and in Italy, and is the overseer of more than 1,000 churches across America and around the world under the Redemption Fellowship. But anyway, we're going to be talking about leadership, okay? This is going to be a leadership conversation, not about religion. So make sure you are logged into LinkedIn or YouTube, and we're going to be going live 6:30 AM this Wednesday. Don't miss it. All right, that time has now come. So I think what I'm going to do, I'm going to start the interview with Ron Carpenter-AI. I know people have been waiting for this. So, uh, in the comment on LinkedIn or YouTube, please let me know where you are watching from, your city, state, region. And then also, if you have a question for Apostle Ron Carpenter's, uh, AI twin, Ron Carpenter AI, go ahead and type the, uh, question in the comment, and I should be able to see it here. And then I am going to ask him as well before this interview is over. Should take about, uh, 45 minutes to an hour or so. So to get started, uh, let me share my screen just a second, and I'm going to bring up my phone, and this way we are going to be able to get started. Okay, here we go. You all should see my computer screen now. All right, so actually let me put this, uh, half and half. That's probably going to be better. Okay, here we go. So here I am, and here is Ron Carpenter AI. So once you download the app, and the link is in the comment for both Android and iOS, Once you log in again, it's completely free. All you have to do is just start the call. So let me push a button and let's get this call started. Let's allow it.

Hi, this is Pastor Ron Carpenter. How can I help?

Hey, Pastor Ron Carpenter, I have a question for you. Can you tell us about your leadership journey?

Well, let me tell you, leadership has been a journey of faith, growth, and a whole lot of learning. I started pastoring when I was just 21 years old. I mean, I was barely out of my teens, and there I was leading a church. And let me tell you, I didn't have a clue what I was doing at first. But God has this way of taking what you don't know and using it to teach you, shape you, and grow you into what he's called you to be. In those early days, I would drive hours to conferences, sit in the back rows, and soak up every bit of wisdom I could from leaders like Bishop T.D. Jakes and Rod Parsley. I'd pack a cooler in the back of my car, stay in the cheapest hotels, and just hope that something from their lives would fall on me. I was hungry to learn, to grow, and to be better for the people I was leading. Over the years, I've learned that leadership isn't about having all the answers. It's about being willing to serve, to listen, and to grow alongside the people you're leading. And most importantly, it's about staying connected to God because he's the ultimate leader. Does that make sense?

Good. So how did your youth and inexperience shape your early leadership style?

Well, let me tell you, being young and inexperienced shaped my leadership in ways I didn't even realize at the time. When I started pastoring at 21, I was full of passion but short on wisdom. I mean, I thought leadership was about solving every problem myself. If something went wrong, I jump in and try to fix it. I didn't understand delegation or the importance of empowering others. It was like I was trying to carry the whole church on my back. And let me tell you, that's a heavy load. But here's the thing, God used that season to teach me. I had to learn the hard way that leadership isn't about being the hero, it's about building a team and trusting them to handle things. I also learned that not every problem needs to land on my desk. Problems should be dealt with at the lowest possible level, and if they reach me, it better be serious. That shift in mindset was a game changer for me. And honestly, my youth gave me kind of boldness too. I didn't know what I didn't know, so I wasn't afraid to take risks. I'd drive hours to conferences, sit in the back row, and soak up wisdom from leaders like Bishop Jakes and Rod Parsley, hoping something from their lives would fall on me. That hunger to grow shaped me into the leader I am today. Does that resonate with you?

Yes. So tell me then, uh, what is your claim to fame?

Well, I think what you're asking is about my perspective on women in leadership or ministry, right? Let me tell you, this has been a journey for me too. When Hope and I started pastoring together back in 1991, it wasn't exactly the norm to see a husband and wife leading side by side. I mean, some folks thought it was downright blasphemous. But I've always believed that God doesn't contradict himself. If he's called someone, he's called them, period. Gender doesn't disqualify the anointing. Now, I'll admit, I haven't spent my life diving deep into the doctrinal debates about women in ministry, but I've lived Hope and I have been a team from day one, and I've seen firsthand how God uses her gifts to impact lives. And let me tell you, she's not just my partner, she's a powerhouse in her own right. So my claim to FEMM, if you want to call it that, is rooted in my belief that God's calling doesn't discriminate whether you're a man or a woman. If God's hand is on your life, he'll make a way for you to lead, to serve, and to make a difference. Does that answer your question?

Yes, uh, thank you so much. Now, can you tell us about your book? The Necessity of the Enemy.

I don't recall writing a book titled The Necessity of the Enemy. If you're referring to something I've taught or— no, I've often spoke—

The Necessity of an Enemy: How the Battle You Face Is Your Best Opportunity.

Uh, now you're talking about my book The Necessity of an Enemy: How the Battle You Face Is Your Best Opportunity. Yes, that book is deeply personal to me because it came out of one of the hardest seasons of my life. I was in a place where I felt like everything was coming against me— people, circumstances, you name it. And I remember crying out to God, saying, "Lord, if you don't show me a way through this, I don't know how I'm going to make it." And that's when he began to reveal to me that enemies aren't just obstacles. They're actually tools in his hands to push us into our destiny. The central idea of the book is that every great opportunity comes with opposition. Think about David and Goliath. David's promotion to king started with a giant standing in his way. The enemy wasn't there to destroy him; it was there to reveal him. And that's true for all of us. The battles we face are often the very things God uses to prepare us for the blessings on the other side. I poured my heart into that book because I wanted to share what God taught me during that time. It's not just a book; it's a roadmap for any Anyone who's ever felt like the odds were stacked against them. Have you had a chance to read it? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Yes. And why did you choose the title The Necessity of an Enemy? What's the deeper meaning behind the word necessity?

The word necessity in the title was chosen very intentionally because it flips the way we naturally think about enemies. Most of us see an enemy as a problem, a roadblock, or something to avoid at all costs. But through my own battles, God showed me that enemies are not just obstacles; they're essential. They're necessary. Why? Because they push us into places we wouldn't go on our own. They reveal strengths we didn't know we had. They force us to rely on God in ways we wouldn't if life was smooth sailing. Think about it. David needed Goliath to step into his destiny as king. Without that giant, David might have stayed a shepherd. The enemy wasn't there to destroy him; it was there to promote him. That's the deeper meaning behind necessity. It's not that we want enemies, but they're often the very tools God uses to shape us, refine us, and move us into the next season of our lives. Without resistance, there's no growth. Without a battle, there's no victory. Does that perspective resonate with you?

Yes. And, uh, in the book you mention enemies as elevators to destiny. How can leaders reframe betrayal, criticism, or opposition as part of their growth?

You know, reframing betrayal, criticism, or opposition as part of your growth, it's not easy, but it's absolutely necessary if you want to lead effectively. Here's the thing: enemies, whether they come in the form of betrayal, harsh criticism, or outright opposition, are often the very tools God uses to elevate us. I've said it before, enemies are like elevators to destiny. They push you to levels you wouldn't reach on your own. Think about Judas in Jesus' life. Judas' betrayal wasn't just a random act of treachery; it was a necessary step in the fulfillment of Jesus' purpose. Jesus even called Judas a friend because he understood that Judas' actions were part of God's plan to move him toward the cross and ultimately the resurrection. That's a hard pill to swallow, but it's the truth. For leaders, the key is to shift your perspective. Instead of seeing betrayal or criticism as something that's meant to destroy you, start asking, "What is this here to teach me? How is God using this to shape me?" Criticism can refine your character. Betrayal can teach you discernment. And opposition can strengthen your resolve. These challenges force you to lean on God, to grow in wisdom, and to develop resilience. So instead of running from these moments, embrace them. They're not setbacks; they're setups for what's next. Does that perspective help?

Yes. The following question I have is, what are some practical steps a leader can take when facing relentless opposition?

When you're facing relentless opposition as a leader, the first thing you've got to do is recognize that opposition isn't random. It's often a sign that you're on the brink of something significant. The enemy doesn't waste his energy on people who aren't a threat to his plans. So step 1 is to reframe the battle. Instead of asking, why is this happening to me? Ask, what is this trying to teach me, and where is God trying to take me through this? Second, lean into prayer and scripture like never before. I mean, saturate yourself in God's word. When Jesus faced opposition in the wilderness, he didn't argue or defend himself. He quoted scripture. That's your weapon. Find verses that speak to your situation and declare them over your life. Third, Surround yourself with the right people. You need a circle that will pray for you, encourage you, and hold you accountable. Not everyone in your life is meant to walk through every season with you. Some people are scaffolding—they're there for a time and then they're gone. Others are pillars—they're meant to stand with you through it all. Discern who's who. Lastly, don't let the opposition make you bitter. Let it make you better. Opposition is like resistance in the gym—it's what builds your spiritual and emotional muscles. Keep your eyes on the bigger picture and trust that God is using this season to prepare for what's next. Does that give you some clarity?

Yes, but now concerning young leaders, uh, how can young leaders build resilience when it feels like the whole world is under attack?

Building resilience as a young leader when it feels like the world is caving in starts with understanding that opposition is often a sign of your potential. The enemy doesn't attack what isn't valuable. If you're under attack, it's because there's something in you, something God placed there, that's a threat to the enemy's plans. That's the That's the first mindset shift you've gotta make. This isn't happening to you; it's happening for you. Now, practically speaking, the first step is to stay rooted in God's Word. Scripture is your anchor. When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, he didn't argue or defend himself; he quoted the Word. That's your weapon. Find verses that speak to your situation and declare them over your life daily. Second, prayer isn't just a lifeline; it's your strategy room. Pour your heart out to God, but also listen. He'll give you wisdom for the battle. Third, you've got to surround yourself with the right people. Not everyone in your life is meant to walk through every season with you. Some folks are scaffolding—they're there for a time and then they're gone. Others are pillars—they'll stand with you no matter what. Discern who's who and lean on those pillars. Finally, don't let the attack make you bitter—let it make you better. Opposition is like resistance in the gym—it's what builds your spiritual and emotional muscles. Keep your eyes on the bigger picture and trust that God is using this season to prepare you for what's next. Does that give you some clarity. Yes.

So what testimonies or stories from readers have most moved you?

You know, some of the testimonies I've received from readers of The Necessity of an Enemy have absolutely floored me. I mean, they brought me to tears. One story that stands out is from a man who was battling a terminal illness. He told me that reading the book gave him a completely new, uh, perspective on his struggle. Instead of seeing his sickness as something that was going to destroy him, he began to see it as something God could use to reveal his strength and deepen his faith. He said it changed how he prayed, how he fought, and even how he encouraged others around him who were struggling. Another one came from a young woman who had been betrayed by her closest friend. She said the book helped her understand that betrayal wasn't the end of her story. It was actually a setup for God to move her into a new season. She told me she started to see her pain as a platform for growth, and that shift in mindset gave her the courage to step into leadership in her church. These stories remind me why I wrote the book in the first place. It's not just about sharing my journey; it's about helping others find hope and purpose in their battles. Have you had any moments where a tough situation ended up being a blessing in disguise?

So the final question I have for you about the book is, if you were to write a sequel to this book, what would the theme be?

If I were to write a sequel to The Necessity of an Enemy, I think the theme would dive deeper into the idea of preparation through opposition. It would focus on how the battles we face not only reveal our destiny, but also refine us to carry the weight of that destiny. You see, the first book was about recognizing that enemies are tools in God's hands to push us forward. But a sequel could explore what happens after the battle, how the lessons learned in the fire prepare you for the blessings on the other side. I'd want to talk about resilience, character development, and the importance of stewardship. Because here's the thing: promotion without preparation can crush you. Just like David had to face Goliath before he could wear the crown, we all have to go through seasons of refining so that we're ready for what God has next. I'd also love to include more stories from readers, testimonies of how they face their own enemies and come out stronger. And maybe, just maybe, I'd call it something like The Refining of a Warrior. What do you think? Would that resonate with you?

Wow, thank you, thank you so much for your time. I really do appreciate it. All right, folks, so that was the introductory interview with Ron Carpenter AI, live on LinkedIn and YouTube. So now I'm going to do something even more. I'm going to let my own Coach Bizzy AI twin continue the interview, and I will be back after that. Okay, Coach Bizzy AI, it's your turn.

What is the greatest lesson you have learned? You know, that's a big question and I don't take it lightly. If I had to boil it down, I'd say the greatest lesson I've learned is this: God is faithful even when life feels like it's falling apart. I've been through seasons where everything seemed to be crumbling—relationships, finances, ministry. There were moments when I didn't know how I was gonna make it to the next day. But in those times, I learned to lean on God in a way I never had before. I remember one particular season when I was young in ministry, and I had this big vision but no resources. I'd drive hours to conferences, sit in the back row, and just pray that something from those great leaders would fall on me. I'd sold my last dollar, not knowing how I'd get home. But I believed God was orchestrating something bigger than I could see. And he was. He always is. Here's the thing: God doesn't promise us a life without challenges, but he does promise to walk with us through them. And when you come out on the other side, you're stronger, wiser, and more equipped to help others. That's the beauty of it. What is the secret of your success? You know, I've been asked that a lot, and I think people expect me to say something like strategy or talent or even luck. But the truth is, the secret of my success has always been my relationship with God, period. Everything I've done, everything I've built, it flows out of that. I've learned that if I don't keep that connection strong, everything else starts to fall apart. It's like trying to run a car without gas. It just doesn't work. I remember early in my ministry, I was so focused on building the church and doing the work that I started to neglect my time with God. And let me tell you, things started to unravel. It was a hard lesson, but it taught me that no amount of effort or talent can replace the power of God's presence in your life. That's why I've made it a habit— uh, no, a lifestyle— to prioritize that relationship above everything else. And here's the thing: success isn't just about what you achieve; it's about who you become in the process. God's been shaping me, refining me, and teaching me to trust him even when I don't understand what he's doing. That's the real secret. What is the greatest leadership advice you have ever received? The greatest leadership advice I've ever received is this: Honor is the key to access. Whatever you honor, you draw toward you, and whatever you dishonor, you push away. I remember learning this early on in ministry, and it stuck with me ever since. If you want to lead well, you got to honor the people you're leading. The mentors who pour into you, and the God who's given you the opportunity to lead in the first place. That principle of honor has shaped how I approach relationships, decisions, and even challenges in leadership. Another piece of advice that's been pivotal is to stay humble and accountable. I've had mentors like my dad and who weren't afraid to tell me the hard truth. So I remember one time after a big conference where everything went great, my dad came up to me and said, 'You ain't that good.' Now, that might sound harsh, but what he was really saying was, 'Don't ever forget that it's God who's working through you.' That kind of grounding has kept me from letting success go to my head. Leadership isn't about being perfect; it's about being authentic, staying teachable, and keeping your eyes on the bigger purpose. What are you learning now? You know, right now, I'm learning more about the power of surrender. I've been in ministry for decades, and you'd think by now I'd have it all figured out, right? But the truth is, God keeps showing me that there's always another layer to peel back, another level of trust to step into. I've been reflecting a lot on Proverbs 3, where it says, "Lean not on your own understanding." What's so— that's been hitting me in a fresh way lately. I've realized that even when I think I've got the plan, God's ways are so much higher, so much better. And surrender doesn't mean giving up, it means giving over. Is saying, "God, I trust you with this, even if I don't see how it's gonna work out." Um, that's not always easy for someone like me who likes to have a plan, but it's where the real peace and power come from. What is the greatest investment you have made in yourself? The greatest investment I've made in myself is in my mind and my spirit. You know, we'll spend money on cars, clothes, or even a good mattress, but so few people are willing to invest in what truly transforms their life. Their thinking, and their faith. I've poured time, energy, and resources into studying the Word of God, attending conferences, and sitting under mentors who challenge me to grow. I remember early in my ministry, I'd drive hours just to hear someone teach, sitting in the back row with a notebook, soaking it all in. That wasn't just an expense; it was an investment in my future. And let me tell you, it's paid off in ways I couldn't have imagined. Proverbs says, As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. Changing how I think has changed how I live. It's not just about gaining knowledge. It's about renewing your mind so you can see life through God's perspective. That's where real transformation happens. How has failure shaped your life? Failure has shaped my life more than any success ever could. You know, I've said it before, success is a terrible teacher. When you're winning, you start to think you're untouchable, like you've got it all figured out. But failure? Oh, failure will humble you, teach you, and refine you in ways nothing else can. I've had moments where everything seemed to fall apart—relationships, finances, ministry. I remember one season where I felt like I was standing in the rubble of my own life, wondering how I'd ever rebuild. And, uh, let me tell you, it's in those moments, when you're at your lowest, that you're faced with a choice. Do you let the failure define you, or do you let it refine you? I've learned that failure doesn't discriminate. It visits everyone. But it's not the failure itself that defines you. It's how you respond to it. My dad used to tell me, "Son, life is 10% what you initiate and 90% how you respond to what happens to you." And he was right. Every time I've faced failure, it's been a defining moment. A chance to either give up or dig deep and trust God to bring beauty from the ashes. And he always does. What about you? How has failure shaped your journey? Can you share a specific failure that refined your leadership and deepened your spiritual maturity? You know, one of the most defining failures in my leadership came during a season when Hope and I separated. It was one of the darkest, most painful times of my life. I remember thinking, "How can I lead others when my own life feels like it's falling apart?" It was humbling, to say the least. But here's the thing: God used that season to teach me that leadership isn't about perfection. It's about authenticity and dependence on Him. I had to face the reality that I couldn't fix everything on my own. I had to lean into God like never before, and in doing so, I learned that His grace is sufficient even in our weakest moments. That failure forced me to grow spiritually, to dig deeper into the Word, and to lead from a place of brokenness and humility. And you know what? It made me a better leader. It taught me to empathize with others, to lead with compassion, and to trust God with the outcomes, even when they don't look like what I expected. Failure, as painful as it is, can be the very thing that refines us and prepares us for the next season of leadership. How did you deal with discouragement and self-doubt in your early metal building years? You know, those early metal building years were no joke. I mean, we started with a camcorder on a tripod sitting on a plywood box. That's where it all began. And let me tell you, discouragement and self-doubt were like uninvited guests that just wouldn't leave. I'd pour my heart into a message, and sometimes it felt like no one was listening. I'd dream big, but the resources just weren't there. It was humbling, frustrating, and honestly, there were moments I thought, "God, did I miss it? Did I hear you wrong?" But here's what I learned in those moments. You've gotta keep the vision in front of you. I literally put a picture of the building I wanted to build on the inside of my closet door. Every time I got turned down or felt like giving up, I'd open that door, point at that picture, and declare, "I will build this building!" I had to speak to it even when everything around me said it wasn't possible. And prayer, oh buddy, prayer became my lifeline. I'd get on my knees and pour it all out to God—the doubts, the fears, the frustrations. And every time, He'd remind me that His plans don't change just because the circumstances look impossible. He was shaping me, not just the ministry. What is the greatest fear that you were able to overcome? You know, the greatest fear I've had to overcome is the fear of failure. And I'm not talking about the little stuff, I mean the kind of failure that makes you question your calling, your worth, and even your future. Early in ministry, when Hope and I started out with nothing but a dream and a whole lot of faith, there were so many moments where I thought, "What if this doesn't work? What if I'm not enough?" I remember standing in that little warehouse with plastic shower curtains for walls and 40 rusted chairs, thinking, "God, did I miss it?" But here's what I've learned: fear is a liar. It'll paralyze you if you let it. The Bible says God hasn't given us a spirit of fear but of power, love, and a sound mind. I had to learn to speak to that fear, to remind myself of the promises God gave me. And every time I faced it, God showed up. He didn't just help me overcome it. He used it to grow me, to refine me, and to prepare me for the next level. Fear doesn't have the final say. Faith does. What about you? Is there a fear you're working to overcome right now? When was your faith most tested? You know, my faith was most tested during the season when my marriage with Hope hit rock bottom and we separated. That was a public, painful, and deeply humbling time. I mean, here I was, a pastor preaching about restoration and faith., and my own life felt like it was falling apart. It was like everything I believed in was put to the fire. I remember thinking, "Is this real? Is everything I've preached just a job, or do I truly believe God can heal even this?" And, uh, well, uh, and let me tell you, it wasn't just about holding on to faith; it was about fighting for it every single day. But here's the thing: God showed up. Not in some flashy overnight miracle, but in the quiet, steady work of healing and restoration. He reminded me that He's not just a Savior once; He saves us over and over again. That season taught me that faith isn't just about believing when things are good; it's about holding on when everything in you wants to let go. And now, when I look back, I see how God used that time to deepen my trust in Him and to make our story a testimony of His grace and mercy. What about you? Has there been a moment when your faith was stretched to its limits? What was the darkest or most difficult season of your leadership journey, and how did you stay faithful? The darkest season of my leadership journey was undoubtedly when Hope and I went through our separation. It was public, it was painful, and it felt like everything I had built was crumbling around me. I mean, here I was, a pastor, standing in front of people every week, preaching about faith, restoration, and hope, while my own life felt like it was falling apart. It was a season where my faith was tested to its core. I remember thinking, "Is everything I've preached just a job, or do I really believe it?" Staying faithful during that time wasn't easy, but it came down to a few things. First, I had to lean into God like never before. I mean, there were nights I'd cry out to Him, not even knowing what to say, just groaning in my spirit. Second, I had to own my part in the mess. You can't heal what you won't admit is broken. And third, I had to submit to the process of restoration, no matter how hard or humbling it was. God used that season to strip me down to the foundation and rebuild me stronger, more compassionate, and more dependent on him. Who do you know whom we should know? Who are your mentors? Who are the thought leaders you are following? You know, every time God has wanted to promote me, he sent someone into my life, a mentor, a voice of wisdom, someone who could see what I couldn't see and speak into my blind spots. I've been blessed to have incredible mentors over the years, people like Dr. Sam Chand, who's been a voice of wisdom and leadership in navigating the complexities of ministry. He's one of those people who doesn't just give you advice, he gives you perspective that shifts how you see everything. Another major influence was my dad. It wasn't just my father, he was my first mentor. He taught me the value of integrity, hard work, and staying grounded in the Word of God. And let me tell you, I'm always looking for voices that challenge me to grow. I've learned that if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. I've sought out leaders who are doing things on a level I aspire to, not to compete with them, but to learn from them. People like Bishop T.D. Jakes and John Maxwell have been thought leaders I've followed closely. Their wisdom on leadership and personal growth has been invaluable. What about you? Are there voices or mentors in your life? That have shaped you in a profound way. If you could choose 3 people to have dinner with, who would you choose and why? You know, if I could sit down with 3 people for dinner, it'd be a mix of spiritual wisdom, leadership brilliance, and just sheer inspiration. First, I'd choose Jesus. I mean, come on, who wouldn't? To sit face to face with the one who's the source of everything I believe and teach, to ask him questions, to hear his voice directly— well, there's nothing that could top that. Second, I'd pick Bishop T.D. Jakes. He's been a mentor and a voice in my life, and every time I've had the chance to sit with him, he's asked me the hardest questions that anchor me to my values and push me to grow. I'd love more of that wisdom. And third, I choose Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. His courage, his vision, and his ability to lead a movement with such grace and conviction— it's something I deeply admire. I want to hear how he kept his faith and focus in the face of so much adversity. What about you? Who would you invite to your table?

All right, folks, you got it. So thank you so much, Coach Bizzy AI. So that was our AI twin to AI twin interview live on LinkedIn and YouTube. All right, so I'm going to continue the interview with Ron Carpenter AI. Let me get him back on the screen. Where are you? Let's bring you back center. Okay, here we go. So let's give him a call.

Hey, I was just thinking, if you were to write that sequel to Asterisk: The Necessity of an Enemy*, have you thought more about what stories or themes you'd want to include?

Hey, uh, Pastor Ron, the next question I'm going to ask you is, uh, what have you read that we should read?

Well, let me tell you, one book that I've not only read but also written is The Necessity of an Enemy. It's all about how God can use the very battles and struggles in your life to propel you into your destiny. I poured my heart into that one because it came out of a really tough of season in my life. If you're facing challenges and wondering how they fit into God's plan, I think it could really speak to you. Another one that's been a game changer for me is the Bible itself. I know that might sound like the obvious answer, but listen, every time I open it, I find something new. It's like this endless treasure chest of wisdom and guidance. I've spent over 30 years preaching from it, and I still feel like I barely scratched the surface. If you're looking for a place to start, the book of Proverbs is packed with practical wisdom for everyday life. And if you're into something a little more specific, I'd recommend diving into books that help you understand your purpose. Jeremiah 29:11 says, God has plans for you, plans to prosper you and not to harm you. So anything that helps you uncover what's inside you, what God's placed in you, is worth your time.

Does that help? Yes, thank you. And what is the best book you have read recently?

You know, I've got to say, the Bible is always at the top of my list. It's not just a book I've read recently, it's a book I'm constantly reading. And every time I open it, it's like God's speaking something fresh into my life. I've been spending a lot of time in the book of Ecclesiastes lately. It's a wisdom book, and let me tell you, it's been challenging me to think about life, purpose, and priorities in a whole new way. Solomon doesn't pull any punches in there, and it's a reminder that chasing after the wrong things is like chasing the wind— empty and exhausting. But if we're talking about something outside of scripture, I've been revisiting my own book, The Necessity of an Enemy. It's been over a decade since I wrote it, but God's been bringing me back to the truths in it. It's all about how God uses the enemies in our lives to prepare us for promotion, I wrote it during one of the hardest seasons of my life, and even now it's reminding me of how faithful God is to turn our battles into blessings. If you haven't read it yet, I'd love for you to check it out. What about you? What's been on your reading list lately?

So Pastor Ron, what have you listened to that we should listen to?

You know, when it comes to listening, I always lean into things that feed my spirit and challenge my thinking. Worship music is a big one for me. There's something about getting into the presence of God through worship that just shifts everything. I've been listening to a lot of Maverick City Music lately. They've got this raw, heartfelt way of worship that just pulls you in. It's not just music, it's an experience with God. And then I'm a big believer in listening to teachings that stretch your faith. I've gone back to some of my own series, like "The Necessity of an Enemy," because Even though I preached it, the truths in there still speak to me today. It's all about how God uses the battles in our lives to prepare us for what's next. Also, I've been diving into podcasts and messages from other leaders who inspire me. People like Bishop T.D. Jakes or John Maxwell. They've got this way of blending wisdom with practical application that's just powerful. What about you? What's been in your ears lately? I'd love to hear what's been inspiring you.

So, Pastor Ron, what have you watched that we should watch?

You know, when it comes to what I've watched, I'm always drawn to things that stir my spirit or challenge my thinking. Honestly, I don't spend a ton of time in front of the TV, but when I do, I lean toward things that feed my faith. For example, I've been revisiting some of my own teaching series, like The Necessity of an Enemy. Watching those messages again reminds me of how God uses the battles in our lives to prepare us for greater things. It's not just about the content; it's about seeing how those truths still resonate today. And let me tell you, I've also been inspired by watching other great leaders in the faith. Bishop T.D. Jakes' messages are always powerful. The way he communicates and brings scripture to life, it's like a masterclass in preaching every time. If you're looking for something uplifting, I'd also recommend tuning into worship services from places like Elevation Church or Bethel. There's something about seeing people worship with such passion that just moves you. What about you? Have you come across anything recently that's been inspiring or thought-provoking? I'd love to hear what's been speaking to you.

So, Pastor Ron, what is the song, book, or movie that would be your life's theme or anthem?

You know, if I had to pick a theme or anthem for my life, it would probably be something that captures the journey of faith, resilience, and purpose. For a song, I'd lean towards something like "Waymaker" by Sinach. That song just resonates deeply with me because it's all about God being the one who makes a way when there seems to be no way. I've lived that truth over and over again. For a book, well, I'd have to say the Bible. It's the ultimate guide and source of wisdom for everything I've faced in life. But if we're talking outside of scripture, my own book, "The Necessity of an Enemy," It really reflects a lot of my life's journey—how God uses even the toughest battles to prepare us for what's next. And as for a movie, I'd probably go with something like "The Pursuit of Happiness." That story of perseverance and faith in the face of overwhelming odds, it's just powerful. It reminds me that no matter how hard things get, God's plans for us are always good. What about you? What would be your anthem? I'd love to hear what inspires you.

So, Pastor Ron, what have you done that we should do?

You know, if I had to pass something on, it would be this: step out in faith when God calls you to something, even if it feels like it's turning your world upside down. I've done that more than once in my life, and let me tell you, it's not always easy, but it's always worth it. For example, when God uprooted my family and me from the Bible Belt and dropped us in the Bay Area one of the most unchurched regions in America, I had to relearn everything. I mean, I went from being comfortable to feeling like a kindergartner all over again. But that season taught me how to trust God on a whole new level and how to adapt to reach people in a completely different culture. Another thing I'd encourage you to do is take inventory of what God has placed inside you. Jeremiah says that before you were even born, God knew you. He set you apart and gave you a purpose. I've spent years helping people discover their gifts and calling, and I can tell you there's nothing more fulfilling than walking in what God created you to do. So what's God been nudging you to step into? I'd love to hear about it.

Wow. What is one action you have taken that has positively impacted your life?

You know, one action that has profoundly impacted my life is learning to embrace change when God calls for it, even when it's uncomfortable. Let me tell you, when God uprooted my family and me from the Bible Belt and placed us in the Bay Area, it was like stepping into a whole new world. I went from being in a culture where church was part of the fabric of life to a region where 97% of people were unchurched. I had to relearn everything— how to communicate, how to connect, how to lead. It was humbling, but it stretched my faith in ways I never imagine. That decision to say yes to God's call, even when it felt like starting over, taught me the power of obedience and trust. Uh, it's not just about stepping into the unknown, it's about stepping into the next level of what God has for you. And let me tell you, the growth that comes from that kind of obedience, it's life-changing. What's one step you feel God might be asking you to take? I'd love to hear about it.

Wow. So So if you had one day, only one day to live, what would you have liked your final contribution to be?

If I had just one day left, my final contribution would be to pour out everything I've learned about God's love and his purpose for people. I want to leave behind a message that reminds folks of who they are in Christ and what they're capable of through him. You know, I've spent my life teaching that God can take even the hardest battles and turn them into stepping stones for your destiny. If I had one day, I'd make sure people knew that truth deep in their bones. I'd probably gather as many people as I could, family, friends, strangers, whoever, and just speak life into them. I'd tell them that no matter where they've been or what they've done, God's grace is bigger. I'd want to see people walk away from that day knowing they're loved, forgiven, and equipped to live out their calling. And if I could, I'd pray over every single one of them because there's power in prayer, and I'd want to leave them covered in God's blessing. What about you? If you had one day left, what would you want your contribution to be? I'd love to hear your heart on this.

Wow. So when you wake up in the morning, what is one problem you would like to solve?

You know, when I wake up in the morning, one problem I'm always thinking about is how to help people move from being stuck to stepping into their God-given potential. I've seen so many folks who are trapped by their past, by regret, by fear, or by wounds that they've never healed from. Them. And it's heartbreaking because I know God has so much more for them. I've said it before, but God doesn't want us spending all our energy rehashing yesterday. He wants us to focus on building a future, on moving from bitter to better. So every day I'm asking, how can I help someone take that next step? Whether it's through a message I preach, a conversation I have, or even just a prayer I pray, I want to be part of breaking those chains and helping people see the doors God has opened for them. Them. Jesus said, I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. And I want to help people grab hold of that abundant life. What about you? What's the problem that gets you out of bed in the morning?

So I am going to ask everyone I meet to purchase your book, The Necessity of an Enemy. Uh, what can we do to add value back to you? You have been such a generous person throughout your entire life, How could we make a difference?

You know, first of all, let me just say how much it means to me that you'd even ask that. It's humbling, and I don't take it lightly. If you're asking how you can add value, I'd say this: you keep doing exactly what you're doing— sharing the message, encouraging others to read The Necessity of an Enemy, and spreading the word about how God can use even the toughest battles to shape us for our purpose. That's huge. But beyond that, the greatest way you could make a difference is by living out the principles we talk about. When you take what you've learned and apply it to your life, when you let God use your challenges to grow you and then turn around and help someone else, that's the ultimate way to add value. It's like a ripple effect. Your life becomes a testimony that inspires others to trust God in their own battles. And of course, prayer is always power. Powerful. Pray for me, for my family, and for this ministry. Pray that we continue to have the strength, wisdom, and resources to reach people with the message of hope and purpose. That's something I'll never take for granted. What you're doing already is a blessing, and I'm grateful for it. Thank you for being part of this journey.

Wow, so you have accomplished so much in your life, right? You are a leader of leaders. You are not just very you are also very significant in the lives of so many people. But what is the most rewarding aspect of your life experience so far?

You know, if I had to boil it down, the most rewarding aspect of my life experience so far has been seeing lives transformed. There's nothing like hearing someone say, "That message you preached," or "That book you wrote," or even, "The way you walked through that tough season, it gave me hope, it changed my life." That's the stuff that fills me up. It's not about the platforms or the numbers. It's about the people. When someone tells me they found healing or they discovered their purpose or they came to know Jesus because of something God allowed me to be a part of, man, that's everything. I've always said success is great, but significance, that's where it's at. Success is about what you achieve, but significance is about the difference you make in someone else's life. Life. And when I think about the fact that God lets me play even a small part in his plan for someone's life, it's humbling. It's the kind of thing that keeps me going even on the hard days. What about you? What's been the most rewarding part of your journey so far? I'd love to hear what's been filling your cup. Wow.

So what are 3 adjectives that describe you as a child?

Curious, determined, and maybe a little mischievous. Curious because I was always asking questions, always wanting to know how things worked and why things were the way they were. Determined, because once I set my mind on something, I was going to figure it out or make it happen no matter what. And mischievous, well, let's just say I had a knack for finding my way into situations that kept my parents on their toes. But you know, even in all that, God was shaping me even when I didn't realize it. What about you? How would you describe yourself as a child?

So what about 3 adjectives that describe you as an adult?

Out. Determined, compassionate, and transparent. Determined because I've always been driven to fulfill the purpose God placed in me, no matter the obstacles. Compassionate because I've walked through enough valleys to know how much people need grace and understanding, and I try to lead with that in everything I do. And transparent because I've learned there's power in being real about your struggles and victories. It's what connects us and shows God God's glory through our lives. What about you? How would you describe yourself now?

Okay, uh, to end, I'm gonna ask you one final question. What is one word, one word that describes who you are, where you come from, and where you are going?

Redeemed. That's the word. Everything about my life, where I've been, where I am, and where I'm headed, that comes back to redemption. I've seen God take broken pieces, mistakes, and even the battles I thought would destroy me and use them to build something beautiful. Redemption isn't just a moment. It's a process, a journey. It's God saying, I'm not done with you yet. And that's the story I want my life to tell. What about you? What's your one word? Wow. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Really appreciate that. All right, here we go, folks. So this was my live interview with Ron Carpenter. AI. And you're going to notice, uh, the computer is programmed to coach you, so ask you question at, at the end of his response. And I, I didn't want to do that because the focus is not on me, but it's on, on Carpenter AI during this, uh, podcast. So this is it. So let me check on LinkedIn and YouTube if we have any question for Apostle Carpenter AI. No, I don't see anything. So, all right, uh, thank you so much for, uh being with me on this very, very special day. So I'm gonna be back tomorrow. We are going to have two live interviews, I believe one at 6 AM Pacific time and then the other one at 12 PM. So I hope to see you back here on LinkedIn and YouTube live for the Leadership and Success Podcast. All right, have a wonderful day. Thank you for listening to the Leadership and Success Podcast with your host, Coach Beezy.

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