Can Past Lives Heal Grief? with Michelle Brock | EP 497

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Hi.

Hi, Michelle, welcome to Grief to Growth. It's great to have you here. As I mentioned in the introduction, you introduced me to John Edwards' Evolve+ community where we're both creators. For people that don't know, that's a fantastic place to connect with people like Michelle and myself. So I want to thank you publicly for doing that.

No, no problem. The pleasure is ours. You are wonderful, uh, addition to this amazing community. So yeah, Evolve Plus is a really unique place on the internet, and, uh, I absolutely love being a part of it.

So yeah, well, you've, you've studied all kinds of spiritual practices from all around the world, and you landed on helping people with past life regressions. But how did you get drawn to this in the first place?

Yeah, so I got into this work kind of through my own journey. You know, I stumbled across a book called Many Lives, Many Masters, which was written by a wonderful author named Dr. Brian Weiss. It was at a time in my life that I really felt like I was at a crossroads. I— things were not going well. And I was safe and healthy. And, you know, I was— it was more of a dark night of the soul kind of a thing. But that book just really opened up my, my world. I remember I read it in one sitting. I couldn't put it down. It was the most compelling thing I'd ever even thought of, right? Like the idea that you can recall past lives. And I ended up going to a workshop that he was giving. And I started to have past life memories. And that experience completely changed the way that I look at everything. It allowed me to just completely renegotiate who I thought I was and why I'm here, why any of us are here, and what life is all about.

Yeah, yeah. So you said you went to the workshop, you started having past life memory— memories. Were you regressed, or did this come spontaneously?

So what he did was these kind of group regressions, a lot of similar to what I do on the, um, Evolve Plus platform when I— we go live, their group meditations. But I started seeing images and feeling things. Some of them were intensely emotional. Um, and then he actually said, you know, I know that there are hundreds of people here. Many had traveled from far corners of the world to be there in his presence. And he said, I can only choose one volunteer to come up on stage to demonstrate this. And the second he said that, I knew that it would be me. I was in the back, and I was kind of like, ooh, meet me. And I did. He did. He did. He chose me. And I went up on stage, and I had this experience in front of hundreds of people that just completely shattered my entire perception of myself. And again, life and purpose and all of that. So yeah, I felt like I needed to pay that forward because it was such an instantaneously transformative experience to me. It was very healing. You know, the, the regression that I did with him is actually something he included in his most recent book, which is called Miracles Happen. Um, and the story is basically about my mother who died in this life in 1977. I was still 2, and I saw her in a past life I saw, you know, she was my wife, I was the husband, which seems strange, but there it was. Yeah, I felt it. I knew it. I could tell how much love was between us. And yeah, once I was able to kind of see that, and how I died in that past life, it helped me kind of negotiate a lot of things about how I saw my father grieve in this life. After losing my mother. So yeah, it was literally like maybe 15 years of, of therapy, like 30 minutes.

Yeah.

Don't, don't bypass therapy, or don't bypass your work with a grief coach to anyone listening out there. But it was just incredibly healing. And there was an instant knowing that we've been together before. She had to leave and couldn't stay with me in this life. We'll be together again. So it was a very, very, very, um, much a balm for my soul for that loss that had shaped me. It had shaped my entire life up to that point.

Yeah, I'm sure it did. So I know you're, you're a shaman and you're medium, so you're highly intuitive. Did that come about after you had this past life regression, or was that something you had before?

I definitely had a lot of experiences as a child that I didn't understand. And I also didn't have anybody that could explain it to me. I grew up very religious. Past lives were not something that my family believed in. They actually still don't believe in it, but they say that they understand that I believe in it. You know, I just— a very rigid, you know, system of beliefs that didn't allow for these things. And Yeah, I saw people who had passed. I saw my mother after she had passed. I had conversations with her. I actually had conversations with animals and trees, which is why I was really drawn to the study of shamanic practices, mostly from actually 5 different continents. I've studied like indigenous healing practices. That just felt very natural to me. I was kind of a you know, granola, nature kind of kid. So a lot of my intuitive stuff just kind of came out of that. It didn't seem like it was anything that hit me over the head. I did bury it though, as I got older. And after that regression, it came back, but like with a vengeance. It was just like, opened up. I actually could see people's auras in that audience after the regression.

Oh, wow.

Okay. I opened my eyes. I was like, wait a second.

Yeah, colors.

I could see people's emotions. I actually could see them. So yeah, after that, it took a lot of seeking out teachers, people that could help me understand those experiences and become grounded in them, and then also use them, the alchemy, to use them to help other people. So that was really what my journey of the last 20 years has been.

Wow.

After having that original past life memory. Yeah.

So, you know, it's really interesting to me, the, um, people who really push so hard against the idea of reincarnation or past lives, in my experience, it's been pretty much Christian fundamentalists, um, who have been taught that the Bible says there's no such thing. What's your— what's been your experience in terms of people that say, I just don't believe? Has it been anybody outside of that group? Stay with us.

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So I love to remind people that actually, past lives were in the Bible.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, Emperor Constantine took them out, you know, with the Council of Nicaea. And a lot of people are surprised to hear that, which to me makes sense because, you know, Christianity stemmed from Judaism, and you really can't understand mystical Judaism or Kabbalah without understanding reincarnation, past lives. And actually, there are snippets in the Dead Sea Scrolls and some of those lost books that actually do speak to reincarnation. Um, my family are, um, Mormons.

Wow, okay.

Right, so reincarnation is— they do talk a lot about like a pre-life, they call it the pre-existence, yeah, afterlife. Um, but that the fact the idea that we reincarnated in, in a bodily form just wasn't, um, taught. And I don't think anybody thinks that it's evil in, in that tradition to teach that. But I do sometimes run into people who are kind of Christian fundamentalists that say that that's an experience of Satan, or hypnosis is an experience that opens you up to evil spirits or Satan. And right, I think that's, um, kind of crazy because, you know, hypnosis and meditation are so, um, you know, intricately, uh, entwined. You know, they're almost the same thing. So, yeah, I mean, I, I just— everybody's entitled to their own beliefs and their own opinion. But what I like to invite people to do is to make room for their own direct experience. You cannot believe in reincarnation and do a past life regression with me and then have an experience, and you still might say, I don't know if that was actually my past life, right? Because truth is such a personal concept. What's true for you might not be true for me. And that newfound beliefs don't have to negate previously held beliefs, right?

Right.

You talk about that on your lives on Evolve Plus a lot, like about how, you know, we can— we don't have to accept all the tenets of a certain institution. And, and if we reject that, that negates the pieces and the parts that we, we want to hold because they make sense to us. Right? Yeah, resonate with us.

So yeah, I, I encourage people to do your own study, do your own exploration, because that's what I did. And, and I've been— I was told that the Bible teaches, or Christianity teaches, there's no such thing reincarnation. But like you said, it was mostly edited out of the Bible, but they miss some places. And there are places in the Bible that do talk about, you know, people coming back. They talk about John the Baptist being Elijah Jesus talks about, you know, God is the God of the living, not the dead. And so they, they were at— they, you know, they're always asking, is this person that person? And there's another verse I think is really interesting, is where they asked Jesus, the man that was born blind, and said, was he born blind because of his parents' sin or because of his sin? Which indicates, how could a baby, you know, sin before he was born? So they were saying, was this like a karmic thing? And Jesus did not correct them. So I, I think there is, even in our, in our own Bibles, there's that. And I, and I think it's really interesting, as I said, that most of the world accepts this pretty readily. That's, that's kind of what I was getting at. So if you're, if you're rejecting it because someone's told you you should, then understand that, you know, even the early church fathers did believe in past lives. And you— it's funny, interesting you mentioned Mormonism, because I had never heard about pre-existence until after Shayna passed. And I was mentioning to my sister-in-law who's Mormon, and she's like, oh yeah, we teach that. I'm like, oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah. Oh, interesting. So your sister-in-law is Mormon, so you know a little bit about it. Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that, um, the idea that we were just created as we were born is— doesn't really make sense if you actually look at nature and study nature, which I do, right? Like, energy is not created or destroyed, it only changes forms. You know, to me, the idea that we existed before made more sense than if we were just poof, created in a, in a moment just for this life. And also, why did, why do babies die and some people live to be 100? Right?

Yeah.

If this is just our only, you know, go around, how is that fair? Right? I used to think about those things when I was a kid. And it really wasn't until I understood how reincarnation actually worked that I was able to kind of reconcile a lot of those thoughts that I had, that there's a bigger picture to our existence than just this one lifetime.

Yeah, it does answer a lot of questions, and that's what I try to encourage people to do. Look at, look at it as a, as a theory. See, does it, does it make sense to you? Does it answer some of these questions? Like you said, you know, a child that's stillborn that never even gets to, to come into a body, or a child that only gets to be, you know, a few minutes or a few months old— that seems so grossly unfair if this is our only incarnation. And if we think about the fact that, you know, we have multiple incarnations, it does, it does make more sense. And we all have these things that we seem to come in with. When anybody that's had more than one child realizes that that child's not a blank slate. When they come in, they have a personality.

You do, right? Yes, they do. They have the— they, they, they, they come ready with their quirks and their all their potential. And it's, it's so true, they're complete individuals.

Yeah. So you, um, you said, okay, I want to start doing this, I want to start doing past life regressions, um, because it really impacted like who you are. And that's the thing, you know, another big question I always say to people is I always ask like, so what? So if we have past lives and we can't— people say, I have a past life but I can't remember, it doesn't make any difference, why would I even care? But what we found out, we find that these regressions, it does make a big difference.

Yeah, it does. And once I had that experience with Dr. Weiss, it kind of had a little bit of a weighty feel to it, not in a bad way, but it felt like it came with a responsibility to share it. Maybe that was my own, you know, obviously believing in past lives, like that was meant to happen. And this was a path that I was, you know, meant to take and something I was meant to teach. It just felt— I felt really strongly that I needed to help people, and that was the way that I would do it. In fact, one of my first past life memories, even before the one I did on stage, I remembered being in— it was like the turn of the century. I knew it was like the early 1900s in Chicago, and there was a building that was on fire and people were leaping from the— it was a terrible, terrible disaster. I had on like lacy gloves and like I had like a parasol. And I was like, oh, I need to help these people. And I— but it was like, how, how do I help these people? I'm not capable of helping people in the state I was, right? It was this really interesting message to me that like, drop the parasol and take off the gloves and go out there and you know, get the hose and try to help people, right? I was like, I just froze. And I sat there as Michelle in, you know, this century, kind of watching myself going, what? Why am I frozen? Yeah, go do something, go help people, right? So it's kind of this interesting mix of watching who you are now, watching your past self make the decisions that they made, knowing that you would make different ones today.

Right.

They come with these little messages in, you know, when you do a past life regression, which, you know, because you did one as well.

Yeah.

It's like a little message from your former self to your current self about what you need to do in life and the path that you, um, need to take. So, yeah.

So how many, how many past lives would you say that you've recalled at this point?

Oh gosh. Um, like, I think like 46 or 47, like something like that, which means that that's how much work I needed to do on myself, right? That's how much I needed to change. Um, yeah, they, they tumbled out at the beginning pretty quickly. And I remember when I went back to Dr. Weiss, maybe like 9 months after that initial experience, because I wanted to learn the technique from him, I did a professional training with him and his wife Carol. That they were at the time training professionals to do this. And I told him, I was like, yeah, you know, I had like 30 past lives. And he just looked at me like, what? He's like, that's a lot more than most people. Diplomatic way. He was like, that's a lot more than most people.

Yeah.

And so now, a lot of times when I have a problem that I'm looking to solve, or a situation that is troubling, I sit on it and meditate on it. And sometimes the past life will come that will give me insight into it. Sometimes it won't until after I've navigated the situation. I'll sit there and go, oh, I know this is like a karmic thing from a past life. I need help. Like, give me the primer, give me the CliffsNotes. And it doesn't come because I'm meant to work through it on my own. So yeah, it's not a failsafe tool for me.

But yeah, you know, well, you know, people say we've had hundreds, maybe thousands of past lives, but most of us, if we do recall, it's a couple, I think. Um, there are people who recall more. I think, uh, my Kelvin Chen, I think he said 60 that he's recalled. Um, and it goes back like 6,000 years. Um, but some, some he has more detail on, some are just like little snippets. So it's not like, you know, when you have this, like, you remember the entire lifetime.

Yeah, it's a little snapshot. It's like a moment in time. And didn't Shirley MacLaine say she remembered 100 of hers?

I think so.

Yeah, which people are like, oh, that's crazy. I'm like, no, she's just been at it for a long time, right? Like, that's not, you know, and she probably has 10 times more lives in human form. Yeah, they're like little snapshots. It's like a day in the life, right? Moment.

So, so one thing I wanted to ask you, because this is the second time I've done a past life regression, and you're, you're an intuitive. So you're like, I'm talking to your guides, I'm kind of going into this journey with you. That wasn't my experience before. Um, is that something that Dr. Weiss teaches, or is that your own kind of spin?

So Dr. Weiss does a really good job of, you know, staying in a particular lane because he is an MD psychiatrist, you know, right? MD psychiatrist. And, you know, he does this professional training to all kinds of people, including clergy, psychiatrists, people that want to add it to their practice. I actually realized that I could use my intuitive abilities with it as I was guiding people, as I was working with clients. So, yeah, I would just be like, wait, I'm seeing what they're seeing while they're talking. And I'm trying to be careful not to say, okay, and then we see this, and then what happens? And let them kind of lead themselves through it.

Right.

Once I realized that I'm actually seeing what they're seeing. But also, when with the life coaching part of the session, where we sit down and kind of talk about, you know, what, what they're curious about, or what parts of their life they think might be impacted by a past life, and, you know, what we want to ask our guides to help us with, I started realizing that I was getting intuitive hits from people's guides as well. They're kind of whispering, they're like, ask him about the time when he was 10, you know. Yeah, um, yeah, that just developed over time as I started to, to practice this. And, um, you know, I've been doing this for 20 years now, um, and it's the most exciting, most interesting job on the entire planet.

Yeah, well, I, I— reason I brought that up, because not everybody can do what you do, because not everybody has that ability. And my, my experience with you, to get into that a little bit, was you, you write, you like, we had like this life coaching session before, which really kind of set, set it up. And then, you know, we had a little debriefing afterward. So it's more than just like, you're just going to have this experience, and then it's up to you to just kind of figure it out. You're, you're bringing in guides, you're doing a life coaching thing, like, what are you looking to get out of this? And then after you do it, you know, what did you get out of this? So again, going back to my like, so what thing, I might have a past life experience to remember, you know, I was an Indian woman and whatever, and I had this day, and then this is the way I died. But how does it impact me now? What's, what's the message from that? Because, uh, my understanding is when you do get a past life, a memory, it should have some application to your— to the life you're living now. It shouldn't just be like just totally random for no reason, right?

Absolutely. I always want it to be a usable tool, a piece of information that's applicable to life now. And the joke I always make is like, unless you're an archaeologist, who cares, right?

Right.

History is cool, and it'd be like, oh, I was in this time period. Well, what's the takeaway? How do you take that home, right? And there are a ton of books out there about people's past life stories. Like, it's like, and then he was a pirate, and he remembered this, and he remembered that. Like, I remember feeling curious. I was like, well, how did he take that pirate home? And did he use— how did he use that in his life today? So that's why it felt really important for me as, um, in my coaching practice to kind of develop that. And when I wrote my book, to really let it be a tool, a guide, like, how do you figure out how to navigate this life, the life we're living right now, and the future that we're creating actively with our choices? That's what matters the most to me.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I wanted to really to bring out from the experience that I had with you was that I really appreciated that, that framing and kind of the way the session went, the whole arc of it. And it wasn't just like, it wasn't just, you know, remembering random things. And that was able to help me kind of take these things and plug them into like, what are we doing? And we, again, we talked about like beforehand, which I think set it up to like, these are the types of things that, that you need, you know, the things that you need, right? That's what we really want to know is what is it that I need to know now to apply to my life today, right?

Right. Yeah, yeah. And the answers all lie within, you know. I think that that's what's surprising to most people. They're like, where did I get that from? It was like right under the surface if you just relax and know exactly where to focus. And again, it comes from your, your guides as well. They're facilitating it, but You know, we go ask advice of other people all day when literally the answers lie right within us. We, we already know we have these tools, um, and we've been old and wise many times too. I started thinking about that, like, we're thousands of years old and we've had so many different, a variety of life experiences. Like, if we can use that to navigate, you know, our lives today and also help contribute to the what's going on collectively in the world today, which is, you know, requiring a lot of us, you know, to grow and change and evolve. So yeah, that's— it was really important to me that it not just be like past life tourism, or, you know, you're floating on a cloud and tripping out on what your details were of your past life, to actually have it be a piece of information for your life today.

And we talked a little bit earlier, you mentioned that hypnosis and meditation are very much alike. Um, so a lot of us, such people like myself who are control freaks, might be like, okay, first of all, I don't know if I could be hypnotized, and secondly, I don't know if I want to be hypnotized because I'm going to be out of control. So, um, just to share my experience with a couple times I've done this it's not like you're out of control. It's not like you're, um, you know, you're taken out of your body or anything like that. I found it to be just deeply, deeply relaxing. Um, and it was interesting because, you know, I would go into— when I went into it, I, I'm again, I'm a control freak. I'm a very analytical person. So I'm trying like, okay, let's not try to overanalyze this. Let's just try to figure if this is right, if this is correct, you know, for the time period or whatever. I was just trying to go with it. But I did find myself like when, when you said, okay, it's time to come back, I'm like, if you would ask me how long it had been, I had no idea. I didn't know if it was 45 minutes or 2 hours. It just— you— I've totally lost track of time.

Yeah, that's actually one of the ways that I ask people. They're like, oh, how do I know I did it right? Or if I went somewhere, I'm always like, what time do you think it is? Yeah, never right, right? So, you know, and it's interesting that you describe, um, If you, if you feel like you don't want to lose control, first of all, you're, you're always in control. You never give up control to another person. These people who demonstrate hypnosis on stage that make people bark like a duck or quack like a dog, they're doing that because those people have volunteered to do that, right?

Right.

You were one of those people in the audience who were like, there is no way I'm gonna bark like a dog. You wouldn't, right?

Right.

And you're also not the person the hypnotist would choose. That's part of the talent in, in that kind of hypnosis is choosing the person that's like, ooh, I'd like to do it. But also there's a certain kind of like rapport and trust, like, you know, you're letting yourself open up into your unconscious mind, you know, with a guide, right? So if there's somebody who, like, for example, like if you're getting like a massage and the massage therapist has like a little bit of like a creepy vibe, you know, you're maybe not able to kind of relax as fully into the massage, right? So it's, it's about having a trustworthy person. And the way I'd navigate that is by being trustworthy, right?

Yeah.

That you feel is confident. That's— I've walked this path myself. That's part of why I felt like it was really important for me to do my own past life work. And so many memories of my own past lives. I've walked this trail. I've been there. I've— I know exactly what it's like. So, but yeah, you can't, you can't give, you know, your, your control over to anyone else. But if you decide you don't want to do it, then you won't. Yeah, it is. It's a lot like guided meditation, where it's up to you how deep you want to go into it. Yeah.

And I really like the way that you talked about the different clairs, the different way people feel things because, or experience things, I guess I should say. Because when I first heard about this, and I've done some facilitated after-death communications and stuff like that, I think the expectation is like, it's like, you're going to be like there, and it's going to be visible, and you're going to feel the sun on your face and all that kind of stuff. That's not the way that I experienced it. And you also opened me up to saying, you might just know something, or you might just have a feeling about something. So to trust that, as opposed to it's all going to be visual, or it's all going to be auditory.

Yeah, I think that for some reason as human beings, we think that what we see makes something more real than we feel or know or sense or smell, right? Where, um, we have 5 senses, we have many more. Like, they— like, ESP is not— extrasensory perception isn't just one way we perceive. There's many ways we can perceive. So yeah, a lot of people do kind of just know it. That's called claircognizance, clairsentience. I'm also claircognizant, clairsentient. It can be harder to trust. And then again, the clairvoyance kind of can come with that. But sometimes people have to take a leap of faith and are like, well, my gut's telling me this is where I am. And you did a really good job of kind of letting it flow and not shutting it down. But it did start from the gut. And then from there, I think that you were able to kind of see and feel other things as well. Yeah, it's not like being in a movie or, um, you know, being in a time portal where this— yeah, singing and the sun's on your face. But, you know, um, it's different for everyone.

Yeah, I think that's really important because it's setting expectations going in. Because I've, I've done other types of things before and I'm like, well, I didn't get anything, you know. And other people are like, oh yeah, I saw this or I felt this. And after the years that I've been, you know, doing this work and, and talking to a lot of people who are mediums, I know mediums experience things differently. So a lot of us think that mediums, it's like your loved one comes in and sits down in front of them and they can, they can look at them and describe what they look like and they hear their voice. And that's not the way mediumship works. It's really learning to trust those more, those more subtle senses. So I think that's why it worked better for me this time maybe than even last time. Because of the way you set that up for me by saying, you don't— it does— it's not— doesn't have to be this way, you know, and, and more trusting what you're feeling. Yeah.

And again, we have many ways to experience, um, psychic information. And I start using these terms with my clients, like clairvoyant, claircognizant, and they're like, well, I'm not a psychic. My response to that is, but you're a human being. Yeah, right. Yeah, all human beings are intuitive. It's a matter of learning how it works for you. Not all of us are mediums— and, you know, I'm not a medium in the way that, you know, John Edward is a medium. I actually get things from your guides. It's a matter of just kind of learning how it works for you. And anybody who's interested can develop those skills. And I think one of the most powerful side effects of doing a passive regression is you kind of get a guided tour of your unconscious mind and a lot more confidence. Like, I am somebody who gets those gut feelings, or sometimes I'll see things that happen, right? So, um, that's kind of the intuitive development, uh, portion of, you know, doing, doing a regression. It has, it has a lot of benefits, but that's also an additional one.

Yeah, absolutely. And, and I have— I've done a little bit of mediumship training, nothing formal, but I've taken a couple things from friends that are mediums. I've sat in on a couple of things, and for me, it, you know, I would when I did get hits, and I got a couple that were pretty incredible, I just totally felt like I was making it up.

Yeah.

And I was almost embarrassed to say it because I'm like, okay, I'm just making this up. But then they were like, yeah, that's, that's right, you know. So that helped me a little bit to understand, okay, maybe I should trust this. And, and my experience with you, I had, I had a memory because the first thing I had to do was have a childhood memory And I was telling you, I don't remember much before about the age of 8. And I went back to like I was 3, which was really kind of surprising because I don't, I don't remember. I mean, I know those memories are there, but I just can't, I can't access them. Um, and then I had a couple different, uh, lives that I had. One was pretty historically accurate. There were some things about it that were, that were off, but like a couple things that were really And the other one wasn't so historically accurate. So it doesn't— it does— and I want to say to people, it doesn't mean that you're going to get everything right. You're going to say it's June 23rd, 1865, and this is the day that Lincoln was shot or something, right?

Right. It's true. Yeah. I mean, the, the names and dates and places can sometimes be tricky, but as long as you get enough of, enough of the pieces that you feel that you understand, that's the time period you're in without worrying about all of the details. And, and I get people that do kind of overthink this. Like, um, I think I told you during our session, I, I had a guy I worked with one time who was like, were cars invented in 1903? Because I just said the car and it's 1903, right? It's kind of like to, to not worry about all of those, um, kind of details. But I do remember, um, your childhood memory. I think it was when your brother was a baby, but you described You said, you said, I have Buster Brown shoes on. Yeah, see those kinds of like details. And you just knew you were 3 there. You didn't have to go and ask somebody if you were 3. You just knew.

Right, right, right.

There's a knowing and seeing and a feeling and it's kind of a combination.

So yeah, so I guess advice I've given to people, if you're thinking about doing this, and you're again, like someone like me, you you really starting to try to learn to trust yourself. And don't, and don't overthink it, and don't feel like everything has to be, you know, right. You know, um, there have been some people that have gotten really super specific stuff, you know, but I don't think— and you can tell me— that's probably not the usual experience where someone's gonna, uh, get everything historically accurate.

I do occasionally get people who send me like a newspaper clipping that they believe was their own obituary. Yeah, I'll say a date that lines up with, um, there was one woman I worked with one time who was describing the working with, um, developing the vaccine, I guess, or whatever, but, and she said a few things, details that were like, whoa, that, that was what happened, right? Um, So, and, and she also worked for a pharmaceutical company in this life, which is interesting.

Yeah.

So, you know, there's stuff like that. And I, I, as far as clinical evidence, scientific evidence that this person's past life was real, I don't know if we can ever definitively do that, right?

Yeah.

It's empirical evidence, which is, is, I think, substantial enough that for, for me, it's kind of like, oh, you know, if you describe this scene and there's a newspaper clipping that describes the car accident that you described, the make, the model of the car, who you were in the car, right? To me, that's, you know, and but if there's one or two details wrong, does that negate the whole thing, right? Because we're remembering it. And just like remembering things in this life, sometimes, you know, like in a court proceeding, people will be like, you know, I'm thinking of that scene from My Cousin Vinny where the woman didn't have the her glasses on, like she didn't see the She didn't see the car. Um, you know, that kind of stuff happens because we're humans and we're always operating through our own human filter. So it doesn't negate, um, any kind of truth that, that you felt you find. Yeah.

And I, and that's the— that's what I think that's important. That's the point that I was making, I guess. It's like, it's also, you know, we were talking earlier, spirit time is different. You know, if there, you know, there's an argument whether there's time or not in the spirit world. There's like whether time exists here. Some people say time is an illusion. And physicists will tell us that time should run either way. So.

Exactly. And I think also, too, that lifetime that you felt wasn't as historically accurate. Do you remember I asked you when you said the year, I said, would we call that AD or BC?

Yeah. Yeah.

So maybe that was the detail you got wrong, right? Or it's kind of hard to, hard to say. But for me, I'm actually more concerned You know, and, and my teacher Brian D Smith will say, you know, because he's an MD psychiatrist, he'll say, even if you made it up, it's still true.

Yeah, right.

And for me, it's more about kind of the takeaway, but there's also an emotional kind of quality.

Yeah.

Memory— the past life memories have that if it were projection or fantasy or something you read out of a novel, I think would be difficult to, to replicate. And I always point that out to people. I'm like, You know, I don't know if it's real, but you are crying.

Yeah, you know, I have to say, because, um, the, the first memory that I had, which was the one that would, would be called Turkey in today's time, it, it was, it was okay, and I felt it and everything. But the second one I had, I actually got really emotional, um, and, and I was like, why is— why am I— you know, I, I really couldn't understand why it was, it was so emotional for me. So that And I could— that's the thing. It's like, you know, it was interesting because the year I got was the year that, you know, something happened historically in the US. And I was a Native American and I actually got the tribe right. I got the state wrong from where they would have been from, but the state they went to, I actually did get right. And again, that's not the really most important thing, but it was— and it was a— it was kind of— it was a sad life. You know, it was like, well, sad, I guess, from a certain perspective, right? So That one really impacted me a lot, that, that particular life that I recalled.

Yeah, the grief, the loss.

Yeah, the—

I, I don't, I don't think you felt angry, but there was a certain kind of, um, you know, unfairness about what was going on, and it really was palpable. Yeah, that felt emotionally—

yeah. So, um, I want to get to, to your book because, um, you know, you, you've written this, this book and I want people to understand, you know, if they don't want to— don't get a past life regression necessarily, which I do recommend, uh, tell people about your book.

Yeah, so my book, actually I have it right here, um, it is called Who Do You Think You Are? An Interactive Journey Through Your Past Lives and Into Your Best Future. Um, and it is really interactive. I designed the book to be for people who, regardless of if you've had 50 passive regressions or never had one or never even heard of it, that it actually helps kind of open you up to the idea that you can connect with your past lives. It kind of teaches you how, it gives you different, um, ideas and different ways to do that. It has a lot of journaling exercises and meditations, um, but it really is a book about identity. Which is why I called it Who Do You Think You Are?

Yeah.

So each of the chapters introduces a certain false identity that we have that we know are false once we understand that we are not a body, that we're a soul who incarnates over many, many lifetimes. And so by stripping away each of those kind of like things that we're not, We eventually come to the truth of who we are, which is that we're eternal beings. The idea came to me when I was thinking about a concept called neti neti. It's a Buddhist— it's 'I am this and I'm not that.' And it is a meditation practice where you kind of strip away all of the different things that you cling to that you think are your identity. So I start with your name, and then your looks, your gender, your race, ethnicity. You're not your thoughts, you're not your suffering, you're not anything that you've lost or gained, right? Um, and so yeah, I mean, I— people say they're really enjoying the book because it kind of becomes a companion to this journey as you want to kind of discover your true identity through your past lives, by way of your past lives, knowing more about yourself And yeah, that's really what I designed it to be, is to inspire people to want to start this journey and to kind of help everyone understand what our true nature actually is, and that we can actually know that in a very real and practical way. And then once you understand who you truly are, that you're a soul, not a body, that you can actually see other people that way as well. Yeah, I've always said, I've said this a million times, that I think that if everyone everywhere understood how reincarnation worked and actually what past lives are, we would very, very naturally create a society that featured acceptance, love, true equality, right? Compassion. Yeah, that we, we— there is no other. Anytime we see someone and, and assign some sort of otherness to them you know, in a past life, they were something totally different, and they're on their journey, and you're on yours. So that was, you know, my intention behind that book was to really kind of teach by showing people, like, see who you were in a past life, and then, you know, see that these identities that you cling to that are keeping us disconnected and getting away from that kind of unity consciousness that we so desperately need to find a way to achieve. Yeah, maybe not in this life, maybe in a few more lifetimes we'll eventually get there, but what matters is that we're working towards it.

Yeah, as you were saying, that reminded me— I don't know who it was, there was a philosopher who came up with the thought experiment, and he's like, if you could, when you look at a person, imagine that you could be born in those exact circumstances, then we would have a whole lot more equality in the world. We'd have a whole different legal system. We'd have a different social safety net because we think of ourselves as who we are in this lifetime, or in the circumstances we were born into. And many of us— some of us can, but many of us can't put ourselves into someone else's position. So therefore, we pass a law that says, well, we don't need universal healthcare, for example, because I have it, um, because we can't imagine being in the circumstances where, where we don't. So something like this where you can experience maybe living in a different culture, maybe being a different gender, uh, maybe being a different class, maybe being a poor person or being an extremely wealthy person and realizing that that's not the answer, right? That you, you might have lived a lifetime, you were really wealthy and you were miserable.

Yep, that's right. It is the idea that like you are another me, right? Um, and I do kind of guide people through that in the book. There's so many different exercises where it's like, okay, uncover a past life memory and then make a slideshow. You know, I mean, I just revealed how old I am. Slideshow— we used to make those pictures with the slides, and then you'd show your friends the slides from your trip. Um, you know, make a slideshow about your— that past life and tell people, you know, about it, where you were in a different country, a different time period. You had different beliefs, you had different experiences. And then eventually what that leads us to is that these experiences of being human are universal, regardless of if we're rich, poor, Black, white, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, right? And doing this work can kind of strip away those identities that we cling to that do keep us stuck in that ego self where, you know, other, other people are not us, that tribalism.

So yeah, exactly. Well, um, is there anything that I didn't get around to ask you that you'd like to talk about?

Not, not that comes to mind. I mean, um, I absolutely loved working with you, um, because I just loved your approach to it. It was such a practical, down-to-earth approach, as as you do everything, but you had such an open mind. And I thought that your regression was like, you know, super beautiful. And I've been meaning to ask you if you wanted to do it for a while. So I was really excited that you were willing to and to share about it too.

Yeah, no, it was great. And what I did, because of the person I am, I took the transcript of our session and I put it into the AI and I interacted with it and kind of journaled and then just created this whole thing that kind of— and it did a really great job of like, it did the historical matches for me. So it was like, this is a match, this isn't so much of a match. It came up with the themes, you know, that were there.

So connected to each other.

Yeah. So I, um, I really got, you know, a lot out of it. So I want to thank you for doing that. And I also want to encourage people, if you're thinking about it and you're kind of on the fence and you wonder again, if it's, if it's at all scary to you or something, um, I would say, you know, give it, give it a shot. I've, I've done it a couple times now. Like I said, the experience with you, because of your unique set of skills, you know, being a life coach and being an intuitive, I think that just really added a whole lot of value to it.

Oh, I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, it's great to see you, uh, again, and, uh, have a good afternoon.

Thank you so much.

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