How to Create Passive Income Without Burnout | Legacy-Driven Wealth | Titan Impact Group

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Okay, I love that. So I'm super excited that we are here and with my fabulous friend Daniel, and we are talking about building family first wealth that actually lasts, which is really important. And on a twist that's really, really cool that I'm really excited that he's going to share with us and his whole journey about creating this, you know, inside of his life. So one of the things that we're talking about, I love to talk to entrepreneurs is because it's the. I feel like it's the American dream. Right. And Daniel, you and I connected several months ago when we were at the Hope Makers event, and you actually did something so unbelievably cool that I still can't stop thinking about it with the fork. Right. Which was super cool. So given that, you know, Titan Impact group, Titan as being the sentinels of the American dream. Right. And whatever the American dream is for people. So I would love for you to share with our audience like, your version of the American Dream because I think it's super cool and way unique.

That's actually a tough question because I think the American dream is dead, but I think that everybody has a dream to be able to find happiness, to be able to support themselves and support them, their family. And I don't think it's just an American dream. I think that's the dream for everyone to be able to just spend more time with the people that they love. And. And the honest truth is, you know, unless you create a Way to find that financial freedom. Unless you create, you know, the life that you want, you're just going to end up doing the life that you're handed. And so, you know, that's where, you know, I guess you could call it the American dream of being able to start from nothing and create something. And that's really what I did. You know, I started with nothing, came from lower socio economic background, and I started my entire career as a mentalist and keynote speaker in college. When I was broke, I was laid off of my student job. I wasn't sure how I was going to pay my 300 rent for my slumlord apartment, which my room was actually a kitchen that had been converted into a bedroom. So I had a sink at the foot of my bed. It was, it was awful and I couldn't afford it. And then I decided I was going to go out on the streets and just start doing magic. And so I started busking. And that's where I realized, wait, people can pay me to do this? Right? And I never thought of that before. Okay, well let's put together a show. People wanted me for birthday parties. I started doing birthday parties. I was like, wait, you can do more than birthday parties. People bring in magicians for company parties. Well, what do I need to do in order to do that? Well, I know I need to create my own, my own curriculum. At the time I was studying atmospheric sciences, I wanted to be a weatherman, I wanted to chase storms. That was what I wanted to do is, you know, severe weather research. And. And so I dropped all of my classes and I started taking psychology, acting, dictation, I took broadcast journalism, and I took all of these classes that I thought would give me the skills that I needed to be successful. And so I guess when it comes to creating that dream or making it manifest, at the end of the day, everybody is doing the best that they can with the tools that they have. And so if you're not where you want to be and you are doing the best that you can, then the question is, what additional tools do you need to get to where you want to go? And for me at that time it was taking additional classes. And then when my student loans got cut off, it was like, who can teach me? And so then I flew to Costa Rica and I trained with David Hyrum. And then during the pandemic, I don't want to get better at school speaking. And so Les Brown was taking on students and so I was able to mentor.

You got trained by Les Brown?

Yes, I did.

How extraordinary that had to be.

It was cool. It was in the pandemic, so we did it all virtually, but every single week, you know, being able to sit at his feet and learn and then be able to get critiqued and have all of my stuff, you know, tweaked. It taught me how to mine the stories from my life. And so I don't just use that for my keynote speaking. I use that in every single magic show. And it taught me a skill to where I have this database of stories that I've created from my life, and then each one can make five or six different points, because this is the way Les Brown teaches you, is you never make a point without a story, and you never tell a story without a point. And so I was able to take these stories, whether it's crashing my bike, falling out of a tree house, whether it's when I found out that I had autism, that's the story I use all the time in my magic shows. And so you tell the story and then you make a point, and the stories help anchor the points. And. And so I realized that with these company parties and these corporate events, at the end of the day, every single meeting that we have is for a reason. Whether it's for connection, whether it's for appreciation, whether it's to get people excited. And so I was going to be able to use these stories to not only get everyone laughing, turn people invisible, and give them an amazing, entertaining show, but then at the end of the show, connect everyone and bring the entire event together with a story that is customized specifically for that client.

That's extraordinary. I love what you do so much and how you do it, which is amazing, and your version of the American dream. So again, you're going to school and being. What did you call it? An extreme. I always want to say, like, it reminds me, like, Twister, you're, like, chasing those storms.

I wanted to be a severe weather researcher, and so a storm chaser and go out and actually drive and chase the tornadoes and launch rockets, all of that. Like Twister. Yeah.

So awesome. So you have that dream, and then literally, out of necessity, came the other part of your dream and becoming this extraordinary magician, but a magician in a way that is motivating, inspiring, and literally, like, taking companies forward faster through the messaging. I love that so much.

Absolutely. You know, go ahead. This is kind of fun, but have any of you ever thought of multiverse theory? This idea that there are other universes and other multiverses and every decision that you make, your Life could have gone this way or it could have gone that way. And in some universe that's happening. Yes. The thing is we have so much potential. We can do just about anything that we set our minds to. And in my keynote performance, Beyond Expectations, one of the things I talked about is how our teams and ourselves, we can go through multiple lives. And so if at any point you feel like you're stuck or you feel like something needs to change, you don't have to stay the same. You can always go do something else, you can always try something new. You can become something else and evolve. And throughout my life I've, you know, I, I was studying, first off, I was studying pre med, I thought I was going to be an epidemiologist. And then in college I ended up switching to atmospheric sciences. I've worked at pizza places, I've been a personal chef, I got a certificate in electronics, so I can do electronic stuff and, and there's just like so many of these little different things that led me to where I'm at now. And every single one was fun. You know, I miss making pizzas at Papa John's. It was fun. It's not what I wanted to do for the rest of my life, but it was fun and tactile. I liked doing it. And so the thing is that it's okay to have multiple lives. You know, for the last 10 years, no, the last almost 15 years, I've been a magician and mentalist and now I'm doing a lot more keynote speaking and probably in the next five, 10 years it's going to shift more into the keynote speaking and I'll still do the magic that's never going to go away. But the way that your life is right now doesn't have to be the way that it always is. And as we learn and as we grow and as we evolve, I think it's okay to embrace the change. And, and so I, I always like to make long term plans of like, this is where I want to be in one year, in two years, in five years, in 10 years. But it gets progressively more blurry the further out I go because I hold onto that one year plan as like, this is where I will be in one year. But then, you know, two years, five years, 10 years, things could change, AI could change, you know, the world could change, I could change. And so I just like having a direction that I'm going, but then always keeping my options open and always seeing what's out there and what could be next.

Yep. So I love that, because here's the thing that I, I love this, I love your story so much because it literally is exactly what I talk about inside of investing, right? Like how many people the, the, the days are gone where you get a good education, you get a good job and you're there for the rest of your just not going to happen. And the fact that you gave yourself permission to explore and try all these different things until you found the thing that you're that's making your heart sing right now and it's continuing to evolve. Well, investing is the exact same way, right? Like I always tell people, go into each, each type of investment different. And of course I'm in real estate. So do the different aspects of real estate investing go full cycle on each one, go through the process of the self analysis so that you can figure out what, what worked, what didn't work, what you liked, and then go on to the next one full cycle, keep going, going, going, going, going. And by doing that, what you're left with at the end is literally, you know, what makes your heart sing. So for me, from doing buy and hold, fix and flip, wholesaling, residential ground up, commercial ground up, Airbnb is like all the things I like, being the bank and renting, dirt, those are my things. Right? But it was because I gave myself permission. You have created this beautiful life for yourself based on giving yourself permission. Right. So when it comes to, you know, building wealth, creating that, it's like, I feel like it's hold on to the vision but let go of the picture.

Right? Absolutely, yeah.

What your goal is at the end, which is so important. So, so let's talk about why people stay stuck, because I feel like you have like catapulted over that and people could learn from you.

Well, there was this meme that I read recently and they were making fun of Gen Z's and so I don't think they intended for it to be insightful. I think they were just trying to make fun of them. But you know, the situation, the context is that the company is cutting back and they're scaling back and they're laying people off because they're trying to cut costs. And then this Gen Z intern reaches out and says, have we just tried increasing revenue? And, and you know, it's funny, but at the same time, a lot of times we get so stuck with our past successes. You know, this thing has been working. We must keep doing this thing. And it becomes a limitation today. And as the world changes, maybe it's not working as well. As it used to be. And so, you know, first gut reaction is, we gotta cut costs, we gotta scale back, you know, because this thing works. It's proven to work. But if you just go, have we tried increasing revenue? What are. What are some of the ways of doing that? Well, if the world's changing, maybe we need to change, too. And so the framework that I teach is to ask what if? First off, because if you're stuck, you know, that's your reality. This is. This is what you're seeing. This is you have all of the tools, right, that you have. You know, you can't magically create more tools. And so if you're stuck, you're stuck. And so this is where we start asking the what if questions.

So I love that, because when you ask better questions, you get better answers, and I love the what if. So, okay, so what if. What if what?

What if there's another tool that I need? What if I can learn something new? What if, you know, if we're talking innovation, for instance, what if we tried the product this way instead of this way? What if we had a better onboarding experience? What if, you know, if we're talking about our own personal life. What if I don't have to stay in a job that pays 60,000 a year? You know, what if I could make a hundred thousand? What if I could make 250,000? What if I made a million a year? What would that look like? What would I do with it? How would I feel? And so asking these questions, what they do is they break the bounds of your reality. They start shattering the frame so that you can start seeing more options. And when you are stuck, the only way you can get unstuck is by asking questions you've never asked before, right? And then, so what I teach is to ask what if? And then after you've asked what if, you explore what's possible. Because once you start getting these ideas now, you start exploring them, you test feasibility. Well, if I wanted to be a million, you know, what if I was a millionaire? Okay, so what would I have to be doing? Well, we have to have multiple streams of income, which is what you teach people how to do. And, you know, what if I create a new revenue stream? What if I do this? And so anytime you get stuck, even when you're exploring, you go back to the what if questions. And so as you explore what's possible, pretty soon you develop a roadmap. And this is a roadmap that you've never traveled before. So it's Going to be exciting. It'll either work or it won't work. But the only way you can tell is step three. To go all in.

Yeah.

And. And so I teach that you go all in and you have to set stakes and you have to really give it a go. For me, there was. There was a period where my life wasn't working. And it was right as the pandemic was hitting. I had just gotten divorced, all of my gigs got canceled. I was severely depressed, and it felt like my entire world had just fallen apart. And I didn't want to keep going anymore. And so I asked for help. I checked myself into a facility, and then for about a month, I was like, I shouldn't have checked myself in. And then finally I was like, okay, I will give it a year. I will give myself a year to do everything that I can to make my life better. And then if it's not better, I can always just stop. And they kept me for another three weeks that they realized, okay, this is the best we're getting. But I held to that. I made a commitment that I was going to go all in and explore what was possible for an entire year. And that's the year where I challenged the beliefs that I grew up, and I challenged the religion, which was a really extreme, fundamentalist religion that I grew up in, and I challenged my entire world vision. And then I had the opportunity to train with Les Brown, and I said yes to that. I started studying stoicism for the entire year. I tried everything and I gave it my all. And I had no clue how much it was going to change my life, because at the end of that year, I was a completely different person. I felt free, I felt happy. I had made new friends. I had developed new communities that. That were now supporting me. And I also developed skills and learned things that I didn't know was possible. Just by allowing myself to challenge my concept of reality and then say yes to every opportunity, it changed my life.

I love that.

And so then that's where we go into the final step, which is step four, learn and grow. You know, this is. Not everything's going to work. And during that year, some things didn't work, but other things did. And that's where when we go all in, whether we face plant in the mud or whether we soar into the sky, there's always a lesson we can take from it. And I think this is even one of the things that people who have experienced a ton of success, they miss out on is because when something is successful, Oftentimes we just go, yay, it worked. All right, now what? But when something fails, like we spend months diving in and going, what went wrong? Why did it go wrong? You know, what could we have done differently? And if we take that same energy that we put on our failures and then put that on our successes and go, why did this work? Why was this so successful? How can we make it just 5% better? We can start to iterate the success and find ways to take it completely to the next level. We don't have to just learn and grow from our failures. We can learn and grow from everything.

Right? And it's the whole, like, I love the 5%. So I go from a 1%. If we're 1% better every single day at the end of one year, that's 365%. Right? Just one teeny tiny baby step every day. By the time you get to the end of the year, you've taken 365 baby steps, which get you miles down the road. Right. It's so, so critical. I absolutely love, like, love what you're sharing and what you're doing. So let's go ahead and keep moving forward with this because, yeah, I know you got to go. And your story is amazing. I would love for you to share about more about specifically how and what you teach people when you're speaking, like being a keynote speaker. Because I think this is powerful and I think more companies and more events need to have you come and be a keynote speaker.

Yeah. So with my keynote speech, I draw not only from my personal life, but I also draw from my years of experience as a magician and mentalist, because innovation and magic are pretty much the same thing. I mean, I'm sure most people have heard that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. You know, if we were to take a computer back into the 17th century, they would call it the magic box. And so when I'm creating something new for my show or when I'm creating a new magic trick, it's the same creative process that we go through when we want to either reinvent our lives, reinvent our teams, or reinvent our products within our company. But I don't just use this framework for my art. I use it for my life. It's something that I've lived, it's something that I've learned and experienced over time. And so what I want to do is I want to come into these companies and to help just kind of shake them up a little bit so that they see the world differently because a lot of times we just get stuck seeing the same thing. We just keep, you know, doing the same thing again and again. And if it's. If it's working, that's great. But the problem is the world keeps changing, right? And as the world keeps changing, we have to evolve as well or we get left behind. And. And so we can look at lots of companies that have failed on this. We've got BlackBerry who thought that the iPhone was a gimmick. We've got Blockbuster, who had the opportunity to buy Netflix, and they didn't, and Netflix put them out of business.

Right.

I. I think they had an opportunity with Redbox, too, but then even Redbox, you know, you know, they had something incredibly successful and they failed to pivot. Even Redbox is gone. I think. What was it? Was it Kodak? I think Kodak actually created the digital camera, and then they buried it because they're like, no, film is much better. And then years later, it was created again. And then even then, they got left behind with Yahoo.

Yes. So many Jeeves. Yep, yep.

And. And so then that's the thing. I mean, it's happening with Apple right now, right? Is constantly getting left behind by Android, Samsung, all of these other phone companies. And at the beginning, Apple was at the peak of innovation. They created the iPhone, they created the smartphone, the touchscreen, all of this stuff. Like, you know, having the keyboard on the touchscreen was. They were at the peak of innovation and it worked. But then after a while, they're like, well, this is so successful. We don't want to mess with it, because what if we change it and then they don't like it? We lose people.

Right?

And so, you know, we look at the phones and they add a button or, you know, they change the design. Oh, now. Now the icons are clear and they have. They're a little bit more rounded. And now they're adding features that other phones have had for two or three years. And at this point, Apple has fallen behind because that. That past success became a present limitation. And so that's what this entire keynote is about, is about how do you continue to innovate and how do you do it safely? Because, you know, it's. It's one thing to say, yes, we need to innovate, but if you don't do it safely, if you just throw everything that's working in the trash and then you fail, it could mess up your company. So what are the ways that we innovate safely and take safe risks and how do we learn from that and continue to grow? And it's something that I think everyone can learn from, whether it's for your company or whether it's for your own personal life. Because we have to take our own personal risks as well. Growth doesn't happen when we're comfortable. It only happens when we are uncomfortable.

Yes. And that's where the muscle has developed. I always told my twins the story of the, the caterpillar that, you know, the caterpillar was in the little container and eventually it started building a cocoon and the chrysalis and everything. And you know, the little boy watched and watched and watched and it didn't do anything. And eventually as it's in the chrysalis, it's literally started wiggling, wiggling. And it saw that it was struggling and he couldn't handle watching it struggle. So he took something and like helped cut open, you know, the little cocoon. And then eventually a butterfly emerged. He helped it out. But the problem was, is now the butterfly couldn't fly because it was only inside of the struggle of getting out of that situation that it developed the muscle to be able to fly. Right. So what if we, the struggles that we're actually in the middle of as it's us helping us develop the muscle so that eventually we, when we're on the other side, we can fly. Like you taking that year right now, look at you, you're flying. Right? So taking those baby steps is a critical piece. And like you said, like you do your goals, would you say 1, 2, 1 year, 2 year, 5 years and 10 years? Yeah, I do. 1, 3, 1, 3, 5 and 10. So it's the same. And, and again it's that like you said, it gets blurrier the farther it is. However, as you get closer, it will get clearer. Right? So it's be okay with feeling confronted, be okay and get comfortable with being uncomfortable. Because for me, like it's only inside of the being uncomfortable that that's where all this stuff came from. Like when my husband, you know, died, I mean the grief was horrific. However, I leaned into it and it was inside of leaning into it and literally being like taking a self analysis of what was going on, that that's what came out. The other side is literally my company and my non profits and the books and all the things that I'm doing, but I had to lean into the pain. Right? Like you had to lean into your pain, into being uncomfortable, into questioning your family, your religion, your beliefs, like all the things which are really, really powerful. So I want to give everybody permission, just like you and I gave ourselves permission to lean in and to explore what that is and watch what comes out the other side. Right.

The truth is, all we have is today, this is something that we teach in stoicism, is whatever happened in the past, it's in the past. And so if we're holding on to pain in the past, that's holding us back, we can't go back and change it. Whether it happened 10 years ago, 20 years ago, or if it just happened five minutes ago, we can't change what happened in the past. CS Lewis has a great quote. You can't go back and change the past, but you can start where you are and change the ending. Yeah, but even then.

Hold on. Say that again. That was beautiful.

You can't go back and change the past, but you can start where you are and change the ending.

That's genius.

And it's C.S. lewis. I wish I could take credit for it, but that's one of my favorite quotes. And even then, though, the future is never guaranteed. I mean, we never know what could happen. Like, we could. We could end up in a car accident or we could crash or something. Like, never know what's going to happen. And so all we really have is today. So what is it that I can be doing today? And what can I be doing, you know, to not just be driving towards that future, but to enjoy the drive as we're driving it.

Right. Enjoy the journey. Because the happiness isn't in the destination. It really is in the journey along the way, which is really extraordinary. And again, your journey is pretty magical, quite literally. So for people wanting to move forward, whether it's investing or in a career or, you know, anything like that, it's like what I hear from you, it's like granting yourself grace, no judgment, being open minded, asking brilliant what if questions, and keep asking what if? And bigger and bigger what if? Which. Actually, I wanted to share this with you because this triggered this when you just said, this is. I have this sitting in my office, and this is one of my favorites. I think you'll appreciate this. So it says. It's a. It's a little poem. It's My Wage by J.B. rittenhouse. It says, I bargained with life for a penny and life would pay no more. However I begged at evening, Then I counted my scanty store. For life is a just employer. He gives you what you ask, but once you have set the wages, why you must bear the task. I worked for a menial hire Only to learn dismay that any wage I had asked of life, life would have willingly paid. Like, that was so profound for me. I remember the first time I heard it. That was one of my mentors, Aaron Young actually read. He has memorized this and said it every, every, every time where he speaks, speaks, he says this. And it was so profound. Like, what if we asked for more, right? Like, what if we stopped asking for little because that's the family we were born into or culture, religion, whatever it is that has us think small. What if we played big, right? Like, I'm out to get the 120,000 adoptable children US foster care system adopted. Why? Because it matters. It saved my life. I was one of those kids, right? I adopted my twins out of the foster care system. I know the impact. Like, why not. Why not find homes for 120,000 of them? We can do this, right? So it's like, ask big things and play full out, and maybe it doesn't happen, but what if something just shy of that happened that was still miraculous? Like, why not? Like, why play small when you can play big is just as much energy and effort, right? So when it comes to building wealth, there is a lot of fear around the unknown because there's a lack of financial literacy inside of the school system, our culture, all of that. So inside of your beautiful magic, what would you say about that?

One of the things that we are taught in the education system is we're taught to punch a clock. We're taught the. That our hours are what's valuable. We come in, you know, we set hours, business hours. These are our work hours. These are where we learn. The entire system is set up to trade time for money. But you cannot. You cannot build. Most people. Let me rephrase that, because it's not an absolute. Most people cannot build reasonable wealth by trading time for money, right? And so the only way that you can really magically create wealth is by trading value. And so the question is, how do we make more value? How do we bring more value? I think it was Zig Ziglar who said, I'm going to butcher the quote. Something about you can get everything you want in life if you just help enough other people get everything that they want.

Yes, I love that.

Something along those lines. But it was Zig Ziglar who said that. And that's what I've built my entire career off of, is serving my audiences, serving my clients, and serving the companies with the keynotes. It's all about delivering value. I deliver through my. Through My digital clone. I deliver it. You know, even when people don't hire me, I still. I. I send them all of these resources to have amazing events because, you know, I just try to give as much value as possible. And, you know, even with my magic shows, a lot of magicians show up to be like, ha, I tricked you. Haha. Magic. And. And then the whole thing is they're trying to create this feeling of, like, whoa, how did he do that? But my entire show has been designed to pull them into the experience, to make it that I'm sharing this experience with them instead of fooling them. And so we do this. We do this specifically to create dopamine through storytelling and endorphins through laughter. And then I use storytelling at the end by creating that custom story to create oxytocin, because this makes sure that my audiences feel focused, they feel happy, they feel less stressed, and they feel more human and connected. And then with fundraisers, they feel more generous as well. There's other types of magic out there. The ones where you cut someone in half, the ones where you have a spike and you're slamming people's hands down on the spikes, and. And it's like there's danger and something bad could happen that creates cortisol. And I feel like that doesn't serve my audiences because it's a stress on them.

Right.

And so even. Even in the magic that I choose and the way that I structure my show, it's all shaped about serving others. And I feel like the more that you create this value and the more that you, you know, give, the more that you get. But at the same time, just like you said, you can't give without asking. You have to ask the world. Yep.

I love that so much. So we get to see you again on Thursday so people can come back and ask questions and stuff. And I would love if you can do the fork thing on Thursday and show everyone, because that is, hands down, the coolest thing ever.

I've got one right here. If we want to do it, you're.

Gonna do it for me. Oh, my gosh. Okay, everybody, this is crazy. Amaz. Amazing. Okay, watch this. This is so cool. Watch this.

So I realized when I was younger, I had this ability that I could bend metal with my. It was the wildest thing. I just take the fork, and I just feel it, and I can just give it a push.

Look at that. Crazy.

But what's wild is if I swing it like this.

That'S nuts.

You can actually see it just melt and past Now I'm actually going to straighten this back out. There we go. And then we're going to try something else. I'm going to bring it in nice and close so that you can see it. All I do is just focus. Now, this is solid feel from Sam's club.

This is nuts.

I could just put a nice twist in there. The fork, I mean, I don't know how it works. I just take it, give it a wave, snap my fingers. It goes crazy. I actually woke up after a bad dream one morning. My whole silverware drawer looked like this.

It's all twisted. Oh, my gosh.

What's strong is fork is really sturdy. Now, this is where I would have someone actually try and bend it, because it doesn't want to bend. Right. If I focus on it, it just becomes like putty. I can just take it and just wrap it up.

That is crazy. Oh, my God.

And then when I do this in person, I always give it to someone as a souvenir. And I say souvenirs are great because they help us remember special moments. So every time you look at this, don't just think about what I was able to do. I want you to remember how special you are and everything. Very difficult to.

Oh, I love that. Oh, my gosh. Okay. This is hands down the coolest thing. So, again, I think that people. I love what you do instead of your message and coming and being a keynote speaker for events, for company events, for corporate events, for all the events, for nonprofit fundraisers, things like that. How can people get a hold of you?

You can Visit my website, ShapirMagic.com or you can actually talk to my AI digital clone, which is just Daniel Schaefer. It's just my first and last name, AI. Either one of those works, or if you want to give me an email, it's daniela magic.com and my assistant will reach out and respond to you.

So you're going to be back on on Thursday so people can ask questions. We're going to talk more about this, and I know you gotta go, so thank you. This is amazing. You are one extraordinary human being. I always love our conversations.

Absolutely. Thanks so much for having me on.

Absolutely. We'll see you on Thursday, and good luck with your interview.

All right, thanks. We'll see you.

Bye. Bye.

Bye.