★ Christoffel Sneijders’ Secrets to Three Brains Intelligence 🧠💖

Want to step into the world of the rich and famous with the ultimate luxury lifestyle? Get a Royal subscription to Beverly Hills Magazine today. Visit beverlyhillsmagazine.com now. Hello and welcome to The World's Most Famous Podcast, brought to you by Beverly Hills Magazine. I'm your hostess, Jacqueline Madison. Today we have the privilege of featuring Christoffel Sneijders, an innovative multidisciplinary expert in human behavior and transformative change. Known for his ability to motivate, inspire, and challenge individuals to unlock their full potential. Christoffel brings a unique blend of passion, authenticity, and empathy to his work. With a versatile expertise in hypnosis, neurolinguistic programming, coaching, psychotherapy, and areas like burnout, PTSD, anxiety, trauma, grief, he has helped clients around the globe create the lives they aspire to. Join us as we explore Christoffel Sneijders' journey, insights, and impactful methods for lasting transformation. Let's welcome Christoffel Sneijders to the show. How are you, sir? Welcome to the show. It's such a pleasure to have you with me today.

Thank you, Jacqueline. I'm doing great, actually. I've just had a swim. So mind is okay. Body is okay. Seeing you is the joy of life. So I cannot be more happy.

Oh, I'm glad to hear it. Why don't we dive right in? Could you share your professional journey and what led you to develop what, what you have called the 3 Brains intelligence concept?

I would say I will make a long story short. So it's 27 years in, say, in 1 minute. So I started as a leadership trainer coach at the best and most seen company in Europe 27 years ago. So I started to work with people. And during my journey working with people, I became aware that people will like to change but are unable to change.

Right.

And then I learned NLP to help them, and that helps a lot, but still didn't work perfectly. I moved 14 years ago, emigrated 14 years ago to Australia in 2011, and I also became a therapist. And from that moment onwards, I saw people have more serious issues and not only from, hey, I don't like, uh, I don't like a colleague, but really sexual, physical, emotional abuse, PTSD, Alcoholism, and nobody likes to carry the luggage of 20 years with them. What happened 20 years ago? So they know what should change and didn't work. And even though I was a clinical hypnotherapist, psychotherapist, I came aware of it's not all. And I was always asking myself the question: What is now actually the subconscious mind? Because we say the conscious mind 10%, subconscious mind is in charge of everything. So Right. Teachers, I always ask my teachers, the teacher, what's the subconscious mind? And then you get something like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah story. Unconscious, underneath the water. Yeah. Where's it located?

Right.

Always. Yeah. I said, because if I look, science, there's no, there's no solution. And one moment, something like 8 years ago, following a lot of gurus, Somewhere I hit 2 things. Peter Levine, he's one of the best trauma therapists. I met Stephen Gilligan and also Robert Dilts there in hypnotherapy and NLP. And somewhere they all spoke about the little dots. And I thought, hey, if I combine those dots, I hear something like heart, gut, head, brain. We remember the body keeps the, keeps the stuff. So That moment, I saw a little light bulb coming up and I thought, it cannot be the case that I now invent something.

Wow.

Head brain, gut brain. So I started to, now, what do you do if you're not sure? You open the search panel, you go to Google and say, Google, help me out. Head, heart, gut brain. And Google didn't give a lot of, did not give a lot of answers. And when it gives an answer, there's a heart brain, there's a gut brain, I became aware of heart math. I became aware of Michael Gershon, who wrote the book The Second Brain. And all they confirmed, there are actually brains in our gut, 500 million brain cells, a heart brain, 100,000 brain cells, and of course the one we know in between our ears.

Mm-hmm.

And I thought, if we have those 3, it makes sense that we have reason. An octopus has 9, but every arm is then Operated by a separate brain. So our brains has to do something. Now from there, the journey came aware, and I came aware based on science, also based on neurotransmitters they release. Hey, the gut brain is all about immune and immune system, and 90% of our immune systems are gut. So it's self-preservation. What are the actions the neurotransmitters actually, when you release them in your body, do? Fight-flight response.

Wow.

The heart, the same heart releases also oxytocin, the bonding, and the head does everything. I thought, okay, so this makes sense. And when I started posting 7 years ago on YouTube things about it, then another NLP colleague, also Dutch, who also lived in Australia at the moment, said, Chris, there's a book written about this. I said, you must be kidding me. He said, no, it's Multiple Brains by— now Uh, Grant Zuluko. I said, wow, that's amazing. I looked it up. It was on that moment I was actually also busy with writing a book about it. Well, it has to be known. And I came over, hey, and he did a lot of research. So it just proved I was right. That's amazing. So when I was writing a book, I wanted to connect with him, but pitifully he got, uh, cancer and died before I could now talk to him.

Oh.

And in that time, actually, I was teaching twin flame therapy. I was Seeing clients for executive coaching, as I am, I saw clients for therapy, and I started just to integrate all the things I now say invented or thought were true. And it came nowhere. My clients solve their issues much, much, much, much quicker. Coaching clients is like, "Oh, Chris, now I have." And so from is it really? I was pinching myself. Is it really true that I found somewhere? an answer to a lot of our questions. And now actually it was true, I found an answer to a lot of our questions. And now that's somewhere the journey that I made and also why it came and why I'm so enthusiastic about it and why I wrote a book about it is because if you understand the concept, you become aware why we sometimes got stuck in the things we got stuck. If it's now relationships, if it's now working with people, if it's now, now Hey, do you know Olivia Newton-John, Jacqueline?

No.

Olivia Newton-John from the—

Oh, Olivia Newton-John, yes.

John Travolta, you know, in the movie Grease.

Yes.

Now, now I'm actually disguising my age a little bit because I saw that movie when I was young.

I saw the movie too, loved it.

But Olivia Newton-John is singing, my heart says yes, my head says no, when she sings about Oh, right.

I remember that.

And that makes so much sense because how many times, Jacqueline, did you not have something like, you know, my gut feeling says yes, but I don't think it's good, or the other way around, or say, no, why don't I just follow my heart? And that actually is—

It's so true. Many times the gut is saying one thing, but your thinking rational mind is saying another. So, so how How can someone bring these 3 into alignment to make in their decision-making process? And what happens if they become out of alignment like we're talking about?

So 2 beautiful questions and extremely important. So how do you bring them in? Now, step 1 is, of course, actually accepting you have 3 brains and they have 3 different responsibilities, all to do the best for you. But different strategies. I always say your gut is the egocentric me, myself, and I brain that likes to win. It likes to succeed. It likes to survive. It likes to cheat. It likes to get power. It likes to control. It is the Olympic medal winner. And it is actually the horrible colleague who puts an elbow in your face when, when it talks about promotion.

Okay.

But it is an amazing brain. And that's what it wants you to do. It wants you to win for yourself. Your heart is all about bonding. It is about pleasing somebody else, staying connected, say yes when you actually like to say no, listen to your other body. And your head just thinks, let's put it in logical frames here. What's the pros? What's the con? What's the effect of it? Let's do a cause and effect analysis. And based on that, now what is the most logical choice? Now, if you listen to those 3, then you come over here. If You listen to one of them, it gives a totally kind of direction if you listen to the other.

Yeah.

The first step is, why? I have 3 different brains, they have 3 different kinds of strategies to keep me happy, to make life amazing for me. So what are they actually saying? So it's really start coming over here. Say I would follow my gut feeling, what would I do? Okay. A, say I would just follow my heart, what would I do? Oh, B, say just think it through for 10 minutes, what will I do? Oh wow, that's C. Okay. Wow. There are 3 solutions. Let's somewhere look at them, shake them up and see what comes out of it.

Right.

So getting actually a few, that's step one. Yeah. What happens if you only follow one? Your second question is actually that we regret our decisions. I don't know how it's with you. Sometimes I'm famous for following my heart. And so I immigrated to Australia with my ex-partner. I immigrated to Spain because I have a new partner in Spain.

And you're following your heart, right?

I'm following my heart. Yes. So logically would say, so you skipped all your business and you closed your business in the Netherlands to start up again by yourself in Australia. Yes. And then you finally said everything arranged, you closed that, helped by COVID, and you moved to Spain to start up in a country where you actually don't speak the language of. Okay. My head would have said, don't do this. This is too much work, Chris. There are 4 billion women on this earth. You will find another one. You don't need to go to Spain for that.

Oh, that's hilarious.

So, but I did not. I don't regret my decision, but those kind of things you could get if you listen to one. And how many people did not say, oh shoot, I should have listened to my gut feeling. I just should have waited half an hour before I sent that email.

You hear that a lot. Should have listened to my gut.

Yeah, should have listened to my heart. And that's what happens, that people regret it because they don't use their 3, in my case, wisdom centers, what I like to say. I like that. It's the same if, say, you go with— you go out with 2 friends and say, where are we going to have dinner? And one is directing the show, we go to the pizzeria, and you don't listen to the other 2. There's a huge chance the other 2 don't like pizza. And yet somewhere, yes, no, and don't like it. And if the pizza is not good, somebody says, I really thought we should not go to the pizzeria. We should have gone to the Chinese. Why didn't you say so? Because you were screaming so loud.

Right.

Now that happens. And what you see, and when you take it one step further into relationships, relationships, personal or business, what happens if you talk from one brain? Now, if you talk from your gut, you say, Jacqueline, I like to have the show now. I'm going to talk. Just please listen to me. I've got beautiful things to say. gut brain talks. If you're a beautiful heart brain, you say, okay, I let them talk. And then at the end, I just delete this podcast. Yeah, everybody makes mistakes.

No.

But it could mess up in personal relationships. You see the same, that one is dominating sometimes, the other doesn't connect. As an example, my partner is more head brain dominant. She has a beautiful heart, but so I say a lot of times, like today, Why don't you come with me? We go have a beautiful coffee, say down the street. We take a little bite to sit. That's okay. And he says, uh, let me think about it because I was just doing an email and I, I see I have to do this and I have to do that. Now I learned not to say, oh wow, you don't like to go out with me?

Yeah.

I just invite you for a nice coffee and bite. Now I know a head brain likes to think about what is happening now. How does it fit in the structure? Heart brain is totally spontaneous. So, and she knows the other way also around. So if you don't do it in relationships, then you have a discussion. And in the old days, I could say, oh, wow, so you don't like to go out with me? I put a little bit of guilt in there. I've got a Jewish mom. And so I learned how to play the guilt game. And it only creates a fight. So, right, the things that happen when you're not aligned in them or you don't listen to each other.

I see. So some people are more gut dominant, brain dominant, heart dominant. So it's important for us to know which is more dominant in us. And then in our major life decision-making process, you suggest that we need to sort of look at each 3 wisdom centers and determine what they're telling us. But then how do we ultimately reconcile them to make the right decision? Or how do we know which one is the right decision? I think that's the million-dollar question, right?

Absolutely, million-dollar question. There's one thing, of course, there's a right decision and there is the right outcome. Like we cannot predict the outcome. What you can predict is, now, a totally different example. This weekend there were, say, ice skating races and I'm Dutch from origin. So we love ice skating and somewhere I was watching, say, it and there's a Dutch guy in the 1000 meters and he's Young and rather good. There's an American who's better. So the objective was now see if he could beat the American guy. He lost on 3 hundredths of a second. So the American became number 1, that guy number 2, 3 hundredths of a second. When I saw his interview, he said, I'm extremely happy. Normal people could say, why are you happy? You became number 2. It was 3 hundredths of a second. Come on, just one Breathe more or less and you would have got it. And he said, you know, I did everything what I had in my capacities to do this race. I was totally focused. My body was working with me and I did everything the best I could. I could not have done anything better. Now, that's the best decision you can make. So if you listen to all your 3 brains, and even if they have a different kind of answer, and somewhere you reconcile them, okay, ABC, let's think it through. What does my heart need to say yes? What does my gut need to say yes? What does my head need to say yes? How can I find somewhere a common ground? Right? To actually have an internal discussion with yourself. You have the common ground, then you have, then you use the best capacities you have.

Yeah.

And in that moment, you're happy with your decision. even though maybe the result is not getting number 1, but then you can live with being number 2 because you put all your best in it.

Yeah, I love that. That makes perfect sense. So if I can assess all 3 wisdom centers and the different wisdom they're giving me and then apply myself wholeheartedly, then I can know that I made the right decision.

And decision based on your best capacities.

On my best capacities.

And of course, next week, if we did something, then maybe we know better and think, oh wow, okay. Then you can do things, you can say 2 things. Oh wow, I should have known better. Or you could say, hey, I learned something. And if you say, oh, I should have known better, then most times you don't learn because you're just pushing it away and just angry at yourself. If you say, hey, I learned something, then next time you do it even better.

Ah, so it's important that we reflect. We have to have, we have to be self-aware. Otherwise, we're just gonna be led by our dominant brain, right?

Yeah. So judging about the things you did doesn't make sense because actually, if you judge, you stop learning. Because if you judge, most times you start blaming. Now, if you're blaming, nobody gets better from blaming.

That's true.

If you think when we were young, Jacqueline, And, and we were babies then and we had to learn to walk. How many times do you think we fell on our little diaper before we could stand?

Yeah, that's so true, huh? We learn by trying. We learn by making mistakes.

Absolutely. Research shows we fell down 1,000 times on average. Now there is no baby who says, oh wow, that is really stupid of me. I fell down now 5 times maybe. You should say to a mom, mom, I will never learn to walk. I did it 500 times. Probably I'm just useless. No, mom, dad says, wow, you're amazing. You did it again. You spent 1 second longer. Amazing. Good. That's such a good point.

You're right. We need to encourage ourselves.

Encourage yourself and learn something from it.

Uh-huh. So, well, what I wanted to learn more also about, you have a 3 brains coach certification training program where you actually impart this knowledge to people who want to become coaches themselves. Tell me more about the certification training program and its objectives.

What you say is absolutely true. So the intention is that people who are professional coaches or use coaching in their business life, as I will say, every leader, every manager, please join because there's too much toxic leadership. So I teach people actually now what you just said a little bit about the science that is true. So you don't have something like, yeah, you say it, but it isn't, it isn't a theoretical concept. And from there we start teaching actually to listen to their own brains, to really connect with their own brains, start listening to their own voices. And I'm now running the training. It's so beautiful. I have 9 people in the training and there was one, there was one person. Yeah, I like the concept, but I don't think my brains really talk so loud. And now we did an exercise and the person was like, what happened there? Because we asked also, choose an objective, what you like to achieve. And now see if your 3 brains support it. And he did it and he said, my gut doesn't agree.

Wow.

And he made his eyes like this. My gut doesn't agree. I said that, And if there's stuttering, okay, then I know, then I know why, why, why it doesn't happen. Because I always think, why do I, why do I actually block myself? Why am I sabotaging myself? He said, but God doesn't agree. And from that insight, it made a massive change. So I learned how to learn it and then how to coach people on it. And it's a normal conversation because what's the beauty? Everything comes, every word comes through our mouth. So our head needs to verbalize all our sensations.

Yeah.

And the moment we verbalize our sensations, it puts words on it that actually connect with the heart or the gut or with the head. So as an example, I cannot digest this, Jacqueline. Gut is talking. You know, I cannot wrap my heart around this. This will hurt people. Heart is talking. I don't understand this concept. You say A, but it means B. And I get, no, Head is talking. So I learn people to start listening to people, which brain is talking that is connected with the topic. Because if you know which brain is talking, you know actually what kind of wisdom centers they use to make a decision. But you also hear maybe which brain is not talking. And so, you know, if that brain is not part of a discussion and sooner or later it'll say, you said pizza, but I still like to have the Chinese in that example and will somewhere stop. And also if you then like to convince people to do ABC or find a solution, It helps do that. So we coach people how to digest, but then also how to coach people that that person can actually access their 3 brains and can start seeing actually, hey, I have 3 answers or 2 answers. This is happening. This is blocking me. What should I do to overcome it? And that moment you create happiness and that is beautiful. And say, I have sometimes leaders in my training And they always say, Chris, this is so freaking amazing. I should have learned this earlier. Now I know why one of my employees is not willing to do so, not because he's not willing, but I explained to him logically and he is just one big passionate, uh, uh, huggy bear. So I need other words to make him, to make him feel it instead of understand it. Because always ask, do you understand it? And he says, yeah, but in a way that I don't believe in. But I shouldn't ask, do you understand? I say, did you get a feeling about it? And then the world changes.

Yeah.

So, and coaches, now I don't have to say more. They work with all those people. So they learn, and in my words, the best techniques that are really out there to help people to change.

Yes.

As you maybe know, I'm a clinical hypnotherapist, psychotherapist, constellations. I'm an NLP master. I'm a Reiki master.

Yeah. Well, and that this aligns with my next, my next question, which is how do these assist with other issues, trauma, anxiety, stress, depression, et cetera?

Perfectly. As an example, before our call, I spoke with a woman who had something like, you know, something triggers me and then my heart turns off. And I just like to, I like to withdraw. I, I, I, I, I, I come in fights and whatever. It's always with the people I love. What happened? Her dad passed away when she was 16. She moved one year later from Germany to the US, really escaped everything. But in the meantime, she was living with her auntie who passed away. The other auntie she was living with, uh, got cancer. So she learned actually to close off her heart.

Wow.

Because she was afraid actually to love somebody. Because they would, they would go away.

Wow.

So when she's in discussion with somebody who is close to her, instead of doing something, she said, okay, I run away before, otherwise it hurts too much. So trauma experience, it was just a coaching session because she will sign up actually for a coaching training, in the coaching training with me. And at the end of the session, she said, Chris, this was a beautiful, extremely powerful insight and change I have.

Yeah, that is life-changing.

And I asked, how are you now with the topic? She says, no, it makes so much sense what you said. I feel totally different. So I know now how to respond and it feels totally different. And that was one, one-hour coaching session. And I was sitting there thinking, and I almost asked her, I asked in a gentle way, are you just saying this to please me or is it really true? I said it in a more gentle way, right?

Oh wow.

So ask, how do you know what you just said is really true and it's not just your first response? He says, no, you know, because it's really this because I feel it. I said, and how's it when you feel it? He said, no, it feels warm. And when I think about the people I make the fights with, it feels different for me there. And we were sitting like this, okay, tick the box. So it helps amazingly also in that. And, and one thing why it's so beautiful, um, I said it quickly, the head is actually the only part in our body that knows tomorrow and yesterday.

Hmm.

So it knows what happened yesterday. The heart and our gut are just like our beautiful dog, our beautiful cat, or whatever kind of animal you call. They only live in, they always live in the present. Hence why post-traumatic stress syndrome can still be alive because in the head it turns off actually The awareness of time and the heart and the gut thinks, oh, I'm still in Iraq. I'm still that firefighter who just pulled out a little child of a burning car. Whatever. The moment the heart and the gut come aware it's past, I don't need this emotion anymore. It really drops it like, like, like it's the, the pest. It's really amazing. And it just poof, it swaps. Because if it's not useful, why do you keep it? And it just falls out of the bandwagon. And then the memory just becomes a memory without the emotion connected. And that is— and I'm always really, I'm always stupefied that it works. I was like, let me pinch myself, it works.

Right. But also, so what exercise should somebody do to do that, to release the trauma, Uh, of the experience from their heart and their gut brain.

I would love to explain to you. I would say there are now 260 people who train this way. So connect with them. You can find them. That's easier. You need somebody else somewhere to help you because I know it by myself. Um, it's really hard to do an operation on yourself because you're not objective. You like to change something while you are yourself. That makes it hard. What helps amazingly, if you really say are in a partly meditational state, but not so deep meditation that you're just zoned out, but somewhere in that twilight zone, and you can really connect with your heart and gut and really start coming aware, hey, when did I learn it?

Ah.

What was the benefit of learning it? How is it still helping me now? And actually—

Or hurting you, right?

Or hurting you. And is it still useful now? Why do I still keep it alive? And by having that said, there are more logical questions. Bring it in there and say, okay, so if it's not needed anymore now, then a lot of times there's a question, from whom or for whom did I learn this? Now she learned it, an example, for herself, for self-protection.

Right.

But other people now learn all the things, have to sit straight, to, to put that— what happens to a lot of people when they're a child, a lot of times also with elderly children or with females, particularly, they have to be the sweet one. They have to take care of the little siblings. Yeah, they have to put away their own needs based on the needs for their siblings or for their parents. If that doesn't change when we're puber or living by themselves, we always become little pleasers.

Uh-huh, right.

You actually need a coping mechanism to please, to stay connected with your parents. And it is a totally great coping mechanism when you're 5 years old.

Yes.

But when you are 30 or 40, it doesn't help anymore to please everybody and have a disruptive relationship because you please your partner too much.

Yeah.

But you've been installed in the solutionist, actually, and we can call it an inner child kind of experience. That's how the therapy calls it. And learn the inner child in the communication to say the elder where they learned it from— mommy, daddy, uncle, sibling— it's not needed anymore. To actually get permission to let it go. And if that happens, it really starts happening.

And that's why, yeah, it seems like awareness is a key because once you become aware of it and acknowledge that it's not useful or serving your growth anymore, you can consciously— now we're operating in the conscious space— you can release it.

Yeah. The thing is, if you release it consciously, it's more a head-brain thing. It needs a heart-brain or gut-brain release. And that needs the PD order. That needs more, say, a meditational slash almost hypnotic state. So then the critical head is out of the way. The moment our head keeps on thinking, yeah, but It will not happen. That's why it's hard. That's why you sometimes need somebody to help you to be in that state and have the discussion with yourself without your critical mind steps in and says, yeah, no.

Oh, I see. So like a guided type of meditation. And this is what you do?

Well, that's what I do. What, what I did with the lady and not, not putting in hypnotic state, but more in a relaxed state where she could really let go of the critical mind.

Yeah.

be open for now looking at it from a different way, but say in my words, really opening your heart or really opening our gut.

Yeah.

In a way that they are willing to listen. Because you can say to your heart, hey, by the way, did it ever happen to you, Jacqueline, that you were falling for the wrong boy, the bad boy?

Yes, of course.

Of course. And didn't your parents or maybe yourself say, this is not smart to fall for that guy?

Yeah, absolutely. So the head knows, but the heart is saying something else.

Even if you say here, it's not needed anymore, your heart says, yeah, but he has a nice toshi, he has a nice motorbike. Or in my case, oh wow, she has beautiful makeup. Oh, she's a bit— she looks so good. She walks so gentle on her high heels. Right. Your head says, signal, red flag, red flag, red flag, red flag. I know better.

Exactly.

So we need, say, somewhere the opening of the heart that is willing to listen. So in a lot of cases, you need somebody else to help you in that part.

So have you written a book? How can people learn more about this from you? And where can they get the book?

2 good questions. Now, if they like to know more from me, it's, it's very easy. Type in 3 Brains Intelligence on Google. You find my website, you find me, and you can just text me, call me, or whatever.

Okay.

You can also do a free 3 Brains test on it. And it's a small test. It's totally free. No charges, no strings attached. And you can come away, hey, which of my brains is actually dominant in my decision-making? That's, I always say that's fun. It's in 16 languages. So it's impossible not to find the language you can use. And the other one, I wrote a book, Relationships: Which Brain Is Talking? You can find it on Amazon, Apple Books, Barnes Noble, Noble Barnes. I'm always lost which was first, which is second.

Barnes comes first.

Yeah, Barnes Noble. You'll find them all there. And it describes more personal relationships because we all have personal relationships. But it gives you beautiful insight. Hey, our 3 brains, how do they work? And the little examples we just shared. are more in detail there. And also, hey, what do you do actually when you talk to a dominant head brain person? What do you do when you talk to a dominant heart brain person? What do you do when you talk to a more dominant head brain person? What are actually the things you should avoid and what are the things they need to make that connection? So give you something like an easy guide. Okay, this is how it works. And for everybody out there who's, say, in the dating mode, or thinks, is my partner the right one? There's one question that is almost the most important question to ask the first time. And it is, dear Jacqueline, when is the last time you said sorry?

Oh.

Because say you would say, and that's not you, you would say, sorry, Chris, why would I say sorry? I'm always right. Then on that moment, say, Jacqueline, let me pay you your wine or your coffee you had, and I wish you a beautiful life. I'm leaving.

Right.

Because if the person cannot say sorry, it means he's a gut-brain dominant person. A gut-brain dominant person is amazing to have next to you when you're in a fight, right? He or she will destroy the other, and because they like to win. But in a relationship, it means it's all about them. So they use the sentence, enough about me, why don't you talk about me, Jacqueline? Wow.

So, yeah, so you know how there's this 5 love languages? These 3 brain intelligence centers are also key to compatibility in relationships and understanding that about yourself and about whoever you're dealing with in a personal relationship, a marriage, or in business.

Absolutely. When you talk about the 5 languages, one is Act of service. And a lot of act of service is heart brain dominant because we like to please. So if you look at the 5 languages, you come away, hey, wow, almost which brain is talking in there? So they're really intertwined. I love to say, I love the book, The 5 Love Languages. But when I read the book, I think, yeah, so hey, that brain is talking, that brain is talking, that brain is talking. Oh, it makes totally sense. But they use those 3 brains actually To show our effectiveness to somebody else. That makes sense, right? What logical things is, um, you get the, the, the, you have a problem, I will solve it for you. Let me think about the check. That's actually the head brain love language. The gut brain is, okay, I will protect you. I will do your stuff. Let me do that for you. Hey, okay. That's the gut brain takes over for you. The heart brain just likes, hey, how can I help you? So there are little things in there that just make so much sense. So they are beautifully intertwined in that part. So if you like, if you like to read 2 books, read them both. You write it like, oh, wow.

So are there, are, are there now any recent studies or developments in the 3 brains intelligence that, that you find particularly exciting?

In the 3 brains intelligence, and that frustrates me a little bit, it's not, it's not in the intertwinedness because the person who wrote about it, researched about it, now passed away 5 years ago, 6 years ago, 5 years ago, 6 years ago. He had a training company, has a training company, had a training company. Um, the people in there are beautiful people, but they are not developers. So that, that stays with it still. I'm the one now who loves to develop and likes to create. So I'm in researching. You see a lot of research in heart-brain, by example, HeartMath, and some gurus talk about it. You see a lot of also research in gut-brain because it's, they come over here about the autoimmune system, that's located in the gut brain, the microbes that live there. So they, there are independent massive research, but the connection is still not there. You can see in some books they say we have a heart brain and a gut brain, but there it stops somewhere. And that I find it a pity because the moment, you know, you can see what's happening. So I'm, I'm still say almost that part, say the, the lonely rider in the, in, in the desert. So If somebody is out there listening to Jacqueline and says, it makes sense what Chris is saying, but I'd love to know more about it. Let me help you. Please connect because, say, I love that this goes out because it— and then comes my deeper passion. I like to be that little drop in the ocean that makes this world a better place. Not toxic leadership, no bullying anymore. The world is big enough for all of us. And I know the moment we know we have 3 brains and we start really acknowledging that you cannot be only gut brain anymore, you cannot be only heart brain anymore, you cannot be only head brain anymore. Because, you know, actually I'm only listening to one of my brains. Sometimes it makes sense, not in general. So the nastiness of the gut brain disappears partly out of this world. Or maybe for a big thing out of this world, I'm being an optimist. So that will just make the world better. So in that part, I would say join to make this world a better place, people out there who listen to Jacqueline, and join us and help us, me, us, you, to make this world a better place and start spreading the word.

Yes, absolutely. Because I think we're all here to grow, you know, and when with this type of knowledge and understanding about ourselves, we can bring all 3 brain centers into awareness. And then into alignment so we can all start making better decisions in our lives, the right decisions, right? So that we will have less negative consequences and more positive results from the right decision-making. It's very important.

Absolutely. And that is, say, if you look at now at this world, basically, say, for self-defense, maybe it makes sense to hit somebody or do something even worse. But to do it actively without a cause doesn't make sense. But for me, it's always staggering that toxic leadership in companies is a normal word, that politics in a company is a normal word.

Right.

Politics is gut-brain driven. It doesn't make sense because actually it costs the company money, it costs productivity, and it creates disengagement and burnouts and all this kind of stuff. It doesn't make sense to me. The moment we have 3 brains, that partly or mostly disappears because people become aware, oh well, yes, I was mainly listening to my gut brain. If I've been in my heart and there, hey, I do something else. I make other decisions. Hey, you're muted, Jacqueline.

Sorry about that.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I agree with you. And I think it's fascinating. And so I just want to encourage our guests to visit your website at 3brainsintelligence.com. Get the book. I love the book. I want to read read the book because I think it's excellent wisdom to apply to personal and business relationships. And it's been an honor to spend some time with you today. Thank you so much for coming on and for sharing your wisdom. And if there's anything else you want to say to, you know, part from our guests, please do.

I would say do the Free Brain Test, see what you're doing, ask your partner to do it, ask your colleagues to do it, and the world becomes better and you have more success. So, Jacqueline, thank you, thank you, thanks so much for being Your guest. A big honor.

Such an honor. Lots of love to you and thank you for this. And I'm going to be more conscious and aware of my 3 brain centers and apply this to my life. I appreciate you and God bless you.

One little gift before we break out. If you ever like to be coached by me, the first coaching or the coaching is on my cost. So it's a gift for you.

Oh, that's amazing.

I believe we have to give each other. You give me time to be here. I'd like to give you something from my knowledge. You give me your passion. I give you my passion.

That's right. And I'm a Christian, and Jesus taught us that it's more blessed to give than to receive.

Absolutely. And for me, I'm not Christian, but I believe the same. Perfect.