Unveiling the Power Within: A Journey of Self-Discovery and Transformation | Ep654

Successful Minds with Patricia Barnowski Schneider, the show that takes you around the world to share interviews with some of the most successful and relevant people on the planet. Hear their stories and get the most important business lessons they have learned on their road to success and get exclusive advice on how to implement their success into your life and business.

Successful Minds with Patricia Barnowski Schneider is brought to you by the Strategic Advisor Board and your host, Patricia Barnowski Schneider. Hello and welcome back to Successful Minds. I'm your host, Patty Baranowski Schneider. Today I'm joined by Christoffel Sneijders, a passionate professional dedicated to transforming lives. So he has lots going on, but I'll leave him— leave it to him to tell you more. So thank you for joining us, Christoffel. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Thank you so much. And almost say the same last name as me.

Close enough.

Close enough, probably Germany, Holland, somewhere in the old days back. So who am I? Yeah, it's a beautiful question because it is from, am I my work? Am I my personal life? Am I my hobbies? Am I, say, my passion? I would say now probably I'm the most my passion. So I'm a passionate person about actually life and bring actually happiness, joy, wellness to the world. And also success and achievements. My slogan in my company, and it's always passion and performance. Follow your heart, but don't leave, don't get your eye off the box or the achievement.

Oh, that's perfect.

Yeah, it needs both. And I think that's who I am and what I like to achieve with people and everybody. Say what I do, of course, now that you all know, coaching, etc., etc., etc. But the thirst for life and I would say we live now with 8 billion people in this world. I saw recently we ticked that mark. Uh, less than 1 billion is somewhere having a good life and can have every day 3 times a meal. And it would be amazing if somewhere I could be a little drop in the ocean to help that the other 7 billion also somewhere have a life they can be a little bit better with.

Right. Good job. I guess let's just start with this. Can you explain the concept of the Mars/Venus fallacy and how it affects individuals in their pursuit of success?

Oh yes, I'm going to sit straight up for that. Talk about equality. You're female, I'm a male. We see everywhere equality and gender bias and the whole—

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There's an amazing book written 30, 40 years ago, Men Venus, Men from Mars. And although the concept was great, it right away helped us to divide even more because men and females are different. We like to go into our cage. You women like to talk.

Yeah.

We men had an excuse actually not to talk to you anymore. And you females had something like a reason why we somewhere would go into our cage and you could go out with your girls. And it did not help us at all. And if you look at the biology, biology, biology, It's totally not true. What I came aware in the last seven years: we have three brains—one in our head, one in our heart, one in our gut. Scientifically proven. We'll not go there now in this moment, but Google it. Scientifically proven. And we all have them. You have them, Patricia. I have them. The person in Sahel has them. The person in Indonesia has it. The person—the Eskimo has it. Even Trump and Biden has it. They have both. It doesn't mean we all use them. And that's where it's happening. We as male and female are actually in a lot of societies socialized. Now you're wearing pink, I'm wearing blue. We could not be more now typical.

Yes.

In that part, almost in a gender bias. Females have to be sweet, caring, understanding, supporting. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. There's female traits we call them even. I mean male traits. This strong, decisive, burping, farting, being strong and hunting out there, and being the CEO, being the boss. And actually, that's totally beep because when you look at it from biology reasons, your gut brain is actually everything that describes those male traits. heart brain is actually what everything describes the female traits. So actually what we all have been doing is male training and socializing their gut, and for females we socialize their heart. And of course, if you do that really amazingly— and also society helps us a little bit in that part— and you look then when we are adults like now and you look at our behaviors, you would say, oh yes, if you look at Patricia, she really exclaims females. Probably that's because she's a female. Hey, Chris really acts like a male, must be male traits. But that's not true. We are socialized like that.

Mm-hmm.

But we both were still a little beautiful baby as we were. And probably you could not see unless we had maybe something pinky blues on, if I was a boy or a girl, or you a boy or a girl based on our traits, based on how we would behave. Yeah. Maybe if you look at the looks and the length of the hair, If kids are 6 months old, based on their behavior, you don't see a difference. Even 1 year old, not. Only the moment mommy and daddy putting on their pinky shirts, putting holes in their ears for girls, and for boys, they buy the first, the first car or a little whatever things, we start educating them.

Right.

So that's the whole fallacy, actually, what it might be. a big hoax and not true. And as long as we believe that you're from Venus and I'm from Mars, we keep it alive. The moment you say, hey, actually you trained your heart brain so much that you are who you are. Hey, you trained your gut brain so hard that you are who you are. How would it be if you train your 3 brains? And on that moment, we could still do our own strengths, but there would not be a massive difference anymore. That's the whole concept behind it in, say, a 3-minute synopsis.

Interesting though, because it is true. I mean, we are, what is it, the product of our circumstances. It's how we were brought up, you know, some people, and you carry that through your entire life because it's all you know, you know, because you're a baby, you learn to walk, you learn to talk, you learn to do everything, you learn everything your parents teach you. And that goes on and on and on.

It is. And the beauty of that is when you think about it, And we don't have to educate everybody the same and make us all non-binary. That's not what I'm advocating for. It's much better to train your 3 brains that you connect with them. Because we have biologically, of course, a difference between men and females. Their reproductive system is different. Hence, we make a little bit more testosterone. You make a little bit more estrogen, but we make them both. We make both hormones. So it's not, hey, I don't make them as a male, hey, you don't make them as a female. We make them both. So there will be a difference. Females will still become mama, and we are still the donor of the little one.

Right.

But the behaviors on top of that don't have to be so massive differences.

Yeah.

They could be a little bit different, but it doesn't have to be so much. And you see that, say, when you look at sports, and when you look at Venus Williams in tennis, or now the The ladies of soccer in the States now, okay, they went a little bit less than the last 10 years.

Yeah.

But you see a beautiful, in my words, gut-brain behavior, and that's the winning attitude. The gut-brain likes to win.

Yeah.

And the gut-brain does everything to win. Now, if you saw your ladies playing soccer, they did everything to win.

Right.

And they didn't win. Of course, it can happen, but that's really gut-brain behavior. And there are females If they would do only female traits, they would say they would kick the ball, say, ow, I hurt my toe. What happened here?

Broken nail. Yeah.

Oh, Chris, where's the nail polish? No, I just hit somebody, gave somebody an elbow, and it all happens. Yeah. So because they were allowed, or are allowed, to use also the gut brain.

Very nice. Now, how can individuals break through their own biases regarding feminine and masculine traits to embrace their authentic selves?

I would say it is easy and not easy in the same moment. When I sometimes I'm in a workshop and I have, say, 100 people there, and this is one of my standard jokes, I ask all the females, hey, dear females, please raise your hand if you'd like to have masculine traits, if you'd like to have more masculine traits. Now you can imagine that almost everybody sits there and looks at me, okay, this will be a long talk we're going to have. Then I asked the guys, hey guys, raise your hand if you like to have more female traits. Maybe one guy wants to raise his hand, then he sees his mate and says, come on, put them down again.

Yeah.

But the moment I asked them, hey ladies, who likes to have a little more gut brain traits? That means a little bit more decisiveness, a little bit more winning, a little bit more put your foot down, saying no, setting your own boundaries. Almost all the women raised their hand. Some of their husbands looked Oh shit, but they all raise their hand. I say to the guys, hey guys, a question, raise your hand if you like to have, say, a bit more heartburn traits. That means a little bit more caring, a little bit better listening, a bit more teamwork, a little bit more, say, taking the whole community there. And they say, yeah, like that. And even then the mates, yeah, yeah, my wife would like that also if I do this. And you see all the hands rising. Why this little metaphor with a stalk? The moment we change the wording of feminine and masculine traits and, hey, you know, I'm going to train my heart brain, my gut brain, it almost drops out right away. Because if I ask, say, the average gut brain person, strong, decisive, I'm the boss, or I'm the lady boss, whatever they like to call themselves, and say, could you explain something, dear leader? Yeah. Okay. Say you had two muscles, a bicep and a tricep. Would it make sense to train only one? No, this is a stupid question, Chris. I know. So say you had three brains. Then would it make sense to only train one or two? And I said, "Be aware of your stupid answer then." And he said, "No, I actually should train all three of them." Yes. And then why do we come here? Oh shit! I'm digging my own grave. This will be a hard process. And right away they say yes. So it's easy to do by changing it. People are willing to do so because the moment they come away, hey, I have 3 wisdom centers in my body. Actually in my life, I only use 1 or 2. And then you say, hey, but you like to be successful, isn't it? So how can you be now optimal successful if you only use 1 or 2 of your wisdom centers? It's like being in your car and only two and only two of your engines work instead of all four of them. Would it make sense? No, no, no. And they're willing to change. And so it's actually relabeling as the natural process. And then for most people it becomes easier. I say it becomes easier because there's still the surroundings that say, what are you doing there? But for most people it becomes much easier. Even those hard, tough, gut-brain dominant people will first say, ooh, no. That sounds like, uh, tell me more, Chris, because maybe, uh, my partner or maybe some team members would like that I do this. I did not— still not talking about them. Social vulnerabilities for gut-brain person, really hard. But the moment they start working and they come back, you know, my partner or my team actually really appreciates what I'm doing, Chris. And then they're almost swapped over. Sometimes they ask me during the process, Chris, I don't become a softie after this, right? I said, no, no, you'll be an extreme toughie, but maybe there's a little bit more softer, um, inside.

Yeah.

Oh, that's not so bad. No, because, you know, you can choose whatever you want, just like a toolbox. But if you have a hammer and a screwdriver, you don't— you're not are the screwdriver, you have them both. You can use, right? That's the whole thing, how you can play with it.

Yeah, it's, it's pretty much how we were raised. It's kind of like, you know, women are supposed to be in the kitchen and cooking and blah blah blah. Well, to be honest, I suck at cooking, might be, you know, but you know, if you have a man who's like phenomenal, it's almost like, well, he's weird. Why is he weird? It's just how we were, we were brought up and raised. Like, women stay home, women make babies, women cook, women clean, men go out to work. That's not the world we live in anymore. And people, you know, it's a shame because we were just programmed that way, and that's how people think and feel. And it's— they have to break out of that because that's— and that might not even make them happy. Maybe you look at how many chefs are out there, that's their passion, you know.

Yep.

But you— but if they were brought up thinking men have to go out there and play football and do this, and don't you dare step foot in the kitchen— why not? I mean, it doesn't make you less of a man because you could cook. I mean, you know.

No, no, no, you're sort of right. We have a lot of jobs that somewhere— in the old days, if you would do female soccer, and then you wouldn't— you were not a female, probably you would be gay. Maybe some are, but—

Yeah, that's how they were raised.

It is in female soccer that they're a little bit more open about it. In male soccer, we still don't dare to open out. There's only a small percentage, like in the rest of the world. But the moment they were allowed to do it and became acceptable, you see massive amount of females doing it. And actually, we men and everybody likes it.

It's a good one to break the ice. Yeah.

But it's the same as tennis. So the moment we take off, say, that bias we have on you should be this. But having said that, and that's why change is so hard, what I made as a joke.

Right.

Our gut brain is the most primitive part in us, already 500 million years old. Every living creature on this world, what do we have in common? I ask you, what do we have in common with everything, with all the living creatures on this world? What do we have in common? A digestive system. Every living creature has a digestive system, even a one-cell organism. What we don't have in common is a heart or a head. And so from the day life came to this earth, digestive system had to survive.

And it is extremely primitive.

I eat or I get eaten. I win or I lose. Now that is the same if you listen to your gut. I win or I lose. You have winners and losers. What is now the downside of that amazing system? It's an amazing system. What's the downside of it? It does not dare to be vulnerable. Because if I say, you know, I don't know, Patricia, I don't know how to do that, then actually I put my success in your hands. And for a gut-brain dominant person, that's the most scariest thing they can do. That's even scarier than what you did, skydiving.

Right.

Out of 10 skydives, the one time I say I'm sorry or I don't know, because that would make them, that would make them less Right. So in change, where we educated so much gut brain people, say go to the average university, you have to be summa cum laude, you have to be number one, you have to get that grade, otherwise you don't succeed. That is a really winner's mentality. So for those people, it's extremely hard to swap to the other side because they never heard of it. They're educated, if you say I'm sorry or I don't know, you're a loser. Before you know it, Patricia has gone through the roof.

Oh dear.

Do you like it? So change worldwide seen or in companies will be harder because we have slowly to educate and help those gut-brain dominant people that it is allowed to open your heart and that saying sorry is a normal word and saying I don't know is a normal word and that you don't have to be the best. And the moment it happens, and then just, then life was better.

Yeah, it takes that big burden off. Yeah, absolutely. So now can you elaborate on a three-brain science and how it can empower people to understand themselves better?

If you look at the science, it's scientifically proven. It's not that I— so in the '80s, '90s, two books or two research documents were written. One is The Second Brain, Michael Gershman, neurobiologist, after 30 years of research in the enteric part, everything underneath your Diaphragm up to your where the poop is coming out. That sounds like no. We have a brain there, 500 million brain cells, and we now know it somewhere. So besides that, your gut is the most important thing for immune system. That makes sense because that was what how we once were digestive system. So we have to put immune system in there, otherwise we don't survive. It's a system that can remember and can take action. We spoke about skydiving and that I had a fear of heights or have. And so where do you feel fear? There. Because that part then says, oh, Chris, jumping out of a plane or jumping off this, this mountain with just something like a triangle piece of cloth while the mountain is 2 kilometers high. Are you really sure you like to die like this? And says, we're not made to fly. If we were made to fly, we had wings.

Right.

And you feel it in your gut system because that one says, no, don't do it. The same, say, in your heart. That was, uh, Andrew Moore, a neurocardiologist, came aware of, say, a little brain on the heart. He called it the little brain. And it makes sense because your little brain on your heart— where do you feel when you are heartbroken? Hey, your heart. Where do you feel love? Where do you feel sadness? Where do you feel guilt? All there. It was all about connection and bonding. And your heart also Although some scientists still like to disagree, although scientifically proven, it also releases oxytocin. And oxytocin is the hormone or neurotransmitter that gives love. It's also released by the amygdala, but those are the only 2 spots. Your gut does not have oxytocin. The gut does not know love. It knows fight, flight, sex.

Right.

It does not know the difference. And so that's your heart scientifically proved. Now your head, we all know there's so much neuroscience, just Google it. And there's so much, it's an amazing thing. And I heard today, um, another person talking about neuroscience and I almost had to really shut myself up because he was saying so much, um, scientifically not true things. Why do you have a memory? We don't have a good memory. Memory is just obsolete for people. I think, no, no, no. Why would we spend 20% of our daily energy on our brain in between our ears? Why do we have such a memory that we still know what happened 20 years ago? It only helps you to do cause and effect analysis. If this happened yesterday, then maybe it happens tomorrow. So maybe I should change my strategy to do it smarter. Your head is one big prediction machine. But how can I get— if you like to see a perfectionist, then ask what's happening in your head. I'm trying to find the best solution because I like to predict what is actually giving me the best success. But that's your head doing. So it's scientifically proven, 3 different kinds of objectives, 3 different kinds of responsibilities, the same objective, keeping us alive, keeping us becoming 100 years old or 80 years old, whatever life you like to have. But with different strategies, you've got brain likes to have power, control, and a shitload of money and a shitload of ego. Your heart brain just likes to have friends and bonding and a social community around you to protect. Your head brain just likes to have all the knowledge so it can make the best prediction. How can it empower people to come aware, hey, I have 3 wisdom centers who like to do the best, but almost like if we'd ask 3 different friends for advice, 3 different answers. So to create, they have to actually come aware, what do all 3 of them say? Come aware that maybe they have 3 friends different ideas and then come here, hey, how can I make from the 3 ideas one combined idea that all 3 say yes? Because do you know one thing? Do you know what's the worst thing that happens if you just follow one brain and you don't have success?

What?

Then you say after, oh shit, excuse my French, I should have listened to my heart. I should have followed my heart. Oh shit, I should have followed my gut feeling. Oh shit, I should have thought this through. Right. If you use all 3 of your brains, it doesn't mean you have always success, but you will never have regret. Your regret is right away out of the window because you know you did all the best you could do. And it gives a huge difference.

Yeah. Interesting. No, interesting because it is true. I've been in situations too where it's kind of like, I should have just listened to my gut, you know, because it was something didn't feel right. And you just go for it and it's like, ah, you know, should have just listened, you know. But it's, I guess that's a tricky thing, how to sync them all together so that you're listening to the right thing, you know. Yeah. So now as a passionate professional dedicated to transforming lives, what led you to focus on human behavior and change your whole career?

Now you have said that the beautiful thing is my passion, right? That's a beautiful, popular answer. It is, by the way. Secondly, I came aware I have a talent for it. So it helps. But thirdly, say things in my life also happened and I say, no, I like to do that. I had a burnout. I was bullied at school. Uh, I had somewhere one moment depression after divorce and all those things made me let go. So if I have it, how do I overcome it? What is happening there?

Right.

That made me learn from, okay, if it happens to me, what can I do then better? And I came in my life because I started as a software engineer, and I came here. Okay, I'm good in it, but I don't like to spend the whole day behind the computer talking to my computer because it doesn't at least not in the old days. So I changed, say, becoming sales marketing, led a little team of five people, and actually I came aware. But just listening to people and talking to them and just giving you sometimes a cuddle, sometimes a kick on the ass. They started to do amazing. And I thought, actually, I like it to help people. And that really made me, after I got sacked because my director was not really in favor of my approach, he said, no, you have to kick them harder, be stronger, old school leader. And I said, no, no, no, you see how they perform, they're amazing. Yeah, but I sit in some meetings, you don't talk only about figures and sales. I said, no, I talk about how people are doing. Yes, but it doesn't help. I said, no, look at the results, it helps. I don't like your approach. Now, having discussions with the owner of the company, I learned you can win it, but you still lose your job.

Yeah, it's hard to work with people that aren't like on the same path as you, you know.

Then I, after I got sacked, I said, okay, now I'm gonna do what I like to do. I joined a training company and I joined training companies 30 years ago. That was the best decision ever. And then I really came into it and then I came away, actually, I like it. And wow, I hear from people I'm good at it. That's also nice to hear, by the way.

Nice.

So in the period, after almost 10 years, I got a burnout. I thought, I'm working 10 years in this field as behavior trainer, coach, leader, got a burnout. So probably I only know one little part of how life is working. Okay. So that sparked me to learn more. I also became a therapist, uh, got a divorce when I immigrated to Australia. That really broke me down again. I thought, okay, I thought I learned again a lot of extra things and still, I'm now still back on my knees. So clearly I'm still missing some really essential stuff.

At least you figured it out.

And it helped me to learn more. And as a therapist, I work with people who have sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, uh, weight loss, Alcoholism and those kind of stuff. And then you start really diving in. What keeps people now hooked to the old behavior? Why do they stick in that coping mechanism? Why can I not just like I did, or why can I not just forget my painful past? And then I became aware your head can accept it. I know why, uh, I got a divorce. So what's the issue? Because my heart actually was still feeling broken. So as long as I didn't fix my heart, my head could say, yeah. So then I learned actually the head-heart-gut in all my research.

Right.

And that's somewhere I led into that. So it's not only the happy story. Oh, I followed my passion. And by the way, I saw the light. Now it's also, say, in the personal experience, what led me from, hey, it's there. And absolutely also seeing people who are, say, sexually abused. And after 30 years, I still remember one lady. She was sexually abused by an uncle, Italian families, when she was 12. Then she started to gain weight when she was 14. That stopped the abuse. I saw her when she was 64 and still had a weight issue. And that is 32 years later. 32 years, she was already carrying 30 kilos, 40 kilos more to protect her from her uncle 30 years before. And that really, I still remember it because somewhere it broke my heart. I thought, this is so freaking unfair. One, they should chop off his, uh, his damn face. That was my first reaction. Okay. That's okay.

That helps me from this moment. Right.

Get rid of that thought, Chris. And also, how can I help this lady? And I still remember I said to her, you know, I'm going to do everything in my power to give you back happiness because you really, you don't deserve 32 years of prison. Based on what happened there, and I helped her extremely well. By the way, I have to say because using all this stuff, it's like oh wow, really, oh wow, it really works. Yeah. And then I start developing it more. But really also that lady really sparked me. You know, this is so freaking unfair. This should end. I should find somewhere tools with all my knowledge to help her.

That's awesome though. No, it is true though, because you don't realize that, um, you might just bury it in your head, but it's still in there and it still affects everything you do. And, you know, like, I see that even with people I know, you know, it boils back down to how they were raised, how they were brought up, and those things still are in— like, they don't have no clue about it, but when you start looking at the big picture, it's like they're still carrying how they were raised, whatever happened to them when they were 5. And, you know, people always say, well, it's too late now, but you can show, no, it's not. It's never too late.

It's never too late. And as I say, Bessel van der Kolk wrote a book about it, The Body Keeps the Score. Peter Levine wrote some books about it, about somatic experiences. He actually inspired Bessel van der Kolk to write his book because the body does remember based on the heart and the gut have a brain. They remember that because the gut brain— if you think about the gut brain, what's the tools of the gut brain? What does our gut do in our digestive system?

Eat. Okay.

That's what it does. So in protection, it thinks you need more energy, you need to be stronger. Hey, food makes you more stronger, gives you more energy. Hey, by the way, if you now— if I give you a lot of food, then maybe you feel much more protected. You feel less attractive because also attractiveness is somewhere in the gut brain stored. What do we find attractive? So if I become less attractive, hey, then maybe I survive myself. So the moment you can educate that, in this case, that lady or her gut brain, that's not needed anymore, then poof, and she lost those 30, 40 kilos within half a year, right? without actually dieting.

Wow.

One, it dropped off because she threw away the weight of the abuse, and secondly, because she felt safe again. And it was freaking amazing. I said, yeah, the conditioning is there, it keeps stored there.

Right.

And yes, and we don't know it, because do you know why you have a fear of heights? Actually, a fear of falling, I always say. Because when I was 1.5 years old, I climbed out of my little bed to see my sister in the living room. My climbing went good. Um, the last part not. I came out of my bed and then went head down to the floor. I broke my collarbone.

Wow.

Although I don't remember it, I always have something like a vision that I fall down. I never knew that until I did some therapies and all this kind of stuff and came aware, where's this intrusive view coming from? Then I actually came aware I once broke my collarbone, but I don't know even if it's my right or left. And how it happened. So I asked my parents actually what happened and they explained to me. I thought, because I always saw my sister in the living room in front of the stove and my dad was after shower was rubbing her off in front of the heater. That's the image I have, but didn't know the rest. The moment, you know, so my body remembered.

Right.

This one even didn't know how to put any, to make any sense of it.

Yeah, you know, it's funny because it is all buried in there. Because I told you, you know, at the skydive accident, I have no memory of any of it. I was knocked unconscious. I don't remember any of it. But my helmet was knocked off. So picture falling, you know, you're falling at 175 miles an hour, all the wind. I know none of this because I was not conscious.

Yeah.

But I'm driving and I had the window open one day and the wind, it freaked me out. Like, I suddenly was like, I closed up the window. So I have no memory of anything, but my head remembers it.

Your head, but your body knows. Yeah. Because we have a sensory system, right? And your sensory system in your body said, okay, speedy wind. Oh shit, she's going down again 75 miles an hour. Oh, this will be painful.

Oh really? Yeah.

By the way, you don't have your helmet on. Yeah. So that's actually what you say is a beautiful example. how your body remembers, how your heart and gut, in this case your gut knows. I always say, Michael Gershwin says, your gut is not Shakespeare. It always says, oh shit.

It knows. Yeah. Now tell us, your experience includes hypnosis, NLP, coaching, and psychotherapy. So how do these different modalities complement each other in your approach?

Now, one, say, I blend them to a beautiful mix, almost like different kind of herbs you put when you're cooking. When I spoke about cooking, right? If you think about hypnosis or hypnotherapy, okay, hypnosis by itself is just bringing the head in a different kind of brainwave situation that you're actually more in a state to learning.

Right.

First 7 years of our life, actually our brain activity It is the same as you are in a hypnotic state. So everything you learned in your first 7 years, right?

Yes.

When you bring your head in a hypnotic state, let's talk like that. It is almost like you're sleeping and you can have nightmares or dreams and you cannot move. So, but everything is vivid and alive. So in a hypnotic state, you actually, I would say you turn off it to make it popular said, you turn off your critical part of your mind that says, yeah, that cannot be happening. And we come back in a state that you believe that you can fly. You believe in comics. You believe that Barbie's actually true, those kind of stuff.

Right.

That, that, that Batman really is, is Superman and that actually Superman was flying around the moon, by the way. In that state you are. And the beauty is you can learn about this hypnosis part. The NLP part is actually is coming from hypnosis because NLP is based on hypnosis. family therapy and Gestalt therapy is actually an— if you look at it from one way, it's a beautiful toolbox of techniques and ways, extremely efficient based on those 3 modalities to work with people. So I blend them in. So a lot of things in hypnosis, you can use the NLP tools to make rapid change, if you would call it.

Right.

Psychotherapy is helpful if you do analysis, if you have your talks and those kind of stuff. And the coaching part is where When you like to go to the business world also, right? Hypnosis, NLP, you could say are more used in the therapy world. While you go to the coaching world, you use more, a little bit more psychotherapy and sometimes a little bit of NLP. But actually also what kind of market do you blend in, blend in, right? Exactly. In my work, if somebody hires me as a therapist or as a coach, they hire me and actually they hire me for a solution. And I never heard somebody say, hey, Chris, um, I know you do, can you only do coaching to me? They just say, Chris, this is my topic, this is my issue. I like that we have multiple sessions, solve it, solve me, make it happen. So then we just blend in everything. And just like a handyman says, you know, this needs a hammer, this needs a screwdriver, this needs some glue.

Right.

Those modalities based on the topic of the client.

Makes sense.

Actually, based on the system that we have 3 brains, and your 3 brains actually, based on what I said in the beginning, those 3 responsibilities they have connect to an issue. Because what's the beauty, um, most times when you talk about an issue, and let's talk, let's use this, the brain that is not talking or the brain that is part of the issue, right? Because it does not contribute its wisdom to the solution, right? So I blend those in. So the analysis, a lot of times, hey, which— in my words, which brain is talking or which brain is silent, right? And the other things are actually tools to help a client go on.

Okay. Now tell me, your book shed light on the workings of our 3 brains in personal and professional relationships. So can you share some practical steps for— some practical tips for fostering greater understanding and harmony in relationships?

In relationships, I would say it is easy and hard at the same moment. Besides the love component and the mutual attraction, all kinds of things that's more, say, you could almost say spiritual or really a little bit less scientifically brainwave there.

Right. Okay.

If you think about relationships, there are 2 beautiful things. One, opposites attract, as we all know.

Right.

And that makes sense because opposite attracts actually has a reasoning because then you actually have all the 3 brains in a relationship. If you're a more heart brain and you're attracted to a gut brain, hey, I've got both.

Yeah.

So it makes sense. There's only one pity because they have different responsibilities. There's no equality in a relationship. The gut brain says, hey, it's about me. And the heart brain says, oh, it's about you. The gut brain is totally happy because 2 are for me. The heart brain person says, hey, by the way, when is it for me? No, no, we agreed to the gut brain. It was about me and you would also be about me. So in relationships, it is extremely important to come aware, hey, what is my dominance in my normal brain preference? From which brain am I operating the best? What is that for my partner? And if the opposite or the same, doesn't matter. But if it's there, based on that, how can it also— we can order, we can bring other brains in our relationship. In the communication or in the style, because otherwise there's a mismatch. And it can work, but it will take a lot of frustration, a lot of unhappiness. If you ask about relationships where people are even 60 years together, they always say it's a lot of hard work.

It's not easy.

It is, and it makes it a little bit easier if you know what's happening and what's the programming of yourself and from the other, if you talk, if you communicate. So Then when I, when I talk to people, I'll say the most easiest thing is, hey, what's my brain? What's the brain of the other one? What's dominance? And then secondly, okay, knowing that, what are the communication styles or say our preferences? So we know what's happening and what are also their needs. And when somebody comes tired home from, I know, let's say a hard day work, then his or her gut brain is active because the gut brain says, I'm tired. I like to do a nap. Now, if you then stayed the whole day home because whatever, you were day free or whatever, like they said, hey, I didn't talk to anybody. Hey, let's have a bit of a talk. Heart brain needs. Then the gut brain says, I like to do a nap. The heart brain says, I like to talk. And then, you know, you have within 5 minutes you have a conflict. Then you know, okay, my partner now has a gut brain need, needs to do a nap. Okay, you know, take 15 minutes, 30 minutes just to get your energy back. Then we come back, then it's okay. The gut-brainer in our head who comes home totally turned off and say, okay, my partner likes to vlog. So, you know, could do. No, just ventilate for 5 or 10 minutes. And if you don't mind, then I just go take a little nap or just fall down on the couch and somewhere find that compromise.

Right.

But it's knowing what are my needs from the other. And it sounds so easy, but if you know, where your brain dominances are, it becomes much easier because you can see the patterns extremely easy, right?

No, that totally makes sense. Compromise. So I guess tell us a little bit more about the 3 Brains Coach Certification Training that you provide and how it empowers others to create lasting impacts in their clients' lives.

What I say now, it sounds all easy sometimes, and it is easy, I would say, but that's not fair because there are many 7, 8 years really in this. So after 8 years doing something, saying it's easy, that's not fair because I spent probably 10,000 hours on this. In training, what I teach people, leaders, mostly coaches, is okay, really come where which brain is talking. So you have a client who confesses they have ABCD, then to make an analysis which brain of the client is actually talking when he or she talks about the topic, which brain is now in favor, which brain is silent, Which brain is actually protecting the old system? From there, okay, how can you then bring all the 3 brains into the discussion and find a common solution? So in the coaching, I learn people, okay, what do you do if your brain is blocked? And what I mean is brain is blocked, that say, now you fell once out of a— or skydiving. Let's not use us. Say you have sexual abuse, like we had that lady there. Then you can imagine that her trust system somewhere is somewhere heavily violated. So her heart is not totally open in trusting people anymore because she should trust her uncle. Now your uncle did some horrible stuff. So, so then she has a brain block in her heart to really open up. So what we have to do then in the coaching with the learned people, how can you actually bring that trauma outside her heart? And so we learn actually how you coach somebody without becoming a therapist, without saying, okay, can you tell me what happened everywhere? Let's lie on the couch down for the next 5 years. In really, in a couple of sessions, how you can make a massive change to get the trauma out of the system. The same about limiting beliefs, you know, I'm not good enough, I'm not smart enough, and I cannot earn enough money, and people should be honest, I should never cry, and all those, you know, Beautiful things we have.

Yeah, yeah.

Most of them we learned them as a coping mechanism based that we stayed safe in our in our family system. So I also the coaching training I learned the coaches how do you actually change that limiting belief? And if you think about again the three brains is again extremely easy because we learned it somewhere. as a coping mechanism because it made daddy, mommy, whomever happy. And the moment you learn the heart of the gut, hey, by the way, you're not 5, 6, 7, 8, or 10 years anymore, then poof, it falls away. Because you know why it's so easy and so beautiful? And don't have to become a therapist in that part. You know, it's the only part in your body that knows tomorrow and yesterday. That's the beautiful part in between your ears. Only your head knows tomorrow and yesterday. Your heart and your gut, like, are like the average cat or dog. They only live in the present. That's why they're always happy. That part. But it also means that what happened 30 years ago is for the head or for the heart or the gut still now. That's why post-traumatic stress syndrome also stays in the body. But the moment also then the heart and gut know, oh, it is actually not now anymore, but 30 years ago, it just disappears. Poof. In one second. It's just amazing. And why it's so important to know, do you know when we as human beings on average learn actually tomorrow and yesterday? At what age we learn that?

No.

6 or 7. Before the age 6 or 7, our head does not know yesterday or tomorrow. I ask an average girl or a boy of Hey, should we next week go to the cinema? They already pull on their shoes, let's go now. Yeah. Or say, you know, tonight we have a beautiful dessert. And before you know, your little one is already coming out with a plate. Yeah, we should eat dessert. No, no, tonight. And 10 minutes later, come, is it already tonight? Yeah. No, tonight's when it's dark.

That's true.

Then the first, the first light goes down, ah, it's dark. No, no, dark is actually in 2 hours. And they really get totally confused. So all the things that happens before the age of 7 is learned as it is now without the time concept. That's why what we learn the first 7 years is so extremely strong embedded in us because there's no cause and effect or rationalization about it. That's what I teach in the 3-Brain Coach Training and how to let coaches, leaders, or just everybody who likes to learn something more.

Right. No, it's amazing because it is true. I mean, like, everything you're saying makes total sense now, which we just normally don't know this, you know. We just go with the flow and that's just how life is, and you don't realize how it is. Like, it is true. Like, I see even with my grandkids, everything with them is 5 minutes, 5 minutes. 5 minutes to them could be 6 hours, but it's— they don't know, it's just 5 minutes.

Right.

And like you say, you know, going to the zoo, you know, Next, you know, when school starts. And every day it's, you know, this is in the beginning of the summer, kind of like, are we going? Are we going? It's like they don't get it. And even as like adults, like you say, it's— Um, it is true. Like, I never really thought about that, how you— everything is etched because it all goes like even with a heartbreak, you could be with somebody and have a heartbreak, but it's not that your heart knows that that happened. It's the brain is what's triggering it. So if you don't know how to piece it all together, That's where you suffer, you know, decades of this.

Yeah, I say, and that's saying, to make it extremely, say, binary, 1 and 0, where a lot of, say, psychology and psychotherapy, and also, say, in my words, S-U-C-K-S, because they only use the logical brain, right? And so then we know that 10 years ago your partner ran away from you for with your best friend and you found him in your bed, right? And then she wrote you an email that he was actually better than you, and you know it all.

Yeah.

But it is— but the pain doesn't go away, although you talk 20 times to your psychologist about it, and you know all the details are there. And because your heart still feels betrayal, right? And as long as your heart doesn't let it go, it doesn't happen.

No. And that's the whole—

that's the whole thing. trick behind it. Sometimes what's happening, and that makes it so beautiful the moment you understand how it works.

Yeah.

I always say, that's why I say in the beginning, it's so simple because I sometimes I feel like a fraud because then somebody comes to me, it's almost like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, done. It's like, how did you do that? I say, yeah, now actually I can wear those like this. And I thought, if that's not there anymore, it's done. I said, yeah, I already worked with this for 4 years. I have already 4 years this issue where I went already 10 times to tracheitis. why does not everybody do it like you? And I have something like, am I a fraud? Is the guy just saying to me that he's happy now because he paid me? Is he lying to me? Sometimes I really have something like, is he really happy? But then after 1 month, 2 months, I connect with them and say, no, no, I still feel amazing, Chris.

No, but it is true. I, I knew somebody who went to— her and her husband were having issues. They went to a psychiatrist for about 15 years. And I kept saying, they wound up getting divorced, but it was kind of like 15 years and you heaven. But it is true, if you don't know, like, you can have an issue and that will affect your next relationship and relationship until you can fix the problem that you might not even know that that's the problem. So if you have somebody helping to dissect it, find it, and fix it, they could just save years and years and years of grief. So that's awesome.

It's an analogy. Sometimes I say, you know, the psychotherapy made Every issue we have mental because we talk about neuroscience and everything's in the head. But if you would have a broken bone, would you go to a psychologist? Say you break your leg, you skydive, land a little bit odd, you break your ankle. Would you go to a psychologist?

Oh, I hope not, by the way.

You would go to say hello and the ER say, okay, put something around, put it in whatever brace or trading and whatever they have to do. If your heart or gut are broken, then you go to somebody who can say, fix it. That's something else because you need your heart or gut fixed. It doesn't mean you need your head fixed. So that's why sometimes it goes so quickly. If people say, why can it go so quickly? I said, because you can learn in 1 second.

Right.

You can never forget your whole life. And I say, that's not true. I said, You know, put your hand there and take a hammer. I crash all your bones, and I can tell you that happens in half a second, and you will never forget it. So you can learn swimming in half a second, like your body learns in maybe ten seconds. Oh shit! A lot of wind means oh, I'm going down, down, down.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know how long your fell your fell was, but I cannot think it's more than ten ten seconds. Otherwise, you would not be sitting here and shooting. Yeah. So your, your body learns extremely quick, but it can also in that part almost release it extremely quick. It's not true anymore if you push the right button and if the person pushes the right button.

Right. Good. Now tell me, as you shape the minds of future leaders as a visiting professional professor at IE Business School, what lessons or values do you emphasize to create a heart and brain-based society?

The funny part is that we shared it earlier. When I talk to leaders, is from does it make sense? I first say no. It's a just imagine you have three wisdom centers. Right. That's strange. That's okay. There's some signs. So we see some signs. People say, oh yeah, that's okay. Then it's probably true. But they start accepting. Then do some exercise to come away. Hey, by oh wow! Actually, I just follow sometimes my feeling, although it's not logical. But I let them do. is to stand next to somebody on one side with their eyes closed. Then I let their eyes open and let them move to the other side, eyes closed again. I said, what feels better? And everybody has preference. I said, okay, so with your eyes closed, you have preference to stand right or left from the person. Where's the freaking logic? Where's your P&L analysis? Where's your Excel sheet? Where's your pros and cons?

Right.

It's a feeling. Okay, who's in charge of the feeling? Now, then we get somewhere. Okay, so that's true. So we have— so the moment they become aware that it's true, that's okay. So we have now 3 wisdom centers. These are the 3 things they do. And then people come over, hey, if we use 3, they have more success. And then we do some, say, sometimes group exercises. And the amazing thing is, and that makes sense, everybody loves sport. The team that works the best together as a team most of the times wins. It's not the 3 most intelligent persons who you put together win. You can have, say, the lesser intelligence, but they work extremely well together that win and outperform the 3 IQ 180 Sheldons from the Big Bang.

Right. Just work together.

Yeah. And then you come here, why do they work together? Because they use their 3 brains. They use the heart brain to connect, the gut brain to make the assignment perfect, and the head brain to put logic in it. Bam, and they win. While the other 3 extremely smart persons have their own ego, say, no, no, Patricia, you're wrong. I have an IQ of 180. I can tell you this, you should do it like this. By the way, I studied also bioeconomics, ecocentrics, statistical analysis on financial systems. So trust me. Now, if you can repeat my sentence, then you are smart.

Yeah. Okay.

But then, but then they have so much discussion about what is right and wrong that they lose from their assignment. So the moment they become aware, oh shit, it's not about who's to bring the smartest people and actually to create the best team, they start to remember, how do I create the best team? Because now actually to connect all those dots, because see what's happening with those people. Why did you work together? Now we listen to each other and then all the, we listen to each other. We appreciate comments. We see feedback not as a personal attack, but something to make us better. And it's actually opening your heart and those kinds of stuff. And then these are like, okay. And most of them, the funny part is they say, you know, Chris, you know what's actually strange? I said, no, I don't know what's strange. Surprise me, please. My partner actually thinks I'm a better person now after following your training. And that's most times the first feedback I get, that their partners see why they change because they become more more open, more listening, more connecting, more empathic. Because that's actually what we learn in that part. And they come away actually that the relationship is better, that they have less fights. And I think, hey, why? And by the way, Chris, if I work now in team with my son, actually with my students, we also do much better. So I just let them experience it, that it helps. Because if they experience it, you don't forget.

Right. Actually, that brings me to my next one. So how have you positively impacted the lives of over 10,000 people and what inspires you to continue making a difference?

Well, I'd say that last 10,000, I did it in the last 20, 30 years. So I'll say in the beginning, it was a little bit, I would say, less than now. Let's be honest, that was the learning journey. So in that part, I influenced them all in this purpose. It was the initial intention to make this world a better place and to make better leaders when I started my coaching and training career. That's my big objective. That's why I wrote the book as being dyslexic. I'm dyslexic. So really, uh, let me spell a word and you'll have fun.

Put me in the context of travel and you see somebody cry.

That's me. But I really don't see, I don't see the words.

Right. Okay.

And I really went through that whole journey of writing a book with one ambition to bring this out to the world because we can make our own life our partner's life, our kids' lives, and a bigger society life much better. Wouldn't it be freaking amazing? Our grandma— I just became a granddad, I came over here, I know that I became a granddad— that our little grandkids would live in a world that's better than our world now. Wouldn't that not be amazing?

Right.

Less hate, less violence, less bullying. Just imagine that your grandkids would know for sure they would not be bullied at school if they would not wear pink, yellow, gray, or I don't know, they would shave their head bald and they would just not be judged, whatever. They'd just be accepted. Wouldn't that be freaking amazing?

Yeah, for sure.

That's my passion for the future. That's why I wrote a book. That's why I do my brain, my training. Because I think the moment I influence them and they start learning about this and we create a 3-brain, I say always a hard brain world, actually use the 3 brains. Then this world becomes much more like that. And then your grandkids, my granddaughter, live in a world and they could say, hey, Grandma Patricia, you know, all the things you did actually contributed to a better world. Wouldn't that be freaking amazing?

Yeah, sure. And you feel like you've achieved your purpose in life, you know?

Okay. And that's my purpose for the future. That's why I reached out to you and, hey, I'd like to be on your podcast. Besides that, I read about you. Happy person that's nice to talk to. I thought I'll be there because she has an audience I probably don't reach. And if 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 people, or maybe all of them say, oh wow, after, okay, let's spend $10 on that book and read what that crazy guy wrote. Oh, by the way, it helps. And you start thinking that all those people who listen to you will create a little light of beacon in their own lives for their partner, for the kids, for the grandkids, maybe for the school, maybe for the work. In some ways, all those little spots happening, that we create something more beautiful.

Yeah, I mean, that's actually perfect.

Yeah, so that's my future dream. Is that where I come from or where I like to go to?

No, it is true because I always say, you know, everybody, um, you know, I only know so many people, you know. I mean, I, I know people, you know people, and that's how the whole world connects. And it's like spreading the word, and it is true. It's especially if it's something like this that I feel is really important. And, you know, I always tell people, when people say, I don't know, is my story good enough? I said, everybody's story needs a voice, but let me hear what your story's about and see if it's something that, you know, because some people came with some really wacky stuff. But, you know, this I think is really important, especially in the world where everybody's changing, everybody wants to fit in. But you are right that we're all raised and brought up with one type of thing. Everybody has their own version of what they were taught in their home. No 2 people raised the same. And, you know, it is a shame because I've seen it with my own two eyes. I've seen it with myself. You know, even with me, I'm one of three. You know, I have two sisters. I'm one of three. And we were all raised in the same home, but we're each different based on, you know, who was the favorite, who was told this, who was told that, who was trying to get brownie points with the parent, whatever. And, you know, it's funny when you look at us because We're like, we were all brought up in the same house, but what we took from it is how we were, I guess, raised, you know, because nobody treats their kids, even though you say treat them all equal, they're always a little bit different. And whatever experiences we went through in life, you know, it just depends on, you know, how you've taken it on and on and on it, because it doesn't go away. And I think it's true, you can go to a psychologist half the time with the medical world. I think they're just like I said, someone I knew 15 years in therapy and accomplished nothing. They were just looking at it as a payday. But, you know, it's unfortunate because you wasted 15 years of their life. They could have totally resolved their issues and been a happy, lovable couple afterwards if they had the right person.

And from all that money they spent in the psychiatrist, probably could have bought a second house or a beautiful holiday or whatever they did, put their kids through university or whatever.

For sure. And it's even, you know, let's just say I know like a couple Who, you know, they're in an abusive relationship. Well, no one's telling you to stay in an abusive relationship, but what's causing that? Who's the abuser? What's causing that? You know, like there are ways to resolve this. And unless they're with the person who really understands and knows how to put them on the right track, you know, it's unfortunate. And I think everything you're saying makes total sense. And it's something that a lot of people don't know about. Like I never heard of the 3 brains and I think what you're saying makes total sense.

I still remember when I was, say, still in the early days of not bringing out my book, talking about my book. I still remember I went to, say, a family member, and I talked about it. And he is really a rational guy, engineer, smartass. And in one moment, he listened to my whole story. I know, I know for sure what you say is not true. And I sit there with my fork almost in my mouth. How do you mean? He says, if this was true, I would have read about it. And that was his truth. He said, because if it's already out there for 30 years, why is it not in the news? I said, I said, that's really easy. I said, um, just imagine you have 3 brains and it will be true. And it is true, by the way, scientifically.

Yeah.

What would, what would it mean for the psychiatrists? for psychologists? What would it mean for how they practice with people? Looks to me that probably they would all have to change their model. Yes. And do you think 1 billion— 1 million psychiatrists, psychologists are really willing to change their system now? Think about the medical world. If that's true, then all the medication that may be prescribed, maybe it could also be a little bit different. And maybe some medication is not needed anymore. more like we see now actually with all the gut immunity. Yeah, sometimes changing your gut bacteria does already a lot of things for Parkinson's, as an example. So, do you think they're really happy with those stories? No, I said no. If you now say twice no, how do you think then why it's hard to get the story out? Yeah, it makes sense that it will cost a lot of people a lot of money, and that's actually why it also stays there somewhere.

Right. And it's all— it is a little Like, I have my own pet peeves with the whole medical world. And because it's no longer like doctors and hospitals and pharmacies are your best interests at heart. Like, I've had actual medicine that worked 100% for me taken off the shelf because the pharmaceutical companies aren't making enough money. Nothing wrong with the drug so that what they want to give you is 10 times more expensive and doesn't work, you know. So it's, you know, and I always make a joke about, well, if Google says it, it can't be— it has to be true. It's just a joke.

Yeah.

Half the stuff you read, it doesn't mean it's— I'm working in the PR marketing world, you know the whole way it works. You hide the bad news, you promote what you want to. So you can't base it on if I haven't read it because it's almost like politics. It's no longer what's best for you, it's what's best for everybody else. Because it's not read because it doesn't accommodate the pockets of everybody else. Doesn't mean it's not true.

There's a Dr. Mosley, and I always forgot his first name. And he's really a doctor. He's a doctor doctor, not like me. And he's a doctor doctor, went through the whole medical school. And on one moment, he also got diabetes 2 diagnosed and he just lost 30 kilos. Not just, but he lost 30 kilos. Boom. Diabetes 2 was gone. He researched more, did a lot of things, wrote a book. I know the 600-calorie diet or 800-calorie diet.

calorie diet.

Wow.

Okay.

And based on all the research, every diabetes 2 person is overweight. If they would lose their weight, probably 75% would not be diabetes 2 anymore. What is now, if you go to the doctor, the cure if you have diabetes 2 is just what you say on the shelf. We have product XYZ, it costs you $1,000 a month. But will keep you away from all the symptoms of diabetes two. Will it solve my diabetes two? No, no, but you will not have the symptoms anymore. Oh wow! Only thousand dollars a month? Yeah, only thousand dollars a month. The doctor is not allowed to say, by the way, dear client, you are 120 kilos. You know, if you will become 90 kilos, your diabetes two would be gone. So the first thing to do is actually send you to a nutritionist or. To somebody, to psychologist, to actually to Christopher Snyder, who helps you just solve your shit out. Yeah, because that does not earn the pharmaceutical those $1,200 a year, right? So yeah, we got stuck in that one.

Yeah, it's, um, definitely not, not good. I mean, I, um, you know, same again, not to bring up stuff about me, but I used to suffer from terrible, terrible migraines. And this went on for decades. And, you know, I was on every pill under the sun to the point I was taking injections for them because they were terrible. Yeah, they were bad.

My dad also had migraines. I know from the outside how people suffer from it. Really, you don't wish that to your worst enemy almost. Maybe some, but not a lot.

But I was getting them 4 to 5 times a week. I mean, they were terrible. The crazy part was I— no one ever diagnosed why I'm getting them. It was just, here's pills, here's pills, here's this, here's that. And it turns out that I used to take a bunch of vitamins. Just, you know, you, you read, of course, because the internet can't be false, you read that after a certain age you need to take this vitamin, that. So I was taking a ton of vitamins. Nothing bad, but obviously it was my body's reaction to, you don't need this. So when I was in the accident and I was in the hospital, I Had no idea. You know, again, I was out, but, um, I wasn't taking my vitamins. And remember my husband saying, it's almost like you went through a detox. He's like, you were— you— they had to put ice blankets on me. I was like burning, but I had no fever. They didn't know what was going on. But I never had— um, I wasn't taking my vitamins. Do you know I never had a migraine since?

Mm-hmm.

And I'm like, here I was for like 30 years suffering with this, all for something so simple. But the doctors don't care. It's how much money can they make? How much money can the pharmaceuticals take? So getting someone who, even if you're not an actual PhD, who understands this and can help people. I mean, you've helped over 10,000 people. I mean, that's amazing. And getting people to understand that there is a solution. You don't have to suffer. You don't have to, you know, live a life of misery. You know, let us just figure out how to make you better. It's amazing.

It is because vitamins are good, but too much, too much is not good. A little sip of red wine is good. Drinking a bottle a day is not good for your liver.

Yeah, I mean, I'm a vegetarian. I eat healthy. So you know, you need some. You know, like the doctor I have now, she's pretty much. You don't need all this. You need one and two. That's it. And I'm like, don't I need that?

No, you need some additions because you don't fight because you don't. Yeah, I say I'm a pescatarian, although I live in Spain. That's why they're hard to be really vegetarian because impossible. Right. If you ask here, can you have vegetarian? They say pollo. Is it no chicken? I still remember, that's not meat, that's not meat. I said, no, say that to the chicken.

Yeah, I'm the same now. I eat chicken and turkey. But yeah, but yeah, I mean, they can tell from the blood work too what you need, what you don't. But most doctors are just like, well, you know, you need this, you need that, osteoporosis, blah blah blah. But you can tell, do I— how are my bones? Do I need that? You know, I mean, but again, you know, what do I know?

It's all right. And migraine is actually just like an autoimmune disease, always coming from something else. Because genetically, only from all the diseases, I think genetically we only have 1.5% or 0.5% where all the diseases are genetically. Most of them are environment or actually our social system, our 3 brains that are not aligned to this current world.

Right.

Every cell in your body likes to be healthy. Why do all the animals, or almost all animals, have our diseases? Because they don't have all this, all the craziness. They don't have phones and WhatsApp and Messenger and Meta and X, formerly known as. They don't have that thing. They have totally different kind of things. So they're saying their food is still saying much more natural when we have our food now and how it's processed. So by changing it, it is, I would say, rather quote-unquote easy. My dad's migraines came actually from that he was sacked from his— that everybody got sacked from his job and he felt, say, useless in his life when he was 55. He got really unhappiness from that. The moment he changed that, migraines never came back anymore.

Hmm.

And he also had them for 10, 15 years.

And I think, oh wow.

10, 15 years, you had the job migraines, you got sacked, and within a year you don't have them anymore. Wow, that's interesting.

Right.

So our body knows because everything in your body likes to be healthy. We're not born to be sick.

Right.

The only thing is we have a misbalance, just like you and a lot of people have, and it creates it. And you found— luckily, I'm so happy for you— you found somewhere your misbalance. You were doing actually too much.

Yeah, too much of it.

And it makes sense. Yeah. The same, uh, I remember, uh, 20 years ago also, I took a super vitamin, uh, really amazing and the best top of the shelf. And I got a little pimples and I got some other things. And I was like, what the hell is happening? I stopped those amazing pills because they were actually bringing too much inside my body, what was in that moment not needed. Right. Ja, zo ik ik know your story. I have needles on pimples. Now you look a bit crazy. So in your thirties you have pimples. Okay, Chris, are you in your late puberty? Yes, I'm still.

Eh, go with the flow. Yeah.

Go with the flow. You know I'm a bit slow.

It's the stress of the job. Yeah. Maybe the same, eh? Yeah.

Stress can do so much much harm to us. Yeah. Because stress is an amazing thing. It's a fight or flight response. The only thing we don't learn how to shake it off anymore. Right. And if you have too much stress, then your system goes in the fight or flight response, and sooner or later you get the chronic disease. So you have an amazing story.

But tell us how people could get a hold of you.

Uh, now to call you? No, kidding. Hey, you can call me.

Sure, it's all good.

Yeah, we should get really bored today.

Sorry, I'm putting your cell number on here. Keep it up. My cell number.

I would say use my horrible name, Christoffel Sneijders. Type it in somewhere and Google finds me. 3 Brains Intelligence. You will also find my website and you find me. You will find them probably also the book from Amazon and those kinds of things. Also, people, of course, you can follow my course. That's amazing. Having said that, the cheapest solution, that was something for probably 2 coffees in New York. And probably if you're in Manhattan, only 1 coffee, $10, you have a Kindle book and you can read so much in it that you'll find many solutions for your life. Not all of them, but you'll find so much insight to make your life a little bit better.

Right.

I think that's the most interesting thing. And of course, I always love it if people send me an email or text or WhatsApp, if they got my phone number, hold of me. My passion is to bring this out because we can make this world a better place. And if you don't do it for yourself, do it for your kids, your grandkids, because they deserve it.

Right. Thank you. I mean, I'm gonna put your contact info, but just one last thing. You help people around the world, right? You don't— they don't have to physically be by you, right?

No, no, no, no, no. Because in this Zoom world that you're in New York, I'm sitting in Madrid. Yeah. In the Zoom world, I lived in Australia. I had this morning, this morning, somebody on the phone from Australia. Okay, you can find me. And that'd be— what's the beauty of WhatsApp and, and all this kind of stuff? You can be everywhere and people can just always connect with you wherever you are if you're asking.

Perfect. So everybody around the world, contact him. Yes. Well, thank you again for being on the show. Again, that was Chris— again, that was Christoffel Sneijders. So thank you for listening to Successful Minds with Patty B. Never miss an episode by subscribing to the show here. So thank you so much.

Thank you, Patricia. It was really a delight to be here, have our fun, have our jokes, and just went through the whole system like we did.

Yes, absolutely.

And by the way, all your listeners, Patricia, have a beautiful day, have a beautiful life, and keep listening to her because she brings beautiful things to the world.

Oh, well, thank you so much. Thank you for listening to Successful Minds with your host, Patricia Barnowski Schneider.

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