Why We Need to Rethink Everything About Intelligence! With Christoffel Sneijders

Hello and welcome to Holistic Circle Podcast, Spiritual Conversation. My name is Philip Kobold. We are reaching out to people who are passionate about spreading light, love, and joy. And I'm happy from sunny Spain, we have Christoffel Sneijders. Hello. I think I just said the name wrong. It's Sneijders.

No, it is Sneijders. You did a good job, Philip. And as this is a Dutch name, it's almost impossible for any other country to pronounce. So I've heard all the versions up to now and always say my dad should have just have been named, would've been Jackson, then everybody would've known it or something like that.

Well, I always enjoy when names are a little bit interesting, even if I, uh, uh, legendarily make it wrong, but it's always, I love when things are interesting. Well, this will be an interesting conversation, but nevertheless, I would like, uh, you've written books and everything, people know you, but there'll be new audience. There's always hopefully new audience. So please be so kind and a little bit present your background, what you do, and then we'll take it from there.

Absolutely, Philipp. Of course. And I hope, say, a lot of new people will join you because I listen to your podcast and you're doing amazing work. That's why I also reached out to you. I thought, okay, it's not that a lot of people say, why don't you go for all the big audiences? I said, no, I like to go to podcasts where the heart of the person is in. And for me, your heart is in your podcast. And I think that's really great for that. Who am I? Christoffel Sneijders. And if you like to do it in German, it's Schneiders. It's all good. So I'm now, I say, currently I'm working in different jobs. One, I'm a master certified coach and I do coaching, say, for businesses, CEOs. I'm also a clinical psychotherapist, hypnotherapist. I work with people who have PTSD, anxiety, stress, depressions, and other kinds of things. I'm also a visiting professor at the business school IE and at the University Georgetown. There's a huge project in Qatar. And I'm also educating coaches in the 3 brains intelligence, how you really can make the difference and the change. And that was also why I reached out to you, because I heard your podcast and thought, this is really something I hope your people would enjoy and love to hear because it helps that link between, hey, where am I now and where actually, where should I be? We all are born to be something amazing, all of us. And somewhere life stops us and there's now, how can we get there? And if you think of, hey, how did I come there? I once studied commercial engineering because I have a beautiful logical mind. And after almost 10 years and some mishaps and marketing and software engineering, I really went into the leadership and training. And there I found my real passion. How can you make it? How can you make, help people to make that step? And after ten years working for the number one in Europe, I got a burnout. I have a partner, was just divorced, had three kids, had a not so pleasant divorce. Was leading a team, was coaching people, was doing my sales, was delivering training, was doing still water polo and running. And you can hear there was some little time left for sleep, for yourself. So somewhere I thought I'm extremely fit as doing water polo. Nothing can help, nothing can stop me until I hit the really hard wall from. And the spirit, the mind, the body said, okay, this is enough. That propelled me right away from, hey, if I'm already 10 years in the Champions League of leadership and coaching, then I'm missing something. I'm doing something wrong because otherwise, or my colleagues or I should have seen this coming. So I stepped right away in what can help me. So I took a lot of kind of self-help. In all different ways, from somatic to the psychiatrist steps from, hey, what am I missing? And I came aware actually in the somatic part, I was disconnected. I was walking, say, on, say, a willing to believe and on a logic that I can do it. I was not connected with really my internal feelings. So I learned right away, I started to learn from, hey, how does somatic healing work? And from there also NLP to see, hey, how can we make those mind switches? I emigrated to Australia with my on that moment partner. We built a beautiful dream house where we were supposed to live, and with half a year she ran away with a firefighter. You cannot beat a firefighter, Benny, body-wise. But having said that, leaving everything in Europe behind and leaving to Australia, the other side of the world, leaving my kids behind, my work behind, everything behind, it threw me Or I threw myself actually in, you could say, in depression. I really went down the rabbit hole again. And that really made me aware, hey, I'm going down a rabbit hole again. So still, I'm still missing something. Because I thought with all the things I learned, I would do something. In the same time, I became a therapist because it was the easiest way actually to get money. Because after our divorce, I had an issue. I started to work with people in the same moment I thought, okay, what am I missing? And I learned much more about the trauma work from Peter Levine, went to even do more other kinds of trainings. And in that process of learning the real trauma work, what I already knew logically from the somatic work, the body stores actually really all the emotions, the fascia. And my quest was, where is that actually? the decisions made? Because we can say the body stores the trauma, but where in the body does it then make a decision to come out? Somebody should be in charge. And it's not my logical head because my logical head says it doesn't make sense to feel depressed. So then I hit, and I have to say thanks to Lynne McTaggart in her book, The Intention Experiment. She writes in there, we have 3 brains, a heart and a gut brain. Scientifically proven. And on that moment, I said, oh wow, if that's true, it answers the question maybe why I'm still partly stuck and cannot help myself. Because one of my brains is probably still not aligned with it. And from there I started to investigate it, research it, work with, because I was also in that moment teaching actually clinical hypnotherapy, psychotherapy at my own school. There was, you could say, almost using my students as guinea pigs. Of course, with concession, van does it work? So say that we just don't talk to the unconscious mind, but we talk really specific to the heart or the gut. Does it make a difference? And what is actually the neurotransmitters they are releasing? How is the energy work working in that? Because also became in that moment an Reiki master. How does it all connect somewhere? And from there, nou. I am a couple of years later, I've found a girlfriend or I met my current girlfriend in Spain. Australia, Spain are a little bit far away from each other, as you know, Philippe, living in Austria. And when COVID hit, I was in Europe. COVID, based on that, Australia decided to close the borders 2 years. So my business died a slow death because I could not go back. I was stuck in Europe in a pleasant way, but also an unpleasant way business-wise. So after half a year, actually, you know, not playing the victim, but at least thinking, okay, what am I going to do? I decide I will stay with my girlfriend in Spain. I will not go back to Australia anymore and really set up my current business in what I'm doing now. So that's a story from where I am now and how I got there. And what I love also that, I don't know, did you ever read the book from Paolo Coelho, The Alchemist, Philippe?

Uh, not that I can remember, but it's nothing unusual with me. But I, of course, I know the book.

Okay. What I loved from the book when I read it is the same as Synchrodestiny from Deepak Chopra. It has somewhere the idea, uh, nothing, not everything we do has something is in destiny, but a lot of important things have somewhere connection based on the quantum physics, entanglement theory. We can attract each other. And I see life, say we get opportunities or we get somewhere things in life and the choice is what do you do with them? And that really focuses me. So actually when I was browsing through what kind of podcasts are there interesting to listen, I actually came up to yours. Yours is not ranked number one somewhere, I said, no, why do I see this one? I thought, okay, let's listen to it. I said, hey, wow, that's interesting. And for me, this sounds like, hey, this is how also life sometimes evolves. You get somewhere a signal and think, okay, what should I do with it? And I'm really glad I did because otherwise I would not be here. So this is where I'm coming from and this is how I do my work.

Well, first of all, thank you very much for all these kind words, but basically I started last October. It would be hard to be number one already. But just give me a little bit of time. We are getting there.

I can see another 3 months really. I'm kidding.

Yeah, we are getting there and this is growing very, very nicely.

So it is interesting. So within half a year, this is half a year, somewhere I hit on your podcast and then I'm looking at it and you see that you're on one of those sites so we could connect and think, wow, life is so amazing in that part.

Absolutely. It's a, it's an interesting experience, especially because I started it out of pure fun and pleasure because I like talking with people about spirituality. And I basically said, well, if anyway, that's what I love to do, why don't I do it, record it?

Yeah.

And other people can enjoy the conversations as well. And then the whole thing got a life on its own. So this is how, you know, how life is changing and transforming and we can never plan for it and we can never calculate it. But I'm still trying to process all the unbelievable information you gave in your introduction. And it's like basically 10 podcasts already.

Sorry, Philip.

I'm working on it. Just give me my hard drive is not that big.

I know, but my girlfriend, my current girlfriend says always, Chris, you already, you love to have multiple lives. You already had multiple lives. How many do you like to have in this lifetime?

The thing is, I'm actually not that different in a way. If you would read my— if I would start with my life story now, you will realize, oh my God, there are more crazy ones out there. But let's sort things. Let's go backward forwards because I think that will help us.

Yeah.

Right now you have this consulting business, this coaching business. I mean, you most probably do 10 other things, but the main thing is that you help people with this free brain system of yours to better understand, hey, what the hell is going on and which is the dominant problem, which is the dominant quality and how we can combine these things. That is my first question. What are like the most regular clients? Are they CEOs? Is this everybody, man, female, older, younger? So who's the one who is open to this kind of knowledge?

I would say 2 things because I come out of the business world. Yeah. I see CEOs, managers, and leaders as coaching because I'm a master certified coach in the International Coaching Federation. You have 60,000 coaches there in the moment. 2,000 are master coaches. I'm one of them. And so business-wise, I'm seen as top-notch in the coaching world. There I still use it, but say not in a spiritual way because the average Leader, manager, CEO is not something like, let's talk about quantum physics and let's keep it real, Chris. You have profit and loss, they're facts. The other part is say individual clients who just say, you know, I like to go from A to B. I have some things in my life that happened, PTSD. I'm now working. One of my clients that say that made impacts on me is say I'm working with a beautiful lady who has cancer in her throat. And has something like, you know, I know it's a physical manifestation, but if I look at my own life, there are so many, say, you can call it, she calls them traumas, that somewhere gives a disbalance in my body. So I'm always in a fight or flight response. Please help me. And then the 3 brains also right away made sense because logically she can perfectly describe, because she also went to psychologists, what happened to her and why it happened and how she should think about it. But their heart is still missing, say, the connection with their mom, because their mom was, say, not the most gentle person in this world, in compassion. Probably mom did everything with the best intentions, but not as the little child wanted to have. And their gut is just feeling a safety system of, I like to overcome this. I like to get my own things done. They have something like an internal, you could say, discussion or fight. As you last described, it's almost, I saw her this week, well, actually yesterday, it's almost like Elon Musk and Trump on this moment, Chris, how I feel inside. Now, if you now follow the news, you know what's happening there. And I work with her to align it. And after the session yesterday, I say, Chris, this is beautiful again, because there's something like a peace happening. And also with PTSD clients, if you ask what is my favorite ambition, I would say, bring Ariana Grande or Kim Kardashian or somebody else like to me. One, because they have their own traumas, like Kim Kardashian was robbed in Paris. Ariana also has her own PTSD, but much more also to bring, say, the concept of 3-brain intelligence to the world. Because the beauty is, it's not a theory, it is science. The science proves you have 100 brain cells in your heart. That's scientifically proven by Now, opening people. You have 500 million brain cells around your, in your whole viscera. So 100 million around your small intestine and the other 400 million connected with all the other organs. And they can make independent decisions. They can independently remember. And that is scientifically proven, period. And if we start working from there, and then besides the spiritual world and the energy world, It makes massive changes to individuals, but also say to the whole world, right away I would say, because the moment people would align with their heart, there would be less hatred, there would be less war, there would be less violence, because violence is really a gut-brain thing, fight and flight response. Okay, sorry, I was right away getting—

No, no, no, no, there I must a little bit stop you, because there's a, so to say, a slight question is coming up. You said that so many of you CEOs and the bottom line and the business people, they say, no, no, let's just focus on the stuff that's real, the stuff that is there. And this is then the contradiction to see what a lot of my viewers will agree on. If we all incorporate the knowledge and if we better, then we also will involve spiritually in this and that. But is it not a contradiction towards business bottom line in the current setting? So is there a conflict? of message?

No, there's not a conflict of message. I would say I use the Trojan horse approach. At the moment I'm there with them, they know I'm talking about 3 brains. So they know it, but it doesn't mean they embody it. The average person, if I ask, do you listen to your head, your heart, and your gut? The most person said, yes, of course. But saying and doing is twice. And the moment they become aware that in their decision-making, they are, and that is for every person. If you do the same 3 brains preference test, you come where everybody has somewhere preference. Only a few people have a perfect balanced score that they have their 3 brains and they're just as dominant. But even then, in some situations are not. So you always have a dominant brain in a situation. And that is good. That is great. If there's a fire, please have your gut brain dominant that you run out of the building. Please do so. Don't think, Oh, let's analyze this first. Let's first do a good analyze what's happening here. And if the fire is really hot, because in that moment you burn the stakes. So it makes sense to do based on what we learned in the past, our experiences, our belief systems sometimes makes the brain say more dominant and not flexible to let the other ones in. So the moment I start coaching CEOs, they come aware, hey, I'm actually using one of my three brains, and every CEO says, Chris, that does not really sound smart if I'm really always listening to one, is it? And I said, now this is a question probably I should not confirm with you because then I say that actually you're not smart. So I will postpone to answer this. And of course they start laughing right away. I say, Chris, yes. So they love it, but it's not say something they right away know because it's out of the scope. If you say to somebody, By the way, do you know we have actually scientifically 3 brains? People say, no, we don't know that. And they always ask, is that true? I said, listen to my sentence, scientifically proven. It's not something I made up on 3 o'clock on Saturday night after having a heavy dinner. So it is not known. So there's not an incongruence in messaging. It's much more In the business world, if you go to the average MBA or to a top-notch MBA to say it even worse, they're not in that realm. They're not in there. And when you talk about spiritual, if you talk about energy, that is something no MBA will touch. Well, your heart can be measured 9 meters outside of your body based on the electromagnetic energy. And if you have research, you see research that nuns who live in a monastery, Synchronize the period because the bodies are synchronized based on how they communicate with each other. And everybody in their world, if I say, did it ever happen to you, you entered a room where a bunch of people were there, whatever it is, and you came in and someone says like, hey, I sense the atmosphere is strange. And everybody says, yes. I know that from a party I went to or this or a business meeting. I said, okay, so how do you sense that? Do you smell it? Because nobody said something. You could not see all the eyes and get all their stories. So it's somewhere an interpretation of something that you received. And that's actually energy. Because every cell in our body emits energy. But that's what you don't teach on MBAs or in universities, because that is, say, less tangible. Although, It is all around us. So it's not strange, only they're not, don't notice it. But the moment they get to notice it, they love it. Because then in that moment they come over here, hey, wow, I can now use my 3 brains, Chris. That means I outperform most of my colleagues because they use one brain. I'm there. It's almost like they have a turbo in their engine. So that's why I say use this Trojan horse.

And it's so funny that you're saying it because I think you were a 3rd, 4th guest from that same background that, that uses the Trojan horse analogy. So that is really, really funny that this is something that is coming up and a lot of people have understood they wanna bring this forward. They know it, that people will highly profit from using the knowledge, but it just cannot come in the front door. So people trying to find different ways to tempt either in education or in top business coaching and other areas, hoping that this will bring a mind change. But then I have to ask you, if you have a minute to spare, what would then be your vision if MBA schools, Harvard, whatnot, would start teaching these things? How would you imagine that a world of tomorrow would look where every basic management training will include such knowledge? What would transform?

Okay, beautiful question. And you would say, you come to my vision and my big dream. To make it simple, do one step back. If you look at the 3 brains, the head is all about logic. It is the only part of a body that knows next week and last week, so it can do cause and effect analysis. It can predict. Now, where do we feel love? The heart. The heart releases oxytocin also. It's the lovemaker. It's the bonder. It is the one that just doesn't like to have a fight. It doesn't like to be rejected. Where's our gut instinct? That is me, myself, and I. And that's the fight and flight response that makes you win, that makes you Usain Bolt who runs the 100 meters in 9.85 seconds. That is really the, poof, the toughie. In most MBAs, they teach actually based on the curriculum to train the gut brain. You have to win, you have to be the best, you have to get ace. And a lot of logic is in there because they stuff your beautiful head with all kinds of marketing, finance, and all kinds of stuff. The head, the heart brain is less educated because even in, I say, I really like the IE Business School. It is a good one, but they have the program just like they have in Harvard. We stuff much more in the curriculum than people can do. So they have to make a decision what is need to do and nice to do, what makes sense. So they train almost people constantly on stress management, choose what is urgent, what's important. But based on that, collaboration is minimized. Because if I'm going to help you, Philip, to explain you something for 1 hour, it will cost me 1 hour of doing my own studies. So collaboration is not taught there. So if you now look at the world, so we have a logical world and we have a world that's me, myself, and I. As an example, I just came out of Qatar. Where I train a leadership training for the joint venture between TotalEnergies and QatarEnergies. I'm going back to the plane and you have to go with the train to another kind of terminal. And there, just before the train, and it's really interesting to see, the train says we're going to leave in 1 or 2 minutes, train is there, and there's a person lying on the floor next to a pillar with his head like this, his arm like this, and his phone Next to his left hand, or right, actually the other way around, right hand, doesn't matter. And while I'm going down the staircase, I'm seeing the person and I first think, hey, the person is sleeping there. That's strange that people are sleeping here in Qatar. And everybody walks around, it goes in the train because, yeah, they like to get the train to the other terminal. And I'm standing there, I'm really thinking, what is happening here? Nobody even that they look at the guy and just walk by. So I also look at the guy, I look around if there's somebody, and I was talking next to a person next to me, hey, should we do something? And he said, oh, but there's something like a guard, let's point him out. So we wave at the guard and the guard is like, come, come, come, come, come, come here. And now he walks to the person. And in that moment we decide actually also to go into the train. And while we step into the train, I'm talking to the guy, I said, Isn't it strange that we see somebody lying there who probably needs help, but we don't check if he needs help, but he's lying in a position that's not normal and has his phone not in his hand, but on the floor. So we could assume something happened and everybody steps in the train and doesn't do anything. Now we could say we waved the guard, but we also stepped in the train because we didn't like to miss the train. And the whole little trip to the train, I was like, Did I do enough or not? And that's actually the heart brain talking. So I felt, you could say, I felt guilty. Because in my opinion, I should have at least do something more than just wave to somebody and hoping that something would happen. How would the world change when you question if everybody would listen to his heart, then not everybody would have stepped in that train, but at least more people would have done something. And in the business world, it means we would not have toxic leadership. I need a promotion. Philip likes to have a promotion. If I now just put some gossip in there that Philip's actually not so nice, then I get a promotion. Toxic leadership. So the world would actually then create that people listen when they make a decision. Is it logical? Does it help me? And is it actually good for the people around me and for the environment around me? And that last question. We pitifully ask too less. What's the consequence for other people? So if they would teach it to MBAs and their leadership, that moral question of their own values would actually be in the equation to make a decision. It doesn't mean that we sometimes would choose for ourselves because that's still totally allowed, but at least we would be aware of the consequence of the decision.

Of course, this conversation, which will end here, would bring us so much further in the very complex questions of capitalism. And because if we look at, especially in Europe, small and quite big size, 100% family-run companies where like the owners have 100% of the stakes, they quite often make quite moral decisions that maybe even a little bit hurt their business. keeping maybe more employees because they want to support the village.

Yeah.

And they know they lose a bit of bottom line, but they're also proud being the big businessman of the village. And, you know, on Sunday church, they get the first row because, you know, they're somebody. But, you know, there's a price to be paid for that kind of a privilege. And then if you look at companies that are public, then there is no place for such kind of deliberation. And every top manager will come up with a conversation like this, that You know, maybe let's activate our heart and this and that. So we need this change. And maybe you're right, if we would bring it to the schooling, into education, and build a generation from the ground up, it could help. But I've heard the theory, and so just to finish this part of the conversation, I heard the theory that most likely strong ecological events will be the ones that are actually going to force us to make this more conscious decision or embed this.

Absolutely. You're right. And just the last word on that. There was already a book, Good to Great, from the Gallup organization 15 years ago. And it shows actually that the leaders I actually describe give the best return on investment in the long run. And what's the main difference? The gut brain delivers direct results, quarterly results, because they just use the whip. More, more, more. In long term, none of those managers last more than 3 to 5 years because they really squeeze the whole lemon to the last drop.

Yes.

If you have a heart brain, more heart brain or 3 brains thing, you have a long run thing. And I'm coaching an amazing international risk manager who's in charge of international risk management of an insurance company. He's already, you could almost say 10 years, the number one potential. The highest rankings. Why is that? Because actually he does 3-brain leadership. His team, he has the best engagement score of his teams. He got the best engagement. And why is that? His CEO of international trusts him to do so. So they gave him the trust to build it. So not from, hey, in 3 months it has to be done. And already 10 years he's outperforming everybody else. So it shows that it can be true, but only then you have to get your short scalpers from 3 months to maybe 1 year. And that's—

And there, there always have, I always in this moment say my naive little dream of a small boy in Vienna that any kind of bonuses given in stock auctions, that managers should just be able to sell them after 10, 20 and 30 years respectively, that would be more likely like a family-run business because they would have a long-term interest in the prosperity of the company. And a lot of decisions might be made different if they think that they can only sell their stock options in 30 years from now. But it's a small dream of mine.

No, but it is true. If they would say they become something like your pension fund and people would work there, they would have a totally different scope because then think, hey, I have to invest in the company that over 10 years, 20 years, it's still flourishing. And that will give a totally different focus. And you can see in football yesterday was, or the Champions League last week, Alex Ferguson from Manchester United, who's the most famous coach in the UK, was 7 or 8 years coach of Liverpool. And you could say he was an inclusive coach. He was, Sweet for his players, strong for his players, but he played all the 3 games. We have to be logic, we have to be sweet, and sometimes we have to be tough. And that made him a long-run great trainer. You can see that happening. So yeah, it makes sense. And I really would sign up for your dream, Philippe, to make it a 30-year plan.

It would be wonderful. All right. So I'm more and more getting a little bit Sadly that we don't, we'll have the time to go in your more than exciting life. That would be a podcast on its own.

Let me make a new podcast if you like it, Philip. I'm totally open for it. I love the conversation and I know there's a lot of things always can, we can share from different kind of perspectives.

Because you have such a, such a strong life story, such a dynamic life story with ups and downs, and then all of it in the end brought, collected the knowledge that you have today and that you can share. And, um, that you can give to others. And that's always the, the, the root. This is my problem with the world right now. People like you, people like me, and so many others, we went up, we went down, we went left, we went right. Some went more up, some went less up. But we have scars on our heart, our soul, and we overcome these things. And now we are talking from a point of compassion and experience. But this, there is a new trend that I've been observing the last couple of years where it's very slick, very overprofessional, no mistakes, no wrong steps. Everything is so tight. And this basically is the contradiction of what you're preaching because they must probably have, they cut all the hearts and they're just techno cuts.

Yeah.

And I worry for the world in which direction it's going if there's so much technocratic leadership.

It makes sense. And if you look at personal people, I would also say, like, everybody knows Tinder or whatever kind of thing, or Instagram or whatever kind of social media is now all about the outside. We make a picture of ourselves and then we're going to actually Photoshop it so we both look better. So we're going to remove our wrinkles, we make a smile a little bit bigger, and we Why? But it is now a trend in there. You're right. And we have scars and about the scars. And I had yesterday in my training a discussion about it when people say, Chris, you got a heart surgery last year. You live extremely healthy. And my metabolic age is 44, 15 years younger than I am. And you still had the heart surgery because you had the genetic malfunctioning heart valve. So how do you deal with that? Of course, that's, you could almost say unfair. And I say, you know, some things in life we could label as unfair. And then I right away think of Viktor Frankl's extensionism. I think, I said, I, of course, I say, I was not happy with it. Let's make it clear. And I was a few months, say, less happy person in this world, especially when I had to do my surgery. Now that also, I'm not the most happiest person in this world. I said, but I always say life gives you lessons. And I like to get, say, what did I learn from this out of it? How does it make me say, whatever better means, a better human? I said, so for me, all the scars we have are not only something to be showing off. Look at my scar. Is your scar bigger than mine, Philip? Let's compare scars. It's not about competition. It's more, hey, what did you learn from your scar, Philip? How did it transform you in becoming actually a more whole person? And what always keeps me, and probably also you, say somewhere, still smiling is that I believe that the scars, if you use them as a learning, we become better people. Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, Nietzsche said. But actually also, if you learn from it, you become a better person. So yes, the ups and downs.

Exactly. This is You almost took my last question basically, or the last chapter, because I'm always very fascinated by spirituality the way I see it and whatever you transform it and how little, how much you do in your coaching, which I think is quite a lot anyway. But let's say how little, how much. What always fascinates me is the inward-outward motion. And I'm sure you're very keen aware of it that you maybe sit, read a book, or you do a coaching, you do all of these things. So you have this inward process, And then you flip it to the outside. And I'm always very keen how people address this inward-outside motion. And so my last question basically would be to talk a little bit what mechanisms you have in place, how you check in, how you observe over time your coaching, how this inward-outward process continues. Because sometimes people are very motivated during the coaching. They're very motivated to learn something new. They get all of this excitement, but the real quality of a coach, if I may say so, Yeah. is the implementation to make it stick for an extended period of time. And also within this question, do you look at things like maybe, I don't know, cleaning up rivers or giving back to community to also implement these things? Is this part of your idea, the pledge of giving and stuff like that? Is this stuff that you address if it's appropriate to, to feed back the inner growth with the outer growth? So these are the, the context of the questions. You take what you like.

And by the way, first I like to say, I cannot agree with you more that it's almost an obligation of a coach to create long-lasting change. And not in all my slides when I do a presentation for whatever kind of organization, I always say you have success, you have success rates and happiness rates. Happiness rate is, oh, how happy am I with this podcast? Or with this coaching, the success rate is after one year, did it still has an impact on you? And success rate is for most high. There's a happiness rate is for most things high, but success rate is low. Psychology, 35%. McKinsey, Bain, Boston Consulting Group, 41% maximum in culture change projects. Coaching, 55% in long run. Hypnotherapy, 55. All maximums, eh? Success change after a year. That, for me, that is, if my dentist would say my effort success rate in replacing a filling is 55%, I would rightly run away. If my heart surgeon would have said my success rate is 55% to do a proper job in doing the operation, I would have said, no, no, no, no, you're not going to put a knife in me. So we find that And 100%, almost 100% accuracy in ordering at Amazon, doing shopping online, going to the grocery store, finding a professional is normal except in the soft skill world. So for me, that is top-notch what you say. And how do I check in? And that's what I love, really love from the 3 Brains. Logically, a lot of clients say in the old way from, if it's now Consultancy, psychology, coaching. They say logically, yes, yes, of course, I will make an action list. And the action list we do on the 1st of January. Okay, I'm going to eat less, drink less, sleep more, be more nice to my kids and my wife, balance my work, balance life. Within 2 weeks, more than 95% skips it because it's a logical decision. There is no backup from the heart or the gut to say, you know, we have to go through these kind of little changes. So when I do coaching or therapy or work with people in general, I always check in if the 3 brains say yes. And when you really check in if the 3 brains say yes, and now it's not like, hey, does your heart and head and gut say yes, Philip? Of course they say, how do you mean they say yes? It is a little bit more, you say, complicated than that. When you see that happening, there's a total alignment in the client. Yes, it is. And actually, you could almost see my belief around it changed. Then it happens because if their beliefs change, it pulls you to the new direction right away. Most people try to go through a belief system by repetition. Now, that is Having a huge stone going uphill. The moment you change your belief, it's almost like going downhill with that stone. The stone just rolls by itself. So that's a check-in. And if that happens in the other side of the thing, then change lasts. And then you see after 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years, people still do it. Sometimes, especially in Australia, because I moved there 4, 5 years ago now, And I talk to people who I saw in my training and we did therapy work on each other. And they say, Chris, do you still remember the training of when you did in 2015? I said, wow, that's 10 years ago. Help me a little bit. We worked on this topic. Oh yeah. How are you doing with that? It's amazing. Since that session, it's still changed. Already 10 years, Chris. And I was like, oh wow. I still have an oh wow feeling of, oh wow. So it works. And so, yeah, so it's a check-in. Secondly, bringing back to say, whatever you do now, say for myself, I love to do the good things, but based on what you already said, we both have so many things on our little plate that now what happens? But if we coach people, train people to be like this, they're starting doing much more great things. The person has said that international risk CEO, has in his team in Budapest where he works, does massive things of giving back to the community also. So his whole team there has every month half a day or one day voluntarily, they help to clean up, they help to do this, they help to do this. So they bring a culture of, hey, it's not only earning money as an insurance company, it's also giving back to the community. So he leads That way. So for me, I love to coach people and train people. Start rippling out around you.

By the end, this is the key, what you just said, because this I can believe. If you, if you, if you, if you do the inner work, it has to be related to outside action so that we have the proof of concept. And when you as a team leader motivate them or go further and say, do some cleaning from time to time or do some of this work, This is when it becomes real to that inner process that you have done. And it just speaks to the quality of the things that you do that you were even considered thinking about it. Because I talked to a lot of people where this is not even part of the equation. They, you know, they do that thing, they beat up the brain, they multiply the brain, they do all the brain smarties and, you know, et voilà.

Nou, voor mij, ik altijd in every training zeggen, dat was nou in een katana training. En ik zeg, if I explain myself who I am, always say my last sentence is: my mission or vision in this life is to leave this world a better place than I found it. And it means for all of us. So I like to motivate people, make this world a better place because your kids, your grandkids, somewhere. They will ask you, what did you do? What is your answer? Now, I accumulated a lot of money. Okay. And what did you do for the rest? No, no, no, nothing. But I have a beautiful house, beautiful car, a massive bank account in Switzerland, not in Austria, but in Switzerland, your neighbor country. Yeah. And how does it help us? Nothing. Yeah. But the beauty is, and we all know it, in the last days of your life, you'd rather have your friends around you. than a huge bank account. But pitifully, most people only realize it in the last days on this earth. And it would be so beautiful if they come aware of it at this age. And that's also my mission. Come aware what you would say in your last days of your life.

Absolutely. Well, this is a wonderful ending for this 1-hour conversation. That I wish this for all of us to constantly, and I could not agree with you more than I can possibly anybody agree. It's one of the things that I'm saying for years to myself, be ready every day to go and go with a smile and have your house in order in so many legally and mentally and emotionally. Don't leave anything unsaid. Don't forget to thank everyone so that when it's time to go, that you have your house in order.

Well, that makes so much sense. And I always find that what's the easiest thing we can do, and I would right away encourage everybody who's listening to you, let a smile be your umbrella. So when you go out and go have a coffee or do something, just smile to people. It will change right away already the energy in the field. And it's so amazing. And it is free. And by the way, if you smile, it releases also oxytocin in your own body. And oxytocin is extremely beautiful Uh, helps you to boost your immune system. So smiling helps to boost your own immune system. It's free. And you make other people happy now. So that would be, say, my cheapest advice to everybody else. And we Dutch love cheap.

And it's a very Dutch thing to say.

Absolutely. That's why I say it's so Dutch. It's cheap. It's free. Come on.

It's such a Dutch thing because when I, when I was living in Vienna way back and everybody was grumpy in Vienna, we are famous for being grumpy. And I had a friend who was Dutch and he was running through the city with a smile and everything, you know, people couldn't help it. I mean, he just attacked them with a smile. And yes, he, he lighted up every room he was in because he's just, you know, the way he's at. And it is so effective, that's for sure. We could talk for hours.

Absolutely.

That is absolutely clear. And I'm sure we, we scratched half of the stuff that you would like to say. I will put all the information and everything down there on the link. But we've just nearly scratched the surface of the depth of your knowledge and things that you do.

Filip, that just means I'm going to stalk you to want to be one back on your podcast in a couple of months. So be aware of that. Okay.

That would be very lovely. I like to be stalked. Thank you so very much. Okay.

Thank you so much, Filip.