Your 3 Brains with Christoffel Sneijders

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Welcome to the Deepak Saini Show. I'd like to thank J23 for our intro music. You can find a link to her music in the show description. My guest today is Christoffel Sneijders, and I totally probably butchered that, but he'll, he'll pronounce it properly in a second. Christoffel is a renowned expert in human behavior and transformative change with a rich background in psychotherapy, clinical hypnotherapy, somatic therapy, energy therapy, coaching, and NLP. He empowers clients worldwide to overcome challenges such as leadership issues, burnout, PTSD, anxiety, trauma, and addictions. He's the founder of the International 3 Brains Intelligence Coaching and Leadership Academy and author of the bestseller Relationships: Which Brain Is Talking? Christoffel, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much, Deepak. And you're pronouncing my name for English-speaking audience perfectly. Like if you're Dutch, then the people would say, oh, it's Christoffel Sneijders. But that's only those 14 or 18 million Dutch people who know that. All the rest of the world just pronounces it.

Okay. Well, I'm glad I got it right. I'm glad I got it right. Awesome. So I'd love to start with, and you don't know this about me, we've never really talked before, but I also have a little bit of training in NLP and hypnosis and that sort of thing. So great, great to have you on. But how did you fall into this type of work? I'm sure when you were growing up, you probably wanted to be, I don't know, a football player or, you know, soccer, what we call here in North America or something like that. But how did you fall into doing what you're doing?

Absolutely. I'm born and raised in Amsterdam. So, and they love soccer there. So also my dad and me had the dream I could play soccer. based on my qualities, really, you know, like to put me on the soccer field. I've got a lot of talents. That's not one of them. And so actually, when I started to work and I started in IT because I finished university and they said, you can have a car, nice salary. The only thing you have to do is make some software. I thought, let me see, I'm 22, I get a car, a nice salary. Okay, I joined. So I started making software, started that and An international software company making software and went all good, but became aware within a year that I love to talk, to talk to people.

And somewhere programming and talking to people are not, say, 2 things that join together.

Yeah. So in the project teams, they made a really quick decision that you're going to be a software tester, intermediate with clients, all this kind of stuff. keep your fingers off the keyboard. And while doing so, I came aware actually that working with people was much more my passion. 2 jobs later, uh, somewhere I said, you know, I was in the beginning of 30s. I thought I'm going to follow just what my passion says because I was in that moment leading a little team and I really loved leading a team. And the people in the team said, wow, you're really a great manager. And I thought, I am. Uh, I've never had an education for that because of the business administration. I'm a good leader. Why? Now, and then that moment I came away from an international training company, that moment number one in Europe. I said, you know, I wanted to hire them and I said, you know, I'm going to work for them. Long story short, I came in, I could work for them and I started to train people in leadership and in sales. And part of it was coaching. And in that company they said, wow, Chris, you have a talent for coaching. I said, really? How come? What did I do good? Really totally oblivious from why and how. And that started some of the journey. And many years later, I still remember that one of my clients, a volleyball professional, 2 meters tall, really Dutch Dutch. And he had a fear of going to tunnels. Now, if you know Netherlands and the water, there are a lot of tunnels there. So in that moment I thought, how can I help the guy? And I struggled and we did a little bit, but we struggled. And that moment I said, so I, I think I know a lot, but probably I don't know really a lot. From that moment I started to follow NLP, hypnotherapy, and all kinds of other kinds of modalities. What is really now happening? What is happening with people? Why can I not go from one place to another place? Why can I not just let go of some phobias, limiting beliefs, or other kinds of things that happened in life just as easy? Because of course, nobody, nobody really thinks, you know, that that tunnel will break down right away when you go underneath it. The construction in the Netherlands is rather good. Nobody would right away think, you know, this is going to happen or that is going to happen. So as you know, you did NLP logically, We don't have fears, but we still have them. So I came aware, say, that what we think and what we feel is, is, is 2 stories, right? The somatic part of, of the education I did.

Right.

And then really all those, all those things together, it just came forward and forward. And in one moment I moved to Australia 14 years ago. I emigrated. 4 years ago, I immigrated back to Spain. And on that moment, really thought, you know, I'm going to go from putting all my knowledge somewhere in coaching because I'm now old enough, gray hair enough to put it all, to really put it all in. And I really created a coaching school where we teach all those things I learned that we now call 3 Brains to people. This is why people get stuck and don't get stuck. So that, that's a beautiful story. In between, I got a burnout and some horrible divorces that also put me on my knees. That helped me to learn from, okay, so if I think I know and I have an almost burnout or I go really downhill based on divorce, means I still don't know enough. And that transferred me in all the little modalities, you know, from NLP is not the only answer. Hypnotherapy is not the only answer. Energy therapy is not the only answer, like Reiki or other kinds of things. But they all are little building blocks how we as humans somewhere operate.

Right.

That's a long story. And I have got now 30 years of history right away in a couple of minutes done.

Yeah. So, uh, Christoffel, you mentioned, uh, the 3 brains. So maybe you can tell us what is special about 3 Brains Intelligence and your academy.

Actually the same as you just said, how many times did you not meet somebody, Deepak, who said, you know, I know I should do it, but somewhere something is holding me back. If it's now limiting belief or—

Oh, every day. I mean, multiple times a day. Every day.

It is. So, and it doesn't, it does not logically make sense. And then of course, you got now, as they say, some So some popular streams from Bessel van Kolk and Peter Levine, all kinds of things. And the body keeps the score. The body has a memory. And I know when I was following Peter Levine and some NLP gurus like, um, Robert Dilts, something like 8 years ago. And I know still it was Robert Dilts, he was talking about it and that the somatic body, uh, would stop us. And I still remember that I asked Robert Dilts, he's really one of the hotshots in NLP and wrote the whole dictionary about NLP. He said, Um, um, dear Robert, um, the somatic body says no. Where in the somatic body we say no? And they looked at me and said, that's a really good question. I don't know, but the body says no. And I thought, you're such, you're so smart and you don't know why the body says no. Because for me, it's always something inside us must be in charge. Who's in charge?

Yeah.

We talk about the subconscious. Where's the subconscious? I don't know. So I came aware by luck that we have a second brain. And it's not, say, the gut bacteria that is now so popular as a second brain, but really our whole viscera. So underneath your diaphragm and above our reproductive systems, or including our reproductive systems, that's a whole neural network there that is the size often of a dog brain. And it can make independent decisions. Michael Gershwin wrote a book, The Second Brain, 30 years ago. And I thought, oh wow, we really have, say, scientifically proven brain can act independently, store memories and make decisions.

Wow.

An independent decision to make it simple. You can see, you know, that knee jerk reaction. You have your knee like this, they hit your knee and your leg jumps up.

Right.

Now your head doesn't know because you have, say, actually 2 nerve systems. to make it happen. And in between you have a mirror and a motor neuron that somewhere makes a decision to do the knee jerk, and it does not communicate even upstairs to your head. It happened. Now in your gut, you have somewhere the same, only much more complicated system that a signal can come in, and somewhere in your gut they make a decision. Will I follow or not follow? Better do it or not do it. And when I knew that, I thought, That's interesting. And somewhere at the same time, I became aware about research of heart transplants and that heart transplants, that people have a heart transplant a lot of times also change of memory, change of likes, a change of dislikes. And I became aware of HeartMath and I thought, why does nobody know about that? The HeartMath Institute that really follows the science of the heart.

I love, I love, I love the HeartMath group. Yeah.

Okay, you love it, but a lot of people don't know about it. And HeartMath really dived into that. And I thought, okay, so we have a brain between our ears. That's what we know. We have one in our heart with HeartMath and all the research shows we have one in our gut. And that moment I thought, okay, so we have 3 brains that can actually act independently. And I started to start researching what do they do and don't don't they do? I came where there's almost nothing written about it except one book from an Australian guy who pitifully died just before my book was released 4 years ago. Well, I came aware, uh, with, with Houtem actually, hey, our 3 brains have different kinds of evolutionary responsibilities. And you can see that actually right away, one-to-one to the neurotransmitters and hormones they release. And the beauty is what is unique from our heart Just like in our head, actually, it can release oxytocin. And oxytocin is the love cuddle connect hormone. But that is not produced by your gut. But your gut can produce all the other neurotransmitters almost to survive. That is, that's why it's called actually also, where's your autoimmune system? Where's your immune system? In your gut. Because your gut can actually act independently. So based on that, I started creating and learning and listening and coming aware. Now based on that, these are the functions. This is why, why they came from evolution. Okay. So this must be the responsibilities. And while researching that, I read the book of that Australian guy who also did a lot of research on it. And actually my, my findings were the same as him. He came from an actually an NLP route because he was also an NLP guru. And we had the same findings. I said, oh wow, okay, if 2 people find it from the same way from totally different directions, it must be somewhere true. And by validating it, I still remember I saw a clinical psychotherapist and a hypnotherapist, a friend of Robert Dilts, um, in, in, in, in when I followed his course in in America. And I discussed with him and said, Chris, what you say makes totally sense. And according to me, it's totally true. And I started to, starting asking more and more people and people said, makes sense, must be true. And I got more validation, more validation about it. Only it's never scientifically proven that they have this, but logically evidence-based research shows it is true. And if you know that, then actually it becomes aware why people got stuck. When we have a fear of rejection or we have rejection issues, it's always connected with the heart. If you have some survival kind of issues from past events, whatever happened to you, from bullying to whatever, they got stuck in your gut. And the beauty is, and if you then think about, say, your work, my work, helping people, where is time located? So where do we know past and future?

Right.

Only in our head. Only our head knows past and future, and it's actually in between the 2 hemispheres. So when you have PTSD, that part actually also gets disconnected. The research shows that when you have PTSD, that part where awareness or time is about the event is actually disconnected. It cannot light on when people think about it. Your gut and heart don't, do not know time. They're almost like the, the, the, the average dog we have or, or cat we have. So the moment you start working with somebody and you start to say, quote unquote, working with the person to educate, in my words, educate the heart or the gut, the past is past. The problem almost disappears like snow for the sun. Because the moment the heart thinks, oh, hey, that was 30 years ago, it just drops the issue. Because it's not now anymore. And the same with the gut. So I came aware, say, when you work with people, a lot of serious issues can be solved extremely quick. But every time I have to say, still puzzles me, yeah, because then people work with something for 20 years, you see them 2, 3, 4 times and think without joking, they don't have an issue with it anymore.

Right.

No one thinks of it. Almost every time I ask, are you really sure you don't have an issue anymore? I said, yes, Chris, I'm really sure. Why do you ask? I said, because 5 times or 3 times we saw each other ago, say 1 month or something like that, you really were almost crippled by this. And I'm still puzzled that in 1 month or maybe 2 months it's gone and it was there for 20 or 30 years. And they have the same as you, Chris. I don't know why it is, but it's not relevant anymore. It's almost like it's compartmentalized in the past. not able to access for now anymore, except say, I know that it happened like normal memories.

Right?

That's the whole story, where it's coming from, and how you can use it and say, what makes it so unique?

Yeah, I love that. And, you know, obviously, we have similar type of backgrounds. So I'm totally understanding. But, but for the, for the average listener, who might be like, what are these guys talking about? You know, maybe you can just, you know, I think people conceptually understand the 3 brains now that you've explained them. But maybe let's make it a little bit more relevant to the audience. of like, you know, how can this make a difference in someone's personal health, happiness, success, you know, that sort of thing.

And that's it. I train a lot of coaches and also leaders and then say, um, I still remember I had a coachee and vice president of HR of a huge insurance company. And we start to work together. And one moment in session 3, he said, Chris, I have an issue with my colleague board member. That's okay. I said, what, what's the issue? And somewhere we became aware that the issue was actually that the, his colleague board member resembled him to when he was 9 or between 9 and 11 to a schoolmate who was a quote unquote the bully, not a friendly person. So in his current life, mid-40s, he had something like, you like, like some, you're, you're, you have resemblance with somebody I know when I was 10 years old. Uh, that, that guy was really a nasty guy. And so now, 35 years later, I have an issue with working with you together. And when we had that, when he had that tiff, he said, Chris, this is really stupid, but I cannot stop it. And the moment we worked on it and we just, uh, made aware, say, that in his gut system, that this past, that somewhere that compartment of bullying was 35 years ago. And that now his board member was just an innocent guy who didn't know anything about 35 years ago, right? In one session, it just fell out of the whole bandwagon. So from that moment onwards, they, I will not say they became best friends, but they really started to appreciate the board member and start working together with him and all this kind of stuff. And those little things just happened then overnight. Same if people say, uh, and that's more in the therapy world, and you see that pitifully a lot of times, especially for females. They had, say, sexual, um, negative experience, sexual abuse when they were younger, and they use, say, weight as a compensation mechanism and then actually as a protection mechanism. I saw it massively in Australia also. Half of the people had a weight issue, or females, some had a sexual abuse history. And it really puzzled me. But that sexual abuse was also 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago. But say the body still had that protection mechanism alive. And I still remember a woman came in and I worked for her actually for stop smoking and something else 2 years earlier. She said, Chris, you have to help me. I said, that's okay. With what? She says, uh, I went to a wedding with my sisters. lost 20 kilos based on a massive diet.

Right.

So I could, I could fit the dress. I'm there on the wedding. A guy like, you know, an average guy says, oh wow, you look great. I said, and I got a panic attack, panic just as, and then I became aware, oh wow, almost flashback 35 years ago. And because an uncle was saying, I'll say a little bit, a little predator. He said, Christoffer, it doesn't make sense. I'm now in my mid-forties. Actually, now I've come aware since I'm 14, I have an overweight issue. So it's connected with that. So that's 30, 31 years ago. It doesn't make sense. And I'm on a wedding and just, just normal guys just gives me a sincere compliment, nothing else. No second thoughts about it that I look good and I have a panic attack. Now, on that moment, we worked, say, on reconnecting with, with actually with her gut feeling that it was past tense, that the gut did not have to protect her anymore from that uncle of 31 years ago.

Right.

And in 2 sessions, really in 2 sessions, poof, it dropped. She didn't have the fears anymore. She could just think. And I saw her say 6 months later, she lost again 20 kilos because in that in-between period, She was on a milkshake diet to gain weight again. So she lost 20 kilos. When I saw her, she was already back 15 kilos back on score because that's why I feel good. I saw her 6 months later, those 15 kilos was gone again. She said, Chris, it's amazing. Now I walked over here, 2 construction workers were whistling at me and actually I was smiling. She said in the old days, probably I would have been jumping behind the car, getting my pepper spray out and spray them. Yeah, I'll just smile and think, oh wow, it's nice.

You know, Christoffel, I find it amazing. You know, I see this quite often with particularly maybe women more so than men, but you know, when there is some, whether it be sexual abuse or bullying or something, that the weight puts on as a defense mechanism, as that armor to protect her, you know, at an unconscious level, right? Protect us. And the other thing I want to mention, you know, for the audience too is like These modalities, uh, you know, Christoffel has way more experience than I do in this, uh, realm, but how quickly the change can happen when you, you know, like you said, 2 sessions, 4 sessions, we're talking just a matter of hours. Something that someone might be struggling with for decades can be, you know, wrapped up in weeks or days even, right? Amazing.

It is crazy. And I can tell you a personal story. So 2 months ago, I got, say, an open heart surgery, malfunctioning, uh, But I inherited one of the valves. And after the surgery, I got, say, arrhythmias. So one part of my heart was beating at a different speed than the other one. I can tell you that it's freaking amazing, awesome, scary. When the upper chamber is thinking, let's do 90 beats a minute, and your other, your other chamber says, let's do 60 beats a minute. I can tell you, I didn't have a panic attack, but felt like it. And I was like, I don't know what's happening, but Let's, let's start writing my will. Anyhow, got medication for it and I had already 2 wires going out for an external pacemaker. So it was all under control in the hospital. So a couple of hours later, I'm thinking, what is actually happening? Because say, some of the surgeons said, you know, it's normal, but it is probably stress-based. And I thought, stress-based on what? I don't have stress. My first reaction, I don't have stress. Then I came aware, actually, I always said, you know, if people test me now, I would, I would have had ADHD. I would have been, say, a little bit of those FOMO guys. And I was lying there in my bed in the hospital thinking, I always said I am, but just imagine I learned. So at 1 o'clock in the night, I was really doing a deep dive in my own history. And I have to say the medication helped because I was totally Zoned out. So no critical thoughts.

Yeah. You're, you're, you're in a trance state almost with the medication.

Yeah, I was already in the trance state induced by medication. And I came actually aware what I did not come— what I didn't know, say that in high school, primary school, actually I had, say, some issues with my, with the new teacher I got. So I was more sent to the hallway than following the class based on my, say, highly energetic mood. And I remember my The written reports actually says not about ADHD, but an overenthusiastic boy. Like, they always called me like a young, like a young puppy dog who's just overenergized and just is full enthusiasm jumping to everybody. And I thought, okay, so I was full energized, but it changed somewhere in negative ADHD or FOMO thoughts based on what happened there. And during the night, and I have to say thank you to the induced medication I had, I started to do actually what I learned and do with all my clients on myself. And I say the medication helped because I could almost compartmentalize myself. And between 1 o'clock and 5 o'clock, I'd say, quote unquote, I worked on myself, right? Then I fell asleep based on medication, I have to say. And the next morning I woke up, actually, I felt totally good. And I could say since then, and let's now say 5 weeks ago, I'm still enthusiastic, as you can hear. I'm still full energized. But that other feeling from I'm missing out, I have to put my energy in there. I have to please because that was something like somewhere a little system behind and not getting rejected. I have to please just fell totally off the bandwagon. And I still and I really had some like am I there just now pretending this is true or is it true? So girlfriend, people around me said, yeah, Chris, you're still energized, but it's just like the energy is coming from a different kind of place. And I thought, freak, it also helps for myself. Like, I will not say use the same medication to get self-induced trance states.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not going to say that, but I came aware, say also by myself, it works. And you, if you see it outside yourself, it's fun. It's great as a coach or therapist. But if you can even do it to yourself and become aware of the same changes, it's almost like I have to say, then really had the epiphany of, oh wow, really it works. What is of course strange after we did it already for 5, 6, 7 years to other people.

Right.

But I became aware it works for myself and I really was like, so I had this belief, past tense, and in a couple of hours the belief somewhere is compartmentalized in the past. And it just works like that because my heart, in this case, my heart, where's the rejection part in? And just thought, you know, that is this 40 years ago, Chris, 50 years ago. You can just drop it. Probably if you ever like to find that teacher again, she's not there anymore in her life based on 45 years ago. So why would you still keep that pleasing behavior there? that she likes you. Totally crazy. So, the pleasing behavior just dropped off the bandwagon. It's just amazing.

It's, since again, I'm more new to this than you are, but I'm just so amazed about some of these therapies and how quickly, like I said before, it can be used with someone. Christoffel, you did mention, you know, about your recent, yeah, you know, Hospital trip with, you know, with a genetic heart condition, etc. I think that's a good segue into, and, you know, maybe not what you're doing right now as you're still recovering, but before. Again, this is not a health podcast, but I do like to ask my guests, like, what does their morning routine look like? What do they do for their health? So what do you do either right now or maybe before?

Actually, what I always did before already say, I would say, I won't say I'm a health freak, but say I had, say, my coconut drink, my healthy breakfast, uh, something like a little meditation time. So I really have my time when you wake up to have somewhere that space in what you eat and what you think for yourself, just to ground yourself back again.

Yeah, I love that.

Because I know in current times or where we live in, the first thing you do is picking up your phone and thinking, who WhatsApp me? or whatever. And why do you go? You go in a different kind of energy mode. And if you become aware of it, and I love to do that when I'm sitting, say, having my breakfast, I'm putting my feet on the floor and think, do I feel my feet on the floor? Or am I really, say, almost like floating? What most people are. And it is something like, hey, wow, I'm, I'm not there. Okay, let's bring yourself down there, Chris. Just become aware of your whole body, ground yourself, be there, let your energy flow. Because actually what, you know, if you know, if you know, chakras or whatever, whatevers, we are, say, one energy system. But if you, if you do research even in chakras and you measure it, what you can measure it based on our energy systems, you can come aware actually how your energy is flowing and where it's flowing, where it's more or less, right? And the beauty is if it's really more up where we are in our head and those kind of stuff, you disconnect a little bit from your body. Yeah, you could almost say it's the eye movements for NLP that you put your eyes up and disconnect from your body. That's actually also what's happening for a lot of time. So we have to bring ourselves down and that's what I love to do. So, and not now because I'm just still recovering, but before I always had said that the weekly routine of twice going to the swimming pool, doing my runs and all this kind of stuff. And the beauty is when I was in the hospital and I did the stuff and those kind of things that the surgeon, most other people say, besides the side effects I had, your recovery is doing so great. And I still know one of the, one of the, the second surgeon who came in said, Christian, doing this, this, this, you're doing great. How did you do that? And so how's your life system? He's like, you asked, and I said, this, this, this, this. He said, that's all. He said, we cannot scientifically prove it, but what you did for your health and taking care of yourself, really resembles now in the way you recover. And I'll say, absolutely, you know, it occurs over and over again, your collarbone and all this kind of stuff. He said, because it goes actually extremely quick. I said it had a side effect that I had, as I say, a liquid buildup in my lung is just because you have, uh, you get blood thinners. And if there is something still like an inflammation, what happens if you got a heart surgery, the liquid can can release much easier because it's not based on blood thinners. Now, I said, that's just, that's just bad luck because it doesn't have to do anything with your recovery system. But the beauty is I had, say, 3 liters next to my right lung, and I was in the hospital, and the guy said, how can you breathe? How can you walk? How can you do the things you do? Normally, when people have 3 liters of liquid there and you only have such a little amount of lung capacity in one lung, you're lying here out of breath Screaming from give me some air in my nose. He said, so based on what you did and how you treat your body, we can just see that your body is strong enough actually to deal with this. It doesn't mean we keep it like this because it's really unhealthy, but you can work on that. So I came away and said my morning procedures, my taking care of my health really, really, really helps. And also during say lunchtime and evening time, I do my best to say, to check in and what I call in my training, what you call NLP rapport. Am I in rapport actually with myself? Am I in connection?

I love that. Are you in rapport with yourself?

Yeah. Because we always talk about rapport with somebody else. Are you in rapport with yourself?

That might just be the title of the show. Are you in rapport with yourself? I love that. I love that.

And it makes so much sense. But You're doing podcasts. You see so many people and you see so many people. How many people are really in rapport with themselves? They just go out on the street and just look around. People are actually totally disconnected from themselves. They disconnect, whether it's now from their phone or from their things or other kinds of things for themselves. Like if you, if you're sick or you had a surgery like me, you need medication.

Right.

That, that, that helps in recovery. But there are so, so, so many people who take medication on a daily basis while they are actually not sick.

Yeah.

But have depression, anxiety, uh, whatever kind of stuff. And now with the obesity, I will not say, as I said, based on sexual abuse, that obesity is your own fault. I will never say that. But it is somewhere disconnection from yourself because your, your gut brain likes to protect you. And the gut brain has a few simple things to protect you. Fight flight, fight flight or freeze, or put food into your system. Your gut brain is all about digestives. They get more energy there, hence overweight. But if you go say to all the kind of crazy stores to eat too much, if it's now Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonald's, or whatever kind of, it's actually disconnection from yourself.

Absolutely.

Gut brain doesn't like to have that. In your gut brain, if you really listen to your own body, and I came aware of it also the last 6 weeks because I had a side effect of the medication that makes me nauseous. I came aware what does my body want to eat and not like to eat. I'm almost, say, a vegetarian. And at one moment I was craving for meat because actually I had a low iron status in my blood. Then I really wanted vegetables. Then I really wanted to have something with more energy. And I really was thinking, I said to my girlfriend, I said, it's almost like my body is guiding me what it needs.

I think more people need to listen to their body and what they actually need, right?

Yeah. And I really became aware of that by my own experience. If you really listen to your body, it tells you what you need. It needs maybe a little bit more this, a little bit more this, a little more this. But nobody would say, hey, my body says, hey, give me, say, a double cheeseburger, please. Nobody, there's nobody who says, give me just 1,000 calories in one little bite unless you just ran a marathon, maybe. Maybe then even those people don't eat it. But somewhere, if you're disconnected from your body, you get into that system. You don't listen to it anymore. So when I work with people actually, and it's actually, and you said it, it was a beautiful title. Now think of it, it's a beautiful question. Are you in rapport with yourself? And it doesn't matter if you're a leader, a coach, or just like us normal people. That question is really relevant to yourself.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think more people need to be aware of that, how to answer that for themselves, which I think leads me to my next thing I want to say is just as we wrap up here shortly, Christoffel does have a gift for all the listeners, a discount on his 3 Brains coaching coach training. So maybe, Christoffel, you can just very high level, what does that entail? What does that training look like?

The training looks like, it doesn't matter if you're a coach, a leader, or I would say again, a normal person like us, like we're not, say, coaches or leaders because we are. That's actually, you learn And now first, a little bit of the science of the 3 brains, what we just discussed, but just to get everybody on the same page. But much more, how can you coach yourself or others? And coaching means connecting with people as whatever role you have to work with them or with yourself, just to release that, to start communicating, to listen to your own 3 brains, how to get that rapport with yourself. But also when you talk to somebody, come aware What kind of language do they use? Because when you talk to somebody, if whatever kind of job you have, you become aware that the other person is talking much more from their head, their heart, or their gut about the topic. Or maybe are they a bit mixed up? And you can also talk about from 3 brains. And when you know that, you also know how to actually communicate better with the person. In NLP, we talk about submodalities. As you know, I am more inner dialogue and in your head. I am more kinesthetic. I am more visual. So I see what you mean. I feel what you mean. Oh, I know what you mean. Those kinds of 3 words, right?

Right.

But actually, when you think about it, you can use that, say, quote unquote, submodalities also on your 3 brains. And still the knowing part is there. Do I really know what it means? That's still the head brain, but also the heart brain. What does this mean for your connection with other people? Why don't you do it? Or why do you do it? And your gut brain is much more, how is it beneficial for me? And you hear it in language. And in that moment, you can become aware how you can talk to people better, how you connect with them better, and how you can much more find a comparison and a connection about the outcome for each other. Because as you know, most arguments we have is actually about miscommunication because we don't understand each other.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

So, so that, that's what you learn. And then 2 things more we learn in that training. It's actually now what I did on myself and do with other people. How do you work with people who have a belief system that keeps them stuck, relationship-based? And how do you work with people who experience a highly impactful event? I don't call it, you can call it popular trauma, but then you really start about trauma work. I don't like to push it. There can even be your education, um, that, that keeps you somewhere stuck. It's not the belief system, but hey, I always had to do that to survive. I always had to do that because it was the best. I always had to do that to, now, whatever it is. And you learn actually how to release those in a simple thing. That is the thing I did between 1 o'clock and 5 o'clock in the morning.

Right.

And when you follow that training, and it's every time stunning when I do the training and people have something that they come into learn it to work as a leader, coach, or just as a student or as a, as a, even I had somebody who came in and say who was selling flowers at a beautiful flower store. So they like to learn how to connect with my clients better. They come in and always say, Chris, I learned actually to become a, to be in more rapport with myself, become aware I had some old beliefs, some old, some old stuff in me that I thought was me. And I come away, I learned it and now it's gone. That's why you learn how to work on yourself and work with other people. And it's a really condensed training and I love it because it's everybody who comes in never know that there will be transformation for them happening.

Yeah, I'll just say this, you know, I think people, myself included, when I did my training is like you come in for one purpose, and you find out there's so much you get from it yourself as well. And everyone, you know, the discount code, if you want to take up Christoffel on this offer to go into his program, will be in the show notes as well as all the other links that you can get ahold of him on his website and his social media handles and follow and follow the support work that, that, that he's doing for sure. So also, just before we sign off here, don't forget to check out today's show sponsor as well, everyone. And before I thank Christoffel here, you know, I'm gonna throw it to J23 who's gonna guide us out with some music. Christoffel, I want to appreciate you for being on the Deepak Sangha Show. It was a wonderful conversation. We could talk for hours about NLP and hypnosis and stuff like that.

Absolutely.

But maybe we'll get you on for a round 2 at some point in the future, perhaps.

Okay. So only one thing. If people join me or come onto my website, you can do a free little condensed test. Or assessment to come aware which brain is the most dominant in yourself.

Oh, that's good. Yeah, people check that out.

From which brain are you talking? And so which brain is actually in normal life in charge of you when you make decisions? And that is really amazing if you come aware of, hey, oh yeah, actually follow more my heart in decisions, follow more my gut or my head in decisions. There's no right and wrong, but helps you actually come aware, okay, to which brain should I also listen more? Because it's not about that you like to balance them out, but they should listen to all 3 of them if you make a decision.

Absolutely. So everyone, I, I, I, that's amazing.

And it's fun. I always say it's fun because people, uh, if we do that and they say, and they have feedback with people about it, they all say, Chris, when you explain it, it actually makes total sense why my life is as it is. Why never, why did nobody ever explain that to me so easily? I said, I really don't know. And I would have loved to know that by myself 30 years earlier.

Absolutely. I'm gonna do the quiz myself. I'm gonna go to the website and do the quiz myself. So I suggest all listeners check it out, even if you're not super interested in training or coaching. Just, hey, it's a fun little quiz. Find out for yourself where you're at. And maybe that intrigues you to think more about if you're in rapport with yourself. So Christoffel, again, thank you for being on the Deepak Saini Show. I appreciate it. Everyone, thanks for listening. Remember, exceptional results for the exceptional you. Till next episode. This episode is brought to you by Bioptimizers and their Herbal Parasite Guardian product. Now, I don't take this too often, but if I'm going to Mexico or some other, you know, Caribbean nation or someplace like that where, you know, the food's maybe a little iffy, I'll take this along with me and pop a couple of these after I have maybe a questionable meal, maybe from a food cart or something like that. So again, it's just something nice to have in the arsenal. So again, you can check out the link here and get 10% off this product or many of the other products that Bioptimizers has. I love their magnesium, I love their digestive enzymes, and so on. So check it out, the link here for 10% off or more.

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