A short podcast conversation exploring the distinction between organized religion and personal spirituality, using a hospital chaplain’s anecdote to show how many people reject institutional religion yet retain belief in God. The speakers link this shift to wider social challenges—rising loneliness and weakened communal practices—and argue for the continued importance of shared practices, mutual shaping, and visible care (e.g., someone praying for you) to sustain meaning and connection.
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I worked at Good Samaritan Hospital in downtown la, in the Westlake area near downtown. People will often say to me because I go in as a chaplain, they'll be like, oh, I'm not religious. But they'll talk because I'm like, I'm just here to listen. And whatever you mean by spiritual, whatever gives you strength and hope and meaning. And people will then at the end of our time will say, oh, can you pray for me? And I'm like, oh, but so how do you do that? They said they weren't religious and they're like, oh, I'm not religious, but I definitely believe in God. And they, because they, and they'll say things like, religion doesn't come from God. It's something made up by people. Because so many people have been hurt by churches and they still adhere to that context, but they no longer want to participate in that community. And they're like, I have my own relationship with God and I personally think that is as enriching and fulfilling a way to live your relationship with God by yourself. For me, we need to be with each other in these things. We need to do them together and we need to shape each other together in them.
What's so interesting is all the data shows that, you know, religion is in decline. Like people are less religious, but it's because the question is flawed. Right? Are you religious? No. Do you believe in God? Yes. But to your point, which is perhaps part of the challenge in our modern day and this sort of increasing rates of loneliness, we're not even always 100% sure our friends like us, let alone to believe that someone is praying for my well being, that sense of care that I matter, that somebody's willing to take time. For me, it's a small but very powerful thought.
