How Adam Went From $0 to $30K MRR in 5 Months Running An SEO Agency

What's going on, guys? Andre Hakel Jr. Here from client Ascension. Back with another student spotlight interview here, my good friend Adam Hamden. What's going on, brother?

Nothing much. Thanks for having me.

Awesome, man. Absolutely. Dude. I've been hearing lots of good things about you, bro. I know. We just talked and recently closed a deal on getting you down here to Tampa for our next event. We're doing an intensive workshop event here in April that we're super excited about. Rumor is there's going to be a boat similar to the event in October of last year. So we're pumped to get you down here, bro, and get to meet you in person and work on your business in person. But for our audience listening and tuning in, I want to make sure that they get value, especially from you, because you've just had so much success recently. So I'm sure you have a lot of wisdom to share with them. And so to get us started, bro, can you just let us know a little bit about who you are and what you're currently working on?

Yep. So my name is Adam. I run an SEO company for SaaS companies specifically, and mainly just B2B companies. I run the SEO agency, and then right now I'm building a software on the side that is for SEO companies. But that's. That's what I'm working on. 19 years old. I stopped at college after getting my associates, so basically college dropped. 19? Yeah.

Oh, dude, you look way older than that. Like, in a good way. Obviously, with your business results as well. I mean, that's in. That's insane, dude. Congrats. Thank you, dude. So. So tell me, how'd you hear about Client Ascension? It seems to just be attracting. Like, I just had Eamon on, who's 19 years old. He's doing over 93 grand a month with his YouTube content agency. Like, where are all of you guys hearing or finding out about Client Ascension?

Yeah, I've been following you guys for, like, three years probably. So I've been doing cold email for a long time, just trying cold email. I never did it successfully until now, but I've been following you guys on Twitter. It all came from Twitter or X. And I tried entering Client Ascension about a year ago. I just. I couldn't afford it at that time. I had, like, no capital. I'm still in high school, but so I knew about you guys, like, the whole time.

Saving up for prom and everything.

Yeah, exactly. Saving up to rent a tux. Finally, when I did have the capital, I was like, how should I use this, well, Client Ascension, I've always known about them. I think they're killers. And it was even higher than I expected. But basically just Twitter.

Yeah. Dude, that's crazy. So you had the thought in your mind to join the program over a year ago?

Yeah.

Wow. And then the game plan, since you weren't able to join right then and there was to basically work towards being able to join.

Basically, yeah. I've always wanted to enter, like a really good coaching program.

Never.

I always knew Client Essential was probably like the best coaching program. So back then you guys didn't have a guarantee, I don't think, or it might have been different. So then this new guarantee, I saw it and I was like, let me save up for this. And I did.

Yeah. You knew it would work out either way.

Yeah.

With just how the program was structured and whatnot. That's awesome, man. So tell us a little bit about what happened during that year leading up to you joining the program because I know a lot of people listening to this right now can super relate to what you just said. They're younger, they're newer to the agency space, and they know Client Ascension is the right thing for them and their business. They're. They just can't afford to join right here now. Which makes sense, right? Coaching programs are not cheap. They're not a low level commitment. Like you have to be all in and you also have to put your money where your mouth is. And not everyone's ready for a decision to do that today. But it's not to say that they can't do that a year from now. So if you're, you know, in the shoes of the audience saying you're out from being able to make this investment, like, what do you actually show up and do on a daily basis, monthly basis, to make that happen?

Yeah, during high school, I tried the agency thing. So like, this agency was technically a couple years old. I started it. I kind of failed. So I was trying all these different things. I was always doing entrepreneurial things, as we all have, you know, drop shipping, et cetera, et cetera. So where the source of income came was I. When I graduated, I got a job. It was just a really like low level data analyst job. It was a corporate job technically, but I got lucky with the way I got the job. But yeah, I was just going through college and saving up and I mean, the investment wasn't. It was big to me back then, but now I'm looking at it, it's like not that big of an investment. So I Didn't have to save that much. I saved just enough for maybe the first month or two. And that was after like a year long period of working that kind of corporate job. But yeah, I only had a month or two to pay and I paid it and it worked out. So.

Yeah. So what was the thought process is you'll pay the first month or two and by then just following along the program, you'll have the money to pay the rest.

Exactly. I would pay the program with the business.

Yeah. I mean that's kind of by design, right. I think that's the way to approach these programs is they should, if the program is doing the correct things and the timelines for everyone is different, but the program should obviously be getting you an ROI and therefore paying for yourself to your point is exactly what you're able to do. So first off, congrats on that because not everyone's able to do that. But I guess with making such a big investment like you said, and not knowing whether or not you can pay month three, month four, you know, five and six, whatever, what are the things you do early on as soon as you join client ascension to ensure that you're going to see the results you need to stay in there.

Yeah, specifically if you're doing cold email, I would say start sending emails as soon as possible. At least get everything set up as soon as possible because there's a lot of waiting times. Not just setting up the accounts and doing all that stuff, but also follow ups and working with leads. Like one of the things that hit for me was you guys teaching that it takes a few weeks to a month to close a really good deal. Unless you're just stumble upon on someone who's like ready to buy. So I was like, well, if I need to give myself two months to close the deal, I need to start like right now. Sending out emails, talking to prospects, getting people in the pipeline and, and then during that entire time I can work on things like my funnel, making everything pretty and perfect. Most people, they try to make the perfect funnel and then they start sending emails, et cetera. I would say do it in the opposite order so that way you could set yourself up for success. I would like that's the best way to go about incline ascension.

Yeah, absolutely. I agree. I, I say like start before you're ready, you can start and then fix and perfect things later. And I did a podcast interview a long time ago and I don't know why this still stuck with me, but the guy said on the interview like best piece of advice is too many entrepreneurs, they spend all their time aiming and they never actually get the chance to shoot. Like they miss their opportunity to shoot because they're so concerned about where they're aimed. And he was just saying like, just shoot your shot and you can aim it on the way there or whatever. It was just really good advice that made you think like, stop spending all your time like here, just shoot, man. And you're.

One of my favorite, one of my favorite books is called Ready, Ready, Fire, Aim. So instead of like ready, aim, fire.

Exactly, exactly. So like the concept is so backwards to most people, but that's like how you have to approach entrepreneurship. Another great example of this is like what's an entrepreneur? It's someone that could figure out how to land safely after jumping out of a plane with nothing. You first jump and then you build something on the way down, which is a high pressure environment. So I guess how as a 19 year old do you deal with these things with the stress and anxiety and pressure that comes from being an entrepreneur?

Honestly, I mean, for me, I know you might relate to this. I don't know about the audience and this might not be best for the podcast, but I believe in God and I trust in God a lot and that removes a lot of anxiety and stress. I think the more real answer at the end of the day, a lot of people just let it get to them. It's just, it's all, you know, it's all non tangible. None of it's in reality. So I'm able to eliminate that. My age isn't really a factor for me. I just think of it as a game. I think that's the best answer. It's really just a game to me. And it's like, it's a really fun game, especially when you're inclined ascension, doing all these things but working on your different attributes, your Landing page is one attribute, etc. Etc. It's a really fun game. So if I treat it as that. Totally fine.

Exactly, bro. Literally the two things you just mentioned are exactly how I've played this as well. And I started an entrepreneurship pretty early as well. I started like when I was around 16. I didn't have success until very recently. So you're way ahead of the game. I started early, but it didn't have success as early as you did. But the two things that kept me in the game and kept me going and with a positive mindset was like you said, like it's just a game at the end of the day. And so like, have fun. That's why you play games, is to have fun. And so if you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong. And then number two, it's like, I can only control so much. I can only do so much. The results are out of my hands and in God's hands. And so if I just trust in God's plan and God's timing, things will work out the way they're supposed to, maybe not the way I want them to. And so you could probably relate to this. And I think it's perfect for the audience and for the podcast because any of anyone listening that has some business experience can relate to, like, being so frustrated about something in the moment. And then a couple months go by and they realized that was like, the best thing that ever happened to them. Like, one of the best examples I use for this, bro. It's like when we started our agency, we couldn't sign a client to save our lives. And I was like, why, God? Like, I'm doing everything. I'm sending the emails, practicing the sales calls, like, doing everything that I can think to do to sign a freaking client. And I just couldn't find one. And I couldn't understand why. And it wasn't until six months later, 12 months later, that I realized that we were not ready to take on clients. Like, we had no organization or idea what we were going to do when we got the client in the first place. And so God was basically protecting me from ruining my reputation if I were to get those clients. And in the moment, I was so frustrated because all I wanted was clients. But I realized if I had got clients in that instance, I would have failed the rest of my career. And I say that in obviously an overstated way, but, like, it's just crazy when you think back to some of those moments of frustrations. It's like it might frustrate you and upset you in the moment, but just trust where this is all going and continue to just do the things you can show up and control, which are the inputs instead of the outputs. Right. And so I love that that's where you're focused and centered in, because that's what's going to take you far, bro. Like, seriously, out of all the things we'll talk about in this interview, that's what's going to help you to outlast all the competition, which is really the only strategy you should care about.

Absolutely, I agree.

I'm excited. So just a little bit of clarity I'd like to bring up here so when you joined Client Ascension, did you already have an agency or you were working on or what did that look like?

Yeah, so I started the agency like two years prior to joining Client Ascension and that failed. I did that for months. And then I was doing cold email mainly, but my volume was way too low. I had a completely different mindset. I didn't really know what it was, even though I thought I did. So I kind of shut that down. But I did work with a couple clients for free. Case studies. Cause that was kind of the big thing. Hey, work for free, get case studies. You don't need payment right now. So I did that and I was. I'm pretty happy I did that. I had some business processes in place, some templates, some spreadsheets. So it was very minimal stuff. And then I had two case studies, but that was. That was the business prior to Client Ascension.

Wow. Okay. And so you joined Client Ascension. What are some of the things you do immediately upon joining that like, start to lead to some of the results you're now seeing?

So right away, set up the cold email accounts, did all of that.

And then how many did you set? Up?

So many. I had like 150 plus at every single moment of any time. And then the next.

I think our Recommendation is like 20.

Yeah.

Which I still think is way too low.

Yeah.

But most people are not even willing to do that.

Yep.

You said 150, bro.

150, something like that. Yeah, 150.

Think about that. You do that in every category. You 7x or 10x the amount that is expected of you. What do you think the results are.

Going to be exactly.

Like, why do you think you're on this interview? It's no surprise. If you just look at the inputs and you don't even tell me what the outputs are, I could predict every time what they're going to be.

Exactly. You know, one of the best things that that happened was the Client Ascension business health audits that we have monthly with our students. Exactly.

Like, why do you think you're on this interview?

Success coach for the viewers. You know, he forces us. Chris. I love Chris. Chris forces me to like, look at all the numbers. That's what your program entails. You have to line out all the numbers, you have to look at them. You have to look at your reply rates, positive reply rates, all the numbers that you kind of look at. But you don't really assess every single.

No, it's no surprise. If you just look at the inputs and you don't even tell me what the outputs are. I could predict every time what they're.

Going to be exactly, you know, one of the best of the month. So after maybe two months assessing these numbers, we've developed a way where if we send X amount of cold emails, we know we're going to sign X amount of clients. So all I had to do is hit that target number of cold emails and then it became very easy. All I need is this many email accounts with this script, sending this many cold emails. It's like predictable revenue, you know what I mean?

Yep, yep. It's a game like you said, it's literally a video game.

Yeah.

At the end of the day, that's awesome, bro. So cold email is a big focus. Is that where most of your clients come from now?

Right now? Yeah, all of them. But I'm expanding to ads right now. But I just started.

That's huge, bro. That's huge. That's awesome. So cold email was one part of it. What are some other areas of the program that like you really dove deep into? I think you talked a little bit about the sales side, maybe the cold email scripts. What are some other things that you did to get to where you're at?

So first the process between sending the cold email up until even after the sales call. So that process of automations sending a pre call sequence, getting them ready, like the calendly sequence, all of that, that's really valuable because it makes you look like a brand authority back then, you know, just give them the calendar link if they schedule. Okay, I'll see you in two weeks on a sales call.

The sales process that you have in place though, and really what that's doing is preventing opportunities from falling through the cracks. Right. Because you could get someone interested in a cold email campaign, but that's like half the battle if even if that, the rest is getting them scheduled. And then once they're scheduled, you still don't have it in the bag because show rates nowadays are like 60 or 70%. So it's almost like a 50, 50 split that that person will even show up for the call. Unless you have a proper sales process in place, which is what you're describing.

Yeah, exactly. The other two really big things, sales. David, he taught in the program how to just like not care, how to become more of an authority. Especially after you get your first couple of big deals, you really start to have more confidence. So it's like a whole psychological shift that this program brought out of me that became really easy. And then the third is the fulfillment side. Of things made everything super easy, so I wasn't ready for that confidence. So it's like a whole psychological shift that this program brought out of me that became really easy. And then the third is the fulfillment side of things made everything super easy, so I wasn't ready for that.

Yeah. I'm curious, what are you doing on the fulfillment side? You said SEO for SaaS, like what are some things that you do on a day to day or maybe a weekly basis or monthly basis to improve as a service provider for the services that you're doing?

Yeah, me personally, I'm not doing anything day to day in the service side, except just sending stuff to clients and client communication, which is, you know, a blessing because I have a manager that manages most of it.

Yeah, I'm curious, what are you doing on the fulfillment side? You said SEO for SaaS, like what are some things that you do on a day to day or maybe a weekly basis or monthly basis to improve as a service provider for the services that you're doing?

So what that does is it allows me to kind of open up my mind and have freedom to think of how to better every process. So that includes becoming better writers at certain clients business. It really freed up my mind in the beginning. I was doing all writing, all the content, doing all of it, and I didn't really have any space to kind of optimize things.

Got it. Okay, that makes sense. And yeah, I mean, having someone in place to really handle fulfillment so that you can focus on sales and marketing and just kind of thinking of the overall direction to take business in is so huge. And most people never even get to that point. So the fact that you got there this early on, you're only 19 years old, like super, super impressive stuff, dude. I want to kind of rapid fire through some numbers here. So when you joined Client Ascension, where were you at in terms of revenue with the business?

Revenue, I went down to $0 a month. Yeah. Me personally, I'm not doing anything dayto.

Day and join at zero.

Join at zero.

Yeah. Okay. Wow. Okay. And how long ago is that? Two or three months.

How long ago from today? Yeah, Five months as of yesterday, I believe. Five months.

Okay. Time flies, bro. Okay, so you've been here for five months. What was the, you know, how the.

Server side except just sending stuff to clients and client communication, which is, you know, a blessing because I. I have a manager that manages most of it. So what that does is it allows me to kind of open up my mind and have freedom to think of.

How to better talk about wildly important goals. What was that first wildly important goal you set with your student success coach?

The first one was 20,000, I believe.

And you say first, so that was already hit.

Yeah, I hit that month three.

Okay. And then did you set a new one?

Yeah, the new one was. It was only 30,000. I don't know why we only increased it by 10,000. But yeah.

And that one was hit as well.

That one was hit about a month ago. Yeah.

Okay. And then what's the new one?

The new one is 70,000.

70,000. That one we're still waiting on.

Yeah, that one we're waiting on.

Yeah. That's awesome, bro. So for the audience out there, wig is a wildly important goal. So anytime you join a program and I recommend you do this if you're inclined to send for every process.

So that includes becoming better writer.

If you're not, it doesn't make any difference. Every business owner should have a wildly important goal. And I did an audio message in Client Ascension last week talking about, like, what is a wildly important goal? Really? Because I even think some people in Client Ascension miss what this concept is. They just look at it as another goal.

But like we at certain clients business, it really freed up my mind in the beginning. I was doing all writing all the content, doing all of it, and I didn't really have any space to kind of optimize things.

Got it. Okay. That makes sense. And yeah, I mean, we don't call it a goal. We call it a wildly important goal. There's a reason for that. Like, we're not wasting words. And so wildly important goal is something that is wildly important to you. And it's unfortunate because I don't even think we could talk about, like, why your wildly important goal is a certain revenue level because it's kind of leading to an event that hasn't happened yet. Maybe we'll have you on here and I think you know what I'm talking about.

Okay.

Yeah, so Chris told me about this. You're like, wait a second. Don't worry, I'm not going to say nothing.

All right.

But we'll have a follow up maybe sometime later and we can even having someone in place to really handle fulfillment so that you can hold this back from releasing until. Until that's done if we need to. But yeah, like wildly important goal. Maybe talk a little bit about how the goal is not just a number, there's more to it. And how that kind of helps you to focus on sales and marketing and just kind of thinking of the overall direction to take businesses up every single day and put your best foot forward. Yeah, it's so huge. And most people never even get to that point. So the fact that you got there this early on, you're only 19 years old, like, super, super impressive.

This is interesting because I was writing ideas about, like, future tweets about this if we ever look back on it. The wildly important goal is so genius. I mean, Chris has really a really good job at it because Chris, like, kind of pressures you. He's like, hey, are you, are you going to hit your goal and do this or are you just going to, you know, be a loser or whatever? So. But yeah, it makes you look at the goals as kind of intangibles, tangibles, but not like revenue specific. So the first one is, you know, I need to be able to pay my own bills and pay all this stuff and have a fully operating business.

While I want to kind of rapid fire through some numbers here, able to.

You know, pay myself, make a profit rather than X amount of dollars per month. There's like a full, you know, lifestyle that you're kind of achieving the second goal, you know about what it is that it's like something really important.

So when you join Client Ascension, where were you at in terms of revenue with the business?

Revenue, I, you know, it's moving my life forward. So obviously went down to $0 a month.

So you join at zero.

You joined at zero. Yeah.

Okay. Wow. Okay. And how long ago is that?

The goal is going to be more valued in my eyes and then, you know, like 70K. That's probably when I'm able to move to an owner perspective where I'm kind of like driving the business from a very high level and doing very high level things. So that's kind of what I'm focused on. Rather than just 70k.

There's more to the number. It's not just a number. And because if it's just a number, like, dude, when things get tough, you're so much more likely to just quit. A number is insignificant. At the end of the day. It might seem important, it might seem cool, but like, and you see this all the time on Twitter. You probably saw it for the three years that you were following us. Like, everyone's talking about like this 10k number and like when they hit 10k, everything will change. And yeah, it might seem like that when you're not at 10k. And then when you get to 10k, if the two or three months.

How long ago from today?

Yeah, only Reason to get to 10k was to get to 10k. You're gonna.

Five months as of yesterday, I believe. Five months. Okay.

Time flies, bro. Okay. Gonna be kicking yourself because nothing, you're not gonna feel any change or any sense of achievement or fulfillment. So for you, like you came into this program, yeah, you probably wanted to hit 10k and you did, but like knowing that it wasn't just for the sake of that number, but for something much more important to you. So you've been here for five months. What was the, you know how we talk about wildly important goals? What was that first wildly important goal you set with your students significant to you specifically? That's why I think you're able to race towards these wildly important goals and have three or four set within the six months that you join. Right. I think that's a huge achievement within itself is most people join client ascension, they set a wildly important goal. And you know, every goal is different because of where they are, are in their business when they join to where they actually want to go. Everyone has different goals. But like, I haven't heard a scenario in which someone's had to set their wig three different times because they've hit it so many times in that first six months.

The first one was 20,000, I believe so.

So that's awesome, dude.

Yeah, totally agree.

Awesome, man. So a couple more questions here for you. I want to kind of turn it back to the audience and make sure these guys are getting tons of value. Especially because we're, you know, sitting with a really successful 19 year old SEO agency owner. I mean, it's just the coolest thing, dude. Your age, I think the audience is. And you say first. So that was already hit.

Yeah, I hit that month. 3.

Okay. And then this is gonna feel the same way and just be shocked at where you're at and what you've accomplished. But what's one piece of advice you'd have for other students in the program? Because as you know, any coaching program you can join and not see the results that you did. You set a new one.

The new one was. It was only 30,000. I don't know why we only increased it by 10,000. But yeah.

And that one was hit as well. That one was hit you might be hearing about on an interview like this. What's your advice to those people that might be going through it or suffering in silence is kind of the words we like to use so that they can wake up tomorrow or even today, jump right back into the program and do some of the Things that have worked for you.

Do you want specifics or kind of.

Overall, let's go specific. For the people watching who are inclined Ascension and for people who are watching, Metal event should be in there. And then we could take it high level. I'll have a question for that.

Specifics. Volume. I'm big about volume. Literally just about a month ago. Yeah.

Okay. And then what's the new one?

The new one is think of how much volume you could do and then double that and do that. If I have 20 email accounts, I could probably do 40 email accounts. Okay. Do 80. Just like go insane on volume. You'll see results come in. The other best thing is probably the video sales letter, the VSL focus on that. I guess honestly in the program I stopped showing up to the coaching calls. I don't really have the time anymore. So just don't overthink it. Just do a bunch of volume.

Love that, bro. Love that. In the beginning, I'm sure the coaching calls were very valid, were super important to go to. And at a certain point, you know, after you hit two or three of your wigs, it starts to get a little more busy for some other things that you have to take care of. That's awesome, man. And, and so higher level, what advice would you have for just someone that's new to the agency game?

Higher level. Kind of what we were talking about earlier. Treat it like a game. Don't, don't overthink it. So I noticed that sometimes I attach my personal life with the business life. So if I'm not treating the business as its own conscience, if the business is kind of dipping, you know, my personal life, I'm dipping. I'm getting stressed out. I'm getting, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So if you separate your business and your personal and you let your business kind of be its own conscience, then your personal life, you shouldn't have a ton of stress at 19 years old. It's pretty unhealthy. So I would say just separating that. I don't know if that's good advice, but that's what I do and it helps.

Oh, absolutely, bro. Absolutely. I think keeping things separate and having all these things backed by faith as well just root you so deeply into again, like not being able to be pushed over or like taken out of the game because of some short term loss or some short term damage or suffering or setback. So again, like super impressed by your maturity and your mindset and the values that you hold while building this business.

Like I'm 70,000.

70,000. That one we're still waiting on.

Yeah, that one we're waiting on.

Yeah. That's awesome, bro. So for the audience out there, wig is a wildly important goal. So anytime you join a program, and I recommend you do this if you're inclined, ascension or if you're not, doesn't make any difference. Every business owner should have a wildly important goal. And I did an audio message in Client Ascension last week talking about, like, what is a wildly important goal? Really? Because I. I even think some people in Client Ascension miss what this concept is. They just look at it as another goal. But, like, we. We don't call it a goal. We call it a wildly important goal. There's a reason for that. Like, we're not super bullish on you, bro. So excited to see what you're able to accomplish.

By the way, that's. That's probably the biggest thing. You just said it that. That came to mind. Not being knocked out of your game, that's like the biggest thing because you. There is a game you have, and it's like when you're in a flow, and then when you get knocked out of that, I think, you know, wasting words.

And so while the important goal is.

It'S going to sound super abstract to anyone who's not experienced it, but it's actually a. It's a real thing where you need to kind of recover. And that skill of recovering back on into your flow, I think that's probably the most important skill.

Absolutely, bro. I love it. Well, awesome, bro. Thank you for spending time with us here today. I'm really excited to see just how your journey continues and unfolds.

I know you have a lot of.

Exciting things coming up in your life, and I just can't wait to see some of these. While something that is wildly important to you, and it's unfortunate because I don't even think we could talk about, like, why your wildly important goal is a certain revenue level, because it's kind of leading to an event that hasn't happened yet. Maybe we'll have you on here. The important goals get hit again and reset again just to see how you continue to level up. And. And really what you're doing, bro, more than anything, is inspiring this next generation of students. And. And I think you know what I'm talking about.

Okay.

To go from where you were when you first started, which was. Was at zero, to where you are now, which can open up the opportunity to so many amazing things that life has to offer. So just know that you're doing that through just sharing your story here on. On our channel and just taking action every single day. That's another thing, dude, that I wake up every day motivated by is not just a revenue number, but like more of an impact opportunity just by showing up and doing these certain. Yeah. So Chris told me about this. You're like, wait a second. Don't worry, I'm not gonna say nothing.

All right.

But we'll have a follow up maybe sometime later and we can even things I'm able to inspire maybe just that one other person that was where you can hold this back from releasing until. Until that's done if we need to. But yeah, like wildly important goal. Maybe talk a little bit about how considering whether or not they should stay in. In another day. So just know that you're doing that too, bro.

Thank you, Andre. Thank you very much.

Absolutely, dude. And as. As a last question for our audience here, I know I'm excited again to. To follow along as I've said. And students inclined ascension reach out to Adam and connect with him in Slack. That's your best bet. But for anyone outside of client ascension, where can they find you and follow you online?

I think I would push my LinkedIn the most but honestly, I'm not too active on any social medias. I would say just I do check my Twitter DMs if you want to DM me on Twitter and talk to me.

Awesome, bro. The goal is not just a number. There's more to it and how that kind of helps you to show up every single day and put your best foot forward.

Yeah.

Well, hey, thanks again for spending the time with us here today. Super inspiring story. Keep crushing it and maybe we'll have you back on here in a little while and talk about WIG and how.

This is interesting because I was writing ideas about like future tweets about this. If we ever look back on it.

Everything went and what you're up to next.

Thanks, Andre.

Hey, thanks, Adam. Appreciate it.

The wildly important goal is so genius. I mean, Chris does really a really good job at it because Chris like kind of pressures you. He's like, hey, are you. Are you going to hit your goal and do this or are you just going to be a loser or whatever?

So.

But yeah, it makes you look at the goals as kind of intangibles, tangibles, but not like revenue specific. So the first one is, you know, I need to be able to pay my own bills and pay all this stuff and have a fully operating business while able to, you know, Pay myself and make a profit rather than X amount of dollars per month. There's like a full, you know, lifestyle that you're kind of achieving the second goal, you know about what it is that it's like something really important, you know, it's moving my life forward. So obviously the goal is going to be more valued in my eyes. And then, you know, like 70k, that's probably when I'm able to move to an owner perspective where I'm kind of like driving the business from a very high level and doing very high level things. So that's kind of what I'm focused on. Rather than just 70k.

There's more to the number. It's not just a number. And because if it's just a number, like, dude, when things get tough, you're so much more likely to just quit. A number is insignificant. At the end of the day. It might seem important, it might seem cool, but like, and you see this all the time on Twitter. You probably saw it for the three years that you were following us. Like everyone's talking about like this 10k number and like when they hit 10k, everything will change. And yeah, it might seem like that when you're not at 10k. And then when you get to 10k, if the only reason to get to 10k was to get to 10k, you're going to be kicking yourself because nothing, you're not going to feel any change or any sense of achievement or fulfillment. So for you, like, you came into this program, yeah, you probably wanted to hit 10k and you did, but like, knowing that it wasn't just for the sake of that number, but for something much more important to you and significant to you specifically. That's why I think you're able to race towards these wildly important goals and have three or four set within the six months that you join. Right. I think that's a huge achievement within itself is most people join Client Ascension, they set a wildly important goal. And you know, every goal is different because of where they are in their business, when they join to where they actually want to go. Everyone has different goals. But like, I haven't heard a scenario in which someone's had to set their wig three different times because they've hit it so many times in that first six months. So. So that's awesome, dude.

Yeah, totally agree.

Awesome, man. So a couple more questions here for you. I want to kind of turn it back to the audience and make sure these guys are getting tons of value, especially because we're, you know, sitting With a really successful 19 year old SEO agency owner. I mean it's just the coolest thing dude your age. I think the audience is going to feel the same way and just be shocked at where you're at and what you've accomplished. But what's one piece of advice you'd have for other students in the program? Because as you know, any coaching program you can join and not see the results that you might be hearing about on an interview like this. What's your advice to those people that might be going through it or suffering in silence is kind of the words we like to use so that they can wake up tomorrow or even today, jump right back into the program and do some of the things that have worked for you.

Do you want specifics or kind of.

Overall, let's go specific. For the people watching who are inclined ascension and for people who are watching model eventually being there. And then we could take it high level. I'll have a question for that specifics.

Volume. I'm big about volume. Literally just think of how much volume you could do and then double that and do that. If I have 20 email accounts, I could probably do 40 email accounts. Okay, do 80. Just like go insane on volume. You'll see results come in. The other best thing is probably the video sales letter, the VSL focus on that. I guess honestly in the program I stopped showing up to the coaching calls. I don't really have the time anymore. So just don't overthink it. Just do a bunch of volume.

Love that, bro. Love that. In the beginning, I'm sure the coaching calls were very valid, were super important to go to. And at a certain point, you know, after you hit two or three of your wigs, it starts to get a little more busy for some other things that you have to take care of. That's awesome, man. And so higher level, what advice would you have for just someone that's new to the agency game?

Higher level, kind of what we were talking about earlier. Treat it like a game. Don't, don't overthink it. So I noticed that sometimes I attach my personal life with the business life. So if I'm not treating the business as its own conscience, if the business is kind of dipping my personal life, I'm dipping, I'm getting stressed out, et cetera, et cetera. So if you separate your business and your personal and you let your business kind of be its own conscience, then your personal life, you shouldn't have a ton of stress. At 19 years old, it's pretty unhealthy so.