How Lucas Scaled His Agency To $18K/mo & Going From A Beginner To A Mentor

What's going on, guys? Welcome back to a Client Ascension student spotlight interview. This is kind of like an interesting one because it's more of like an expert coach spotlight interview because Lucas is a really unique case study within Client Ascension where he went from being a student to now being an expert coach for the students in the program. So what's going on, bro?

Yo, how's it going, man? Yeah. Nobody excited to to be on this? I've seen so many of these, but post on the YouTube and stuff already and they're always really sick. And yeah, I'm excited now to be.

Part of it, dude. I have so much fun doing these interviews and just learning more about the people that make up Client Ascension as to what it is now. So real quick for our audience out there that's listening. Who are you and what are you currently working on?

Right. I am Lucas. I'm the landing page coach inside Client Ascension. I joined as a student at the end of December and my scaled my landing page agency to about 18k a month or so in that time from basically zero. And then kind of demonstrated some of my abilities and skills and knowledge to the guys in CA and they hired me on as a coach. I've been doing that for a while now, teaching the students about the psychology behind landing pages, design elements, formats, layouts, CRO, all these different kind of things. And it's been absolutely fantastic seeing some of the students kind of grow and learn more and improve their own. Their own pages, get through their activation points quicker, get their stuff open, running, and just overall streamlining the whole process so that we can at that kind of CA result that we aim for.

Dude, you've packed a lot into the last couple of months since December. It was really cool to be able to like, cap it off and celebrate it by meeting for the first time at the London event we just had this past weekend. We'll unpack all of what you just discussed. But going even further back into like, December, like, how did you even hear about Client Ascension in the first place? For sure?

So, like, my background is not in like, sales or marketing or anything. I was a journalist for about nine years. I worked for a major American media outlet. I've been kind of all over the world. I've interviewed, you know, major politicians and tech dudes. I was mainly tech journals that I worked in. And basically I quickly figured out, like, you know, at a certain point, journalism just has a very, very low cap on how much you're going to earn. So I was like, right, I got to do some other shit. So I spent like a year getting into, like, copywriting and trying to learn more about that. And I, you know, I think across the entire year, I maybe made like, 20, you know, like, I was like, just like, like doing jobs here and there. Didn't really know what I was doing. I was kind of a jack of all trades. You know, I could do a lot of stuff, but I didn't have an offer. I didn't actually have a very specific thing that I was offering to people. It was more so just like, hey, do you need this? Do you need this? And kind of working with one or two clients on a regular basis that had me on return to do, like, small projects and things. So basically, I. I was heavily involved within the money Twitter space. You know, I was. I was. I was following everyone there. I was following Daniel, I was following Andre. I was following, like, all the guys, you know, and I saw, like, the ads for client E. And I remember I called up, I booked a call, and I got on with. With Jay Decrystafaro, and first thing I said to him was, jay, I'm already buying. Just tell me the price. And then he told me the price, and I said, I'm going to call you in two weeks. I'm in Canada, and I'll be home in two weeks. And I'm sure he's heard this millions of times before, and I swear to God, I'm the only person that literally did call. Like, he booked me in the calendar, and I emailed him, like, like, three days before. Like, can I call you now? I want to pay. And he was like, oh, y. Okay, let's go. But, yeah, so then I joined, and immediately CA was just like, the. The value became apparent immediately. You know, like, as I said, for me, my big issue was I did not know what I was selling. I. I could do all this stuff. I, I. When I filled up my onboarding form, you guys were like, you know, give examples of your previous work, what you've done. And I had, like, just, like, 15 different things. Like, I don't. I wrote this, and I made this website, and I did, like, this. This webinar, and, like, I just had all this stuff that I just didn't really know how to, you know, put together into, like, actual package. So then the first call you have, of course, is with Daniel. And Daniel is, like, sitting at his computer, and he just looks across to his monitor and he goes, wow, bro, your. Your setup looks sick. Okay? You sell landing pages and VSLs. And I was just like, okay, I say that's what I do now. So I just went absolutely ham on that. I just learned absolutely everything. I already had done a ton at that stage. I'd been making, like, like I made sales. It's one of those things where I think as well, CA gave me the confidence in the feedback from some of the coaches that I was good at what I did because I' sales funnels that I made like 80k in like a week and like, like that. But like, I just still was kind of, you know, thinking in my head, yeah, but I don't really know what I'm doing. And then you guys were all kind of just put before, like, as I talked more about it and was on these calls with coaches and going through these things, people being like, like realizing that, you know, not everyone knows this stuff and that's something that you guys talk about a lot. Don said I think over the weekend, like, like, people in this space don't know how much they know. You know, like, you all think this is like really basic and really normal and everyone knows this stuff, but like, they just don't. And so that kind of like confidence and then like, you know, the learning more and having an actual offer and then reach, figuring out like the learning the outreach methods and kind of building up the sort of client base and just scaling and then realizing that, you know, like, there was a lot of value as well that I felt that I could, I could provide to other people. And I've always been kind of about that. I've always try and find new ways to get across kind of to people that are struggling, helping them with issues they had. So I started kind of doing that off and on, just in the slack. I think I was just, you know, people would have problems with their pages and I'd be like, yeah, dude, just hit me up and I'll help you out. And like, I, I saw that from other community members too. Like, I had a question about a SaaS and I was like, you know, a friend's thinking of starting a SaaS and want to run this by someone. Four people hit me up straight away being like, yo, here's the zoom link. Let's go, let's test. I've run a SaaS and what do you need? So, like, I tried to. That energy was already in there in ca, so I was trying to give that back. And then, you know, luckily you were kind enough to give me the opportunity then to do this as an actual kind of full time sort of thing. So I'VE been now helping all the students and reviewing their landing pages, giving them more tips, doing tutorials, making templates, and it's just been great to see some of results these guys are getting.

Yeah, dude, like I said, like, you packed a lot into the time you've been in client ascension and it's so, it's like so cool to hear what the inception point was like for you. You joined the program with a lot of experience. You just hadn't heard it from someone like an authority in the space like Daniel saying, like, you're actually good at this stuff. There's real value in an offer specifically if you frame it like this. And you just had the conviction from Daniel that he passed on to you to just take it to the market and crush it. I want to even go back a little further. Real quick, a question on, like, you showed up to the sales call, you said, and we're like, yeah, I'm sold. Like, how much is it? And then follow up with me in two weeks. And you even reached out a couple of days earlier than that. Where do you feel like that conviction and confidence in client ascension being the solution at the time stemmed from it.

Is the Twitter ads that have screenshots from the WINS channel. Dude, it was just like, like all these dudes that I saw that were just like doing like, like crazy money every month. I'm like, you see like one or two of those and you kind of go like, you know, is it legit? And then you see like, you know, just this massive carousel of just results. And you see like, then you check, you go, you check their like, students, like Twitter profile and they actually are like, absolutely killing it. And like you just kind of, that kind of. It was very clear that the method worked. You know, like the way like you guys kind of describe it in the way that you kind of format it and explain. Like, I remember like getting on the call with like, like Jay and him explaining like, like, right, here's what we think you can be in like 12 months. I was on the 12 month plan at the time and like when he broke it down, I was like, yeah, like, of course that works. You know, like, it's just one of those things that like, it sounds like, you know, someone goes to you, like, you know, oh, if you're doing, you know, 5k a month, we can get you to 30. And you're like, dude, fucking how? And then like, you know, like. But then Jay's like, no, here's what we do step by step. I think as you Go down. You go. Yeah, obviously, like, you know, like this is, that makes total sense. Like, so it's, I think it really is just the case of. The reason that I was so ready to go was I, I had seen how much you guys were crushing already on Twitter. You and Dan specifically were the, that I followed. And then I saw all these testimonials and I saw how good all these students were doing themselves. And like I saw dudes that had joined that I knew before they were in ca and I knew what they were doing and how much they were kind of, kind of bringing in. And then I saw them like a few months later and there was a significant difference not just in terms of obviously income and scaling, but just even the sophistication with which they were talking about their, their market, they were talking about their product, the sort of like content they were producing, all of it was leveled up, you know, and so I was like, right, okay, there's clearly like, this is working, you know, like, so that, that was kind of what was the real kind of convincer for me. Just seeing the results from the guys that I already knew and then seeing the testimonials and stuff like that and everything, it just, it was an absolute no brainer. I was just like, yeah, I gotta get in here.

You know, that's so cool to hear. And I feel like the marketing piece, like, yeah, we do really well with that. I think everyone can do well with marketing. I think we're. The challenge really comes into play is okay, you've, you know, built up this huge image of what this program is and then as soon as you join, like, does it live up to that standard? And I've been through programs and have bought products and offers where the marketing is great. I'm all hyped up and amped up about what I'm about to experience and then it falls flat. And so maybe talk about what your first impression of client ascension was and kind of how that has grown over time to, you know, where you're at.

Now in the program for sure. So I mean, I think, I think everyone on Money Traders had that, dude, you know, you, you see like some course you think it's going to change your life and you buy it and it's a gumroad PDF and you're like, you know, like it's. That's, I think a very common experience and everyone has to go through that to some degree before kind of getting down to the really good stuff. But I think that the, the first thing that popped out for me was the. The. The call calendar. When I. When I saw that calendar, and I was like, holy. There's like three calls a day, five days a week. Like, this is. This is crazy. Like, there's. There's so much kind of value here. You know, there's. And then I got on the first call, so. And it wasn't just someone just kind of, you know, sitting there for 10 minutes going, like, yeah, I don't know, like, just do that. And I guess that'll work. It was these super engaged coaches that were responding to students, and the students were really interactive and had questions. And also there was like a level of, like, fun about it too. Everyone wasn't super serious, you know, like, it wasn't like a business meeting or something. Like, you know, like, you kind of quickly learned the sort of. Kind of jokes you can. You can make. And everyone's cool to like, kind of hang and stuff, you know, but it was. They like. Like, it was just really cool to kind of see that, you know, like. Like kind of level of interactivity and then the. How often the slack was being, like, updated with, like, new. Just people talking and every. Like. Like all the channels, like, you know, look at my monitor here now. Like, there's just.

There's been like.

It's probably been like 10 channels added since I joined. You know, like, there's just so much stuff on here and it's like so, like, kind of segmented really well, and there's like, like so many areas in which you can like, kind of just like focus on a specific topic and go in and find information about it there. And I immediately had this like, kind of urge to kind of like, contribute to it in some way, you know, like, one of the first things I did was I went. I had made like a lead magnet that was like how to get like a kind of a YouTuber setup kind of sort of thing. Like, I kind of have because due to my failed Twitch streaming career, and I put together this guy, like, dude, like my like, experience, like photography and videography and stuff like that. And I immediately went like, the YouTube growth channel was like, if any of you are doing YouTube and you want to know, like, how to get like a six setup, like, here's. Here's this guide. And then the reaction to that, like, you know, you pinned it the channel. And people were like, thanks so much for this. There was like a really, really solid feedback. The community makes you want give more because of the fact that everyone is so kind of thankful for the. For any Sort of help you do give and is so willing to give back themselves. So I say that when I got into the community, what really kind of set it apart, like, I've been in. I've been in a lot of. I won't name any names, but I've been in a lot of these kind of, you know, discord communities and Hol University and things like that. You kind of, you quickly realize when you're in there, like, people are not as engaged, people are not as the, the. The quality of the content being produced is often not as in depth, you know, like, you can, you can go into like the cajabi. And like I took notes on my iPad. I literally have like about 15 pages of like CA notes. And I think I only got through, like, I only got through probably the first like three modules. And I stopped because I was getting so many clients already that I could not keep up with the learning. So like, like that sort of stuff, like just the stuff you learn from like the, the course as well as like the community. It almost is hard to even just keep up with the sheer amount of content that we're producing. You will already be winning and already bringing in more clients by the time you can even get through the full thing.

There's so much there. It's very overwhelming. And I feel like one really cool thing that we do as well, which you got to see this weekend, is like bringing the community together in person for events. Because I feel like, yeah, there's a lot going on in the community. There's a lot of channels, there's a lot of coaching calls, There's a lot of content in the kajabi, like you mentioned. And everyone is kind of at different points in their business. They need help with different aspects of what they're working on. And one of the cool things we were able to cultivate at this last event was like serving students where they're at, whether it was an offers problem they were dealing with or a Legion problem or sales problem or operations and fulfillment. And so talk about what your experience was like at the first or at your first in person client attention.

Eventually, dude, that was like, like there's. Okay, so I've worked remotely since I was 19 years old, right? I've just people that I've worked with for 10 years that I've never met in, in. In real life. And without a doubt, that was like the most fun event I have ever been at it. Like, not only was it like so incredibly cool to meet like all these guys that I've been talking with for ages online and that like it was learning more about each person. There was like, like guys online that come across kind of a bit maybe like, you know, not awkward but just like they're kind of formal or they're kind of polite and stuff. And then just getting to go and see them at the event get talk about the personality, you connect to them on like a personal sort of level where you have similar stories or similar backgrounds and just kind of rediscovering who they are as a person, not just like as someone in this group that you're in was like absolutely incredible. The breakout sessions where we kind of sat around and talked to students about different aspects of marketing and sales and fulfillment and operations and offers and all these things. And just seeing how diligent all the students were in listening, they taking notes, like all of them being like super engaged, asking really thoughtful and insightful questions. Was it, was. It became clear to me kind of in that moment just how special this kind of group is and how, how different it is from anything else I've ever been involved with. Like there's been no other kind of community that I have been in that there has been this level of engagement support, you know, and even outside of like business, like there were some students that kind of didn't even realize that like, and this is something that I think Dom may have talked about recently on a call was that like your personal issues can affect business. You know, if you have something going on, this terrible life, ill health, you know, family problems, these things, these are all going to have a trickle down effect where your business is going to suffer. So we're not just there for, you know, oh, your cold email campaigns aren't working. Try this script. You know, like if you're having a problem in your life, there's a whole support networking system there to try and help you with that, talk you through that, connect with you and see how we can help you solve these issues in order to help your business thrive even further. And I think that that became more apparent for a lot of students just like on like a social level at the event was how open and willing the coaches are to kind of speak to them, talk to them and just, you know, be friends with them, you know, and I, I think that that was really, really beneficial for everyone there. But yeah, literally the, the best in person event I've ever been to. I'm extremely excited for Tama. I can't wait.

Oh dude, I can't wait either. It, it gives me so much Energy, like in the day to day leading up to the next event, just remembering how much fun we all had and just what the energy was like in, in that room that weekend. And it's cool, man. Like you say this from a student perspective, but also on the flip side, like, like you contribute so much to not only that experience in London, but also in the day to day experience that students get access to in the community. Because again, you are an expert coach and we always joke about this, but like when we announced in the announcements channel that you were coming on as an expert coach, I think still like to this day it has like the record amount of Slack emoji reactions, right? Which is so cool, man. So you're absolutely loved and adored by the community and I think a lot of it just has to do with what you're saying right here, right now is just like you have a really deep level of care for the students and it's not just always about business. It's also getting to know them on a personal level. Because let's be honest, when you're running a smaller agency business or just a smaller business in general, which all of us are in that category, a lot of the business problems are actually stemming from personal problems. And I feel like that stuff just doesn't get talked enough. Talked about enough because it's all surface level. Right. And so the, where I want to go with this, this question is my favorite question to ask on these calls and it'd be interesting to hear it from the student perspective and then also the expert coach perspective is since joining, you've obviously, you know, had significant achievements with growing your agency and then obviously becoming a team member at Client Ascension. What would one piece of advice be for someone that just joined the program to make sure that, that they crush it and get the most value from their investment.

From a student standpoint, I'll do both as respectful as right. If you're a student, you, you, you, you just joined, you're not sure what to do. The, the big game changer for me, just going to as many calls as I could and being as engaged in the community as possible. If I check the screen time on my phone, like it was like Twitter and Slack. I'm like that those were the top two, you know, and that was interacting with people from the Slack on Twitter as well. You know, like it was just being as like involved as I could in the community, going to all the calls. I like I was in university or I was in college, like I was like, right, this is my Schedule now I do three calls a day, five days a week, and that's what I do. I go to the calls, I listen, I take notes. I. And implementing like you, that's. That's one of the big deals as well. Like, I think that one of the. The issues I've seen some people fall into is that, like, they'll learn absolutely everything and they become an expert on these topics, and you go, cool, like, what are you doing with it? And they're like, oh, I haven't started yet. And it's like, you know, you need like. Like, as Don is like, he's like, just rip it. Like, just do it. You know, like. Like, just go for it. Think that that's. That's. As a student, like, that was the biggest, I think, Think for my success was I already knew that I had spent like a year where I didn't know what I was doing in terms of a solid offer. I didn't really know, like, because I didn't have that confidence in what my. I was selling and what I was doing and it. Providing value. I was holding back on, really kind of doing anything with it. The minute I had that clarity, that guidance and that I had figured out, and I've been to all these calls, I learned like, you know, kind of all these extra elements that I figured out what I needed to do and how much I knew about the top of the. That I. The service that I was. I was supp. I had. I just ripped it. I just went for it. I just. I just reached out as many people as I could. I. My. A lot of my leads came from Twitter. I went big on Twitter in terms of just posting content, just hitting people up. Like, that worked really well for me. I, you know, like, just kind of focusing on the different kind of avenues that I call in order to generate more. Either content or generate more attention towards what it was that I was. I was doing was what was really beneficial for me. But it was mainly just that, taking action. I think that that's something that some people may lean back on a little bit. They get in and they kind of go, okay, I'll learn all this stuff and I'll take a few months and, you know, I think. And then maybe I'll start my campaigns this week, and then next thing you know, at six months are open, they're kind of panicking, you know, So I think that for. For a lot of them, that would be my big suggestion is don't wait, you know, to. To have everything perfect. Get. Go through the Course, go through everything you can, get it up and running, start reaching out asap, start fulfilling, you know, I'm just getting sick results. And. And you will have infinitely more successful success as a, as a coach. The number one session come to the landing page call. Second of all is, you know, we are here. Like, I start all my landing page calls 15 minutes early now, and I put that time aside for students that maybe joined earlier that don't have a student success coach to come and get some guidance, any issues are facing with the business, anything they may need any sort of help. And then just like chill and relax for a little bit before we get into the actual heavy stuff, because I want people to also connect again on this, why the London event was so kind of, I think, popular work on a personal level and to realize that, you know, we're there for more than just a singular topic that we're teaching. We are kind of a holistic sort of approach to this kind of education and that will provide support in absolutely any way we can. I don't think there's a single coach in here that if a student hit the moment was like, hey, man, I'm struggling, I'm not doing well, would be like, oh, I'm sorry, I don't want to about that. That's not my problem. You know, it would immediately be, what do you need? And it will either be they'll provide that or direct them to the person that can. And so I think that that's something to keep in mind if you join, is that no matter what sort of problems you're having, the coaches are there for support. Support. And that there will always be a kind of a category or a section in which you can engage in in order to, to. To have those problems looked at, or a coach you can speak with directly about anything you're kind of going through. So that'd be my two suggestions if you're just joining OpenCA.

Damn, bro. That was. I mean, that clip, if you're watching this, go back and rewind like three minutes. Like, that was an absolute master class on how to have success in client ascension from a student and from a coaching perspective. And. And it's so cool, man, because I've done, I think, 26 or 27 of these, and I swear to God, every single time I ask this question, the common theme is show up in the community, whether it's coaching calls in Slack on Twitter and then implement. Right? Because if you're just showing up all the time and not doing anything about it, nothing's gonna happen. And so it really has to be both those things. And like you pointed out, the sooner you do that, the sooner you're going to be where you want to be. See, if you're waiting a couple of months and now your back is up against the wall, your options are much more limited at that point. So do it right away. Day one. And one of the most practical things I heard you say just now is treat it like a college curriculum. Like there are three to four coaching calls on calendar every single day. Like, don't make those optional. Make it part of what you sign up for. And if you show up and if you implement met, you're gonna have, you're gonna have your face on my YouTube channel at some point in the coming months, right?

Yeah, like I literally, I treat, I gave myself deadlines, you know, I, I, I like I was like right by this, by this time next week I'm gonna have this done. But thing, you know, and then I just bothered this at all the coaches to approve all my stuff, you know. And like it just kind of really kind of I pushed through everything. I think that was the biggest game changer was just kind of within like I think a month I had all my launched and I was already running campaigns, I was reaching out, I was at a landing page, had a BSL everything. It was just getting that done on those initial activation points. Get through them as quick as you can and just get out there.

Dude, there's this weird thing where like students are afraid to ask questions or speak up. And that is like I'm, you know, one of the founders here and I pay like we pay over $200,000 a month in like team expenses for people to be here to answer your questions. And so like I see students that don't speak up and ask a damn question. I'm like, what am I even paying these guys for? For like ask the question right? Like we're paying for that. And you as a student are also paying for the ability and for the access to ask these guys questions. And so it's, it's always interesting how that all plays out where like the top 10% of students are asking questions and then the other 90 absolutely Butte.

And it's like, like seriously come bother the out of me in slack, dude. Like I am always there. And like it's like you said, it's the students that are like hitting you, hitting me up and asking questions that are always, always the ones that are, are, are, are ripping it. I, I want to highlight one my Favorite dude, Irwin Cronk. Little killer dude. First call I had with him, I was, I found out he was like 17. I used to run an agency for three years. I was like, what the hell? Like, dude is an absolute killer. But Irwin is like, like, he'll send me like, like first of all, he's always really nice, really polite, really positive. He will hit me up with questions, he will send me voice notes just asking things wherever he'll thank me for. After a call, I get a nice little voice stuff from thanking me for my help and I'm like, dude, you don't have to do that. That's totally fine. But like he's always engaged. He's always like looking to improve and he, I've seen him do this across multiple channels with multiple coaches. Every coach I talk to have I mentioned Irwin? They're all like, oh yeah, Irwin's great. I, I did a whole thing with him on this. He's staying super engaged and super active and that's why he's crushing it right now.

Yeah, dude. I can see Irwin getting involved as a coach at some point. Like, yeah, I love Irwin. He's, he's put on a masterclass on just like how to join the program and make a good name for yourself. Right, right.

Like, same thing.

Talk to all the coaches. They all have good things to say about him.

Matt Lucero too. You saw how active Matt was in the slack. Like holy, dude. Like, like, like he, he has more active than like, like I think half the people in there. It was crazy. Like top, top three. The only other one was like you, I think it was like, it was.

Insane not getting dethroned. Okay. My own company slack. But Lucero was close and it was funny, right, because we're like in the room with like, I think we had like 60 people or whatever at this last event. Event. And I'm like doing like the opening remarks and I'm like, oh, we got like Matt Lucero here. Does anyone know who Matt Lucero is?

And everyone, like obviously everyone cheers across the crowd.

It's like everyone knows him simply because he shows up more than most people do and it's really that simple. Two more questions for you, Lucas. First question is like, let's say next event in Tampa is in November. Like what is some of your short, what are some of your shorter term goals with your agency with just what you're doing in business between now and then.

Right. So I, I, I'll drop a little bit of sauce here and something I've been working on is that I, I, it sounds like, like a stupid idea considering it's doing well. But I am actually, I would say I'm not transitioning out of my offer. I'm expanding my offer. Right. Because I'm looking at the market and I'm looking at the issues, bro.

This is my favorite. It's you're evolving your offer.

Evolving. That's it. Evolving. Solving. Yeah. So like as you're working on your offer, you should be looking at the common teams and issues that you're coming across. Right. You're going to have the same sort of like problems going to come up, prospects are going to discuss the same sort of issues. I was largely creating landing pages for agencies and one of the things that I found was a lot of the guys that make a landing page for office I get called email agency. I had three different dudes around. Agencies like that hit me up and go hey, how much would you charge me to make a page for my, my, one of my clients? How much do you charge? Do you do email graphics? Do you do Facebook ads? All these sort of things. I was getting asked this by other agency guys. Right. So I was looking for a way to. And of course with one of the problems with landing pages, they are largely a one off sale. It's not really a monthly recurring sort of thing. So I was trying to fix these kind of two main issues. So that's why I've come up with this idea of an unlimited marketing asset agency for marketers and advertisers.

Right? Right.

It's called Innovative and it's going to be basically a fixed monthly subscription. We will create landing pages, VSLs, copywriting, newsletters, email designs, any sort of creative content you can imagine that your clients may need, we will do for you. So you can triple your prices of what you charge the clients by white labeling us. So if instead of going we're email marketing company, we'll charge you, you 2k setup fee and 250 per call. No, you're not even a marketing company anymore. Now you're like, you know, a full funnel creation service where you will create a landing page, a funnel, a vsl, a you know, a newsletter campaign and you pay us and then you charge your clients 6k instead of the 2k that you usually do. You know. So that's the idea behind, is that I'm looking for a way to solve that problem I saw on the market which is that all these guys are kind of have a similar offer looking for ways to expand and add more to it to make it more unique and we can do that by offering these kind of creative services services. So I have, I'm expecting by November to have that fully launched. I actually have two clients already signed just based off of my reputation and word of mouth and telling them about the idea. They were just like send the contract. It's like, all right, sick. So that's going to be launched in the, in the next a month or so. And yeah, I'd say just kind of growing that and getting that up and going and having that to a decent sort of kind of monthly return rate by, by November is my, my main goal. And then the second goal would be just to connect more with the students on a personal level. I and, and I'll also kind of put out some more content around my previous work. My, my, my, my kind of life leading up to this because there's a lot of stories I think that I mentioned to you and some others at the, at the, especially at the London event that I wasn't sure people would be interested in and instead I, people were kind of really, really engaged. Like how I interviewed Andrew Tate, how I've been followed by investigators for Google in San Francisco. Like all this, this sort of that I just, just like, oh yeah, but it's got nothing to do with marketing or whatever. Leave that. Like no one cares about that, but it turns out people do. So I think that kind of connected on a more personal level, both on social media and with my students partially as well. I've been posting daily videos in the chat now. Just welcome everyone in the morning, give them an idea of what I'm working on. Just trying to get everyone kind of ready for the week and get ready for the day and get kind of hyped up about like, like seeing that, that you know, we're working just as hard as they are and kind of the things that we're doing in order to try and help improve the whole all of client ascension for them and kind of move things forward even further. So those are my two main goals.

I. Zach, yeah, that new offer is stocked, bro. I'm, I'm hyped to see how that goes for you and for the clients as well. And then I love the idea of like sharing more of your story outside of business. This is like a, a like side note for anyone who's still listening. There's just massive value in this. But I was like, just reflecting yesterday and I'm thinking of like Cor Mosi, right? Like Cor Mosi is obviously known for for business content. But he's also known as like the fitness guy. So he's known in two different spaces. And then you got guys like Joe Rogan. Like Joe Rogan is the best example of this. He's known in the podcast space, he's known in the UFC space, he's known in the comedy space, he's known in the like hunting space. Like he's got all these different pockets of niches that he's known in or known for. And I feel like so many guys now in the personal brand space, like in business especially, are one dimensional. Like they're just business and entrepreneurship. So the more you can add and sprinkle in uniqueness, whether it's like interviewing Azure Tate and being followed by investigators from Google, like, that is gonna make you stand out so much more and be able to connect with different audiences and bring them into everything else you're doing with business. So anyways, master class on personal branding that I've just been, you know, thinking on and reflecting on recently, just looking at some of the most successful people to ever do it.

But yeah, I'm gonna go bother log fits about this soon about how I should pack this.

Yeah, definitely. So I mean that's another part of Client Ascension, right? You get the personal branding calls with and and Nick Rogers from Launch Socials every Friday, which is a huge value at that I feel like doesn't get talked about enough. But last question I want to ask you here before we wrap it is just where can our audience, whether or not they're inclined Ascension? Obviously if they're inclined Ascension, they can just show up to your calls and message you on Slack. Outside of Client Ascension, where can you.

Be found on the Twitter at Copyline Killer? I just managed to side load threads onto my iPhone because it's banned in the eu. But fuck that. I got around that same username Copyline Killer and Instagram Copy Line Killer is where you can find all, all my stuff. You can also check out my podcast on Spotify. The Art and War podcasts, not of war and War we. That's what I do with three co hosts of mine. They're most of them are ex military, all our artists and we talk about, about absolutely everything relating to a lot of them being military. Love, you know, gun rights and I'm a big free speech sort of dude. That's what I reported on for like nine years. So we kind of talk about that stuff there. And it's also just, you know, making dick jokes and around. So like it's a it's fun. So check me out on those. And, of course, if you're in ca, please hit me up. Even if you just want to say hi, just want to chat, and you want to ask me a question about, like, anything, man. Like, you know, I'm into all sorts of any sort of tech.