How PORN Is DESTROYING Marriages with Josh Broome | The Naked Marriage Podcast

Hello.

Welcome back to the Naked Marriage podcast. We are Dave and Ashley Willis, and on this podcast, we address the truth about sex, intimacy, and lifelong love. And we have, you guys, just an incredible episode for you today. The conversation that you're getting ready to hear is such an important conversation, right, sweetie? And we have a very special guest.

Yeah, I mean, this is one of the most meaningful interviews we've ever done.

I mean, it will pull you in and we're gonna have him on again. I mean, this is not the end of this interview, but for now it is. We want to have him back, but why don't you tell them about the person we're interviewing?

All right. Joshua Broome, Broom with an E at the end, is just a fascinating guy. And so here's his testimony in a nutshell. He spent six years as an adult film actor. He was a porn star, got pulled into that world and spent six years in it and then came out of that world suicidal, which a lot of people in that world just really get depressed, discouraged, addicted, and even suicidal. And he was there. He was in an absolute low point when he left that industry. And through that journey, though, he found faith in Christ. He found an amazing Christian woman, got married, has three kids with a fourth on the way, and is now, guys, a pastor and an inspiration to people all over the world as he shares the good news of Jesus, what Jesus has done in his life. And he shines the spotlight onto the dark world of porn as somebody who's lived in that world. And man, his testimony is something so powerful, and he's one of the most encouraging and uplifting people I've been around. So you're gonna just love him. You're gonna be inspired by his story. So without further ado, let's jump into today's interview. Well, friends, like I said in the intro, I am super excited about today's episode, and I know I say that all the time, but I extra mean it this episode because Josh Broome is with us and his testimony is just absolutely incredible. I mean, absolutely incredible. I mean, from porn star to pastor, now, like this guy that is influencing people for Jesus all over. Truly an inspiration, and you guys are going to be so blessed and encouraged by his testimony. He's the father of three, almost four. He's got the fourth almost here. My gosh, there's just so much the guy's doing, I can't even keep track because he's an overachiever for Jesus and I love it. But, Josh, welcome to the podcast.

Hey, so glad to Be here. Excited to be with you guys. Love what you guys are doing. It's so important having those difficult and fun but conversations that people don't always want to have. And it's so needed.

Thank you. Thank you.

We're excited. We like to always start out our podcast by just kind of talking about your backstory, wherever you want to start it. So if you want to kind of just give us, give us the backstory.

Well, why don't you ask first the question you always ask about how they met? Because, like, since he's married, do you.

Want to start with that and then.

Go back to the backstory?

Well, it's what. It's up to you.

How would you like to do it, Josh?

I mean, I can, I can just give you, you know, a five minute, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

From. From then to now, but perfect. Yeah. So, so grew up in South Carolina, was born in North Carolina because, you know, super small town. We like recently got a Taco Bell there, so, like, that's how small.

I remember when that happened in my town in Kentucky. It was like the Super Bowl.

Yeah, yeah. So there's like self proclaimed watermelon capital of the world there. Watermelon pageant parade, all that good stuff. But anyway, I grew up there. My mom had me when she was 16. My dad was around, but not in my life or my home. So that was somewhat confusing when I was young and it was frustrating when I got older because he was like, right there. So he was never malicious in any way. He was just there, but not in my life. And that was just, you know, confusing to me. Yeah, of course, you know, especially in a small town. So I would, like, see him at grocery stores, see him the drugstore and, and, and then, you know, as he got older, you know, gets married, has kids and like, they. They have this, you know, put together life and has me wondering, you know, why don't I have a dad and why is my dad right there but not, you know, in it with so hard. Yeah, yeah. So super difficult and, you know, to your point, like, super high achiever personality. So I tried to mitigate what I didn't have through works and, you know, tried to be the, the best person on the basketball team, you know, make the grades, get the girls, like, do all the things where that ach movement, that dopamine hit it, tried to mitigate the wound that I had in my heart. And that behavior continued into college. I was passionate about modeling and acting. I started doing that when I was like 13, 14, had some success Studied theater for a little bit in college. Ended up dropping out the second semester my sophomore year. Moved to LA and got an agent. Was doing okay. And like most people in la, you're, you know, as you're chasing your dream, you gotta mitigate your expenses. So I'm working at a restaurant, and in that restaurant a few girls sat down and they invited me into the porn industry. And that was pretty alarming for me because I had seen it but never thought about being in it. You know, just like miles from anything that I would ever consider doing or thought about doing. But I. I said yes to interviewing with their agent, and their agent asked me three questions. He asked me, how did I grow up, why was I in la, and what did I hope to accomplish? And, you know, if in retrospect, very manipulative questions or. Or rather gives a manipulator a lot of ammunition.

Yeah, of course.

And that, you know, so grew up just, you know, pretty much me and my mom, I'm out here wanting to act and I guess I want to be famous and. Which. Which says there was some brokenness. And I'm trying to fill that brokenness with achievement, you know, and he's like, well, perfect. You know, there's not a lot of guys in porn and, you know, because the porn industry is shifting. They're making these movies with, you know, scripts and they're. They're parodying movies. So for you, if you have an acting background, it would be advantageous for you, and you'll be the guy, you'll be famous. I'll make, you know, all the stuff that I wanted to hear. You'll make the money, you'll do this, you'll do that. And for me, while I know that it was not what I wanted to do, I struggled with this belief in myself because I felt like there was something inadequate about me. And some of it had to do with a father wound, and a lot of it had to do with the brokenness in my heart that only Jesus can fill. Of course. But for me, I heard this counterfeit version of my dream and I was like, well, maybe, you know, it's so crazy to look back on. Like, at 22, I'm like, well, if I haven't made it by now, you know, I'm never going to make it. But in my reality, you know, the people around me that were my same age were further along than I was. Even though I was having some success, they were further along than I was. So I believed, well, I'm just not good enough. So Maybe this is my chance to be the guy to make it to be famous. And I did it. And very quickly. That one decision was catastrophic in my life where within a few weeks, my agent's calling me and saying, hey, your name's tied to something inappropriate. And obviously, you know, that violates the. The terms and conditions of our contract, so we can't be associated with your likeness. We can't, you know, oh, wow. You know, so we have to let you go. We have to, you know, essentially fired me. And that kind of blackballed me from that industry. And then at the same time, you know, within a few weeks, my mom's calling me saying, well, your. Your uncle heard at work that you were doing pornography. Is this true? So just having this humiliated conversation with my mom that really, like, sacrifice so much for me to be where I am because, like, you know, had me at 16, but, you know, I. I was doing acting, I was doing modeling. You know, it's like, I always wanted, like, new basketball shoes, to go to basketball camp, go to act, you know, to get comp cars, do all the things I need to do that as a kid, you don't realize, like, how far those expenses are, like, from my mom's budget. But my mom, like, did everything that she could to give me what. Not only what I needed, but what I wanted.

Really sacrificed a lot.

Yeah. So I had no clue in that moment. But, like, when I lost everything, it made me realize that. So there was a lot of shame involved. And, you know, when you're in that crossroads, you really. You either say, okay, I blew it. You know, I need to kind of pick myself up, dust myself off, and I need to move in a different direction. But what often happens when. When, you know, severe trauma happens in your life or you make a massive mist, it's much easier. Continue doing what you've always doubled down. That's the easy thing.

Like, this is who I am now.

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Like, my behavior became my identity. And it's so much easier to live your life that way because it doesn't cost you anything. So for me, I let my shame and guilt, like, rule over my life, and I. And that, you know, at perfect timing, this agent calls, and it's like, hey, the porn agent calls. And it's like, I'd love to, you know, offer you a contract. So that led me into, you know, six years in that industry, did over a thousand films, won tons of awards, made all the money, did everything that he said I would. He was. He was truthful in that, you know, I would be the guy, I would make it. And a lot of it had to do with just my personality just being. Doing normal things in a. In a very chaotic, broken world, just being consistent, knowing people's names, like just, you know, normal things that go a long way.

Yeah.

And just found myself having a lot of success. But that success, it only amplified my anxiety. Deep in my depression, it didn't do what I thought it would. And that led me to a place where I was wanting to take my life. And then I had this interaction at a bank that, you know, I would love to talk with you guys about, but, you know, pretty much, you know, after not hearing my name for a long time, someone called me by name and kind of broke me out of this plausible reality that I created based on guilt and shame. And I ran home. And, you know, after running home, just trying to figure out what to do. And then again, like, double down on the health and fitness industry. So, like, got every accreditation training workshop possible, became a pretty successful trainer, started an online training business, was doing really well, and I met this girl, and, you know, I thought, like, okay, you know, I'm finally at a place where, like, maybe someone won't reject me. So I, you know, actually pursue this girl and, you know, super pretty, best athlete in the gym. And I asked her out on a date. Well, actually, I walk up to her, so it's a CrossFit gym. So at the end of the workout, everyone puts their equipment away, and I was like, hey, I'll put your stuff away for you. She's like, I can do it myself.

I was like, geez, I'm in love.

And. And then she's like, well, you know, and I asked her out on a date, and she, you know, politely said no. And then she's like, well, I'm going to run in the morning. You can meet me at this park if you want. It's like, I want to do, like, bench press and power cleans and sprints and push a sled. Like running a 5k is a nightmare. But I did it.

I will do it for you, man in love.

Yeah. And I. And I show up and I'm early, and as I'm waiting on her to get there, there's, you know, I don't know if it was the holy spirit or, like, my mom in my head, but I just heard, like, don't you lie to that girl. Yeah, don't you lie to that girl. Because sometimes withholding the truth from someone is more detrimental than telling A lie to their face.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. And for me, it's like, man, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna man up. I'm just gonna tell her. Yeah. And I am like, he started on, on this run, you know, we're still walking. I'm like, hey, I've done a little bit of porn. She's like, what? Excuse me? I was like, okay, tell the whole truth. Like, you know, I was, like, wanting to, like, say enough to, like, relieve the, like, tension of, like, what I was feeling like I needed to do but not actually commit. And I was like, okay, you know, rip, rip off the band aid. Tell her. And I feel like I, like, blacked out and told her, like, everything bad ever done in my life. You know, back to childhood, I'm like, kick my brother.

Yeah. In fourth grade I did. Yeah.

And afterwards, she was like, you know, pretty taken back by everything I had said, you know, and after processing for a minute, she kind of, like, her expression kind of changed, and she looked at me and said, I want you to know that a person is not defined by the worst thing they've ever done.

Yeah. Wow.

And a person is also not defined by the greatest thing they'll ever do. God defines who a person is. He's the author of life. He gets to make that decision, not you. Do you know who God is? I was like, wow. And then for me, you know, I lived my entire life. I call it the first date mask, where I don't know who I am, but I, I, I'm good at figuring out what you want me to be, and I'm going to be that because I just want you to like me. I don't know who I am. I don't know anything about myself. I just want to become a chameleon in that I want to become whatever is going to be, you know, appealing to you. Sure. So I'm, I, I, you know, try to regurgitate some things that I had heard. And she was like, okay, well, what's your relationship with Jesus? Like, are you plugged in, into a church anywhere? You know, like, who do you do life with? I'm like, what are you talking about?

Right, yeah. None of that makes any sense.

Like, I, I was like, if that is what you're talking about, you know, busted. You know, maybe not. And she's like, well, I've been following Jesus since I was in seventh grade. My entire family's Christian, and I'm not perfect by any means, but my relationship with Jesus is the foundation of how I Live my life. So do you like tacos? I was like, what? Wait a minute, hold on, what? And she started asking me questions like, what kind of food do you like? What, what, what are some of your hopes and dreams? And honestly, I didn't have any, you know, I, I didn't have the ability to hope or dream because I felt like I didn't have a future. Like, even though the, the, honestly, like the, the suicidal ideation, like, it didn't go away. But like, when, like the day that I was going to do it was on my last day in la when I quit the porn industry. Like, I had a plan, I, I was going to do it. And I had this interaction with this person that kind of broke the shell of the numbness and ran home. And then she's just asking me these questions and I'm just like, I, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know the answer. But I can't believe that. I believe that if anyone actually knew me, they wouldn't be interested in me. So I thought that I would have to lie. And then I told someone the truth and they were interested in me. Like, that doesn't make sense, you know? And so we have a conversation. Leave text like maniacs. I know I'm far over five minutes at this point, but no, this is gold. We text like maniacs for a week and then she invites me to church. And then I get to church and when I get there, there's this like giant wooden sign that says, we want to love people where they are and encourage them to grow in their relationship with Jesus Christ. And I was like, Jesus sounds awesome, but if you knew anything about me, there's no chance that you would want me here. There's no, there's no way. And I walk in and you know, from, from a, like a theater guy, like, the aesthetics were great. Like, the music was great, sound was great, all this good, all this good stuff. And the preacher gets up on stage and the little experience I had was like a very small independent Southern Baptist church where if you had a wrinkle in your shirt, you're to hell. You know, this guy gets up in T shirt, jeans and boots and he sounds like my grandpa. And he starts talking about his relationship with Jesus and how it transformed his life. And he starts telling the story about Jonathan and David and how when David took over as king and Jonathan died, historically the previous kingdom was wiped out because they didn't want the previous kingdom to think that they had access to the new kingdom. So everyone was killed historically. But David was different. And he actually asked, this is from first Samuel, but he asked if anyone was remain was remaining in his family. And he said, well, you know me. So they go, and he sends a guard to find Mephablesheath. And Meph knew history, so he thought, I'm going to get killed, you know, and instead of extending a spear, his guard extended a hand and brought him into David's kingdom. You know, David gives him a seat in his kingdom, even restores his land. And then he pivots. He's like, well, you know what? Romans 3:23 says that we've all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And then Romans 6:23 says, well, the wages of that sin is death. So while Mephibosheth thought he deserved death because of his history, guess what? Because of everyone's history, everyone is in the same place, and we're all deserving of death. But God. But God sent Jesus into this world fully God, fully. Man lived a perfect life and died on the cross. Not because you deserved it, not because you were special, not because you were good. But with joy set before him, he went to the cross. He loved you that much, and that's why he died. So if you put your faith in him, that is the only way that you're reconciled to God. Not because you're good enough, because we're all broken and we're all in need for that. And that changed my perspective, because what it challenged was how I thought I was too bad. In addition, the Father's love. I saw the Father through the lens of my brokenness with my relationship with the Father. But I realized there was actually a father waiting for me with open arms.

Wow. That is the best. I mean, that's the best news of all. That's the gospel. And you were living that gospel truth and now sharing it with so many others. I mean, you're a preacher now. I mean, you were reaching people. And I want to talk about that, but first, just to go back for just a minute, because, I mean, so many people that listen to this podcast, myself included, have had a background where they struggle with pornography, or maybe they're even in this kind of worldly mindset where it's like, you know, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just entertainment. But I love how you talk about just very practically the dark side of the industry and the people you knew in it and befriended in it that ended up dying by suicide or overdose, and just how that the industry it's designed to just stamp out people's souls. I mean, it really is dehumanizing. And the way that you talk about that really sheds light. It bursts through the kind of glamorous facade and says this is what's really going on inside the hearts and minds of the people that are participating. So give us just a little sneak peek of what that is like.

Yeah, I mean, to your point, what you just made. So I've been out of the industry for about 11 years and in that 11 years, 30 people that I knew who were in the industry have, have died. Either of, you know, self harm, suicide or overdose. Wow. Yeah, 30 people. So you think the world of pornography through the lens of like onlyfans and things like that, where it's so saturated, but in this market. So the world of pornography, when I say like people who had careers significantly smaller, like we're talking about, you know, 500 or less. So when you say 500 or less and 30 of those people have died over in a suicide in a decade, that number is tremendous.

Yeah.

And it's all the same story where someone, a girl comes into the agent, they start their career and when they start their career, they say, okay, I don't want to do X, Y and Z. They call it a no list. And while the person becomes, if they have a career, they become famous or well known or whatever, their career takes this trajectory. And then all of a sudden you know, you know that there's, there's no allure around this person because it's that, that dopamine hit from seeing something you haven't seen. And now this person has been seen, but they haven't been seen doing X, Y and Z. So the no list. So the agent goes to a studio and saying, hey, how much would you pay if this person did this? And they're like 50,000. And then the agent goes back to this, this young girl and saying, hey, I know your career is, you know, not going the way that you hoped or it has been, but out of nowhere this stud offered $50,000. If you just do this thing. And I know you said you didn't want to do it, but if you do it then you'll be relevant again and then your career will start to take off. And then they do it. And then once they do it, it becomes monotonous because it's just another thing they've done. And now they start doing this thing with regularity that they wouldn't do. And once all those things are gone, the phone stops ringing and They've had everyone around them telling them, this is who you are, this is your worth. You'll never have a husband, you'll never have. You know, like, this is. This stuff's going to be on the Internet forever. There's no life after this. And if their worth is tied to the phone ringing so they can sell themselves for sex and no one's calling, if there's nowhere for me to go and no light at the end of the tunnel, what else would I do? So they often they start medicating to pain with drugs or they just take the. Take their life.

It's just so sad.

Yeah. And what's so sad and so evil is the porn industry. Every single time something like this happens, if it's someone that had some kind of notoriety, they die in tribute to them. They make this, like, best of tape, you know, that they. This, you know, accumulation of profit just exploit the death. Yeah, they. They take this suicide that. The very thing that led them to take their lives, they monetize. Wow. And they do it over and over and over and over and over again. I mean, like, when, you know, they did the same thing to me, it's like they. There were like, all these stories about, like, why I quit and all this stuff and, you know, like, you know, poke and prod when I first, like, came to Christ. And it's. It's a sad, dark industry. And in a real way, you know, average age of exposure, it was 11. It's starting to drop as low as 8 years old, you know, average. And then like 84% of the kids that are seeing pornography for the first time, it's incidental exposure. Right? So it's either someone show it to them, or they were, you know, just navigating through the Internet and they came across something that they didn't expect to see. And then curiosity took over. But, you know, just like, what that does to kids and just the reality of, like, what's on there, like, it. It takes aspects of identity and it manipulates people with those aspects, you know, like, and just the evil that's on there. Like, the. One of the most popular niches of pornography is teen porn, but it's not. Not teen porn. It's girls dressed in pigtails and stockings. And what teenager have you ever seen doing that? They're depicting children and they're advocating it as something else. So it's an. It's an evil industry that's really ruining lives. 56% of marriages that, that ended divorce have some aspect of pornography tied to it, you know, you see it. It's rampant in the church. It's rampant. You know, it's contributing to rape culture, you know, contributing to sex trafficking, so on and so on and so on. So at the end is like, you need to know this is detrimental to your heart, mind, and soul, and it's detrimental to the world around you. So if you can come to a place where it's like, I. I believe it's evil and it's hurting me and hurting the people that I love, it's harder to justify it. Right. It's easier to justify it to what your point is earlier. It's like, what, it's not a big deal.

Right.

And so every talk that I give, generally, I lead off with, do you believe each and every person is deserving of human dignity? So if the answer is yes, I've never heard anyone say no. If the answer is yes, you're robbing yourself and the person on the screen when you watch pornography. Because, Because, I mean, when you think about consent, like, well, the, the person that took their life because of. Of that content being on there and they couldn't do anything about it, do you think that they would give consent? You know? No. Would I give consent for someone watching that? Of. Of me? No. You know, you have a highlight reel of people's worst decisions online, and you're taking pleasure from them. And at the same time, there's organizations like, you know, mindgeek owns a large majority of all the porn sites, so they're a large company based out of Canada, and they work with Traffic Junkie. So they're like, you look at pornography, your identity is being sold to Traffic Junkie. And then, you know, which is like, like Facebook, Google. And then you go onto Facebook and you see an ad for something strange. It's like, it's not a coincidence. Yeah, it's because you've been looking at this in your identity. You know, there's, there's a digital footprint of you, and they're tying it back to that because your identity, your information has been sold, and then the way that it makes money is the same way that, you know, people monetize on YouTube. Like, like porn was, was the, the. You know, the, the. The front, you know, it was the first person, like, in the digital space to start monetizing content through viewership. So the whole, like, monetization model came from them. And all the, like, a lot of the stuff they do, like running ads and all that stuff that all came from porn, they were doing that first. So you know, you're making money off of your eyes. So who's the product? The viewer? And in a very real way, you're contributing to all the evil things they come along with watching pornography, that's so sobering.

And I hope for everybody listening, watching right now, you'll take that to heart, especially if you bought into that kind of cultural lie, that porn's fine. It's harmless, it's entertainment. It is toxic. Nothing good. Nothing good comes from it, both for the consumer and the participants. And, Josh, I'm just so thankful you were able to break free and find Jesus and then to kind of fast forward from the darkness to the light to some really, really happy stuff, like everything God's doing in your life, it's just incredible. And I mean, I just smile and cheer you on when I see the doors God's opening and your ministry growing, your family growing. So paint a picture now of just how life is now. And I think it's going to give so much hope to folks who are listening that feel like I've blown it. God can't do anything with my life because of this. I've made this mistake or that mistake, and this is all I'm ever going to be. And. And you're living the gospel. You're living that we're a new creation in Christ. So tell us about life today.

Yeah, I just want to. I think I wouldn't be best served if I didn't back up a second and just say this for the person watching that might be struggling with pornography. We're not here to shame you. And if you're following Jesus, guess what? Romans 8:1 says there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. But. But conviction is from the Lord.

That's right.

And navigating through those things are so important. So, gosh, like, I want to love you enough to tell you the truth, right? Yes. Because when you understand what is true, then you have to confront it, and then the Holy Spirit's going to prompt you to do something about it. But, yeah, I mean, like, shame and guilt keep people stuck where they are.

Yeah, it's. That's true.

But truth. Truth sets you free. But, yeah, so just regarding, like, some of the stuff that's going on in my life now, it's like, you know, on the back end of that. That person that took that walk with. We got married, you know, so that's my wife. Her name's Hope. And we've got three boys, another child on the way in, in January and just been this really fun journey. So, like, as. As quickly as my life turned around, it was really a product of. Of, you know, me doing, you know, if, again, like, when you start following Jesus, like, 100%, you know that, like Galatians, like, 5, 22, 23, like, talking about the fruit of the spirit. But, like, there's things that get unlocked in you, but in a lot of ways, like, you are still the same person. So some of the things that you're passionate about, good at, if you can redirect those things, like my, you know, high achiever personality and all that stuff, it's like I. I pointed that in the right direction.

Yeah.

So I. I went to a church three days after I gave my life to Christ. I was like, hey, put me in coach. I was like, what do I. What do I do? And started getting mentored by this guy, Andrew Yates. He actually is over discipleship at DTS now. It's funny because he was in Raleigh, North Carolina. He went to dts, moved to Raleigh, North Carolina, met me, and then, as about a year ago, moved back to Dallas. And he's at DTS overseeing discipleship there. But he spent years with me just sitting down. Like, we were supposed to spend 30 minutes together. Just like, here's basic, you know, how to read the Bible. Like, observation, interpretation, application. Like, here's what you need to know. And from. From a context standpoint, like, this is how you read the Bible. I just fell in love with it and just, like, was relentless. I'm like, I'm gonna. I just, like, I'm just gonna show up at your office until you tell me to go away. And we ended up, like, creating this, like, you know, this. This intern program that didn't exist. But it's like, we're just gonna, you know, take everything you did over the last few years and just kind of, you know, make it into something. But I spent a long time with him, then ended up going to Liberty studying biblical theology. And I just really fell in love with the Bible and with my relationship with Jesus growing and my knowledge of what was true growing. Like, those things really changed me and just who I am. It's like I want to give away whatever is impacting my life. I always compare it to my grandma's, like, buttermilk biscuits. It's like, man, you got to try this. You got to get some of this. And that's how I feel about the gospel. Gospel. It's like, so God's opened up, you know, everything from, you know, being live on Fox or, you Know, just, just, just in places where I'm like, what the heck am I doing here? But like, man, if you ask me what, how did I change my life? I'm going to share. Well, Jesus died on the cross and he paid the debt for my sin. And when I understood who he was and what he did, it changed how I saw myself.

Man, I love it. And. And that joy you got is contagious, you know that?

It really is.

I love it.

It is. It's like what the enemy, you know, wanted to destroy you with. God is using for good and not only for you, but for the world, you know, and all those gifts that he gave you, like you said, it's turning those things around.

Yeah.

And it's just so awesome. I. I'd love for you to just share. I know you have a book coming out soon and just where people can kind of find you on social media and things.

Yeah. So my social media across the board is I am Joshua Broome. My website is Joshuabroom Me with an.

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With an e, that's right. So it is like a cleaning appar, but with the E at the end. And. Yeah. So like my book and just my message in general is regardless of what you've done or what's happened to you, if you have an encounter with Jesus, it will change you. And. But guess what? Like, that's the starting point. Like, you see Jesus being baptized, Holy Spirit descends upon him, you know, so that's game time. You know, it's like when you have this interacting with Jesus, okay? Now the life that you thought was unattainable, you know, regardless of what happened to you, what you did, the cross supersedes anything that you ever could think that would disqualify you from the hopes and the passions and the dreams that you have. Because, you know, Ephesians 3:20 is real. Like, he wants to do exceedingly, abundantly more than you could ever hope or imagine. And what he will do, he'll change your heart. Where like the dreams that died because of what happened to you or what you did or what you believed was true. God wants to do a new thing, man. Yes.

Thank God for that, man. That is the gospel. It's the best news of all. And friends, you're listening to this, watching this. Just take that to heart. Jesus has a plan for you. He has so many good things in store for you. And so give him your life, give him your heart the way Josh has, the way he is described. And God's got good things in store and do us another favor and share this. I promise you people will be encouraged by this. So text this to somebody. Put this on social media. Say, you guys need to listen to this one or you need to watch this one. Help spread the word about the story that God has written in Joshua's life and is continuing to write and follow. Follow Josh on social. Check out his new book. I promise you're gonna be. You're gonna be encouraged by all that he's doing, man. Thank you for being here. You're an inspiration.

You. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate being with you guys. And maybe we'll have to do it again.

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