Why Communication Breaks Down in Marriage | The Naked Marriage Podcast | Dave & Ashley Willis

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That's right. And today we're going to talk about communication. What is communication supposed to look like in the naked marriage? So let's dive into today's episode.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Well, let me tell you, we always like to say on here, and you've probably heard us say it many times if you've listened for a number of years to this podcast. But most marital issues are communication issues.

True.

And so we're going to talk about living out the naked marriage when it comes to communication. Because if you can get this right, it really affects every aspect of the naked marriage.

Yeah, it really does. Communication does for your marriage what breathing does for your lungs. So a marriage where there's no communication is an oxymoron. Like you cannot have it. You cannot have the partnership, the friendship, the connection, the that God designed for marriage. If you're not communicating, it's the lifeline keeping the two of you together. And it's more than just communicating facts back and forth. It's sharing your hearts with one another, sharing your feelings, your desires, your struggles, sharing encouragement, sharing accountability and doing it all without secrecy. Because like we said in the last episode, that's a big part of the naked marriage. Hiding nothing from one another. The secret free guarantee. And we went into marriage kind of wide eyed and naive thinking we got this part down. There might be some other stuff that we struggle with. And we did struggle with that other stuff too. But we got communication down because we majored in communication in college. So we pretty much thought we were world experts. But let me tell you, the major didn't turn out to be as practical for our marriage as I thought it would be because we had a lot to learn.

We did. Which is so ironic. It's so funny that we both have degrees in communication. I mean, Dave actually has a master's degree in communication and he's taught communication. He's been a professor and all those things. But I think God, you know, in his mercy and also with a sense of humor, he will just very, very gently tap us on the shoulder and be like, guys, you know, pride comes before a fall. And, boy, did we fall. Like, in the beginning, we were just stepping on each other's toes and constantly kind of having miscommunication. I. For whatever reason, I really was convinced that the longer we were married, the less words we would have to use in marriage, because Dave would just know. Or I would even think, like, well, he should know. Like, he's a grown man. Or, you know, he's probably thought, well, she's a grown woman. She should know, you know? And so we just found ourselves at odds a lot because we were assuming that the other knew what we were meaning by not saying it. And I did this a lot more than you did. But there were certainly times where he ran into the same problem, too. And so I remember one time in particular, Dave came to me, and he was just like, Ashley, he's like, I can tell you are so frustrated with me. But he goes, I just don't know what it is. I mean, he's like, I feel like we've got to talk about things or we're not gonna get anywhere. And I'm like, what do you mean? Cause then I was kind of convinced, too. And I blame Hallmark movies, even though I love them. But I was convinced, too, that, well, I mean, if he really loved me, you know, he would just figure it out, and he would.

Like the guy in the Hallmark movie.

Yeah. Who has a script. He's not even a real person.

Right, right. Exactly. He has a script.

And I just. I really. And then I thought, too, well, I don't want to rock the boat. And so I'm just not going to act like I have any issue with anything, and I'm just going to stuff it down. And if he doesn't figure it out, I guess I'll just deal with it and we'll just live in this dynamic that I'm really disappointed with. And so around and around we go. Okay. And we did that many, many times. And all I found was that I was getting frustrated, he was getting frustrated, and that we would eventually end up fighting over something and realizing at the end of the day, we wanted the same thing, but not really knowing how to communicate. And so we knew that we had to actually. We had to learn, like, from people who knew about communication. And so we read some books eventually, too. We ended up in counseling, which really Helped. And, you know, really what. Ultimately, we'll get more into this down the road on the podcast. And we have had podcast episodes about this. But, like, one of the reasons we went to counseling was to actually learn how to navigate some really difficult in law dynamics and family dynamics. But what we found in counseling was one of our issues was really not knowing how to communicate in a proper way with each other. And I think one of the best things we did was meet with a counselor, because it really opened that door to, like, hey, you don't have to keep stepping on each other's toes and assuming and miscommunicating. Like, you actually have to sit down, slow it down, and talk to each other. Speaking the truth in love.

Yeah. And just being willing to reach out for help.

Yes.

I think asking for help is sometimes one of the most difficult, but one of the most transformative things you can do. And that's the step a lot of couples never get to because they're like, we're just gonna figure this out on our own. And you let pride get in the way, and you don't ask for help. And this is true of every part of life. I was listening to an interview recently with the singer Jelly Roll, and Jelly Roll's great. And he talked about his lifelong struggle with obesity and food addiction and how he was really near death. His health had gotten so bad, and he had tried to figure this out on his own, and his pride just never let him ask for help. But he realized the hardest thing that I can do, the most important thing that I can do, is is simply ask for help, to say, I can't figure this out on my own. And he said, the moment I did that, things started to change, and I started learning from people that knew things I didn't. I started having help and support. And he's lost several hundred pounds. He's getting so skinny, his friends are calling him Veggie Roll. He said, now it's the same in marriage. Like, if you are struggling with communication, with parenting, with sex, with any part of marriage, it's great that you're. I mean, in some ways, you're asking for help. By listening to this podcast, it's showing wisdom. You're learning from others. It's something that we try to do constantly. We're continuing to learn about all things, including marriage. But it might come to a point where this isn't enough, and you need additional personalized help. You need to reach out to a counselor, to a mentor, to a pastor, to a friend, to one of the coaches here at XO to do an intensive to somebody who can come alongside you and give you that help that you need. And the moment you'll get to that point, it really can make a difference. And we've had to do this. Like Ashley's already mentioned, we've done it through counseling. We've done it through mentors. When we came to an impasse in our communication about parenting, we could not get on the same page with parenting. We decided to reach out to an older couple at church who their kids were. Were grown, and they weren't a perfect family, but they were a healthy family. And we asked them if they would just come over for dinner and answer our questions about parenting. And they were so honored to come and share what they learned. And then they continued to be encouragers to us even after that. And it was so freeing to know, like, hey, we don't have to figure this out on our own. So, guys, you don't have to figure out all your marriage stuff on your own. Everybody has issues in their relationship. And if you get stuck because you scroll through Instagram and you see everybody's highlight reels and you think everybody else has got it figured out but us, that's not true. Everybody has their own struggles when you look beyond the highlight reels and the filters. But the couples that are truly healthy most of the time are the ones who figured this out. That I'm never going to be too proud to ask for help. I'm gonna keep learning, keep growing, not let my pride get in the way. And I think that's the way it is the way.

And I think one of the best things that we did that helped our marriage kind of towards the beginning of our marriage, was being part of a small group. And that's looked different. We've continued that in different seasons of our marriage. But being in a small group that either is working on strengthening your marriage, that's beautiful. A lot of churches offer this, and they go through different curriculums to strengthen your marriage. But also even being part of a group with other married couples from different seasons of marriage, where you're maybe doing something with them, like doing a certain ministry together. Like, for example, early in our marriage, we were part of a youth ministry at a church, and it was all made up of couples, but we weren't all in the same season of marriage. Like, we had people who were about 10 years ahead of us in marriage. And just even without them realizing it, us watching them and learning from them really made an impression on us, because it's always good to be able to learn from people who are a little further ahead of you, and especially if you feel like they have, you know, a pretty strong marriage. I mean, no perfect marriages are out there, but somebody that you would like to emulate because you can really learn a lot from a person when you're serving and doing life together. And we certainly did when we were part of the Lighthouse ministry over at Northeast Christian Church in Lexington, Kentucky. And I'm forever grateful to those people. In fact, we were on a walk during a visit, I think, one Thanksgiving recently, and we're just out walking. It was freezing, you know, and we live in Georgia now, so we're like wimps. And we had on all this stuff. But one of those people recognized us, the Hayes family. And he was like, hey, hey. And he came up to us and he was like, guys, it's me. You know, and it was just like he was one of those people. Him and his wife Robin, like, really made an impression on us. And they didn't know it at the time, but they were about 10 years ahead of us in their marriage. And, like, I think about them, I think about watching them and how they related to each other, how they related to their kids, and they were clearly

best friends with each other.

Best friends.

They had a lot of fun in their marriage. And look for mentors that enjoy each other. Right?

Absolutely.

I think somewhere along the way, we started thinking, like, oh, well, marriage isn't about fun. Well, it's about a lot more than just fun, but fun should be a part of it. Of mentor I have now and a friend, Brad Rhodes, who leads the In Maryland. Yeah, they lead a organization called Grace Marriage, which is a great organization that does, like, curriculum and stuff for churches. But part of his mission is, like, I'm just trying to help people have fun in their marriage because so many people are just, like, not enjoying each other. And I'm thinking, I'd rather be hanging out with my wife than doing anything on earth. Like, and I can't imagine not living that way. And they really live that. And so it's infectious to be around them because they really live it and love that. And so I want to be that way, too. And I want to encourage you to find some mentors like that where, again, it's about more than fun. You have to have depth. You're going to go through hard times no matter what. But even in the hard season of marriage, you got to be able to laugh. You have to be able to keep your sense of humor and you have to communicate. Coming back specifically to this communication part, I think if you're having that mutually respectful fun, we're best friends, we're partners mentality, then a few things are gonna be off the table. You're gonna decide in advance. We're not gonna insult each other, we're not going to cuss at each other, we're not gonna name call each other. You just have to have some things that you both decide, like this is out of bounds and I don't care if we grew up in homes where this happened. I don't care if we even did this in our own past. These things have to be out of bounds. I would also encourage you to make a policy of like, we're not going to ever argue or talk about anything of real importance via text message because,

hey, say that again, sweetie. People, say it again. I'm serious, say it again. So many this is a big deal.

Dumb marriage arguments are the result of you're talking about important stuff via text message where you can't read into tone, you can't read into like all of the non verbals. It's a toxic way to have an important conversation. It's brilliant for sending funny memes back and forth and tiktoks and stuff, which Ashley and I do all day. Do that to make each other laugh. You know, like I'll be in the bathroom and just sitting there like, oh, you gotta look at this one. It's hilarious and it's great for texting that kind of stuff. Or quick check ins or hey, what time are you gonna be home and all that. But people have these like typing out multi paragraph things and emotionally charged. And I'm like, this is ridiculous. This is your spouse. Like talk to each other, right? And it's going to get you to a solution so much faster. It's going to avoid unnecessary miscommunication. So you guys, a lot of the frustration people have in marriage is in just doing things that are making it harder than it has to be.

Right? No, I'm so glad you talked about that because I do think we live in a world where this is happening more. And this isn't to make fun of that because I can see where you can get into that. I can see it. And I just want to add this. He's talking about text messages which are private between the two of you. But I've also seen this on social media. Like I've seen where husbands and wives take it public and go to Facebook, they go to Instagram, comments, like sometimes on Our posts on Instagram or Facebook, there will be couples that will have a fight with each other. And that is just completely out of bounds. You guys. Like, that's embarrassing. It's just below the belt. Don't do that. You're not doing yourself or your spouse any favors. But back to the texting. I had a couple that I was counseling with, and they kept on finding, like, they would find their footing as a couple, and then something would go a little sideways and they would text each other. They would do exactly what you were saying. They would send, even in the same house, long text messages. And in their mind, I remember in talking with the wife, she said, well, I want to make sure that I get everything out. Like, so I get where she's coming from.

Right.

And I was like, I want you to take that off of your phone and put it in a journal. And then I want you to go and sit with your husband face to face and actually talk to him. Because what you will find is some of those things that you feel like have to be said. Bring those before the Lord first, look at it in a journal and then edit it and realize what really is going on with you guys and then bring it to him in conversation. Stop having these very important conversations over text. And what do you know over time when they stop just that one thing you're talking about, it's been so much. They've had so much more peace in their home. And really, she said there's been so much more understanding because they're actually able to talk it out. Because what was happening with him is he would get this text from her and he would see this huge, like, onslaught of words and he would just glaze over and immediately get flooded with emotion and be angry and not even want to read the whole thing, you know?

Yeah, sure.

And so it wasn't helping either one of them. And so that is a huge part of communicating in a healthy way.

Right. And not just in marriage. And that's something.

Oh, you're right.

I've had to learn kind of the hard way, because we lean into wherever we feel strong. And I feel like I can write out my words or my argument or whatever in a way that's more compelling sometimes than I could sit down in the moment and say. And so I've had even work conversations send out super long emails or texts that I know on the other end now I'm becoming more self aware to know they're just rolling their eyes like, oh, my gosh, Dave, chill with these things. And so I've tried to back off of that. Because communication, it's not just the message you send. You have to think about it from the perspective of how the message is being received. Yes, because that's really what communication is, is the message received. And if it's not being received in the right way, or if it's too much or whatever, you just have to be mindful of those things. But especially in marriage, give the best of your communication to your spouse and always speak Ephesians 4, 32. Again, the Bible is the ultimate guidebook for all these things. Be kind and compassionate to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God, through Christ has forgiven you and man, that one verse is so profound as it relates to how to communicate. Another great verse from Proverbs says, a gentle answer deflects wrath, but harsh words stir up anger. And man, that one verse could save your marriage from a lot of unnecessary fights. It's like when things are getting emotionally charged, if you answer with gentleness, it. It can help diffuse the situation and lead to a solution. If you answer it in an emotionally charged way, it's like throwing gasoline on that fire.

It really is. And I think just even waiting five seconds before you just give a response right back, like, take a deep breath, slowly count to five to yourself. That can really help to regulate your system if you're feeling a little bit on edge and it can really save you from saying hurtful things. And if five seconds isn't long enough, make it 10, make it 15. Maybe you excuse yourself and say, listen, I'm feeling really just overwhelmed right now and really angry. I don't want to say things I don't mean. Can you give me 15 minutes? Because I'm going to go take a walk, I'm going to go take a drive. I'm going to go pray for a little bit in my room, whatever that looks like. It's so important that we take that time, but we don't leave each other hanging. See, that's the kicker is if you need time to process because, you know, likely the two of you process things differently. And I know in our marriage, like, like, I like to usually talk things out in real time, process my feelings. So I'm not always looking for a solution. I'm kind of just needing a listening ear. And Dave knows that about me now, but in the beginning of our marriage, he would be like, trying to fix it. And I'm like, no, no, I just wanna talk about it. And he's like, but there's this Solution over here. I'm seeing and what you're saying. I'm like, no, no, no. Just hear me out. And it would frustrate him. And in the same way, I would frustrate her. Yeah. Because he wouldn't have. Like, sometimes I would have an issue that I needed to talk to you about, and you would look at me like deer in headlights.

Right. Cause he. You would have all this stuff to share. And I'm just looking at her not saying anything, and I'm thinking to myself, like, this is so many words. I don't know how to process all of it. And she was communicating, trying to connect. I am feeling overwhelmed and flooded by just the volume of all of it and not wanting to say the wrong thing in the moment. And so me being silent as I'm processing, she took as, oh, he doesn't care as much as I do, because he's not even saying anything.

Right. Like, he's just not listening. He doesn't care.

And really, it was both. It's just processing it differently. And everybody has their own unique style and just neurological wiring for how we process communication, how we process disagreement. Some people want to face it right then they want to jump into it right then.

That's usually me.

Yeah. And then other people need to step away and really take some time to process it. Not forever. Not just keep hitting the snooze button on it, but take some time, clear their head, gather their thoughts, and then return to it, which is more my approach. And you need to make room for each other. And it's gonna take both of you stepping out of your comfort zone a little bit to meet in the middle.

Yes. Cause neither one of those is wrong.

No, it's not.

You actually need both. And sometimes the situation you're facing may require one of those or the other. Right. And so what we learn from this, and what I often tell couples, and Dave will tell couples, too, is that we need to honor each other in our different ways of processing things. But so, like, let me give an example. So let's say that I've really got something on my heart, and I tell Dave a little bit of it, but he's getting really flooded with emotion over it, because maybe he feels offended by what I said, or he feels like maybe I'm seeing it wrongly or whatever that looks like. Instead of me just pushing him to have this conversation right now, he can tell me, listen, you know, Ashley, I value what you have to say. I'm trying to understand it and get my head around it, and My emotions around it. Can I go take 30 minutes? Or maybe it's longer. Maybe I can just think on this and pray on it until tonight. And then the two of you say, let's agree on this time. Let's agree on 4pm or whatever, and we're gonna talk about it then. And if for some reason one of you can't find the energy, the wherewithal, the emotions aren't in check at that time, then you talk to each other about it and say, well, maybe it can happen at 4, but it's gonna happen at 6. But you just don't keep prolonging it. And you, like, have an actual time so that both of you are feeling seen and honored in that moment. Right? Like, the one who really needs to talk about it isn't just, you know, being spun a story and being put off, but the one who needs time is getting that time. And so it's just. It all comes down to really honoring each other and how we're wired and not expecting to change the other person. And I was so guilty of this. Like, I'm like, no, no, no. When we know how to communicate, we do it now. And I've realized, like, no, no. Like, there's a lot of ways to communicate in a healthy way. And I don't want to just keep forcing you to give me an answer when you're not even able to process it. Like, that's unfair to you and frankly, to me, because then I'm never really getting a true answer from you. And I want to know what's on your heart.

And you never want to assume that, you know, like, that communication is not necessary because, well, I already know. I know what she's thinking. I know what he's. I read a study that was actually kind of depressing that said the demographic of couples who are least likely to accurately guess what their spouse is thinking are the couples who've been married the longest. And the research dug in to say that they think the reason why is that over time, a lot of couples, maybe most couples, get into this lack of communication habit where at the beginning they were communicating about everything, wanting to learn everything they could about each other. But then over time, they started to think, well, I already know the answer to that. I already know how she would respond. I already know what he wants, what he likes. But the whole time, they're both changing. Life is changing. The circumstances are changing, new challenges. Like, we're becoming different versions of ourselves all the time. I mean, not at the core of who we are. But in our response to things, in our desires and our fears and all of it. And if we're not constantly connected with communication, you're growing into two different people, and. And you'll become two strangers if you're not careful. And I think that's part of why there's an epidemic of older couples getting divorced, especially like new empty nesters, where you've been focused on the kids. It's been all about them. All your communication has been about logistics and who's picking up who and all that. And then all of a sudden, your kids grow up, they're out of the house. The one assignment that was keeping the two of you connected and communicating is now gone. You realize you don't even know who the other one is anymore. And so many couples are calling it quits, which is so sad. And it doesn't have to be that way. In fact, it can't be that way. We have to do better. And it means staying connected through communication in every step. I think it's the single most important aspect of marriage. I think it's more important than sex. I think it's more important than maybe anything else. Because if you're not communicating, then none of those other things are going to fix it.

Right?

Right. So you could connect sexually and have a great experience there in a physical sense. But if you're not connected emotionally through communication, then that alone is pretty hollow. Now, if that's an overflowing of the connection you have for one another through communication, then it's only going to make things a lot stronger. But there's no substitute for communication.

Well, because communication is the very thing that keeps connection going. And those are the two huge things that usually are right at the top of marriage breaking down. Right. It usually starts with those two things together. And I think, too, you know, we haven't talked a lot about this, but we will continue as we. As we talk about the Naked marriage in subsequent episodes. But when it comes to communication, it's really important as Christians that we also, you know, we take these struggles we're having to the Lord and. And we take this to the Lord individually through our own individual prayer lives. But we also take them to the Lord as a couple because there's such power in praying out loud together. In fact, I mean, there's been all these studies on couples who pray out loud. I just saw a recent one. Couples who pray out loud together regularly have a less than 1% chance of divorce. Less than 1%. I mean, Dave, that's crazy.

It is.

That is crazy.

I've seen that stat multiple places, and I firmly believe it. I've never personally known a couple get divorced that were actively every day praying together. I've never known it. And I've known a lot of people through the years that have gotten divorced, sadly.

But, I mean, I thought that was incredible.

It is. Yeah.

I'm not surprised. But that stat is just. So you're saying, like, 99% will stay married? Over 99. I guess over 99% will stay married. I mean, if you're gonna flip kind of the. But that's just incredible. And I know that's something that early on in our marriage that you really were like, sweetie, we need to do this. And at first, because David had just a lot more ministry experience. He'd been a Christian longer than I had been a Christian, knew the Bible more than I knew the Bible at the time. And I just felt really inadequate. And I had kind of believed that. That lie of the enemy, I think, because I do. We know we have an enemy of our souls. We have an enemy of our marriages. Because marriage was God's idea, obviously. And. And he's whispering that lie that, like, oh, you don't need to do that. It's embarrassing anyway. You just, you know, you do. You. And I think that the reason so many of us, like myself, felt, you know, we feel really intimidated is because Satan knows how powerful this is. And of course, he doesn't want couples to do it. Right. And I remember I really had to push against that. Cause it felt a little odd to me. I'd never done that, you know. But now, I mean, every night you'll pray out loud over us. And I just love that there's times I do that, and. And there's times it doesn't have to be at night. I mean, we'll just do it on a car ride, like, lord, please help us with this, or whatever. But it just. It's become a huge part of our marriage and has been a huge part of our marriage, really, all of our marriage. But that was something where I had to really overcome my fear of sounding stupid or biblically illiterate. And I just thought, oh, I won't have the words. And. But God's really, you know, worked on my confidence in that. And really, I realized it's just talking to God, our Father, who wants to hear from us. We don't have to have the perfect words about that. It's really about submitting our lives to him and humbling ourselves towards God and towards one another. And I always say this, like, it's really hard to stay mad at your spouse and pray for them at the same time. And if you don't believe me, I dare you to do it. Just do it. Try it.

Just try.

And your circumstances may not change at all, but God will soften your heart, because that's what he does when a couple prays together. And so I would, you know, as far as your communication, let that be a big part of your marriage, because that's going to keep. That's gonna keep your hearts tethered to the Lord first and foremost, but also to each other. But it really enables us to have those soft hearts that it talks about in the Bible, which we're gonna need through some really hard times, because it's so easy to turn on each other and see each other as, oh, you're the problem. You know, if only you changed, if only you did this, we'd be through this thing. And once we get there, even if some of that is true, you know, it's not going to help us when we see each other as the enemy. We have to realize we're on the same team, and we're either going to win together or lose together. And how we win together is we keep on going towards the Lord, we keep on humbling ourselves towards him and towards one another, and we keep on talking in a healthy way.

So good. So good, guys. I hope you enjoyed that conversation. And most importantly, we hope it sparks some healthy conversations in your marriage. That's really the goal of all these episodes, is to get the two of you talking in a deeper way. We always end an episode with a question. You can submit a question to us to potentially be read on the air. You can do that a number of ways. You can write us on Instagram, aveandashleywillis or go to nakedmarriagepodcast.com Today's question is a complicated one.

Okay.

It's a good one. Says, I'm really attracted to one of my husband's friends. I would just avoid him altogether, but it would make things even more awkward. I don't want to tell my husband because I don't want to hurt his feelings. I hate that I have this attraction. What should I do? So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot there, right? Because I'll say this first, like, attraction in itself, being attracted to someone in itself isn't a sin. You can't help that you notice someone is attractive or that you feel a connection to you feel a draw to them. What we do with that feeling, with that thought is really the key. Like, if we let that thought turn into fantasy, that is toxic, that becomes sin. If we let that thought become something it shouldn't. But noticing, like, hey, I feel attraction to this person, which means I need to be careful around this person. But free yourself up from thing. Like, if I ever notice someone else is attractive, it means that I'm. Now, if we let that go from noticing to, like, actively lusting and fantasizing, of course, that's a completely different conversation. But if you have this feeling that you can't escape and it's with somebody that you can't totally avoid, what do you do with that man?

I mean, so it's her husband's friend, okay? He's around a lot, and she doesn't see. She doesn't want to tell her husband because she doesn't want to hurt his feelings. I mean, I know that's a hard thing to do. I'm wondering. I wish I had more to this story because I feel like there's more to the context of this story. But I'm with you, sweetie. Like, I think that if you just think somebody's attractive or, you know, you enjoy talking to them, that in and of itself isn't bad. But if this has turned to, like, fantasy, like, it's keeping you up at night, it's distracting you, it's bringing, like, on nervousness, and it's like, something that the enemy is using to mess with you. I think that. And it's, like, been, like, a consistent thing. I think that's where, you know, you might need to go ahead and confess this to your husband because it's becoming, like, a stronghold in your life.

Any kind of secret. Like, I understand. She's like, I don't want to hurt him.

Right. I get it.

And if you just say, like, every. Every person, every. Oh, I think they're attractive. I think they're. I mean, that could, like, chip away at your.

Exactly right.

So there's a difference between deception and discretion. We want to have no secrets, but we don't have to, like, every thought that comes in our heads. We don't have to verbalize. You know, we have. But if something is lingering, like, it appears to be with her, I think it's to the point where it would be wise to tell your husband to say, listen, I would never act on this. You're the only one for me. I love you more than you can imagine. But I just don't want there to be any ever secrets between us. And if you ever notice that I'm acting weird around this friend, it's because I have this feeling, this unwanted feeling of attraction to him. I'm just. I just feel that. And so I try to kind of avoid him. I know he's a great guy and he's a great friend of yours, and I'm thankful for that. And I think this is just kind of like, just a weird little splinter in my brain that I haven't been able to totally get out. But I just want to share that with you. One, for accountability and honesty. Two, to remind you that I'm never gonna hold any secret back from you that could come between us. And three, just so you have some context, if I leave, if I like kind of leave the room or whatever when this guy's around. And maybe you could kind of even help cover for me. Because I don't want anything, even just a random thought in my own head to be a wedge between us.

I love that. Sweetie, I know that's a hard conversation, but I really feel like when it becomes like this distraction, like I said, if we add more to the context, maybe it isn't as it hasn't turned into total full on fantasy distraction. But. But it sounds like it has. And if it has, that is becoming, you know, what the Bible refers to as maybe a stronghold where it's holding you even back from your husband and it's messing with you and you're having all these unwanted feelings. And that is where confession is so powerful. It talks about that in the book of James. And you know, confession first and foremost to the Lord. I mean, he already knows, but he wants us to bring things like this to him first and surrendering it to him, but then telling it to your husband, it's like kind of unlocking the door that's got you feeling like you're in this cage and you don't know where to go, you don't know what to do. Cause you. Because we don't make good decisions when we're in panic. But I know the enemy's whispered lies to her. Like, you know what, it's just gonna hurt his feelings. This is your issue to deal with. But yet she's feeling trapped by it. And so that confession would be something to help her feel untrapped by this. And it's out in the open and it doesn't have that power over you anymore. But I would also encourage her to keep praying to the Lord, like, lord, please remove this desire. Help me to only have a desire for my husband. I don't want to be distracted by this and just say, lord, help me break free from this. I think that it's really twofold, you know, when it comes to that. Praying to the Lord first surrendering it to him, but also going to the husband and confessing it.

And I would. I like to do little mental games with, you know, unwanted images in my mind. So, like, anytime you see him or anytime he comes to mind, just picture a giant booger hanging out of his nose.

There you go.

Every time. Big old Boog, like, you can't even see him without. And then all of a sudden it'd be a little less attractive. So you're welcome. Feel free to use that.

Hey, mind is powerful.

Mind is powerful.

We can do those things. That's right. God gives us that power to take those thoughts captive.

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