The Rise of China & the Decline of the US: Navigating a New Global Order!

All right, hello everybody and welcome to Geopolitical Trends, where truth matters. Uh, my guest is not here yet, so I figured I'm just gonna, you know, go live here and wait for him till he gets here. He's in Australia, it's different time zone. It's about probably, what, 9:30, I think, their time over there. So, so I figured I'd just start and, uh He'll be here. So let me see who is here, by the way. Just say hi to— oh, Poyansu, good to see you again. You know, uh, man, Bilko from Maryland. You know what part? I wonder what part in Maryland. You know, I used to, you know, work in Washington, but I'll be driving a lot through Maryland to get to Pennsylvania. So Yanis Demisi, good to see you from Seattle. Uh, Alba Beck, you know. Oh, is Warwick doing two interviews at the same time? I'm not aware of that. You know, we scheduled it for here, so unless something happens, so, uh, who else is here? Uh, Al, Alim, good to see you. Q7E, good to see you. Phil from Canada, good to see you. Aroha. So yeah, I figured to just, uh, start with the conversation here and, and, and wait for him to show up here. He'll be here, uh, for tomorrow, I think the 14th. Yes, that's when I'm scheduled to have Rick Turan from Shanghai tomorrow. We'll be talking about— he's into fintech and finance and all that stuff. So I'll be having him tomorrow on the show at, uh, 2100 hours, actually, till about 9 o'clock my time PM here. It will be about 10 AM Shanghai time the next day. So anyway, this is what, uh, I'm gonna be addressing today, just to wait for my guest to come here. Then we'll be talking about a host of issues ranging from, you know, where the economy of Australia is headed to, for example, now the outcome. There's now voices inside Australia, especially from, like, for example, the former Prime Minister Paul Keating, who is now sort of, you know, calling on Albo, come on, man, where are you dragging the country into? So it's very, very problematic for them where things are headed. And then we'll be talking probably about China's Two Sessions, especially on the economic front. You know, just FYI, my guest does have a background. I put a full background, his bio for you in the description in the video. Uh, so there's a full, full background there, uh, for his, uh, academic and management and technical stuff. So, all right, let me see. I'm gonna go check the, the X to see if he sent a message there, and, uh, 5 minutes. Yes, I did send him the link there, so we just wait a little bit till he shows up, if he shows up. So if not, we'll just carry on the conversation. So why not? I'll have a live stream twice with you here, but it would be no history and no geography for that. So, uh, Lori, uh, hello people from Australia. Uh, Francis Tango, of course. And, uh You know, there's not a lot because it's the timing is in the morning. Uh, Lori, you wrote, hello, Doc, I have a question. Uh, do you think the AUKUS deal will happen under Trump? Uh, most likely it will because just a lot of people do not know that in, in the US, the president, uh, just president doesn't have a power here. They'll force him or her to do whatever the entity wants. And AUKUS is going to move forward. Now, the problem with that is, even though we've hearing already that Trump's going to now force countries in NATO that do not meet their contribution, the 2% on their defense budget, to be kicked out. I just don't see that happening either because that means NATO won't exist, which truly I applaud him if he does that. But I know, I used to work in Washington, I'm very familiar with how the dynamics work over there. I don't see that happening. It's our system, it's gone. So, and this is part of how a lot of people do not understand the ins and outs of American domestic politics. So yes, you do have a president. Yes, you do have this and that, but It's all what's going on behind the scenes. That's, that's the way I see it. Uh, Barry Cohen, I did see you put you here. Good morning from Malaysia. Uh, I did hear about the, uh, recent, uh, uh, what was going on, the project, uh, between Malaysia and China, something that's been built. Uh, it's completed. So I'm gonna look into that and, and I might do, uh, an update video on that. Speaking of that, while I'm thinking about it, I did reach out to Carl Zha to invite him back on the show. So I'm waiting to hear back from him, and if he comes back, we're gonna do, uh, we're gonna tackle the economic aspects. Uh, uh, that's, that's what I intend to do, especially in the, in the aftermath of the two sessions that just took place in Beijing. So Uh, that is, uh, the other thing that I came across, which I save all those, uh, it's a project that's going on in, uh, I believe in, uh, Cambodia. China's involving, uh, uh, in Cambodia now for some projects over there. So I'm gonna take a look at that because I need to also learn. I've been in Cambodia before, but it was a brief trip, so I'll be, I'll be seeing Just be seeing what, what, what's going on with that, and I will report back to you. Oh, Alba, back, you wrote, uh, Congress ban TikTok. Well, you know why? Do you guys know why politicians want to ban TikTok? Can you type in the answer? Why do you think? Uh, that is correct, uh, Lori. That is the reason why they put him through, uh, that, uh, you know, it's not right. You know, I don't agree with Trump on so many things, but, uh, what's right is right. He has the right to run for office. Let people decide, you know. And that's why the corruption of our system. So, uh, Barry Cohen, that is still, uh, is TikTok going to be banned in the US? Uh, most likely if Congress passed a— I don't have a TikTok account, but I do know I just read a story today that some member of Congress said something that was a lie, but it was caught on TikTok. So, and a lot of young people here in the US using TikTok, so that makes more, more, uh, more sense as to why that is. So politicians wants to ban it, not about national security, it's not about that, it was about being exposed. Because TikTok would expose them. So, and that's, that's what I see, uh, uh, is the same argument being made about, uh, the, the chips, microchips, when the US decided to sanction, uh, uh, China about that. And I intend to address that one, uh, uh, on, uh, on, uh, tomorrow when I do my conversation with Rick Turan, because we're going to be talking about that part as well. So, uh, Army with Harmony, you wrote, Carl just put an excellent episode on EVs, and I intend to address that with him, uh, if once he sees my text. I did, uh, my, uh, message on, on X. I sent him one, see, just to find out when he is available, uh, to come on the show, and we'll do a conversation about the economics. The same thing I'm gonna do about India, the economic India outlook, uh, given that the upcoming elections in April, uh, so they're already saying that the economy of India is doing great, whatever, which the data doesn't support that argument. So I'm gonna probably invite, uh, uh, you know, whether you like him or not is beside the point. The guy is relevant and what he's saying is objective. So of course a lot of people do not like the truth. So I mean, uh, what, what else do you do? What else you do? So, uh, but, but truth matters. And, and for me personally, I'm not gonna shy away from that. I will keep speaking the truth because that's how it works. So, and we'll see from there. So, uh, World Peace, you know what we're gonna do? We're just gonna keep going on the conversation here, guys. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. If my guest shows up today, that is fine. If not, we'll reschedule it. I'm sure just something happens, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot out there. Farhad Razavi, good to see you as always. Good to see you. And I do see Phil, you put BRICS earlier right there. I did see BRI and BRICS, and those will come very, very important and crucial moving forward. As to where those dynamics now. And this is why I had to do that video for you guys about Australia holding this, that dialogue with ASEAN countries. Well, here is the thing that I need you to know. The US Secretary of Commerce already went to two locations, Philippines and Thailand. It's proved— it's, uh, she, she said that the US is going to put in a billion dollar for the electric batteries or the chips, whatever, in Philippines and another project in Thailand. I can see why she's doing that when, you know, we are not going to be able to compete moving forward that now China has sort of moved forward into a different realm as far as technological, military technological advancement or progress that we see. So I don't see how we're going to, uh, uh, stop that. So the question to me, uh, if I were in, in politics involved, I will be saying, how about finding a way of cooperating with Chinese instead? So now we're going to be wasting a billion dollar in Philippines and Thailand. I don't know what's going to be accomplished with that. And Thailand, most likely, more so than Philippines, Thailand will not be leaning more towards whatever the US says. Uh, I can see the Philippines doing that, but not all, uh, uh, stripes of society in Philippines. I just don't see that because it's becoming clear now to the Filipinos that Marcos Jr. is taking the country on a wrong path. So that's just, uh, uh, how I see, uh, uh, that moving forward. Uh, there's a question here from Q207. Do you think it was Ukraine that attacked the Russian oil refinery or NATO? Well, when you say Ukraine, you think about NATO that provides certain aspects for that. They just want to push Russia to the— really, and I do believe Russia will react if it is pushed too hard. So far, the Russian president is using restraint. You know, you kind of— this is what a leader ought to do, but only to a degree. You keep pushing the Russians to that point, they're going to snap back. And if they snap back, this is why they're saying they are having, uh, uh, the, uh, they are open to the usage of nuclear weapons. You know, for the last 30 years, I hardly ever heard the Russians talking like this. And to me, this is an indication that they are getting— they, NATO, pushing this and the US, they got into really, really to the red lines where it will be no point of return. And I hope that doesn't happen, but at the same time, I can see why Russia will do this now that they are moving their troops on the border with Finland and putting, as Putin puts it, destructive systems. I can, as an analyst, I read between the lines. That's a reference to tactical nuclear weapons. Straightforward. There is no other alternative because they don't need to put the strategic one because the strategic ones are already in Glover Base, which is in the Arctic, and Russia has upgraded that and so far. So that's to me the way I read it. And if they keep pushing, because now here is the thing, the conflict in Ukraine exposed the weakness and the ill-preparedness of NATO. NATO is no match for Russia. France is no match for Russia. Germany is no match for Russia. And that's just how I see this moving forward. So I think it was Ukraine used it, but it got the nods from the US and NATO. So that's the way I see it. Ah, Juan, good to see you. As always. Uh, all right, let's see what time is it. I'm gonna check the Twitter one more time to see if my guest get the message there. Uh, no, I didn't see it. There is no response to it. Okay, I guess I'm gonna have to— I mean, I'll answer a few questions from you guys and they probably will have to reschedule this with him. Uh, for next week. That depends again on his schedule. So I don't know, we were supposed to do this on Friday and I requested, uh, if we can change it to either 13th or Saturday. So I moved ahead with the 13th and sent him a confirmation for it. But sometimes things can get lost, you know how it is. Uh, John Smith, New Zealand, uh, president equal puppet. Absolutely, it's different. Now with the guy of Donald Trump, it's slightly different because he's not part of the establishment, but at the same time they won't let him do what he wants to do. So, uh, and we shall see, we shall see. Uh, yeah, so another question from Barry. I think I already answered that one about TikTok. Uh, so yeah, if you guys have a question, just put it in right now and we'll, uh, we'll talk about it. Uh, let me see another question from you. Uh, Francis Tango, you mentioned, has anyone perhaps saw Marco's last interview? Uh, I didn't, uh, I didn't. So, so, uh, excuse me, you're a doctor of Macron. Macron exposed NATO unwillingness to send troops to Ukraine. How will this impact other allied countries? Well, you know, when you think about NATO, who are you thinking about? Because remember the major players: UK, Germany, France, Italy to a degree, and Turkey and Canada. Did you guys know that even our neighbor to the north, Canada, is not putting its 2% of the defense budget for NATO? Yeah. So you got Canada, Germany, France, they're not putting it. We are. We are taxpayers' dollars. So, so when France exposed that, of course they're not going to send that because you all know that now the Russia has destroyed the Abrams tanks, US tanks, that we pride ourselves on those tanks. They were destroyed. So it exposed how vulnerable NATO forces are. So if the US, US will not put US forces— yes, there are special ops there behind the scenes, which Russia, by the way, is aware of. But officially, the US will not put troops there. They will be slaughtered. No other NATO will put his troops there, or a whole NATO for that matter, because they know they can't— they are no match to Russia. It's now became clear that what Russia produces as far as ammo, ammunition, is twice as much as the West does. We are running almost short You know, here's the thing, and I tell you this just out of, uh, uh, uh, out of sort of, uh, uh, thinking out loud. If there is a conflict, military conflict right now between the US and China, we won't have enough ammo. Mark my word on it. This is why we are trying behind the scenes to figure out another way to resolve the issue. And this is why the firing or the resignation of, uh, evil Victoria Nuland sort of sent both messages. And I did a survey question for you guys. Majority said that she was fired. It's because it became clear that whatever the plan for Ukraine turns out to be not right. Uh, so that's the way I see it. Uh, Barry, Barry Quinn, he said, Dr. O, is Trump representing another group of elite that's pro-decoupling from China? That is correct. You know, Trump is gonna think about also what's in it for him. You know, our system is corrupted. I don't know how else to say it. There's no other word for it. It's corrupted to the core. It's just the way it is. And just unfortunately, till the system is replaced— when I say replaced, you tear it down and rebuild. I don't see that how it's gonna happen. Army with Harmony, you put updates on my trip. I am still dealing with the administrative aspects of it. I ran to a little hiccup now with one of the countries, and I do not like to put the details as to where I'm going and, and all that, and you all understand why, guys. So, so far I am still planning on it, uh, so we'll figure out the finances of that as I move forward. But you have to move first with the visa applications and all that stuff, and there's a little hiccup of sorts. It will work itself out. I'm not worrying about it. And if it is, still, I am hoping still to make it in about May, the time of May. I don't want to travel in the summer because I have other plans for that. So, so that's so far what it is. And I know sometimes I get these emails, you know, Dr. O wants to go to communist China and doesn't want to disclose where he's going. Well, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. If you've been doing what I've been doing, traveling around the world, security become part of your, your, your situation awareness. That's just, uh, uh, Lang Tao, uh, you wrote— let me share it here with all of us here— Abraham's and any tank can be destroyed. Who builds more with pity? You're absolutely correct. And we saw that, we saw that the Leopard, the German, turns out to be a disaster. And now even the Abrams themselves are sort of no match to what the— I don't even know what the Russians used. You know, maybe I'm gonna invite Scott Ritter to come over here and explain to us. You know, he's somebody— he was a former infantry, and he understands the ins and outs of all this. A question from Cosmo Ray. Let me see here. Dr. Oualaalou, what do you think of the US to build the temporary port in Gaza? I don't think it is temporary. It's not. And by the way, it's not Gaza because it's not the US, because NATO, uh, uh, the EU was pushing for it. So they want to put an alternative route which will benefit Israel, by the way. Ain't gonna benefit Gaza, or whatever you hear, ain't benefit the, the Palestinians or whatever. So So the ports will be just like a— I know someone criticized me for putting the, uh, the, uh, on the community about the drop of the food. And I said, uh, is this humanitarian aid or is it, or is this humiliation? And I said, it is humiliation and a kind of the, which I respect the person's opinion. He's entitled or she's entitled, entitled to her opinion. He said, well, something is better than nothing. Well, that's true, but if there is humiliation of it, I'd rather not have it at all. I'll die of hunger than just be humiliated. But again, that's me, that's the way I look at it. You look at like what took place during the— what the Japanese did to the Chinese, you know, would you— beside the atrocities and all that stuff, that's also humiliation. And how do you think Chinese will take that? This is the argument that I'm saying. It's not that the Chinese cannot forgive. I am sure they can if they choose to do so. But on the other hand, will they forget? I don't think so. You think about Vietnam, Vietnamese people, you think about Cambodian people, you think about Laos people, you know, are they going to forget? I don't think so. Will they forgive? Maybe, maybe not. So same thing for what's going on with this drop of the aid. Well, if you are to drop that from plane Why don't you force, you know, Israel to stop and you open a corridor? Because we are, we are contributing to it by providing weapons. So what else do you expect? To me, that's just how it works. So it's a, it's a, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's sad. It's really, really sad. Uh, Lori, you put, uh, Let me see here. Uh, Doc, does Congress and the House of Representatives have the vote on going to a war? Against whom? Yeah, if you can clarify this before I answer, Lori, just to make sure I understand your question, and I'll, I'll get back to it later on. Uh, uh, Farhad Razavi, yeah, that's a good point. That is good point. Tanks and airplanes. If, if you only see, uh, which I probably will talk about that tomorrow with Rick, the advancements of the technological military for the Chinese as to what they have developed. I mean, very impressive in such a short period. So that makes like even now an aircraft carrier as a big target, you know. And that's to me where you have to think, you as an analyst or as an observer, You have to think in terms of what the future of war is going to be, because we have to think in those terms. Uh, war, war now is going to be moving into a different realm. We saw what took place in Ukraine, the conflict, and you know, it's moving beyond that. And, and mind you, with all what's, what you saw, guys, Russia didn't even use a full force. So, uh, You got a question here. I'm not going to read out the word. You all know why. The HI Group blew up port soon after it is built. Uh, they could, but I don't see them doing that, Ansy. I won't see them doing that because there's a whole notion of why the HI Group doing whatever, it's for the Palestinian people. So why would they— I don't see them doing that. What I do see them doing is, uh, maintaining their stand. And they are the only two entities in the Muslim world and Arab world, all of it Two entities, the HI group and the HA group, as the rest of them to me again are useless. They are, they still talking about call for ceasefire, whatever. That's, we all know it's nothing but to divert the attention from what's really is going on in this. Uh, uh, so let me see if there is another question here from you guys. Uh, there are a lot of dynamics that's taking place, but again, the one thing that I will see, uh— oh, Matt, Matt Becky, you wrote, uh, our dictator Justin Trudeau, he's a dictator, yeah, uh, needs a vacation paid by taxpayer. Sorry, we can't afford, uh, yeah. And a little long where the housing market in, in Canada is right now, and even the poverty level. So, and the corruption that took place during a few years ago with the, uh, you know, you all know what, what took place in, in 2019 and all that. And turns out to be there were some bribes going on from his office, his involvement in it. So, and this is why I always say, and I can say it here, for this politician, what you do, you know, that's what you do. You set the tone. Trust me, you do it for 4 or 5, everybody will get in line. And again, it's not I'm heartless, it's sometimes you have to be decisive. Sometimes you have to be decisive. And to me, that's the only way I see. If there are those who will agree or who will, uh, start crying about, oh, human rights this and human rights that— no, no, no, no, no. If you get involved in corruption, you should be taken care of immediately. Not next year, not 5 years from now, within a week. That's the way I see it. All right, let me see here. Uh, uh, Hong Wong, you got question here. Doug, how do you, how do you see the landscape between North Korea, South Korea, and Japan within the next 10, 20, 30 years, 40 years? Well, it's, it's gonna be completely different. I will go even as early as 10 years. Because now you're talking about the major treaty that the US is going to be signing with South Korea, and Japan might be dragged into that. So I ain't gonna bode well for those two countries, especially when North Korea has nuclear weapons, has some massive destructive systems. This is why we couldn't attack it. So, and if any conflict gets into that region, I bet you they're gonna get involved. One way or another. It's because if they don't, things gonna spill over to their country. Because you all remember during World War I, I think some countries didn't want— like, for example, Belgium didn't want to get involved, and they end up being dragged into this. So countries will have to think. So North Korea in this case is going to think about the survival of their, uh, the, the Kim dynasty and so forth, and they're not going to hold back. And that will only, in my opinion, will pave the way that if those 4 countries, like I mentioned this morning, uh, uh, Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea form, uh, a military alliance, that will be formidable. That's gonna be the counterweight to, uh, NATO. And I don't think so NATO will be even a match for that, the firepower they're gonna have. Uh, Army with Harmony, how would North Korea take part in naval exercises? Well, they can just send their own, but they're not going to do that. I know they are under UN sanctions and all that stuff, but what are they going to do? Meaning the West, you know, if they— if North Korea get attacked, they will respond. And North Korea will not bluff, by the way. They will not bluff. They will launch whatever needs to be launched. Remember during the talks between— I don't know if you guys remember this when, uh, the former President Trump met with Kim Jong-un, right? So they met, right? And the building they met after, one week after, South Korea said something that wasn't— didn't settle well with the North. They went ahead and North Korea's leader's sister, she's the one who's managing this kind of stuff, she went ahead and blew up the building. Yeah, didn't have to think twice about it. So, and that's why I'm saying, no, no, North Koreans not going to bluff. Russians not going to bluff. If they start to feel that their security is threatened, they will use tactical nukes. And we all know which country first is going to be in line. This is why now you see, and if you guys notice, you, for those who live in Europe, why are you noticing now the mood in Europe, especially Eastern Europe? I'll give you an example of one country, Poland. What is Poland now doing? Poland wants to go back. It wants to reverse its course. This new president is pushing forward with not the same policy that Duda was embarked on. And this is why Poland itself went ahead and disclosed publicly that there is a presence of NATO troops in Ukraine. Didn't disclose which countries, but it disclosed some. So that shows me right there the cracks are becoming sort of more visible. Same thing with Hungary. Now there is a tit-for-tat between the US and Hungary. And of course, for us, we wanted to pressure through the European Union, which European Union threatens to sink the economy of Hungary. Yeah, so, uh, this is where I, I see those, those dynamics taking place. You have to watch for the signs to have clear read about how geopolitics is. You have to watch for the signs and of course to have a good read into what it means. That doesn't mean you will be off. Well, you will be off if you think completely in this direction and things are going this direction, of course. And this is why some Right here in the West, collectively, I'll give just an example about talking about what China is going to invade Taiwan, China's economy is going to collapse, the Russian economy is going to collapse and all that, which is not, you know, things are here and those analysts are, or whomever they are talking in this direction, just didn't make any sense. And I even heard it from some without naming names because I don't want to put people on the spot here., that they used to work in Washington. They were considered the analysts, and I was floored when I heard them saying the statements. So, and it's kind of like, uh, it, it's mind-boggling, mind-boggling. And the idea of, uh, of where things are headed, uh, well, you are right, Popcorn, you are right. Not all of them, but the majority are. Because you have to know who is the US ambassador to Poland. Do you guys know? And I did talk about this before, so if you guys remember, can anybody tell me? Let me see if you guys remember. Yeah, it take a while for it to show up here. It's just there's always this delay. And the US citizens, uh, no, no, no, the, uh, the ambassador. Do you know the name? The former Soviet countries should have read the fine print. That is correct. That is correct. Whoever wrote that one John Bolton. Now, Farhad is the son of none other than Brzezinski. And if you know anything about Brzezinski, he was the Russian hawk, the Soviet Union. He's the one who pushed Poland into— as a matter of fact, during his time, you all remember Leszcz Walesa, right, in Poland during the uprising? Well, who orchestrated that? It was Brzezinski, but they got the blessings of— they got blessings of an entity. Now, if you guys can guess who this entity is, I will raise my hat to you. I want to— I wanted to challenge you on this. Can you tell me which entity supported the Lichwa Lisa revolution, or demonstrations, or protests, whatever you call it? And you will be shocked to find out who that was. So, so, but it was Brzezinski that paved the way for that, and now his son is the ambassador, which means he's still influenced because they are Polish ethnically. So that doesn't mean they are Americans, but, but it won't matter. But still, oh my gosh, Sam Stone, you got it, man! It was John Paul II, the Pope. Yes, John Paul II was a nice guy, But also he was the one who pushed, meaning the Vatican pushed, for the demise of the communism. And of course, that's how it's all started. Yeah, an institution, sort of religious, that shouldn't get involved in this. And this is why now, even 2 days ago, Pope Francis said that, well, Ukraine needs to wave the white flag. Well, wait a minute, Pope. You know, to me that's hypocrisy. How can you say that about that Ukraine, but you didn't say it about the Palestinians? How come you didn't even say a word about what's taking place? Well, God doesn't want war. So I mean, stop that nonsense. You know, I respect your religion, whatever, but when it comes down to religion, I draw a line because I know how manipulative it can get. You're using a religion to justify the means. I know, right? So, so you're absolutely correct. You know, I was, uh, you know, I, I tip my hat to you. It was the Vatican, Pope John II, who got involved in this. Uh, you're right, Francis Tango Solidarity, that's what it was. It was under Lichfaliza, which we prompt through the CIA and so I don't know how it works now because our, our playbook now is exposed. Is exposed. So, well, we shall see how things gonna move. And again, the Vatican, uh, I'm debating whether to do a video on it at some point or not. Excuse me. Uh, well, usually, uh, you're right, Matt, when it comes to G5, Vatican plays a role behind the scenes. There are some dark secrets. And again, we're not judging the religion, that's not what I'm saying, you know. Uh, Catholics or Christians or Muslims or Hindus or, or Baha'i or whatever, whatever, whatever, Buddhism, whatever religion is yours, whatever your You, whatever, I respect it. I'm just talking about it as an entity. That's what I'm referring to. So, and this is where, uh, yes, the Vatican is rich, insane rich. They get $1 billion a year. They have been getting $1 billion a year from way back. Where's that money goes? So that, that, this is why you guys need to understand, you know, even if such an entity or religions will influence the trajectory for geopolitics, how it goes. We saw it with the Solidarity movement and how it changed the course of history in that part of the world. I mean, when I was in Poland, you know, the younger generations, they have no issues with Russia, none. They don't even care what about the Ukraine and all that stuff. Some of the older generation, they still have that mindset. Is going on. So that's, uh, uh, that is part of what, what's going on there. So now there are countries are rethinking— some of them, not all— they are rethinking where things are going. All right guys, I am gonna sign off here, uh, because I just wanted to give time for my guest. I guess something happens, so I will communicate with him tomorrow and follow up on it for next week if he's still willing to come on, on the show here. But for tomorrow, I have, uh, uh, my Richard Turin, and we shall have an interesting conversation tomorrow. It will be at 2100 hours, and I will confirm it in a posting at the community. So we'll do that one. So thank you all for being here, greatly appreciate you as always, and I look forward to seeing you next time. As always, remember, your politics impacts your daily life in more ways than one. Till next time, guys, bye-bye.