In this interview, Dennis Prager speaks with Dr. Karlyn Borysenko, whose viral story about attending a Trump rally as a lifelong Democrat sparked a political conversion and widespread attention. The conversation covers her unexpected shift in political views, the massive online response to her article, and the professional and personal fallout she experienced, including concerns about client loss and financial stability. Borysenko also alleges systemic bias within the American Psychological Association (APA), claiming the organization suppresses Republican voices and pro‑law‑enforcement research, and recounts anecdotal instances of law‑enforcement professionals being ostracized in academic settings. The interview touches on her family dynamics, noting her mother’s media consumption shapes her perspective, and highlights how standing firm in her new convictions has brought Borysenko a sense of freedom and hope, resonating with Prager’s audience.
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Speaking to a terrific woman, Karlyn Borisenko, in New Hampshire, whose story so touched us. We had her on the show. Her story went viral, 3 million as you heard, and now we've made a PragerU video. You can see her in her full personality mode on this video. She attended a Trump rally really sort of as a lark. Because she's a lifelong Democrat. That— see, that is why I want to get back to the American Psychological Association, Carlin, but I just want to make clear, as many of course of my listeners know, this is why they fear any exposure to us, because any open-minded person will be touched by our decency and the rationality of our positions. So it's important to defame us. Otherwise, they have to confront our ideas and our decency. You confronted it, and it obviously had the impact that it did. All right, back to the American Psychological Association. What are they doing?
So I have now heard a few interesting facts from multiple people who are not related to each other, so far as I know. The first thing that I've heard is that there are groups of academics that are actively petitioning the APA to not allow people who are Republicans or have high-level connections within the Republican Party to gain licensure to practice as professionals. That's one thing. The other thing that I've heard, and again, this is through the grapevine but from multiple sources at this point, is that the APA is actively inhibiting the publication of research that it feels is too pro-law enforcement. So—
I heard that second one as well. It's—
Ah.
Yes, it's interesting. I did not hear the first one. Neither surprises me. The American Psychological Association has been run by the left and poisoned therefore for quite some time, in basically much of my life. So this, their position on whether or not a parent can say to a 3-year-old child who says, you know, I'm a girl, if he's a boy, well, you know what, you're really a boy. That is considered by the American Psychological Association as child abuse.
Yeah, and I'm very lucky again in that the type of psychology I do, industrial organizational psychology, I don't really have that much contact with the APA, but when I'm talking, I've been talking a lot to law enforcement officers lately that there are a couple in particular that have gone back to school for psychology and are trying to get papers published. And to hear stories of how they are treated in an academic setting, I mean, I had one person I was talking with just the other day who once her classmates found out that she was a law enforcement officer, law enforcement officer actively tried to have her kicked out of the class. And it's just, it's, it's so, it's, it's insane. We have descended into madness.
That's right. We have. So the good side, I mean, I feel for you on the relatives issue. What does your mother think? I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to, I'm not badmouthing or even implying that I, I am a religious person who believes you honor your parents, even if you have political differences, but What does she think happened to you?
I don't think that she knows really. And I, and I want to say too, just to echo that my mother is a very good woman. I'm, I'm not trying to put her down at all, but the reality is—
Yes, go on.
But the reality is, is that she doesn't follow what's going on in the world as closely as I do. I mean, she's retired, she's kind of kicking back, and I really think that she does not understand how much the Democratic Party has changed because she watches Rachel Maddow all the time. She watches MSNBC all the time, CNN. So she's being fed the media line about what's going on, which of course, as we know, bears little resemblance to what is actually going on.
That's right. So how has this affected you? I mean, this is a serious transformation.
I think it's affected me mostly in positive ways, to be honest. I feel, you know, I kind of got kicked out of the political closet with my article going viral. It certainly was not something something that I expected when it happened. And it was terrifying when it did, frankly. I would— all I was thinking about was how it was going to affect my business and my practice, and was I going to lose clients, and would I be able to even find clients and survive financially. But the reality is, is that several months later, I gained the freedom to be able to say what I wanted to say and not to fear the consequences of it, because I've already been through the fire. On this one. And I found that there absolutely has been pushback from the left to me, but I find that the more I stand my ground and I say what I think and I don't bend the knee to what they want me to do, the happier I am, and frankly, the more they leave me alone.
That's exactly correct. The worst thing you can do is stand there and say, oh, I'm so sorry, because you didn't do anything wrong. Well, you know what, I want you to know, a lot of my listeners say that, you know, I give them hope, and I hope I do. I want you to know that you give me hope.
Oh, well, thank you, Dennis. I appreciate that.
It's from the heart. Thank you so much. You're a special person. You can see her video up at PragerU. It's very powerful.
