The transcript captures a heated exchange among three speakers about the NCAA’s recent guidelines that allow transgender student‑athletes to use locker rooms, showers, and restrooms that correspond to their gender identity. Speaker A, identified as Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, attempts to close his remarks on the organization’s culture. Speaker B aggressively challenges the policy, arguing that it forces biological women to share women’s facilities with biological men, citing testimonies such as Riley Gaines and accusing the NCAA of shirking responsibility under Title IX. Speaker C defends the guidelines, emphasizing that they provide “optionality” and that local hosts must create accommodations for participants. The dialogue escalates with personal attacks, accusations of disappointment and outrage, and a broader debate over fairness, safety, and institutional accountability.
This is Charlie Baker, the president of NCAA. I just want to close out my point on the, on the culture, or at least one of my points on the culture. Go ahead and roll it, por favor.
Have guidelines that, that instruct them what the best practices are. And your guidelines say that biological men can go in and use the women's locker rooms if they want to. What the women want has nothing to do with it. They're not mentioned in here at all, correct? Correct. It's right here. You just reaffirmed them in May of this year. I've got them. I'm reading them. I got them off the website.
I believe our guidelines give people optionality with respect to how they choose to use their facilities. And many, many optionality.
What it says is transgender student athletes will be able to use the locker room, shower, and toilet in accordance with their gender identity. That means men will be able to use the women's locker rooms. And as Riley Gaines and others have testified before this committee, That means if a man, a biological man, wants to use their locker room, they just have to accept it or else they have— they, the women, have to go somewhere else. They've got to go find an alternative. Why is that fair?
We told the local folks who've hosted our tournaments they need to create accommodations for the people who are playing.
You know, so it's the feds on the one hand, it's the locals on the other hand. The only person who doesn't seem to bear any responsibility in this is you and the NCAA, who are the governing body. And your testimony here today is you're not even subject to Title IX. Mr. Baker, I can't tell you how disappointed this makes me, but not just disappointed, frankly infuriated for the student athletes who are suffering because of your policies. And you won't even defend them. You won't even take responsibility. It's outrageous. Totally outrageous. Fired.
Okay, so you have this story, and I don't believe in trans people, but that guy really— the NCAA president really makes me wonder. He really needs to grow up. He needs a backbone. There's no doubt about it. I know he's making great money. I know there's immense pressure, but men need to be men. This guy needs to stand up as a man and do the right thing.
