Is ADHD Keeping Your Grad From Launching?

So Cecilia, thank you for joining us. So happy to have you here today. And what I'm most excited about having you— what I'm most excited about talking about today is, you know, that my audience, they're struggling college graduates. They can't figure out how to launch, right? But what I'm finding within my audience, and even with my daughter who's neurodiverse, is that a lot of them are on the spectrum in some way. Either the adults are on the spectrum or the college grad is on the spectrum. And since you're an expert in ADHD, I would really like to know and understand some tips from you about how they can address that for both from the parent side and especially from the college grad side, because managing somebody who's neurodiverse is, if you're neurotypical, it is a challenge to understand exactly what's going on. So let me go ahead and have you introduce yourself and tell you— tell a little more about yourself and your background.

Sounds good. Hello, I'm Cecilia. I come from a background as an occupational therapist. I have been practicing for 20 years. I've helped people across the spectrum from little itty-bitty kids, 0 to 3, all the way up to adults, and I've had 105 year old, which is amazing. She was absolutely amazing, kept walking around and trucking. So it is amazing what our bodies and our minds can do when we put our heads into it and we have resilience and we don't give up on ourselves, on our kids, on our families. So I then have started helping other coworkers with ADHD, which led me towards primarily helping a lot of people in their careers starting off to launch and go into the career, which is how Evan Sanchez Sanchez got to speak with each other, which I absolutely love. And he is such a joy, and I'm so glad that you're able to be here with his program and that I'm able to add a little bit of bonus for him. So without further ado, I'd love to give a presentation, and I have asked Evan Sanchez Sanchez to go ahead and ask me any questions that y'all might have so that when you do get the opportunity to watch this, you can ask those questions away. You can reach out to me, whatever works for you. So I look very much forward to hearing from y'all, whatever way that you need support from the future. So I'm going to start sharing my screen. Focus. So one of the hardest things with ADHD that we are told all the time is focus, just focus. Why can't you focus? What's wrong with you? And I've had this moment, especially with my dad, and I love him. And about 13 years old, he takes me by both shoulders. Why can't you just do your homework? Why can't you just focus? What's wrong with you? Thankfully, he came over that night after it was bedtime. And I am so grateful he did this because I still remember this to this day, is that he apologized and said he loved me. And that while nothing is wrong with me, quote unquote, he was working to learn how to support me. And that's a lot about what this is about, because even whether you're 13, whether you're 18, 21, going out and getting ready to start your day, that's what we're here to talk about, and ADHD specifically. So how do you master the ADHD overwhelm so you can show up as a leader, as a person, as you in your life, either as a parent or as a new person out into the world. And there's 3 primary problems that clients come to me with primarily when they have ADHD. The first problem is, why can't I do boring but important tasks? I can't get started. I can't get organized. I can't finish something. I get distracted. I get busy overanalyzing, all the fun stuff. And I tell people that's perfect because I'm going to show you exactly how to easily accomplish boring but important tasks. And that means that you will go from stuck and scattered to steady and self-led, that you will be able to lead your child. You'll be able to lead yourself if you are this new grownup, and you will go from task avoidance to consistent follow-through. When you use the strategy, it will help you start showing up for the boring but important stuff, like turning in a resume instead of putting it off and putting it off and putting it off. Like, figure out some of the different things you want to be able to do without shutting down and spiraling. And especially if you're a parent helping your son, daughter to be able to go from that avoidance is really key. And Evan Sanchez Sanchez's talk on avoidance and not going over and being stuck in that avoidance cycle is super powerful. The second problem people come to me with is they don't know where my time goes. With ADHD, we are what's called time blind. So I don't know if anybody's heard of being time blind before, or if you've been able to You ever play a video game for 4 hours straight and then you're like, I need to pee, I need to pee, I need to pee. That is those of us with ADHD. Or, hmm, I'm actually thirsty. I haven't eaten in 3 or 4 hours. So this means you're going to know exactly where your time goes when you use this strategy. And again, you're going to go from time mismanagement to daily clarity and control. This strategy helps you gain structure and tools that help you plan realistically, shift smoothly, finish strong, even when your energy fluctuates. Because that's one of those things with ADHD as well. So when you go from being able to hyperfocus, but you don't know how to focus and get the boring but important stuff, you want to go from all of that ADHD energy, and you want to find curiosity and be able to use those tools that you need to get all those things done. And we're gonna go more into detail in that as well. The third problem that clients with ADHD find is that they are overcome by their emotions. And I know Evan Sanchez Sanchez has really targeted this, especially with some of his clients, in terms that they become so overwhelmed by their emotions that they can't get started. They can't do things. They avoid talking about it. They'd rather just lay in bed and not do anything. They've been put so much structure in the school system, and then as soon as they're out of school, they don't know where they want to go. They don't know how to manage their time. They don't know how to do the stuff that needs to get done without having direction from somebody else. And a lot of times the problem behind that is fear. A lot of times the problem behind that is anger. A lot of times the problem behind that is what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, and all the other emotions that come with it. And it's perfect because I'm going to show you exactly how to be unshaken by your emotions. And for anybody who has ADHD, think you might have ADHD, I encourage you to consider thinking about something called rejection sensitive disorder. Euphoria, which is a tough concept for those of us with ADHD because we receive so many more negative comments than our neurotypical peers, and it is frightening and scary and overwhelming because all those external thoughts we internalize, and it's a horrible feeling to not trust oneself. And if you can't trust oneself, you can't launch into life. So this goes from stuck and scattered to steady and self-led, from emotionally shutting down and getting paralyzed, being on the floor, just eyes crying, to being emotional, having emotional flexibility and having that resilience. I think one of the toughest things with today's community, today's people, is that we're struggling with resilience. And clients that work with me learn how to regulate reactions, diffuse shame, and to bounce back so setbacks don't derail their progress. So we're going to go back through these problems and talk about that. Evan Sanchez Sanchez, is there any questions or anything that stood out for you?

No, it just sounds so familiar to me because I have a neurodivergent daughter, as I mentioned, and just there's lots of times when she just shuts down and I don't know what to do and I don't understand why she's shutting down. And that's, and that's been very, that's a common thread. And one of the only things that I've learned through this process is to constantly give encouraging comments when she does do something right, complimenting her at even the small things or talk about her growth in the last 2 years. Like 2 years ago, you wouldn't have done X and now you're doing Y. Right. And so those are the things that are coming up for me as you're talking is just like all of these, like, you know, how do I get her to move? Because transitions are hard. And I've finally understood that she— I wish I would've known you before because overwhelmed by the emotions. Is what's happening to her. When she gets past the emotions, she can move.

Mm-hmm.

Right? Once she gets past that emotions, but those emotions will shut her down and it is like 10,000 negative things are coming at her. And I love that description of it because like we're able to, neurotypical people are able to block those to some extent, not 100%, but to some extent, but we're able to block those, but for her, it just feels overwhelming. It just feels like she's drowning in these feelings and she just can't get— she just can't find a way out.

Absolutely. I can just— I feel so much heavy lift down on my shoulders as you say it because it's so accurate. I have to shake it off myself.

Sorry, sorry. I don't mean to do that to you.

It's so accurate and it feels so good to be seen by you and that's a wonderful— And I hope Robert appreciates it, that she's getting that understanding from you. And that's amazing.

Yeah. And even, and if I can just go off on a tangent here, even when we go out to dinner, right? Something that seems like she should be able to handle, right? She's overwhelmed by the noise. More than 3 people overwhelms her.

Mm-hmm. Right?

So I've learned that I need to say, Do you need to go outside? Do you need a break? Do you need to sit in the car? Right. Things, things like that. So that's what I've learned. But teach me more.

So we're going to go a little bit further into detail in each of these 3 problems and go forward from there. So that first problem is, why can't I do the boring but important tasks? And I'm going to show you exactly how to easily accomplish boring but important tasks. And the first one is to really go deep down and dive and understand your ADHD brain. And we start with an ADHD brain audit. What that means is we look at understanding the executive functions, which is at the core and base of what's causing problems within ADHD. Within that, we understand the different networks that our brains work on and how we have trouble switching from one network to the other network. Work, really understanding what triggers and works for us because my ADHD shows up very differently than my husband's ADHD. I am forgetful in terms of I have to go back and forth from the car about 5 times every morning. I go and get my water bottle out of the car, fill it up, do the ice, then I go over, do I have my keys? Oh, my keys are in my purse because I switched that last night. They're either in my purse or my work bag, one of the two places. And those are the things that I know. And I have learned that I give myself more time for it and I give myself grace because I cannot for the life of me, and it drives him nuts. I cannot put my keys in the same spot every day when I get home because most of the time they just stay in my car in the garage in my work bag.

But I'm sorry to interject, but I love what you just said there. Just what you said. Of just understanding how your brain works and how that's so important. And then when you understand how your college grads or your kids' brain works, right? That's the key difference is like understanding where they are, what's going on for them. And I think for both people, whether it's the parent or the child, you have to give them grace. That's the biggest key. You cannot push. You have to give them grace and just understand it may take an extra 5 minutes to go to the car.

Yep, exactly.

Right. Sometimes 10, but you have to give them that grace. And that's a very important thing to do for both yourself and for your kids.

Mm-hmm. And so that means making a personalized task protocol. For example, what works for Evan Sanchez Sanchez's daughter has been taking that break listening to something, maybe putting on headphones may likely work for her if she is sound sensitive. Being around too many people, a particular seat at the dinner table so that she's not distracted by waiters walking across so that she's looking in one direction, for example. Her ability to follow one part of the conversation and the other one. For myself to be able to give myself the additional time to be able to get out the door. Most people might take 15. It'll take me 20 to 25. It is what it is, and that's okay. That's what works for me. But I can organize other things and do stuff like a champ that other people with ADHD struggle with. I've had people tell me they can't read a book because they have ADHD, being able to focus. But you know what? If I put a book about their favorite thing in front of them, they might be able to hyperfocus. Because they've learned to cultivate curiosity. And so finding where that weakness is, that strength is, and leaning into the strength is definitely important. And that means you're going to complete your first 3 tasks, your regular tasks, start habits, start routines, and be able to do the boring but important stuff because you'll have it scheduled and set up, which also co-regulates with that managing your time. And that first important part is using the ADHD flow framework so you can just flow into what you're doing. So, for example, as a new graduate trying to launch, are they talking to people? Are they connecting with workplaces? Have they figured out what they want to do? Are they writing in a journal about what's regular? Have they started finding what drives them? When they have passion for finding something, that becomes super easy when you have that flow to go into. And what this all means is that you're going to trust your brain and it follows through so that you can do that boring but important stuff. So you can launch from being stuck at home to finding what drives you. Do the boring stuff as well, and live your best life. So we talked about not knowing where my time goes and then knowing exactly where my time goes. The first step in this is to do a time pattern scan. If you don't know where your time is right now and how much you're spending on one thing or another, we can't work on addressing it. And it's the biggest pain in the butt. But for example, writing down what you spent your time on today, and you will be amazed, especially if you decide to look at your phone and your Wellbeing or your iPhone time. And you will find I spent 4 hours doing what? On Facebook, on otherwise. And your time is your life, your time, and where you spend your time. It really defines your life. And so what kind of person do you want to be? Are you wanting to be a helpful member of society? Are you wanting to be a parent who shows up for their kid? Are you watching TV instead of supporting your kid? Are you spending quality time with loved ones? Are you at work? Have you connected and walked and had that conversation with your new grad and talked over what did they learn? And yes, I know how they don't like to share a darn thing. I've got a middle schooler and they're like, "Nah, how was school today? I don't want to talk about it." But going for a walk, going and connecting and asking, you know, the open questions around it. So, you know, and sharing about your day. So my day was a little bit of this, a little bit of that. I know that you were looking forward to this class or you were connecting with so-and-so, and I'd love to hear more if you're open to sharing. And opening up is that invitation is important. And when you look at your time and how you're spending that time and how they are spending that time, opens up a lot of awareness, most specifically with one of the executive function skills that we address in the ADHD Flow Framework and your ADHD brain is metacognition, the ability to think about your thinking, understanding where your time goes. The next part with that is you want to make your time tangible. And one of the biggest tools that I recommend for people is when you write down what you've done throughout the day, You started up from get-up time. Did you push the snooze button and set it for 30 minutes? Did you get up and brush your teeth, walk the dog? How much time did that take? Did you make your coffee? Did you spend that looking over what you did, or did you go straight to Facebook or Instagram? How much of your time did you spend scrolling, swiping, everything else. Write it down, find where it is, and use circles. So for example, let's see, if you have an entire circle filled in and it's all the way filled in, it'll disappear too fast on me. But if it's all the way filled in, that is an entire hour, for example. But if you have a circle and you fill in half, then that's going to be 30 minutes. And when you see something that's tangible like that next to a task or next to what you've done, you can really visually see like an analog clock how much time you're spending doing different things. And then the question also becomes, what does that time spent say about me and what I'm doing and how I'm living my life? And that means you're gonna be able to get started on your passion project. And that's the passion project protocol. So when you know you have a project, and I recommend using the PINCH framework. With ADHD, we tend to move forward with 5 main things, and you can remember it with the acronym PINCH. Passion, interest, hurry is this H, C is the challenge, and in. But all those things help us to go forward and make those things matter and know where our time is so we can do the things that really go for us. And so for your new grad, you want to find out what moves them, what brings them great joy, what is passionate for them, what they're interested in, what they are challenged by. So for example, my 12-year-old He has decided he's going to take a college course this summer in history. 12 years old. We'd had this conversation and he had challenged himself to get all A's this year and he got it. He also has ADHD. He did start meds this year and long story short, we've had this moment where he's had police officers show up at the house because he had an impulsive speaking, but he's also passionate. That's a longer story. And if you ever get a chance to talk to me, ask me about it, and I will be blushing and share. But we want your child to find their passion project. What drives them? What moves them? For me, I knew I wanted to be an OT. I wanted to help people ever since I was a kid. What do you want to do? I want to help people. I want to help I want to help people every which way. And OT is about the job of life and helping people do whatever it is that is important in their life. And for you to help your kid, what do they love? What do they enjoy? Is it cooking? Is it video games? Is it just scrolling on the internet? Well, if you want to be doing on the internet, why don't you learn how to produce video? Why don't you learn how to talk and market to an audience? What part of this moves you? Go out and try it, learn more about it. And when you know that, you start really knowing where your time is. And that's exactly what the Time Clarity Method does with all of those steps so that you can finally make time feel like it's yours again. So the third problem that people come to me with, which I think is the one that Evan appreciates the most.

Yes.

I mean, overcome by your emotions. And that means that we want to help you become unshaken by your emotions. The best thing bar none that you can do to start managing your emotions is one major thing, and that is to bring a pen to a paper and recognize what your emotion is. Anger. What kind of anger? Is it red-hot anger? Is it Deep anger. Where is this anger coming from? What is the anger telling you? That's an easy one that most people go through, and they just let the anger out, yell out, scream out, slam doors.

Mm-hmm.

And so bringing that pen to paper and understanding it is really the biggest first key to understanding and becoming unshaken by your emotions. So the next part is taking the shift session and shifting from letting your emotions be the boss and drive the bus to taking a moment to step back and shift from the emotions to thinking about what that emotion is telling us and how we want to show up in today's world. Do we want to show up as a shrew to our child? Do we want to— you need to go do this and you need to go to work and you need to make money and bring in this. I see Evan Sanchez. Probably not the energy we want to go with because we stick in our heels, we push away and we say no, thank you. But if we say our anger is because my kid is not going to work, they are not a productive member of society. I'm really mad at myself and I'm upset with myself that I didn't help shift my kid towards doing what they needed to do. I'm a bad parent. I'm a terrible person. And that is all just our brain telling us a story. And our brains are fantastic storytellers. And we are fantastic liars to ourselves because that does not oftentimes equate from, I'm angry that you're not doing your things, to you're a terrible person, and me for not doing it, to instead, they're not where I want them to be. How can I help them get to where they need to be to be able to support themselves? What is the emotion that my child is struggling with? Because that child with ADHD may be struggling with a whole lot of emotions showing up. Their brain patterns may be going through that amygdala, which goes with all those emotions, and be stopping them even more so from using their executive functions in their ADHD brain, which is already a struggle. So Going from there and figuring out through all those emotions, shifting from being reactive to taking that moment to respond is key. And that means you start integrating those emotions in the integration ritual, and you take those emotions and you learn how I want to show up in this world, how they want to show up in this world, and you start integrating all of that together. So yes, we have emotions, but we don't need to react to every single one with a slam door. We don't need to react to our child telling us no with a "Grrr, you're going to do what I tell you because I told you so," which does not always help.

Just the opposite.

I call this the emotional flexibility playbook. So it means that you have the emotional flexibility to do what you need to do, live your life how you want to live it. Even when it's tough, even when those emotions show up. So you can have psychological flexibility, so you can be open when somebody else is different. And most especially, your emotional intelligence is not necessarily causative, but it's very correlative, meaning it does not mean emotional intelligence directly affects it, but it has an effect upon how successful you are in your life. And being able to learn yourself how those emotions work, how to manage the— your response to emotions is very, very key. That together comes to Focus Formula, which is my program and what I do and how I help others to focus by addressing their ADHD, managing their time, and not becoming overwhelmed by their emotions. Evan Sanchez Sanchez, any questions?

This, I'm just like, it's so interesting to, to see all this stuff. And obviously I haven't mastered all of this. I've gotten like little pieces, but I've gotten like little pieces and parts just based on my parenting. It's just like the, and the, the thing that, that struck me is like the pen to paper is so important, right? The pen to paper. I can't tell you. I told my daughter, like, she, she was having a— she was in college, she was having a bad roommate issue. And then the roommate just like, before they could even like meet with the RA and have a meeting about that, the roommate just left, disappeared into the ether, right? And so that's just like disappeared and didn't show up anymore. She didn't show up for the meeting, much less show up for this or as a roommate. So she just left. And so my daughter was sitting there with all these emotions that were really— that's all she could think about was like, what did I do? What did I say? What did the— like going all around. And I said to her, I was like, Lila, you have to process these emotions. And the best way to do it is to just put pen to paper and write until you're exhausted. Write until you cannot write anymore, because otherwise all those thoughts are going to be going around a pinball on a pinball machine, like it's just like ricocheting all the bumpers and stuff like that. You never get the high score, right? But exactly. But she did that process and she felt so much better. Now she knows that whenever something bad happens, that she has to process it that way. It's good for— it's so interesting because a lot of these techniques are both— it's— that are good for neurotypical people, right? Managing your time, figuring out where your passions are. And, but I love the way it all comes together because what I talk about in my program is obviously finding their interests, right? What, just like what she said, when does time disappear? When do they light up? Right? Because that passion is gonna move them forward faster than any sort of motivation or pushing. And once they understand that, and it takes experimentation, right? That same experimentation that we fostered in childhood where we said, pick out your sport or pick out your instrument, is the same experimentation that we have to do now. Right? And to your point, once an ADHD person finds their passion, they can go deep on it and never get bored. I consider it a superpower of mine. I told my daughter, it's a superpower that you have because once you're passionate about something, you go, you go like 1,000 miles per hour where most people would be like, oh, I'm exhausted, I can't go anymore. So I think that's—

make sure you go to the bathroom.

Just make sure you go to the bathroom and make sure you eat, right? But it's that sort of thing is like she can You know, you want to talk about Harry Potter and dogs, she could talk about that all day, right? She can talk your ear off about Harry Potter and dogs because she found those as interests, and that's what she's doing as a career. She's doing, you know, she works at a Humane Society, so, and she loves it because she's like, I'm helping dogs. And even though it's part of the things that she doesn't like to do, like cleaning up pens and cleaning poop and, right, all that sort of stuff. Because she's so passionate about those dogs, right, she's willing to break through those barriers of uncomfortable things that she doesn't like to do. Getting up in the morning, right? Yes, right. Driving 45 minutes each way to, to, to that. But I just love the whole, whole framework of what you're putting together because it really there's so many pieces and parts, like executive functioning for a normal person is hard, right? Because we're constantly doing adulting. But for an ADHD person, it's even harder, right? They can't plan. It's harder for them to plan. It's— they have to have systems. And the system, once they have a system like yours, right? Once they understand all those things and they follow your system, then they can't break, right? They can't— less likely to break, right? Because they know exactly what the system needs to be in order to launch them.

And that's the beautiful thing, is that a system can be very flexible. Because what might work for you at 18 is not going to work for you necessarily at 21, at 26. But being able to learn, okay, this is what I'm good at. This is where I'm not so good. This is where I need to have some extra time. This is where I'm— I don't need extra time. This is a system that I can use for my papers, and this is a system that I can use for my time management, and I can adjust it like this and like that, and I can choose a few different ways to modify for what works for me. And even if my energy level isn't 100% today, like for your daughter, yes, she'll drive those 45 minutes over to her workspace, but she may not be able to have the 100% and take out all the big dogs, but she could go walk small dogs on that day and say, hey, my energy is not 100% today. I need you to do the big dogs if you're up for it. I'll do the little dogs. And still work and make life very meaningful and still show up for her day. Maybe she's not able to write for an hour and a half on her pen and paper method and process those emotions, but she can do it for 10 minutes that day. And being able to adjust and accommodate so that she can find that passion project, or any of your clients can find that passion project and what drives them again, It's doing little tiny experiments, finding out what works and continuing to move forward.

So, yeah, I couldn't have said it better. It's really about that experimentation and then just finding out what works, right? And going with that. And it may take several iterations to figure that out. It's not going to be overnight. And, and I know a lot of parents are frustrated because they're it looks like laziness to them. They're in their rooms all day, right? They're just not motivated, right? And I think for neurotypical and ADHD people, it's just that they haven't found what they're really passionate about yet. They're misaligned. They don't, they haven't figured it out and they have, and they need that space and that support to, from a parent to say, it's okay. Right? It's okay that your brain works differently. Just like your father came back to you and apologized, which I thought was very touching because he realized that he messed up, right?

Mm-hmm.

He realized that he, he was not seeing you.

Mm-hmm.

And he, and that, and when people don't feel seen and heard, they cannot grow.

Right?

And when your father was able to see you, then you were like, then you're able to do things, right?

Yes.

Because he didn't say, why can't you do, why can't you just get your homework done? Right? But he had to take a step back and realize that it was, it was that your brain processes differently than his. And kudos to him for doing that. Because I think that's what people need. They need grace. Back to what we talked about before, they need grace and they need compassion.

Right?

And the more you push them, the less they're going to move.

Absolutely. It's so much to pull in and remember. And I remember just being so grateful for both my parents, for my dad finding that moment to apologize and shift from that space of just seeing me as lazy, which they definitely did for a time. And the L word is definitely a 4-letter word in the ADHD world. And it's teaching again that effort and putting in effort and things don't come without effort. But helping us go in the right direction for that effort is really important and Yeah.

And being that supportive environment. It's like a plant. It only grows with water, sunlight, and soil, right? You know, and he's really nicely to it, talking really nicely to it and not, and not shaming it or making it feel bad. Right. But it's, but you also talked about how the parent needs to regulate themselves too.

For sure.

Even a neurotypical parent may need to put pen to paper and say, where are these emotions coming from? What am I feeling? Why am I feeling it? Right. Yeah, exactly.

I do.

Right. And just like, and it can just be stream of consciousness. You don't have to use grammar. You don't have to use spelling. Just, and it can be like all gobbledygook, but, but something's gonna come out there. Right.

And some people even do a video chat of themselves or a video talking. And when you see If you ever look in a mirror or if you look in— like, I know that I myself, when I'm doing a video call or anything else, I have to look away for a moment because if I see all the emotions, all the stuff, that I can't process all of that. And it also can come across as inattentive, rude, any of those different things. But I know if I need to, I can share that with somebody. But I can also look at myself when I'm talking on a phone and do a video chat and see, okay, what came out of this? What am I speaking to? Listen to myself talk. And we all hate hearing ourselves talk. We hate it.

Yes.

Because we see ourselves so much more clearly. But it's also so important and so key and can be super duper powerful.

It really can. And just knowing, you know, you've learned so much about yourself during this journey and I love that you're able to teach it. I think it's so important for so many people to understand, like, it's just a different processing system. That's all it is.

Yep.

Right?

It's like Linux instead.

It's like Linux or it's like a Toyota and a Honda, right? They both get you there. Yeah. They're just different engines, right? They're just, you know, and it's just understanding that there's differences and And being respectful of that and giving grace. So I love this. Thank you so much for sharing this today, Cecilia. And how can people get in touch with you?

So feel free to reach out to me on LinkedIn, on Facebook. My business name is Mind Body Clarity, and I have my website where you can reach out to me either for a clarity call. I do a class where I go into a little bit more detail than we did today. And usually it's specifically on going out into the workplace and showing up as the person you want to be in a job. I also do one that is very similar to this, but it does include— the one that is in the job also does include this. And there's a lot of people who really want to focus on all the parts of ADHD, and I would love to have a conversation with you. I have a video class that's available and different levels of support. Whatever you need or works for you and your family.

Awesome. Well, we'll put all the links and so everybody can reach out to you. But thank you so much, Cecilia, for your time, your knowledge. It was just beautiful. Loved it. Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me, Evan Sanchez Sanchez. It is a pleasure. Thank you. All right.