In this interview, the guest shares key lessons for thriving in recruitment. He advises newcomers to trust and learn from seasoned colleagues, emphasizing belief in the people around you. He recounts his first big commission, earned late at night while in Ibiza, noting that despite the celebratory setting he gained little material reward but a memorable experience. He outlines his daily non‑negotiables: waking at 5 AM, planning the day, and identifying the top three tasks, which he says drive his productivity. Finally, he discusses how the industry’s image must shift from old‑school relationship‑building over drinks to a data‑driven, value‑adding approach, arguing that presenting useful information and insights will change client perceptions of recruiters.
What advice would you give to your past self when you were just entering the recruitment industry?
The advice I'd give would definitely be to have belief in the people around you. They've been there, seen it, and done it, and they know if you're doing the right things or not. And it's really tough to see how you're going to be successful before you get successful, but if the people around you have been there and done it, then just trust that they know you're going in the right direction. Love that.
What did you spend your first biggest commission paycheck on?
My first commission paycheck came through at midnight when I was in Ibiza.
Oh wow.
And so I came away with nothing to show for it, but I had a good time.
Love that. What non-negotiable do you live by each day that you feel has a massive impact on your productivity?
Getting up at 5 AM and planning my day. They're the key things, I think. What are the top 3 things I need to do every day and getting up at the same time every day. They're the most important things for me.
How do you think we can really go about changing the perception of the recruitment industry?
I think the perception of the recruitment industry has to change. I think the days when you used to be able to take clients out and get them drunk and that was how you cemented relationships, I think they've gone. At least they've minimized because people aren't around as often in the city or in the offices and that. So how do you get in front of people? So it's not about by, you know, taking them out for a good time. It's about adding value, presenting data, sharing information that they need to make their jobs easier. So I think with that in mind, the perception of the recruitment industry will change. Because it's not about the wide boys and the gift of the gab anymore, it's about adding real value.