A Life of Worship with Guests Trinity Anderson & Lizzie Morgan | Ron + Hope: Unfiltered

Foreign. Hey, guys. Well, it's Ron and Hope Unfiltered. You know, I'm out of my place. Hope usually does the introduction and she does all the Ron and Hope Unfiltered. Real, raw and relevant. And of course, any of you been watching any of my time. You know, this isn't Hope and this isn't Hope. But they are two ladies who are very, very important to me and very, very important to what we do. But before that, let me tell you something. No matter how you are, if you are right on any of our streaming platforms, please subscribe. It helps us do what we do. If you're watching us by YouTube, the like the share even the comments on there, everything you do helps us out. It helps all these wonderful technicians and all the engineers and everybody that's making this work, the equipment, it makes sure all the bills are paid and it really helps us out. And why we want everybody to know because we believe we're talking about some great, great things that may benefit somebody's life. So, Ms. Trinity, you are one of our amazing praise and worship leaders in everything redemption. And Ms. Lizzie, you are the same. I'm going to do a little interview, guys. We don't even know what the topic's going to be. It's unscripted and we don't even really know where it's going. But I wanted to bring them in. They're from another generation than me. They see things a little different than I do. And I got a lot of people around this age because they keep me young and keep me on my toes, keep me being innovative, keep me being open to change. And the greatest thing you can do is when you get a little age on you is get some youth around you and let them speak into what you're doing, because they have a different set of eyes on things than you do. But worship is very important to redemption and even more, I think, more so than the preaching. For years, we were kind of known for our praise and worship atmosphere. And I would say in the 2000s, late 2000s, 2010, I saw worship begin to change a lot. I saw a lot more production. See, we used to pride ourselves in saying, we have no idea what's going to happen today. That was a badge of honor. Now, you kind of came from that.

Yes, sir.

Trinity, I'm not sure you kind of came from that, too. I know a little bit more about her background than yours, but that was a badge of honor. We get in there, what's God going to do today? But all of a sudden Production came, and all of a sudden, the LED boards came. And all of a sudden, synchronization between audio and video came. All of a sudden, Ableton came. All of a sudden, background vocals came. All of a sudden, click tracks came. And I will say it took the excellence up 10 notches. Not to the next level. What used to be church music and what ch. It's not even in the same realm, and I'm grateful for that. The flip side, I was raised or I saw moves of God that impacted my life. And I'll try not to cry right here. Made me who I am. Bible school didn't make me who I am. It was being raised sitting on those wooden pews, seeing the miracles, the unexplained, the God moments, weeping, people laying on the floors, crying out to services where people would worship on into the hours of the night. And that made me who I was. I don't see that anymore. And so I just wanted y' all to give yalls input on what are we doing. Well, and where do we probably need to go back and re dig some old wells and re dig some old ditches and let God fill them again. You first, Trinity. Tell me a little bit about where you came from, because you're a ministry, Your family's a ministry.

Absolutely. So, yeah, I grew up Church of God in Christ, you know, choir, singing.

Singing his people in the world. Absolutely singing. Most intimidating atmosphere I ever preached in is my first Kojik church because I was the only white person in the building, of course. And they put me up on a stage in between five pastors that could sing the paint off the wall.

Oh, goodness.

And I was up there trying to hold my ground.

You be hooping, though.

It was good. I did. I did all right. I did all right. They clapped. They knew I did my best thing in there. But anyway. You Kojik?

No. Yeah. And I mean, the Holy Spirit would. And, you know, you see them clapping and toe tapping and all that kind of stuff.

We call it hooking and bucking and running and everything.

Yeah. And they would start running. So I'm used to, you know, where the spirit of God comes in and it kind of changes things. I think there was a level of excellence. We used to have the choirs, and there was always rehearsal, and the band, they were always hot. And I think we still do that. Well, there is a level of excellence that we do need to continue to carry, you know, as skillful musicians. David was skilled.

We.

We need that. But I do agree sometimes it kind of boxes us In.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel.

Now, I know. I know you came from hucking and bucking people, because I'm familiar not with your. Just not with your family. I'm familiar with your movement, and I've preached in those churches many times. Tell us a little bit about what church was when you was coming up.

Yeah, my family's from the upc, so that's United Pentecostal Church. Long skirts, long hair, no makeup, and it's church every day. And it's funny now.

Did you have to do that? Did you not have to wear makeup?

I didn't. They had come out of it before I was born.

Your mama and. And all them. They were. Makeup.

They do. So they came out of it and they started, you know, breaking out of it. The church was still very Pentecostal, a lot like it is here. So I grew up. I mean, seeing people speak in tongues, like drastic healings, deliverance, all of those things. And I'm.

They stop a service and cast out a devil. So when somebody came up who was addicted to drugs, they didn't send you to counseling?

No.

You got. They came up, got a bottle of oil and getting rid of this thing Right.

Now, I can't remember seeing, like, drug. Like, people would bring stuff and lay it on the altar right then and there.

Some woke up crying up the aisles. Throwing it out of their pockets.

Exactly.

And stuff laying everywhere. And I remember. I remember one Sunday having what we called a cigarette stone, and we had the. We had the keyboard and the drums go off, and I mean, we took all the needles and drugs and cigarettes and ran all over them, all over the front of church. Now, I'm going to tell you something, guys. We're sitting here talking and laughing, but we got a whole generation of people that are sitting there listening, saying what they never saw. They've never seen these types of things. And it may seem like foolishness to them, but do you remember what you felt while it was happening?

Yeah. And that will get me emotional because it's like I'm so grateful for a legacy and like grandparents and parents that made sure that I grew up in that environment. And I'm not married yet, but when I think about having kids, yeah, it's terrifying that they will never see someone get delivered. They will never see a real miracle happen.

That makes me sad.

It breaks my heart and it scares me because I don't want to be a generation that just sings about miracles, but I want to be able to sing about our own miracles. And it's so scary. That, like, it's very far and few. I don't want to say it doesn't exist, but it's so much harder to find now than it used to be.

Yeah. Why?

I don't like that.

Why? I told y' all before we came over here, this is unscripted. But I did say I don't want this to come and become a generation bashing thing, because, you know, my older generation always turned around and didn't like what I was doing, and then I don't want to be the guy that always turns around. I needed to change. I needed to reach up. The millennials came along and did things better. They were very savvy.

Yes, sir.

Very savvy with technology, very savvy with social media. We had none. And so there were things I needed to be innovative, adapt, and I needed to change and grab it and run with it. But there were some times I was really conflicted, quite honestly, because I felt like I was grabbing that at the expense of some other things that were very important to me. Do you feel like your generation leaves enough room for the God moments? Just hope.

Not necessarily.

I. I feel like there was, like, a season where we were trying not to scare people.

Yeah.

And I feel like maybe we didn't.

Want to be weird.

We didn't want to be weird.

I heard the word weird a million times. Don't want to be weird.

Yeah. I mean, because I remember, like, people getting delivered and, like, throwing up in trash cans, and they would tell the kids, like, like, different stuff that could be weird if it's not, like, how you grew up. And so I feel like that's. That's part of it, is we tried to become, like, yep, good church for the non believers. Maybe people who never experienced that.

Right.

Which is a good thing. But sometimes I think we also lost the reverence thing. Like, there's people in church with their.

Coffee cups and, like, Popeyes, and, you.

Know, even to this day, I'm not going to be hypocritical. We got a coffee shop, and people walk in with coffee. Hey, I'm down with it. I get it. But you got to understand, I don't think it. Sometimes I'm like, ron, are you battling religion, or is it some things need to be really sacred? And there are things. When I see, you know, kind of the latte church, I kind of almost twitching, you know, because I was taught the fear of God. Absolutely. And I was taught when God was moving in the room. I remember. And I remember when I was a teenager I wasn't living right, and I would be under such that conviction. I mean, I would be sitting in there. I knew God was in the room. I knew I wasn't living right, and I would be confronted with that. And I don't know that there's anything in the room that is confronting lifestyle right now.

Absolutely.

Where people are leaving and saying, I've got to change when I leave here.

Right. I think a lot of it sometimes starts, too, with the pastor, like, and what they allow. Because a lot of churches in this season have gone to, like, we want an hour of power and everybody out. And so, you know, those of us who know what it takes to facilitate a move, sometimes it gets messy because it takes a little longer. And, you know, it's not as structured as it. You know, we would like for it to be and appear. And so I think that has a lot to do with it. Also, I would say the spiritual discipleship part of it as it relates to the worship team and band, the ones who are facilitating this move. Because, like, in this new season, like, I don't feel like we've. We've stewarded it well. I like that to be able to, you know, say, like, hey, here's what we can bring, you know, so that the Lord can come.

I want to talk about this messy part. I got to add. We got to. We got to take a minute, and we got to let our sponsors have some room right here. When I come back, though, I want to talk about the messy part, because the word we. We always heard was not messy. But I remember going to a lot of the. The conferences that the millennials were drawn to their pastors, and they're like, we don't want to be weird. We don't want to be weird. And I want to give my thoughts on that. Anyway, let's talk about Neutrophil Man. These guys. Listen, they're not just sponsors. They're friends now. I'm not just sponsor. They're not just sponsoring us. I'm not just advertising them. I use their products. And so Anyway, at age 55, look, the hair is still in there, period. And so we're really, really grateful. It may not do everything I want it to do, but it's there. It's there. Hair thinning is complicated, and the problem is it's actually bigger than your hair alone. Like your skin. Hair is a reflection of your health. Have you ever thought about that? And internal factors can impact the way your hair looks, feels, and grow. With Nutrafol's Hair Wellness Quiz you can get your personalized hair health plan. Today. Nutrafol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement. With over 1 million people seeing thicker, stronger, faster growing hair with less shedding, I can attest to that. I was just at my dermatologist's office two weeks ago and they had a whole wall full of Nutrafol products. So Nutrafol's three minute quiz determines which underlying root causes are keeping you from reaching your full hair potential. By analyzing your lifestyle, biology, hair history, as well as environmental triggers, Nutrafol creates a hair health plan that is tailored to your hair's needs. Nutrafol hair growth supplements are physician formulated using drug free, high quality ingredients. They're recommended by 4,500 plus doctors and hairstylists nationwide. Purchase online. No prescription or doctor's visit required. Free shipping and automated deliveries. Ensure you will never miss a day. See results in three to six months. And here's what I need you to do. Start your hair growth journey today by taking Nutrafol's hair wellness quiz. And get your personalized hair health plan today. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping@nutrafol.com quiz when you enter the promo code Rah, you know what that stands for?

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Yep.

Revival is not clean.

It's not.

Ministry is not clean.

Right.

And wherever I saw the presence of God in the Old Testament, it was surrounded with chaos, loudness, dancing, shouting, symbols and everything that people don't like in the church today. And where the presence of God was, that was. And then I got this scripture in First Corinthians, chapter one, where it says, God takes the foolish things of the world. To confound the wise, God will ask you to do things in praise. That just looks dumb, right?

Yes, sir. Wow.

So if you're an outsider and you're just watching Ron go off like he looks ridiculous.

Right.

But what is foolishness to man is God's wisdom.

Yeah, absolutely.

So in other words, you may not see anything happening here but my foolishness, But I am causing things to happen in a realm you can't see. And it may look dumb here, but it smart there.

Yeah.

And that's what God is trying to say. Why do you think our younger generation of worshipers want it to be clean? Answer freely.

I think it's what you're saying. I think it's like. I definitely think that our generation has this thing with how we're perceived. We're definitely a generation that cares about what people think a lot. And I think that in worship, one of the hardest things to do, even for myself, is getting over myself. I'm always constantly trying to figure out how to get over myself, because in worship, I feel like.

Explain that. Explain that. Go deeper.

Like, I don't. I have to not, like, getting over my fear of what I look like. Getting over what these people think of me. Like, I'm constantly just trying to.

Yeah. I will tell you something. You fake that one well, because you don't look like you're. You don't look like you're doing that.

I don't think I'm necessarily doing it so much anymore. But that was definitely a journey for.

Me as a breakthrough you had to.

Have exactly, like, just getting. Cause especially one thing that I'm grateful for here is we have an environment that allows it. But I was thinking a lot of churches where they're just staring at you.

Yeah.

Like, what are you doing?

And you have to work really hard to get over yourself. But the reason I'm always, like, saying that, even when I'm leading worship is, like, it's very hard to believe for something in the spirit if you're still like, flesh, like, in your flesh and being in the natural. And so I really believe that when you start, like, doing things that feel uncomfortable, like dancing and singing, you're open, overcoming that, like, flesh, that natural thinking. And I feel like it's helping you get to this spiritual realm. Like, even just music in general has so much power to it. That's not Christian. Like, music, just so much power.

Absolutely.

And so I feel like when people just start getting free and doing things that they've never done, it allows them to start believing for things that they wouldn't believe for.

Yes.

In a natural realm. Does that.

What say you?

No, I'm. I completely agree. I don't know why we hold back so much. And I think even these days, a of it has happened in the streets.

Do you think it comes from the top down? Yes. Do you think that. Do you think that the actual people leading the praise and worship do not feel permission from their leadership?

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

Okay. I'm willing to. I'm willing to take ownership of that.

No, but see, you're not really included in that because I feel like I.

Don'T blame you at all.

He comes out here, like, screaming and praising louder than everybody else.

We did a Q and A last year at 2:12, and it was like a praise and worship Q and A. And people came and there was a specific person who asked us, what do you do if your pastor doesn't want. I want you to do that.

He said that out in the middle of.

In the Q and A, we was like.

And I remember we looked at him and we said, you can't.

Yeah. Like, you have to stay. Submit it.

If that's the covering, you really can't only do what covering is going to.

Let you do it. That's great information you gave them, right?

Yes.

Wow. So somebody at one of our conferences, and we're kind of known for being loose when it comes to that, was saying, I want this, but our leadership. Let me challenge just some of the pastors that are out there. Are you permission giving when it comes to that atmosphere? Do they have permission to be liberated by you? Let me go further than that. Will you lead into liberty? Will you be out in the front praising? Or are you sitting on the side watching them and waiting for them to get through so you can do your thing? Because we're not talking about song services. Away with song services. We're not talking about. I'm talking about. Here's what. Here's what I desire as a minister. I desire. When y' all get through, let's say there's 10 bowling pins I gotta knock down. I desire nine of them to be knocked down and the last one be doing like this. And all I gotta go do is touch it. Because y' all have so cultivated an atmosphere that anything can happen. Now, maybe that's a high bar I've set, but that shift, that's. As a leader, what I desire from y'. All.

Absolutely.

You don't ever see me on the front row, like, cutting y' all off. I'm like, Going. And that's why I've always said that when redemption has ever had a change at praise and worship, it's been difficult for me, honestly, because I think we're a hard fit. Because even though we've got the stuff.

Yes, sir.

We still allow it to come off the rails and get off script. We do. And that is where we're just a little different. We want to do it. We want to do it right. We want to represent God at a high level. We want the vocals to be on point.

We do.

Okay.

Because it matters.

Yeah. I don't want all that mess. I don't want something hard to listen to.

Right.

But then when the heavens have opened up.

Yeah.

Don't let the people miss God.

What's the point of the whole last 30 minutes if we don't let.

Exactly.

Those are. I hate to use the word anxious. I don't know if that's a good word. For lack of a better term, I'm going to say this. I know the Bible says be anxious for nothing, but it's in a good way. My comfort spot in the service is preaching. My anxiety is that at some other point during the praise and worship or ministry time or with music that I'm going to miss God. That's where my anxiety is. Because I don't know what it is. There's nothing worse than a Sunday evening when I go home and felt like there was something that was supposed to happen that didn't happen.

I feel that.

Do y' all ever feel that way?

Yes.

Tell me about it.

Yes.

I'm glad you do, because I feel like I'm the only one sometimes.

No, we feel it, but I think we're always running that line of, okay, we gotta get to some other stuff because there's, you know, the practical things. We do want to have a word, and we want to, you know, give the announcement and everything else. But there are some moments when it's just like, wait. If we just wait one more second, like, nobody say anything, you know, just. Or just wait in that moment. Like, it does unlock some things sometimes. And so we do miss it sometimes. But the Lord, he can show up anywhere, though, at any point and often does, you know, at multiple points.

So let me ask you this. I'm gonna let y' all say it because if I say it, it makes people mad. So I'll let y' all say, what does our younger generation of worshipers need to go back and recapture? What's something we've lost? I really believe you're Talking about the fear.

Yeah, the fear.

The reverence and the fear.

Yes.

There's something about this generation where there's just not a lot of things that are sacred. And sometimes when I hear the slang words that are used by some of the younger preachers and some of the cliches and the thing I'm like, you know, we'll like, you know, just even using the Lord's name in vain sometime. And I'm like. Because you got to understand the way I was taught. Yeah, I mean, you know, those are things where you're just waiting for the lightning to hit you at any time. And I see people do it with no thought of it. So. I agree, number one, I like you said, I think we need to go back and recapture some of that fear of the Lord. What else?

Sitting here even like thinking about like our generation and some of the stuff that we did is I think one thing we did well was we. We made it so welcoming for people. Like I feel like we made people feel really comfortable coming to church. But I think where we like dropped the ball is that church was always. And I think maybe the generations before us didn't make people feel as welcome.

It was a little.

Little.

I'm thinking that's true. I think you're right.

I think our generation helped people feel welcomed. But where we dropped the ball was Yalls generation saw results.

Right.

Things change. And I think that was part of the chaos. Like, like we're talking about people being delivered, like the real glory of the Lord, like falling down in the room. We didn't get that.

Can I tell you something? I never hear of that. I don't mean. I don't hear of it much. Yeah, I never hear of that. Whereas when I was in my 20s and in my 30s, we were disappointed. If there was not a move of.

God, it wasn't a special service.

Why did we even go? You know, I'll tell you what it is. I'm going to get spiritual right here a minute. I think it's the Mary Martha thing. Jesus went to Mary Martha's house. Let me just take my liberties here. You know, Martha's cooking, fluffing pillows, dusting the floor, sweeping. Because Jesus is 100% God and he's 100% man. He's not half and half, he's all of both. He's God incarnate, God inside of flesh. And so when Jesus walked in the house, there's two parts you can minister to. And Martha was ministering to his humanity. She wanted to make sure he was comfortable, he's fed, he's treated properly. But Martha, I mean, Mary just sat down and postured herself and just gazed. She couldn't take her eyes off of him. She was enamored, and she postured herself in a posture of worship. Martha complained, and then Jesus, I never understood this statement for a long time until a few years ago. He said, mary has chosen the greater portion. There were two portions to minister to his humanity, his deity. And Mary chose the greater. She ministered to the God and not the man in church. Here's where I'm concerned. We have gotten great at hosting people. We've lost the ability to host God. We are a Martha church.

Oh, I totally agree.

We latte you. We'll give you a virtual tour. You can sign up to get your. We're even doing this at our church now. We're on our website. You can sign up for your visit and we will have somebody meet you with their name, take you to your kids. And so I'm not being hypocritical. I believe in this. And we want to get better at it. So we're doing all these things to make sure people are comfortable. But there are protocols to make sure God is comfortable and we don't acknowledge them. And so what we. And I don't know that most Christians know the difference between talent and anointing. So they don't know what they're missing, that if somebody's good to them, they're being touched by God, I guess. But I know when the anointing's in the room and when the anointing's not.

And it's the most miserable thing.

Miserable, miserable like God, come get me.

I don't care If I sing 12 bad notes. I care if I'm not anointed. I deeply care about that.

And you know when it's not right, you know when it's not right. You know when you're not prepared, you know when you're not as consecrated. And it affects everything. And even in God, sometimes God's still gracious and merciful. And I didn't get time to pray like I wanted to or I'm on my schedule or this and that and other. But you know when it's not right. If you've ever experienced the anointing, it's miserable when you know it's not there. And so that would be probably one of my chief concerns. Not a complaint, not a concern. Because I don't know why, guys, it has to be either or why can't it Be both.

Yes, sir.

Why can't we make people comfortable? And why does God make people uncomfortable? If God's in the room.

Yeah.

Why would that make people uncomfortable? Shouldn't that challenges. I don't know. You know, we are getting ready. Let me tell the people what we're doing here. I'm actually going to cast a vision before the whole team tonight because y' all felt like I needed to go talk to them about our services actually becoming more interactive.

Yes, sir.

And the praise and worship remaining on the stage. And a portion of the word may come out of the second song, but I may sing the third song and come back and give the last point. We may minister out of the third song and not even finish the message. We may. Where it's just going to move with God. And I know a lot of the people that are this hour of power and get them out and they're scheduled. I know that makes them start twitching just hearing me talk like this. But here's the thing. I'm on the west coast now as well as the East Coast. The west coast has a different set of needs than the Southeast.

Right.

And I do not believe God brought me across the country, uprooted me at age 50 from everything we've known. I don't think he brought me out here to build a church. I think he brought me out here to bring a move.

Yes, sir. To affect it.

And for a move to happen, you have to have the right pieces in place. Because if you remember, the ark. The ark had to be carried.

Yes.

So there's got to be people that can carry the presence of God. And I finally feel like God has brought the pieces together. And although they're from la, once in Florida, Tennessee, it's a different day where we're bringing the pieces together from all over the nation. But now when the musician pieces are together and the vocal pieces are together, we are moving. You need to know what to expect if redemption is a place where you enjoy being fed and get your church. We're moving to these services where God can enter and exit at any time he pleases.

Yeah.

And where we. We are pressing to see a lot more of his demonstration.

Yes.

Because I'm really not interested in y' all singing three or four songs and me giving a 20 minute thing and just sending them out.

Right. I agree.

That's not.

Because. What changed?

You know, Nothing. Nothing. When. When they. When everybody leaves the way they came in. Why did we come?

Why did we come? Got all the way dressed.

Just stay at home. Drink Your coffee and watch the football game. I mean, what, what. Why are we going to all that effort? You know, we've been on here about a half hour and it went quick, by the way. But I want some of your peers. So there's going to be some people watch this that wouldn't normally watch it because they hear y' all are on it. What do you want to see? What can you say now with me that may be in another room? You wouldn't be able to say, I missed this. I want to see this. There's something missing. I want to pursue it. What do you. You go first, Lizzy. What do you want to see your generation grab hold of that they don't have?

We've been doing like 21 days of prayer and I was in here yesterday praying and I was just like, it's so simple. But like I really want to experience the glory. Like, I really want just that, like heavy, weighty glory. And it's. Everyone in the rooms, everyone in the room knows. There's no question about it, you know, that he came. And I really want to see like the real stuff, like people's bodies healed, like miracles and marriages. I don't hear about that stuff anymore. I want to have my own stories, my own testimonies of his presence.

I like that when you need your own story, you don't need to hear mine.

Yeah, I don't want to live off my dad's story or my grandparents story. They're great and I'm grateful for them and they're what makes me have the faith to believe for my own. But I want us to be able to pass something down to the next generation. Not just.

You want to tell your kids. Let me tell you what God did.

Exactly. Yep. I love sitting around like even when some of you and your pastor friends will be there and hearing all the funny stories, but also the crazy miracle stories. We should have more of those.

We should.

What do you think? What do you think you need to go back and recapture?

Yeah, I second all of that. Even the prophetic flowing too.

Oh yeah.

Like to where you know.

Okay, okay. Now we were coming to an end.

I forgot about that.

Let me tell you something. Define that. Because when you say the prophetic part.

There'S some people have no idea.

Never been to church with that.

The word of knowledge, that happens. And even the word of wisdom, sometimes that happens. Where God will speak directly to you.

Right.

Where you are your situation and you're called out. Like, first of all, we feel seen, but we are able to be challenged in a way that gives us a promise to fight for now. Because we've heard even a greater vision of the future, a foretelling, you know, that gives us that extra, like, let's charge and go after it. I miss that. Like, are we going after the same thing? You know, are we going after the promise that is waiting on us? Each of us by name and collectively as a church and as a bride?

I rarely see people prophesy.

We don't see it prophesy anymore.

Rarely ever.

Now, I wasn't here. I've had a procedure that I'm still healing from. I got it covered up now, but I'm healing. But that happens Sunday, right? Pastor Dwayne, who runs our fellowship, he stands in for me whenever I miss the pulpit. And we have a like spirit. We even have a like word, like theology. So there's not a lot of, you know, a difference when, when, when I'm gone. Because I know he operates in that same flow. But now I understand that there was a prophetic part of the service where he turned around and started prophesying to the stage.

He did exactly.

And just wiped about half the stage out. I think what he was doing, we.

Were all laid out on the floor. I mean, I mean, he prophesied to the church and it was such an insane prophecy. If you weren't watching him, you thought he was reading out of the Word. Like it was just about a ten minute long prophecy. And then they turned around and stretched their hands towards us and the whole team was just laid out. But it is what she's saying. It's like prophecy gives you something to hold on to and believe for. And gosh, I miss it so much.

Well, we're not going to miss it anymore because we're going after it. We're going after it.

Yes, sir.

And here's what I want to do. I don't want to be a finger pointer. And we got it right. You got it wrong. I want to create a whole.

Yes, that's right.

I want people to come and say, we want to study what's happening here in your worship. Because our pastor saw it and realized that that's something that is not happening. What do you have to do to open up the heavens and have these type of services where the people will be in touch like this. Wow, guys, thank you for hanging out with me a little while.

Thank you.

And you make it more interesting when Hope's not here. I usually do it by myself and it's not, not nearly as interesting. Because she's the life of the party. But she'll be back. She's the life of the party and her smile lights up the room. So anyway, y' all come in here and you help bail me out today. And this is a good topic. Like share comment on YouTube streaming platform subscribe if you're not already because we are also going to promo the church services a little bit. We have I church. You can go through the app or go to our website. And it's not just online streaming. It is a community of people, about 2,500 to 3,000 where this is their church home. We pastor them, we have a staff that pastors them just with their virtual online experience. If you say, you know what, this is really intriguing where they say they're going and I want to be a part of it, you need to go there on Sundays and hang out with us. Because I'm telling you, something is getting ready to be released. Not just here, but right where you are like never before. I love these guys. They're precious to me and we all love you and I hope to see you again real, real soon. Until next time. It's run and hope unfiltered, real raw and relevant. You guys be blessed.