Generation Gap | Ron + Hope: Unfiltered with guests Andrew Maldonado and Lizzie Morgan

Foreign. Hey, guys, this is Ron and Hope. Unfiltered, real raw and relevant, and the star of the show. I love you guys, but hopes to start the show.

She is.

She's not here. And she was supposed to be here, but she's not feeling real good.

Yes, sir.

She's got watery eyes and itchy nose and her throat sore and this and that and other. So we let her bow out. But anyway, Andrew and I got Lizzie here from red worship. You know what, Lizzy, before we get started, you said a lot of people don't put redemption and red worship together.

Well, they're connecting the dots. They're trying to. Yes, sir.

That's hard for me to believe. I thought everybody would have automatically kind of put that together.

I know.

We basically have about four worship leaders in house.

Yes, sir.

Some other people rotate into red worship. They have special guests. But red worship, basically the core of it comes out of the praise and worship of redemption.

Yes, sir.

And we just felt like we had something unique, something multicultural, maybe a little bit of a niche that wasn't being totally captured right now. And so when we came together, that was the sound that started coming out of you guys and out of this house. So when you hear red worship, you're also talking about the people that make redemption happen on Sundays and then we take it all over the world. But anyway, Hope's not with us today, so you're not going to get to hear her make fun of me. Uh oh, and all the other things that come with it. But we might make fun of the sombrero he wore.

I was just gonna say, but you'll.

Make fun of me.

You'll make fun of us.

So anyway, Lizzie's so easy to make fun of. I gotta find a way. Yeah, I gotta find a way to make fun of you. But anyway. Was that your first time leading in a hat? I know you've led in a ball cap, but straight out of Mexico, like you did.

Straight outta Mexico, Straight out of Mexico, alligator boots on, you know? Yes.

And you're 100% Mexican, right? Right?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

And you're married to jaslyn, who is 100%.

She's actually Mexican, Salvadorian, Italian. She got them on everything, so.

And she's the one with 15 syllables to her name. Jasmine, Mariah, Solari, Zepita Maldonado. Okay, yeah, 15 syllables to the name. I counted that up. We make. We make it funny. These are all inside jokes. We're going to talk a little bit. We just want to. We want to talk About a culture of worship.

Yes, sir.

We got a new person on our team, Lex, who's going to be doing my social media, and I was talking to her yesterday, and she was talking about how your generation.

Yes, sir.

All y' all about the same age, you know, late 20s, Gen Z, early millennials, Late millennials, rather. And she was just talking about the fact that in some ways, her generation has had an easier time probably grabbing hold of a worship culture than a word culture.

Wow.

And I haven't heard that. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not one better than the other. But it's like if you got great, great God experiences in your worship, maybe they'll tolerate preaching or teaching. Isn't that strong? Because this generation really connects to the worship culture. And I think a lot about the different generations and stuff. And there may be some truth to that, because I'd get in my car and chase down a great preacher.

Yes, sir.

Right.

And be honest with you, in my generation, I'm just going to be honest. While we're sitting talking about it, it would almost like the worship part was almost like a precursor. So let's get on with the preacher. You know what I'm talking about? And it's like everybody's checking their watch. When's the preacher coming out? And I do think in some ways it has shifted. And I'm just going to ask you guys, this is unscripted. In fact, we didn't even know how to title it. We just said we'll title it when we get finished because we don't know where it's going. You think she's right? And if so, why?

I mean, I heard this quote.

Not bad or good. Do you think she's right?

I heard this quote a couple weeks ago, and I'm probably going to butcher it, but it's like music has an ability to hit your heart without your mind's permission. And I think with worship music today, it is hitting a generation in a place that great communication couldn't, or highly, you know, specific teaching or whatever the case may be, whereas once before it might have. We're seeing music do something that it's never done before. It's opening hearts. Because we live in the information age. There's always something to learn about. There's always something to read about. There's always something to be, to say at your fingertips, at your fingertips, at the forefront of your. At the forefront of every attention, you know, aspect that you have. Whereas music, it goes beyond all that, and it hits your heart directly I think that could be. And again, I heard this, like, a couple of weeks ago, and I was like, wow, that makes so much sense. Kind of puts pressure on us because you're like, man, that worship, that music better be. Better be. Right, you know? But at the same time, it's like, I can see that being part of the reason why you think so.

You're a church girl. You're a church girl, and here's the advantage you have. You saw several generations at work because you were birthed, raised everything in church. But, you know, I don't know why we started here, but just thinking about it, when I was in my late 20s pastoring.

Right.

30 years old pastoring, I don't know anybody's worship leader or worship team that could have packed out an arena, but I know a bunch of preachers that could absolutely right now flip. I don't know many preachers that could. I can think of maybe two.

Right?

Maybe. Maybe Jake's. Maybe Osteen.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

But now Maverick City has packed them, many of them out. Elevation has packed many of them out. Hillsong has packed many of them out. Probably would want to throw Bethel in that.

Yeah, absolutely.

And then even y' all just last week in Hollywood, ticketed event. The building's packed a ticketed event. And, you know, we're a startup man.

Yes, sir.

So what do you think, Lizzy?

I think you hit on it. I feel like the preaching nowadays is just not the same as it was when I grew up. Because I grew up, it was more than just preaching. It was preaching that led to this big move of God. At the end, you knew you were gonna be touched. You knew there was gonna be miracles, there was gonna be breakthrough, something at the end of that.

Preaching for change.

Yes.

And I think now it also hits what Drew said. Like, we are such a consumer generation. Like, we're constantly on our phones consuming different things. We can pull up a sermon about anything we want at any point. And so it's like, for us to want to come and be a part of something and be in person for it, there has to be more than just a word. There has to be something that's. It's going to change us. There's going to be what you said, like, an impact at the end of it. Not just three points about a subject.

No. Yeah. Let me ask you something else. Let's. Let's keep going down this road. I want to point out some differences, and when I say differences, not better than yes, sir, just differences.

Right.

Why is Red Worship different than all the others.

That's a great question.

There's a bunch of people doing.

There's a bunch of people doing it at a high level.

Yes, sir.

We, we did all come together, right? Everybody. And Roosevelt's been a part, you know, and, and Jonathan Stamper, John been a part. Even Naomi's come in and blessed us. You know, what is it that we, the core of us, got together and said, we bring this to the table.

It's funny, we all sat down all together and kind of tried to talk about the things that mattered to us, who we think we are, what's important to us.

Core values.

Yes, sir. And I feel like one thing, like when I think about the Israel generation, he was such a bridge between cultures and different styles of churches. But I think one thing that, and even Pastor Ron, I feel like a big part of who you are in this church is like there's a bridge between generations. I feel like we're fighting to keep something that was so sacred before us and trying to also do it in a new way that a younger generation can grab hold of.

It's well said.

And I think like, that's been a huge part of who we are. Like there's something on the generations before us and we're constantly chasing after it. We want it, but we also want to be able to reach the new people and package it in a way that is something that they don't desire to be a part of.

I had a podcast I did a while back with Travis Green.

Yes, sir.

And love Travis. I'm a Travis fan. I ain't talking about his music. I love Travis. Good friend. And talking to Travis about the generations and the knock on the generation now is that a lot of my generation didn't finish. Well, you had all these power guys. And I mean power. I remember times where I was like, God's going to hit me. Yeah. But it's sometime or another, for whatever reason, and hey, I've experienced my own derailments.

Yes, sir.

Life kind of came off the rails and the ending almost nullified everything that they had done. And he says the pushback of Yalls generation was, we don't want that. But you threw the power out with it. Wow. And so when you said bridge to a generation, I think that's what I'm screaming. No, I don't believe. You have to have an out of balance life that ends in a divorce and your wife hates you because you were never at home. I don't believe. And your kids don't know who you are, don't want to speak to you. And such as so many ministers that I've seen, but who operated in powerful anointings and demonstration and you go to their services and have God encounters to which you would leave. And never I can name five or six times where I know I left a particular service and I was changed forever. And so I stand in the middle and say, let's be healthy in a new way, but don't forget the good stuff. Don't forget the good stuff. So how can we be really great at what we do and not sloppy, but be excellent and represented a high level? But God's moving and tears are flowing and bodies are being healed and the prophetic is being loosed. And I mean, all these things, why can they not all happen at the same time? I think that's what I'm after.

Absolutely.

Would you say that that's not a little bit about what red worship is about?

Absolutely. Because I think what we've discovered is that power and legitimate move of God and sound health don't have to be mutually exclusive. I think something that, I mean, I've learned this from Lizzie. I mean, Terrence has talked about this. There was a degree of legitimacy to the men and women of God of the former generation. They had to walk in a level of intimacy with the Lord that cannot be faked. But then the way the world is. So then come speak 500 times a year and come do this and come do that and then their mental health.

My dad. Yeah, my dad is still to this day the holiest man I've ever met. But my dad's life was so, so out of balance. My daddy died when he was 62. Because when my dad got sick, he was. He just had no strength to fight it because of his lifestyle. Right, his lifestyle. And I was even taught as a kid. I don't know why I feel sorry for me. I had a great home. But I was taught my daddy's different from your daddy. Because my daddy belongs to God, Right?

Yes.

So all the other kids, your dad's watching you at ball practice day. Well, your dad did that because your dad's a mechanic and he gets off at 5. My dad belongs to Jesus. So it was almost like I had to grow up thinking my dad's absence is because he was married to God. And I had to wear that like a badge, not knowing that when I got later, it left some holes on the inside of us, left some deficiencies. So I agree. It was out of balance life. And I've probably been there. I went one time, three years where I was preaching about 315 times a year. I just want to tell you guys, that ain't human. I would preach between services, go in the back and cough up blood and go back in there and preach insane.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

And that's anointed.

Right? Right.

That's what God expects of me.

Right.

And then, you know, my blood pressure's through the roof, my cholesterol's through the roof. And now I agree that there's some things that we just need to get wiser and we need to get smarter.

Yes, sir.

But we got a conference coming up next year called Mantles.

Yes, sir.

That I'm really excited about. And it's honestly, y' all have pushed me to do something a little different than anything I've done.

We're excited.

We are excited.

It's a desire to bring two generations together and let something be passed from one to another that they need. Who. Who had the vision for that? Cuz y' all brought it to me. Well, you going to take credit for it? Come on, dad. You better own.

Was really your sermons. I. I kept hearing you. I got to hear you at Pastor.

Rod me push for something.

And then I've just heard you different times kind of talk about the generations. And you have a whole story with the video team at the airport talking about if they needed.

Okay, so that spoke to you?

Oh, yes. Yes, sir, 100%.

Let me tell. Can I tell that story?

Yes, go ahead, please.

Give me three minutes. I'll tell the story. We have two campuses on both coasts, and sometime if we're doing something special on east, we'll take some folk from the west, vice versa. So we were doing 212, and I had three cameramen that are really savvy that I wanted to bring from east coast here. And we had a layover in Denver, and I said, let me take you out, get some dinner, because it's going to be late when you get back. I don't want you to go to Denver, in and out and get a hamburger. Let me take you dinner. And so I looked up, I said, I'm. I'm here. I'm going to shoot my shot right here. And I said, okay, guys, they're all about 26 to 32, all of them married. And I said, all right, guys. I said, your wife's been diagnosed critically ill. There is no cure. If God doesn't come in, if she doesn't have a miracle, she's going to Pass. She's not going to be here. I said, the pastor has to be under 45. What church are you going to to get your miracle? And these are guys that know everybody, right?

They know all the pastors.

Crickets.

Yes, sir.

And so three, four seconds passed. And I point. I said, that is so sad. To me it is.

It's really sad.

That's not an indictment. I just said, that is so sad. Because if you would have asked me that as 30, as a 30 year old, I would have popped you off 50 churches. I'd have gone to the top of my head who I knew was going to be having a healing line.

Yes, sir.

And so I told you, I think I started talking about it in my Heavenly Chaos series. Some of the other stuff about worship and warfare and what's going on in the heavens, I think I talked about. I'm really concerned that these experiences that shape so much of my walk with God. I have a very deep walk with God.

Yes, sir.

And these experiences shaped it. I'm scared that a whole generation is not going to experience any of them.

That's so scary.

It's got to be more about throwing your T shirt and handing you some coffee. It's got to come or another, it's got to exceed that.

Right.

So tell me, what say you? Because you know, you're in that generation.

Yes, sir.

I'm looking at it. My kids are in it.

Right.

But you know, you live in that generation. How can you create a hunger for what they've never tasted?

I think that's why it hits me personally so much, because I grew up in it.

You did. I remember like your grandparents, your parents. Yeah.

Yes, sir. I remember like sleeping under pews and being woken up because like my grandparents would be like, you need to experience this. There's people getting healed. And so I would wake up as a little girl and watch it. And I'm in church probably two, three times a week almost now, and I rarely see that happen. And so when you spoke on it, it hit me in the gut. Yes, sir. Cause I think about our kids one day. I want them to experience that. It's those experiences that make me love church and love God to this day. And so it is scary that a generation would completely miss out on that. And so when you talked about that, I was like, I do think there are people that desire what you all have. It's just finding those people and bringing them in a room and letting their hunger fill the room and having the people who carry the anointing and carry that mantle to pass it down to us. I think that, like, that exchange is so missing because I think there are a lot of people that beat up on us, but they don't.

No doubt.

But they don't want to help us.

And I don't want to be that. I've said over and over again that happened to me.

Yes, sir.

Because when I was the 26, 28, 30 years old, I was very radical. I came out of a domination. And I'm just going to tell you, I got the crap beat out of me. Right. I did. My first battles weren't with the devil. My first battles were with church. Just, I mean. And so I got out of it and went independent.

Yes, sir.

And didn't want to really, but just the war against me for the way I was doing things. And I remember back then, I'm like, man, you know, when I get a little older, I don't want to be that guy.

Yes, sir.

And then here I am, I look back and I see the deficiencies. And I want to say it without being that guy. And so that's the hard thing for me. So that was a compliment, Lizzie. I do want to be a bridge.

Yes, sir.

And our demographics are showing us that the Gen Z generation and the millennials are by far and away our fastest growing generation. Even though I'm a baby boomer, that's crazy. I'm like, I don't know how we're drawing that, because that's a little unusual. But I'm grateful for it because I want the opportunity to put something in them that maybe they're not getting.

Right, right, right, right. And I think that's where the draw is. Because, you know, they talk about millennials being a cause oriented generation, that they get fired up at the idea of making impact and making change. You don't get much greater than an impact in the presence of God changing somebody's life. And millennials will get behind that. And I think our generation truthfully, is not at all lacking influence. You got social media, you got all this other stuff. But I think the question begins to get raised on what are we influencing them toward? And I think what I've seen with you, Pastor, because I didn't grow up in church at all, like, we have polar opposite experience. I was in the heathen. I just, you know, was raised Catholic. And then it just, you know, I went off the rails for a few years.

Were you a Catholic, committed Catholic, or casual Catholic? I've heard a lot of people say Catholic. That means a Lot of different things.

Yeah. I would say more on the casual side, but weirdly, I mean, I found myself as a little boy walking to mass on my own. So there's some. There's definitely Holy Spirit somewhere.

So there was something in me.

There was something in me that was immediately drawn. But what I will say is this, that I have seen with people who relate kind of more to my story of like, oh, wow, this is different. I can see the people who even say, like, man, I didn't grow up in church. But their eyes begin to well up with tears because they're like, I've never felt that before. Or, you know, somebody gets up and does walk out of a wheelchair, and it's like, they'll say, bro, I can't deny that. I can't argue that. I witnessed it for myself.

Right.

And I think our generation, there's been a little bit of, like, fear to go there because not wanting to be weird or whatever the case may be.

And that's the word I've heard more than any other thing.

And I get it. You know, I understand. People want to be effective. But at the end of the day, it's like, you either trust God or you don't.

You know what? My most watched podcast is one called Weird Church.

Right, Exactly.

And I sat up there and I got emotional. I wept. Because when you love what I love, I'm labeled weird.

Wow.

I love the presence of God. I'm not talking about. I love singing songs.

No, sir.

I love the presence of when God invades your space.

Come on, Pastor.

And when God invades your room and takes your planning center and kicks it out the door.

Come on.

And then all of a sudden, he begins to direct things in areas you never could have taken it. Your.

Ah, you live for that.

Oh, man.

That makes you sleep better at the end of a Sunday night.

And people at altars and broken and people on their face and kneeling. And nobody called for it, right? Nobody. Won't you kneel down now? Or won't you raise hands from front to back in the balconies? Up. And you never ask nobody to raise their hand. Why? Because it's something that is happening in the people between them and God. And I live for that. Yes, sir, I live for that. It's even changed kind of. I don't know if culture is the right word. It's changed the way in which we've even started, you know, with our songs. I thought, you know, let's go in there and find the flow.

Yes, sir.

You know, Sunday Here. Yeah, I know we sang the first two, but the last two, after the altars packed out and God started moving. I don't know what all we did, songs we didn't.

I'll tell you, songs we didn't plan for.

And I didn't care.

Right.

Nobody in here cared either, sir. All they cared is what they were experiencing at that moment.

Right.

And I told people this during the altar call Sunday. Lizzy, I think you were rotated out this past Sunday. The night I got saved, I was in an all black church, which was common for me. It's been my life. I'm the blonde head in an all black church. You know, I don't remember a thing the preacher said. If you had a gun to my.

Head, you couldn't remember.

But I cannot forget how I felt.

Come on, sir.

That part.

Look at Disney World, the money they'll spend to create a feeling. Look at Christmas places, the money they will spend to create a feeling. I want people to come to Redemption and leave and say, I will never forget how I feel. Would I like for them to remember one of my sermons? Yeah, I guess. But you know, Ron pastored Redemption, and if nothing else at Redemption, it was an experience you will never forget because God was there. And has it been hard with me coming to you guys who are now artists? You're a signed artist. You are an artist here with. With our record label.

Yes, sir.

Is it hard for y' all to drop the artist and chase the flow? Is it hard? You can talk freely. Go ahead.

Yeah, I think it's hard to get out of your head sometimes. I would say that's been one of the hardest things, I think for us, like, a little bit different with the generation. Thing is there's cameras around us constantly.

Yeah, we didn't have that.

Everything you do is recorded.

Only a mega, mega, mega, mega, mega church had cameras back in my day.

Right. And so it's like when you start flowing, I always say it's a risk. It's always a risk. Until the moment comes where God's just in the room and you're like, okay, we landed like he's here. We've done what we needed to do.

But haven't some of our biggest Instagram.

Hits been because of that?

The moments?

Absolutely. I feel like that's what made people start to like red hang around in first place was just moments from Sunday Morning. But I think the more you do it, the less you get worried and concerned about everything. But there are definitely still moments where I'm like, I'm about to try this, and I hope that the Lord, like, comes through, because if not, it's going to be embarrassing. But I think it's human to, like, be worried about what people think. And I think as worship leaders, it's always trying to get over that part of yourself.

I'm going to get in your head a little bit. So when you're standing up there and there's thousands of people in the building and a whole lot more on the cameras. Come on.

I knew he was going there.

Is that really going? Are you fighting. Fighting that battle at that moment? So you're feeling like this is where God wants to go, but there's a little bit of a battle going on inside of you. Is that safe to say?

I will say from personal experience and again, being somebody who did not come from a church background, where that thing, the different things that you guys are describing are familiar. Absolutely. But I think that you need to get around people like Liz and like yourself who will tell you, God's moving. God, you know, and because, like, I remember specifically heavenly chaos, the first message you preached at the end of that service, you know, shameless. Plug on. We want revival. But we sang that bridge, or we sang the chorus. Let the heavens open up and your spirit pour out. You grabbed your jacket and you start waving it around.

I did.

I remember that I wasn't here, but I saw the right.

And it was me and Trinity. But the thing is, is the rooms, you know, everybody's running around. And you can clearly tell some, because some people are even crying. Some people are dancing, some people are crying.

I'm like, some people are saying, that guy's crazy.

That guy's w. But I remember I'm looking at Trin. Like, I'm feeling.

Do I.

Do. I do. Go sing. Like, you know, and she's looking and she's like, almost mad.

Go.

You need. You need to go. And I think, like, what she said.

Trinh's a church girl.

She is, right.

But I gotta give her credit. She will call the best out of you.

Yeah.

In every single church girl. And recognizing that battle was like, okay, if it wasn't for people like Liz and Trinity and yourself, you know, saying God is actually moving and you need to break that performance orientation, which we, as creatives, we are all searching for the validation and the appreciation and the affirmation of others. Subconsciously and consciously, we want it, but it doesn't matter. When there's a move of God, there's nothing to be affirmed. He's doing the Work. And I think that the more we do it, like she said, now, what happened this last Sunday, it wasn't a big deal. Yeah, Our camera guys got involved. Lyrics. Guys are flowing with us. Cameras running around, vans on board. But you've created that culture.

We are. We have assembled of people now that are. That know how to chase the flow, because everybody just can't. I had a pastor not too long ago look at me. And he said, this is. And this is a pastor of a major church. He said, if I tried to get my band to do what y' all do, he said, they would implode.

Really?

That's heartbreaking.

Nobody does it anymore.

No, he said they would implode. This is a great band. This is great music at this church.

Yeah, absolutely.

He said, but you know that. Okay. It's coming off the rails. And let's say what we had planned, we were functioning at a nine.

Yes, sir.

But it flows. And you can still stay at a 7 or 8. You know, most people saying, basically, if we tried to come off the reset, go from a nine to a two real quick. And so you have to have a certain kind of people with a certain kind of flow, and then somebody has to step up. And what I call Stephen Ward taught me this. Stephen said, somebody has to be in charge of the flow. He said, somebody don't have to be in charge. You don't have to have the guy who's the point. He said, but somebody's got to be managing the flow. And one of the times I saw Stephen have one of the most powerful encounter nights I'd ever been. I don't think Stephen sung a song. I've never seen Stephen not sing a song.

Right, Right.

Stephen usually sings about 25 songs.

Right.

But the fact is, that night, he barely sung a song. But he managed the way that thing was moving, and it was powerful. And I just thought to myself, man, what a lost art. What a lost art to let people experience God that way. I'll tell you what, I fight. I don't fight what y' all fight. I fight time.

Oh, yeah.

I'm A.D.D. i am A.D.D. i was in meetings this morning, and I'm standing up. I'm like, all right, guys, I'm fading. This has got to get interesting real quick. Yes, sir. Okay. I'm just. I'm ADD So I've been out there.

Right?

Right.

And something has got to be really happening to keep Ron dialed in as a participant when I'm not, when I'm preaching, I can go all day yes, sir. But when I'm a participant, you know, making 5,000 people in a building stand there while you praying for somebody, well, I dial out, and I start dialing out. So unless there's just God created chaos in the room, it's hard to keep. And so I don't ever want nobody to feel like that. So sometimes my. I'm just being honest.

Yes, sir.

Sometimes I'm wanting to push it along when I think sometimes God would, like, run. Stay right here. Stay right here.

Come on.

And so while y' all are having that battle in your head, I got another battle going on inside of me because I know how I feel when I'm out there, right? And it just stretches out. Stretches out. Now, you know, if it's like an old Benny Hinn crusade and there's just chaos breaking out everywhere and, you know, 8,000 people just got slain in the.

Spirit I'm dialed in, it's different.

But I have noticed a lot of pastors will make everybody sit there and watch one person get ministered to, then another, you know, and you stand there. And so in my mind, I'm like, okay, I don't want to do what people have done to me.

Right?

But I have gotten home before and been and felt my spirit, and this is real. I'm just being real talk. Be a little bit grieved that maybe, maybe God wanted to do something today and I was too eager to come up there and shift it. And I'm going to tell you, there ain't nobody harder on Ron than Ron. I can really give myself a spanking. And so, you know, we want to chase God, but we all admit we gotta deal with ourself and that pursuit. Yes, sir. And I know Gen Z and millennials love authenticity. That's about as authentic as I know how to be.

Absolutely.

Because. And I also, if I get in that word of knowledge or word of wisdom, and I did Sunday, I called out a blood disease. I called it out. You know, when you sit there and you start moving like that, you know what's in the back of your mind? What if you're missing it?

I hope I'm right.

You know what? It's all right to miss God if you're by yourself. Right. But when you miss him publicly, it's scary when you miss him publicly and you're like, you don't want to discredit and everybody feel like he doesn't have an ability to hear God. All these things. See, they just think we get up there and do what we do. They don't know all this stuff is going on inside of them while you're trying to be used by God just to bless the people. So anyway, let me ask you a question. Are you ever nervous anymore when you get on stage?

Absolutely.

Really?

Every single time, Are you?

Absolutely every time.

I never am not nervous.

I pick up a microphone. I don't think it's. I'm nervous because I lack the ability or the reps in doing it. I think I always approach the stage with a grave sense of responsibility.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

God could have chosen anybody to do this. And he allowed me, right? He allowed me to do it. Yeah. All right. I'm on shift.

This is awesome.

We want to put our money where our mouth is. In other words, if we're chasing something, we want to do it.

Yes, sir.

Y' all came up with this Mantle Conference in a condensed version. Both of you can speak to it. What is the Mantle Conference and what are we trying to do and what can people expect when they get here?

You go first.

I think it's really capturing what we've talked about. I think that there is going to be a very heavy weight that weekend. I don't know why. I just feel like we were already expecting it. But people that we've admired for a really long time are going to be here. And I think that it's just gonna be an opportunity for a lot of people like us who desire the anointing that the generation before us carried. We're gonna get to experience that and actually have that mantle passed down. I think it's gonna be huge and something that I never see anywhere. And so just even like to see how in the old days they would actually lay hands on us and pass down that anointing, that mantle. That's huge to find nowadays. And so I think that a real move of God vulnerability, like we're doing right now and actually like talking about the problem and fixing the problem. Yeah, I think that's. That weekend's going to be a huge shift for a generation, hopefully. Right? Yeah.

So we are going to have great speakers, but it's kind of more of a God chasing weekend.

Exactly.

We're going to have a plan. We want to do everything we do at a high level.

Yes, sir.

But I think we're coming in with the plan of throwing caution to the wind. And our main goal is just revival.

Right.

That's actually the best way to put it. Because the truth is, you know, we don't want to say what Jacob did. Surely the Lord was in this place and I missed it.

I didn't know.

And I was asleep, you know, I think that you have established a precedent that if God doesn't show up, I don't want any party. Moses said, if you don't go with.

Us, it's a waste of my time.

I don't want to go. I think that as red worship, as a bunch of worship leaders around this age, we're done with the fake stuff, you know, and not that we do the fake stuff, but what I'm saying is, like, let us not let another chance, another day pass us by that we can't have this previous generation that has walked so boldly, so courageously through so much, you know, Now I feel like to be a worship leader and to do what we do, it's kind of the cool. It's become the cool thing.

The cool thing.

It's all over social media and whatever the case may be. Whereas back in the day, not so much there was persecution that is not around. Like, you know. So what I'm saying is they walk through stuff that gave them so much authority and anointing and power. And we want that because to be here and to do what we do and to not have that power. We can have all the influence, we can have the great songs, we can have all that stuff. But if lives are not changing, there's no point for red worship. We don't want to just sell records, we don't want to just pack arenas. We don't want to just pack venues. That is not. Because we know that's not your heart. And we know for a fact that that specific weekend could not just be a. I feel like it's not going to just be a game changer for us and even specifically for our ministry, but for the people who come through those doors, they will leave legitimately changed. Their churches are going to be affected. Their families, their marriages, their jobs, their schools, they are going to be affected. I mean, we're going to see some stuff. Who knows? Maybe there'll be talks like Azusa street in California, Jesus Movement, California. And then, wow, that mental conference in the Bay Area. Wow. Let it be a historical talk.

I would love that.

You know, so I think that's what we're believing for.

Praise God. What's the date again?

May 2, May 6, 4th, 5th, 3rd. We will get the dates up there.

Look, we'll have a graphic. Our. Our manager.

Our manager and operations guys behind the scenes right now, shaking his head, but he's. He's writing the dates on a board, and he's gonna flash them to us May 7th through the 9th.

See? May 7th through 9th. This will be the best part of this podcast right here. This will be the most talked about part. Pastors up there promoting this conference don't.

Even know when it is on our calendar. Yeah.

May 7th through the 9th, we'll be here. San Jose, California. Don't miss it.

Everybody, of course, can come, right? But I think a generational transfer to a younger generation to experience something that they've never tasted or experienced before, I think that would be the most fulfilling thing.

Absolutely, yes.

For all of us.

I'm like, we want the anointing, please.

Yes, yes, yes. That's what we want. Guys, I appreciate you coming out here with me. You're not Hope, but your next best thing. So we got some of our own right here. It has been great to be with two of our very own, not only Redemption worship leaders, but Red Worship. And I hope you guys have enjoyed hearing this little talk. Go ahead and mark it down on your calendar, even if it's a long trip for you, because the fact is, there's some things worth the investment. There's some things worth the trip, and I would love to see this place packed out with a bunch of people that are ripping a hole through heaven. That's really what I would love to see.

Yes, sir.

And so praise teams and aspiring artists and band members and everything else. We want you to be a part and drag your pastors here.

Yeah, pastors and leaders. Come on.

Because pastors need to know how to operate in this flow as well. Anyway, I love you guys.

We love you, too.

Until next time, this is Ron in Hope. Unfiltered, real raw, and relevant. We'll see you guys later.

See ya.

See y'.

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