Hope + Ron: Unfiltered - It Is Possible To Live Right

A conversational podcast episode (Hope + Ron: Unfiltered) where Hope and Ron Carpenter address whether Christians can "live right." They contrast legalistic holiness teaching with grace, clarify "position" (righteous in Christ) versus "condition" (life circumstances), emphasize a repentant heart over perfection, and offer practical steps for restoration (identify people/places/environments, own the sin, submit to a mentor). The episode closes with prayer, testimony references, and calls-to-action.
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Hello, everybody. It's running unfiltered. I'm back.
She's back.
Guess who's back.
They've had to. They've had to watch these things without you being on here. I don't know if my viewership's gone down or what. I hadn't checked it. I've been scared to. Yeah, you're the life of the party. No doubt. And especially with me feeling like I have a cold.
Yeah, you got a cold. You've had a cold. We got to get you on some immunity pills.
Emergency.
Yeah. If you would do that every day. Because I buy them, but you don't use them.
I take so many vitamins and stuff already, though. Yeah. I have been. I've been struggling just too long. All during the trip that we had in Europe, we were supposed to be over there ministering, and then I got back a few days and had a.
Wedding, got sick again.
We had a wedding that we had on the cliff of a mountain right up against the Pacific Ocean. The wind blew for two hours.
Yeah, you got sick.
So excuse me if I bark back and forth, but this is running hope unfiltered, real raw and relevant. We've missed you. Had some good, good talks.
Yeah.
Had some good podcasts.
They've been great. I've been listening.
But of course, when you're not here.
It'S never the same because it is raw end.
Not running anybody else is running anything.
But we do have some great guests. I think it's good for our listeners to have a different perspective sometime, to hear who we value, who the circle that we have, who we put stock in, who we listen to, who we value. So we let them listen to them.
You did your hair different today.
Did I?
What'd you do?
It's dirty.
You washed it this morning, didn't you? No, I was telling you last night. We really gotta pay attention to that, didn't I?
You did. You need to leave me alone with my hair today. We are gonna encourage our listeners. And the topic of our podcast today.
Is we gotta cut up a little bit to lighten the top. The top of your head.
No, I think it's gonna be really good and encouraging because, I mean, so many people and us, I mean, if you're honest, you always feel like, oh, can I live right? Do I do enough to please God? You know, the word we grew up hearing was sanctification in the Old Holiness Church is, you know, you got to pursue sanctification.
That's a biblical word.
It is.
You got words like Trinity. Trinity is how we explain God. It's not a biblical word, it's a man made word to try to somehow conceptualize God. Tri unity, three in one. But sanctification, that's a Bible word. And the fact is we need to know what Bible words are.
Yes, we do.
And we need to know what Bible words mean.
But the way we were taught was it was a definite second work.
Saved, sanctified and filled with. The Holy Ghost is our church.
So you couldn't get filled with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost until you were fully sanctified and sanctified.
There was a time where God would totally and completely destroy within you the sin nature.
Yeah, the sin nature. And that is just not true.
Yeah, Ron Carpenter all by himself took that theological doctrine and crushed it.
Right. Because the way we read the Bible is. It's a process. You are daily.
I don't think it's the way we read the Bible. It's the Bible.
Yes, you're washed by the renewing of the word.
Let's go all the way back though. Let's go back.
So the question is, can I really?
That's where I want to go to. I want to go to that question right there. Because number one, I want to say, absolutely, you can live. Right.
Yes.
I do think that we have a generation that rebelled against the Holiness message. I was brought up in the Holiness message. Some of it needed to be rebelled against because.
Rebelled.
It was not a message.
It needed to be rebelled.
Rebelled against.
You said rebel.
No, I didn't need to be rebelled against.
That's.
And here's why. Because it wasn't sanctification. It was works. It was, you get saved by grace and you stay saved by dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's.
How good you are.
And it makes you live in a performance orientation unto God, which is absolutely the reason Jesus came. The whole message of Jesus is that I can't be good enough for God. So Jesus removed me from, from the treadmill of trying to be good enough. Every religion, false world religion, is man's attempt to be good enough to be accepted by his God, Jesus. You couldn't get to God, so God came to you.
Right.
And that's where one of the places where we're different and we stand out from all the rest, but we rebel against, you know, a lot of things that the Holiness Church taught me was to live a life with deep convictions in my belief and in my faith with God.
So we're not talking about taking that Out.
No, no, no. I always say it this way. The pylons of my convictions were driven very deep in my life. And I've always said, you know, I like lines in my life that don't move. Right is right, right is right, and wrong is wrong. So now there's a life worthy of the calling that you've received. Well, even if your calling is just to be a Christian, there's a life worthy of that. And so in the rebellion against the holiness movement, you have the grace movement. Well, then you had all kind of craziness going on.
You can do whatever, win.
And just don't worry about it. It's all under grace. You don't worry about it. God's taken care of it. Don't worry about it. God will forgive it. And what people don't understand is we are the glory of God. So our lifestyle is a reflection of the glory of God in the earth. People who don't read the Bible don't go to church. All they have to do is read your life.
Yeah.
And so if your life is absolutely no boundaries, off the map, living everywhere, and you're hinging everything on grace, you don't understand the true walk of faith in the Bible.
That's good.
So on one part, I think I was raised in something that was hyper one way, it was way over on the other side, and then there was a rebellion to it, which always swings the pendulum so far. The other way, anything goes and don't worry about it, because we're living in the age of grace.
Well, there's a scripture on that. The scripture is, you know, should you continue sinning just because there's grace. And he says, God, God forbid.
God forbid. So in other words, God forbids you taking grace and making a mockery out of it by testing it every day.
Right.
Grace isn't something that you test. Grace is something that you enjoy a rest in. Because the fact is, when I don't get it, grace is still there. When I do get it, good, grace is still there. Because my best day, the Bible says, is filthy rags. Now, there's two things I need to draw right here that are theological, and then I'll get way back. Practical. Okay. Position and condition. Position and condition. Jesus came and now I am the righteousness of God in Christ. Righteousness is not holiness. Righteousness of God in Christ. Holy is something you become. Righteous is something you. I am right now. The righteousness of God in Christ. Righteousness means I have been aligned now and positioned properly with God. I am no longer Distant, lost, out of step. There is no division, there is no wedge between me and my brother.
And I'm righteous because of the.
I'm the righteous. Yeah. So Jesus came and aligned me perfectly with God. My position with God is perfected and cannot be improved upon by any good conduct, behavior or anything else. I am perfectly positioned with God. But now out of that position, your condition constantly changes because there are parts. Okay. The Bible says I'm blessed, but I can look at the conditions of my finances.
Right.
And though positionally under God, I am a blessed man. The conditions have to line up. The Bible can say that a marriage is peaceful and there may be two people out there saying, we're fussing day and night, 24 hours a day. Yeah. So the conditions have not matched the position. But you've got to know God has settled the issue. And what God has settled in a heavenly place, it becomes in the earth.
And what. The distance between what is settled and where we are now is the degree of our revelation. It's all in what we know.
About your position.
Yeah, about your position.
The more I know about my position, the more my condition changes.
Right? You get a more condition on it, so you shift and change.
There are a lot of people that don't understand that. They think, well, my life doesn't reflect the Bible. Nobody's life reflects all 2,000 pages in the Bible. So what happens when, by the renewing of my mind, the conditions of my life begin to follow the pattern of my thinking, which is being renewed by the word of God day by day.
By day by day.
So you're all right with God? There's nothing you need to go out and do to make sure. That's what makes sure me and God's all right. You're all right. Now, the conditions of your life, living up to the level of everything God has provided, that's a conditional basis. Let's talk about that more. Have you ever. God, I'm never going to do it again. And God, I'm so sick of this sin. And God, I'm just telling you, if you'll get me out of it, I never go back. And I mean, three days ain't gone by, not me. And you're like, you know what, Lord, what about you? I said I wasn't gonna ever do it again. Oh, my gosh.
We've all done it because we all have something different in our life. Yours might be this, mine's that. His is that. Hers is this. We all have a sin.
The besetting sin.
Yeah. Besetting sin of proclivity and iniquity that we're bent toward. And it's like that thing we got rid of six or seven other things, but it's that one thing that we can't seem to tackle. And so that's that thing where we say, we'll never do it again. God, if you'll just get me out of this situation.
And when we said it, we meant it.
Yeah, we mean it.
When we said it, we meant it. But our flesh is bent toward that. Now, you got to understand, and your enemy knows that, and he paints a bullseye on it. The enemy does not attack you in your strength. The enemy attacks you in places of weaknesses. So I've always told people, most people spend their whole life studying what their strengths are. But just like you have dominant strengths, you have dominant weaknesses.
You got to know it.
There are things I bring to the table for hope that are great strengths, but those things that are my strengths create blind spots. And she sees the blind spots. There are things she brings to the table with me that are great strengths, but those great strength ring blind spots. When you get us both together, we're supposed to be well rounded. But I just. I want to talk to the person who feels like. They feel like they live under the condemnation.
That's the enemy's job.
And they can't ever get it right. Here's where I want to go.
That's his job.
Do I need to open this yet or. We need to take a break right here.
No, go. Go for it, Hope.
There is a difference between weakness and wickedness.
I agree with that. I agree with that.
And you know, it's like benevolence sometimes. You can't filter the cancer from the wants. I love benevolence.
Yeah, Helping.
But I hate helping all the people that won't. And we miss the people who can't. You see what I'm talking about?
Yeah.
It's the same. We can't always. And somebody else. We can't figure out if it's a weakness or wickedness because on the surface, they look the same. Someone that hates their sin is aware of it, repentant toward God and making drastic efforts in the presence of God for that part of their nature to be touched and to be changed is different than somebody. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. I have every intention on continuing to do it.
Yeah, I'm making plans to do it again.
I have no plans to change. Yeah, okay. Big difference between the two. And God looks upon the heart we can't do that. I wish I could. But we see the conduct and the behavior. God knows the condition of the heart. The thing is, I think where you're safe with God is if you hate your sin, if you start justifying it, if you start giving excuses for it, if you start making room for it.
That'S not real repentance.
Yeah. If you start hiding it, I think you've got problems when sin where you are aware of it and you're repentant of it and you're sorrowful of it. Godly sorrow worketh repentance. What is repentance? Change of mind. People who are truly sorry because they know that that action grieves the Holy Spirit, they will do everything they can to get their mind in a place where it honors God. So I don't know if you want to add to the weakness and wickedness thing, but I know a lot of people.
I wish we could. I wish we had this little prompter on our foreheads that walked around that would tell us fake or real, you know, genuine, not genuine, because that would save us a lot of pain from being around for the past.
I've dealt with a lot of pastors who've had a moral mess up. A lot. A lot. I don't even know how many anymore. Okay, there's some of these guys that are devastated. They are devastated at themselves, at the way that they treated their God, the way they feel, like they've mocked their calling. They're devastated. Help me, Pastor. Whatever I have to submit, whatever I have to do, whatever I have to change, I'm not holding on to anything until this weakness in my life is destroyed. Will you cover me? Will you help me? And they have an unconditional surrender to this process of restoration. Then I got these other guys I deal with. They're sorry they got caught.
Right? Right.
They're sorry all this is happening. And they still. I find out they still got this game going on.
It's like an undercurrent still.
So what they've done is they've taken it underground. They've taken it underground, and they have every intention on continuing those patterns. And they're only coming to me to pacify me so that they can keep their situation. Those are what I'm talking about when you're talking about weakness. And it's all posture of the heart, which I don't have the ability. I have the ability to discern, but I don't have the ability to see. And the Bible says God looks at the heart, the Posture of heart. So the first thing is, can I live right? Every one of us are going to have places in our life that are a mess. But if your posture. Before God, even Jesus talked about this. Jesus said there was a man who stood upon a mountain and said, God, I'm glad I'm not like all the others. And then he said there was another man that beat his chest and said, God, forgive me and have mercy on me, a sinner. And he said, which one do you believe? Please, God? The Pharisee who stood up there and said, I've got all my behavior in order. That was almost an abomination to God. He said, but the guy who beat his chest, I know it's not right. And I'm standing here asking for mercy until it shifts. It's the heart posture toward God. I want to ask you something. This ain't a sermon, but are you. It's not. Are you going to do wrong? We all join you in doing wrong.
Yes, we all.
It's. Are you sorry for it? Yeah. Does it bother you?
It's not. Yeah. It's like you have these two tracks. You have this group of people who get saved and they just keep living the way they've always lived and intend.
On continuing to, right?
And they think just because of grace, we get to do whatever we want. But then this other track, people who get saved hate their sin. Do they still slip up and do it? Yeah, but they hate it. That's the difference.
That's where I believe God is pleased. Not with people that get it all right because they don't exist. I've always told people, your enemy, really, it's really not Satan. The Bible makes it clear. God has defeated the forces of darkness. Our enemy is our flesh. Our enemy is the proclivities, the curses, the strongholds, the hangups inside of us that life has caused and that come out of generations of sin in our family and other things. These are the things we wrestle with all the time. Let's talk about them next.
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We wrestle with the stuff that's in us. The Bible says it's not what goes in us that defiles us, comes out of us. It's what comes out which it can't come out of you.
It's not in there.
Unless it was already in there. So, honestly, the things that can screw up Ron's life is already inside of Ron. I would like to talk about some practical aspects of Ron. I just can't seem to turn this around. What are some practical aspects in the second part of this podcast that we can do? You don't need to go away. You need to hang around for this because it's simple, but it's life changing. And I know this not because I got it out of a book or off a YouTube clip. These are some of the things I did.
What is it? Duct tape. If we could just walk around with duct tape on our mouth, maybe we could.
First thing you need to do is shut our mouths. Okay, let's say, Ron, I did it again. I screwed up again. I failed big time. And now I got a deep hole to crawl out of. And I said I wasn't ever going to do it again. Okay, let's say you're there. First thing is, who were you with when you did it?
Yeah, associations.
Who were you with? It is almost impossible to sin in a vacuum.
Yeah. You know, even AA says that it's people, places and things. That's our triggers. That's where we mess up. That's where we stumble. It's people, places and things.
I didn't know AA said that. You're taking some of my thunder away from my points. Who are you with? I've always told my son, you know, who struggled with substance abuse, our oldest. We've talked about his testimony at length. I used to always say, you know what, son, if I can get you away from them, it will probably go away because it is always associated with them. There is usually a group that brings out the best in you. That's your spirit. There's usually a group that brings out the worst in you. That's your flesh. Jesus walked in Mary and Martha's house. Martha was appealing to his flesh. Mary was appealing to the deity, the God in him. And he said, mary has chosen the greater portion. You have got to surround yourself with people who pull out the right portion.
Yes, absolutely.
Because you got a side to you that can take it down the tube and get ugly. You got to decide. You got a side you that can do great things.
Yeah. But your flesh is not going to like that. When you hear that, you say, oh, that sounds good. It sounds practical.
But you're living.
Yeah. For your flesh. How many years and doing the same thing. How many years, how long with the same people? It's going to take a lot of discipline, a lot of good guts, and it's going to hurt at first. It's going to be painful, and you're not going to like it. Your flesh is going to be like screaming, I want to go out. I want to do this. But it's just like trying to lose weight. You know, my flesh wants French fries and chocolate.
You know, there's this. This is not original of me. I've seen it posted. Usually it has to do with fitness. Instagram post. You know, they say being sick is hard. Being healthy is hard.
Choose your hard.
Being fat is hard. Losing weight is hard. Then they say, well, choose your hard. Okay. You hate these circumstances that keep popping up in your life because they're hard, but you hate change because it's hard. Well, choose your hard. Okay. Does that mean I'm not going to go to heaven? No, you're saved. But it means you might live in hell here.
That's true.
And so there is a life that God blesses. There's a life that he does not. And you want the life he blesses. So whatever activities are happening, check the group of people. I guarantee you there's a pattern. There's somebody or there's a group of people that are around the majority of the time when this behavior takes place. Number two, Environments. Environments.
Places.
There are just places I don't need to be around. There are just places that I do not need to go. Do you see what I'm talking about? So along with the people, you've got environments. There are. There are environments that will pull out your church dance, and there's environments that make you drop it. Like, you hot.
Like you hot?
Yeah.
Like it's hot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I mean, and it's the same person, two different environments.
Right.
So you've got to be able to learn that whenever I get in this setting, whenever I get in this environment, this usually happens. Let's just get real raw and relevant here. You keep crawling out of bed and you look over and he's a bum. Well, go back through your night. Who were you with? Where were you at? And there's a pattern there because certain kind of people hang out in certain kind of places. And so I've always said it is impossible hope to find the right person in the wrong place.
Married people don't need to go out on at singles night.
No.
At the bar.
No.
Something.
People don't like that and I don't care. There's nothing good that's going to come out of that.
No.
Because by virtue of being in the crowd, you're going to want to have the license to do what they can do and you cannot.
This is not hard because you have.
A different level of responsibility. But you know what? It's not as simple anymore as what we think it is. It's cut and dry to us. People blur these lines and make them very complicated today. Another thing, let me say, let's say, let's go further. Let's say it's marriage. Let's say it's something like that and you want to be restored. Let's go deeper. Let me go back to number three. What people are you with? What environments were you in? Number three? Own it. Own it. This is wrong.
Right? Right is right.
I have somebody wrong is wrong that. You know, a while back I had to confront Stern. An out of control sin going on in their life and they justified every possible. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. They were trying to talk me in a circle in the all way around believing that this was the best for them. Right.
Blamed everybody.
Totally and completely deceived.
The reason I am the way I am is they did this to me.
Totally and completely deceived. That they've made right wrong and wrong right. And the Bible says woe to them who call right wrong.
He said it.
And wrong right woe. You don't want to be on the other side of God's woe. And he said woe unto them. And so on the sin I've committed this sin, I'm doing it and I'm the problem. Then if you can't handle it by yourself, I call it the unconditional submission to a mentor with stress being on the word unconditional people don't like that, though. No, no, no, no, no.
They don't want. Can't nobody tell me nothing.
You know what? Because you can't restore yourself, nobody wants.
To be told what to do.
If you've broken trust, if you can't be trusted, if you've deceived, lied, whatever, you have ruined your name. Your name no longer means anything. So what do you do? You have to submit to another name.
So, good.
And then the person who restores you, when they say, all right, they're ready for marriage again, they're ready for ministry again, they're ready to go back into whatever. They're ready, then what happens is you operate in their name until you rebuild your name. Because you can't say, I'm ready. Somebody else has to say, they've done everything I've asked them to do. I have seen the process of change. I've seen them submit to the hard things that I've asked. And now I validate that it's time to give them another chance. And then in their name, you get an opportunity to reestablish your name.
Okay, Yes, I think the deal. Can I live right? Can I really live right? There is such a struggle because we think we have to be perfect to be a Christian, to bear the name Christian. I've even had people say, well, I'm not going to do it unless I can do it right. I'm not going to do it because I don't want to be a hypocrite.
And I'm that guy.
But it kind of makes me shake my head, like, so, do you think you're never going to stumble by giving your life to Jesus? Do you think really, that you're going to reach this plane called there to where you glow in the dark and you never make a mistake? So you're not going to do it at all? No. It's the question, can I live right? Absolutely. Because there is a track called upward. There is no track called perfect. There is a track called upward. That's the course we're on. When we fall down, we get back up again, and we keep going upward.
They want to know where you're getting at, forgetting those things which are behind. I press toward the upward call. That's why I've always said, too, there's no place called there. There's only a place called upward.
So when you fall, what do you do? You get back up.
You get back up again. A righteous man. A righteous man, seven times, but he gets back up. He gets back up again.
That's what makes him righteous, right? Is that he gets back up.
Now, I think that's what I'm trying to say, because that's a heart posture. A heart posture is I screwed up. I'm coming to repentance. Let me tell you the thing about David. David was a man after God's own heart and committed some atrocious sins. I mean, a lot. I don't know that there's a pecking order in sin. I can't. I can't prove that biblically, but, I.
Mean, I think he did them all.
There was some stuff where he really came off the rails. Yeah, but the Bible always says he was quick to repent. He was quick. It's not that God doesn't expect you to do wrong. It's your heart. Oh, man, I shouldn't have done that. I said that. And immediately, as soon as I said it, I could tell God I shouldn't have said that about that person. And, Lord, I'm just asking youg to forgive me and ruin my heart. And if I need to go apologize to Him, I'll apologize. That's. That's what pleases God, A repentant heart. God all over in the Bible, always repent. Well, we wouldn't have to repent if we weren't screwing up. But he just keeps calling us back to repentance. Have the kind of heart that you're sensitive to, the fact you just messed up and you come back as quickly as possible whenever you get comfortable with it, that's when. That's not good. The prodigal son left the father's house. His life spiraled down. The prodigal son has been used as a salvation altar call. It's not somebody who's never known God coming to God.
Right.
It's somebody who's been in the house, who left the house.
Right.
He was a son.
Yeah, He. Straight away.
He was a son who left the house. When he left the house. What does that mean? He let his flesh run wild. Well, that takes him to a pig pen. And the Bible says he was filling his stomach with the pods that the pigs ate. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me one time and said, when you can eat things that should make you sick, you know you're in a bad place.
So good.
There comes a time where you don't live perfectly. But I do believe there's a place where your life. Your life honors God more than it dishonors you.
Yes.
Is that fair?
Yes. Absolutely.
Is that fair?
And it's your desire. It's your heart, it's your passion to.
Please God and the place of dishonor where you dishonor God. You don't sit there and keep eating it and thinking it's all right. You understand? This is an area of my life that dishonors God. And you're making no provisions for that in your life. You're trying to starve it. You're trying to starve that craving until it changes.
Ron, I want us to pray for people who say, you know, this podcast has really helped me. It's opened my eyes. I'm over here feeling like a second class citizen. The enemy has shamed me and kept me from going back to church, kept me from opening the Bible because of a sin. I've fallen, I've messed up, but I'm stuck.
I'm going to do that. Let me, baby. Who's the lady? Who's your friend and you did a podcast or two with her who come out of the porn industry. I can't think here. We are going to leave everybody hanging. What?
That is Brittany delamora.
Brittany delamora. This just came up in my head. Why in the world she came up? I don't know. For people who say I can't overcome it. I remember her sitting there saying she lived 24 hours a day overcome with lust. She said that on the podcast. She said I was eat up with lust. She said I would not. I remember saying I would not have been able to sit in church and watch a man preach.
Right.
She said I would have been filled with lust. Now I'm talking about that's another level. And I've never seen a brighter set of eyes.
Yeah, precious eyes.
I've never seen the love of Jesus. Precious good. I mean, there is a twinkle in her that is inspirational. And God has done something so rich and deep. I don't know which one of our podcasts that were, but Go Back and Find Them.
It was early on.
It was early on. Go Back and Find Them season one. Because she has some things to say about how do you pull yourself out of those lifestyles which seem like they have you so captive? It can be done.
Yeah, it can.
It can be done. What Hope was saying the prodigal son, when he sinned, he said, I'm no longer worthy to be your son. Let me come back as a servant. That's a common feeling.
Yeah, it is.
The enemy wants you to feel like you can't come back in the same status, that you've got to take a back seat and be a Second class Christian because you screwed up. And the Father who represents God in that parable comes out and says, nonsense, put a ring on his finger, put sandals on his feet. My son, my son. Not my servant. My son who is lost is found. And so we need to understand God.
Celebrates us when we come back.
When you sin, you can come back to God. Your status with God doesn't change. You're still a son. When you sin as you were when you were not sinning, we've got to understand that the relationship with God, God has not changed it with us, but we need to go back and make it right with him.
That's right.
And so for those of you saying, I'm too far back and God won't accept me, go read. I think it's Luke 17. Go read about Luke 15 or Luke 17 about the prodigal son. And look what the Father did at his return. Let me tell you, you leave all that stuff up to the Father. All you got to do is return.
That's right.
The prodigal son did nothing but return.
And that's the enemy's job, to make you feel ashamed.
I can't. I can't go back. Yeah, I can.
Yeah, that's his job. So you just got to stand up and just tell him where to go.
Sin shames that the prodigal son. But you go always back. Genesis 1. Adam and Eve wouldn't hid. Sin shames. Sin shames.
Well, sin separates you.
Yeah, it separates you. You feel the shame of it and you feel like the that you can't go to God with that shame. But like the man who was in the tomb of Gederens, he ran to Jesus with his chains. Not from him. He ran to him. So whatever your chains are, run to him. Don't run from him. Father God, in the name of Jesus, I ask you now to let a whole host of people who think, ah, I did it again and I can't go back. I break that in their heart and in their mind. And I pray that the love of God would overwhelm and overshadow them in a mighty way and that you would draw them back to your presence and let them know that we're sin abound. Grace does so much more abound. Thank you for being merciful and gracious unto us. And I pray that this podcast will somehow call many to repentance in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Amen.
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