Ron + Hope: Unfiltered: Effective Communication

Foreign. Hello, everybody. It's Ron and Hope. Unfiltered, real, raw, relevant. Ronald, what are you doing?

You've been fussing at me because I got strangled right before he started.

Ron, you live. Strangled.

Strangled on the water. It went down the wrong pipe.

You say that every time.

No, I know. I've never said that on this show.

Not on this show, but period.

That's the first time they've ever seen me get strangled.

No, it's not.

It is. Ron, I'm about ready.

Turn your head and cough that way. Okay, I'm good for now.

I got it.

Okay. He said, I got it.

Go look at my messages. Years ago, I used to cough a lot. Now I never cough.

You do still cough.

No, not my messages.

Not as bad as you used to.

You listened to it a long time ago. It's totally different now. But anyway, we're talking about communication.

Yeah.

Tell them where you want to go.

Effective communication.

What does that mean?

Communication that works in your marriage where you understand where this. I'm saying something. You get it, you receive it, you understand it, you don't judge it.

There's a lot of dynamics to communication, though, especially between men and women.

Especially men and women.

Guys, you all need to hang around. This is going to be good. She's got a lot.

The lack of communication, bad communication can make or break a relationship.

Well, you said something right before this. It's unscripted, it's not planned. But you said something for it. You said proactive communication. I dare say a lot of people never even heard that phrase.

Right.

Proactive communication keeps you from reactive communication.

Right.

Reactive communication usually is never positive.

No.

Reactive is usually negative substance. And it is always high tension. Responding to communication that didn't take place or took place wrong. And so it's emotional, it's not logical, it's not reasonable. Because usually when you have reactive communication, somebody's upset.

Yeah.

And so I think it's very powerful, what you talked about. Proactive communication sets expectations.

It does.

What has Ron been saying for 20 years? 20 years or more. That disappointment is the child of false expectations. So if proactive communication can set expectations appropriately, there's a lot less disappointment in our lives.

It is. It is. I was doing marriage counseling this morning for a couple on our staff, and that's all we tackled, was communication. And most of the time in marriages, one person is way better than the other person in their verbal skills.

I think that's normal.

And that is normally the women, because we have more words in our tank, we can get highly emotional when we're communicating. And that immediately shuts a man down.

Does.

Because he is not going into an argument that he cannot win.

Yeah, let me. Let me.

And it's not about winning. That's not the goal of effective communication, is winning. It's understanding.

It's not even the goal of an argument.

No.

In our marriage conference, I teach people. I have a little session within a session. It's not a whole thing. Just 10 minutes, and I talk about how to argue. The goal. To argue is the goal to an argument is a solution. It's not to win.

That's right.

And if you go into an argument to win, you will never find a solution.

Right.

So there's a way to argue, you know, and when I say argue, we.

Did a whole podcast on that.

There's disagreements. You know, basically, I like to say that better than argue. And I don't. I don't like to ever argue with Hope because honestly, when I feel like me and hope are really sideways with each other, it affects me. You deal with that better than I do. You can pretty much go on with your day.

That is not true.

You can function. But, I mean, when I know I ain't done something right, or if I feel like you haven't done something right, it messes with me. It messes with my confidence. I just, you know, how can any two walk?

We're not in unity.

Yeah. How can any two walk lest they agree? And, you know, you've talked about in the past. I can be overbearing about trying to get on the same page, in agreement, but it truly does destroy my confidence. If I feel like me and you are not right. And I don't know if other men are that sensitive to that. I am. I'm very sensitive to that part of our relationship.

And I'm glad you are.

Let's just talk about some of the dynamics of communication overall.

Well, I was telling them this morning, I said the basis, the baseline of good, healthy communication, not just communication, but good, healthy, productive communication, is trust. Because I'm not gonna be open and honest with you if I don't trust that it's gonna be received. If I don't trust that you're gonna hear me, if I don't feel like that you get me or you want the best for this relationship, I'm gonna.

Withhold one to ten. Where am I on that?

Oh, a ten. No, you're a ten. Yes, you are. You're a ten. I trust you implicitly. And this is the baseline of trust. Is character. If you are not a person of character, how can I trust you? I mean, if. How can I trust you to communicate with you if I think you lose your temper easily or you're going to lash out hurtful things to me, call you names, call me names, or bring up the past or label me or, you know, that's not a person of character. And so I was telling them in the counseling this morning. I said, how do you know what a person of character is? I said, you need to go to the word of God and see what God's characteristics are. He's faithful. He's just. He's true. He's not a liar. I said, and those are the characteristics that we are supposed to. To strive toward us in our Christlikeness.

He's not easily angered. He takes no offense. All of those things which are a part of communication. Also, I would go to the parallel word of character, which is integrity, which means integrated, which means I do what I say, I say what I do. I do what I believe, I believe what I say. My belief, my word, and my do change. Yeah, my belief, my word, and my dog are integrated. So if I'm telling you I'm going to do something, or if I'm telling Hope, I believe something, Hope knows. All three of those are going to line up.

That's right.

If I tell Hope, Lord Hope, I want us to concentrate the next six months at paying off our credit card debt.

I know that you're going to do that.

Hope knows. I believe it. Hope knows I say it. And then Hope knows that you're going.

To do whatever it takes.

We're not doing that this month. How much money do you need for us to get that one knocked out? Yeah, you know, I'm going to do what I do. And so that is the part of integrity and character that is the baseline of all trust. And there is nothing worse than having to be in a relationship and depend on somebody you don't trust.

That's right.

That is the most vulnerable.

So it makes you 100% want to withhold information. So you withhold it because you don't trust that they're gonna do what they say they're gonna do with it or that they'll follow through with the decision you made. So you just kind of shut down. Honest to goodness, you shut down and you say, I'll just do it myself. I'm gonna. This part of my life's gonna be this. I'm gonna do the money. He's not gonna know what's Happening with the money. Or he's gonna say, you know, I'm gonna be the one to do whatever, whatever. Because I don't trust her reaction when I bring this to her.

I would say this going back to this phrase you came up with. I ain't never heard it before. Proactive communication. I like that. I don't know if you read it in the book or if it's yours. Proactive communication minimizes surprises.

Does.

Do you want to go there? We're saying we're real wrong. Can we talk about how we proactively communicate?

Yeah.

I don't throw you. I don't throw you many surprises. And I'm not talking about birthday or a surprise trip or a gift. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about we do what we do together. I know every marriage don't function like that, but everything Ron and Hope do, we do it together. Our name is on everything together. There is no part of our life that we don't do together. So the fact is, if, like yesterday you stayed at home and you wrote in your new book all day, you had to commit your day to focusing on that book. I was here all day having meetings all day. So when we get back and have dinner, I can't go through everything. But I try to brief you on the things and the decisions that were made that day that would pertain to you.

Right? That would be important to me.

Yes. Because I don't want to come back around. And when did y' all do that? Why didn't you tell me?

And that's happened many times in the past.

Lauren. I look like a fool standing there. And they were talking about so and so and so. And you hadn't said a word about this.

Yep. And let's be honest.

How am I so good at telling you that? Because that has happened many times.

Yes, many times. And I mean, years past, if I wasn't at the office for whatever particular reason and they had an executive meeting and things were decided and somebody was. Because you were a mom or something.

Somebody had a field trip and you went on it.

So that frustrated me that, you know, to be an integral part of the ministry and not know what's going on, decisions were made that I didn't know even needed to be made. So we had to alter. We had to adjust. It makes your job harder.

It makes my job harder because I'm talked out by the time I get home. But I had to realize if I'm talked out. But there were many of those meetings that involved Hope and Hope things and things that Hope is responsible for and in charge of that if I don't come home and communicate, it's just a little while before a train wreck is.

Going to happen, right?

So you know what? You discipline yourself even when you don't feel. You can kind of tell when I've had it. I'm sitting there at the table and I'm kind of, but baby, this happened today and this happened and I know you'd want to know this. And I went ahead and made a decision on this. I hope you don't mind. I can change it if you want me to. Those are the kind of conversations we have empty nesters over dinner to try to be proactive, to head off a fight or an egg.

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Thick hair does not run in my family. And I just finished my second bottle. Yeah, second bottle of neutrophil. So when I sit here and tell you that I am a client myself. So anyway, let me go into this before you go into when it was harder because that's fair. We probably have a lot. Our statistics show us we have a lot of younger listeners. Our analytics, excuse me, show us that. So I do want to hit people who still got a three year old running around in the background because we're not there anymore. But in the marriage conference, you know, in the marriage conference sometime I'll get little five minute excerpts out of the marriage conference. Men and women are so different in the way they communicate.

It's so true.

It's.

And it's not one bad.

Yeah. It has nothing to do with it.

We're just different.

It's just different. Now I want you to write this down or take notes. Okay. Men usually think first feel and then do. We think first. We feel it and then we go do something. We take action. Women usually feel, do then think and then think. Okay? So if we go into an argument, I'm going to tell Hope what I think about it and I'm immediately probably, if it's a tense subject, not going to get a logical response. She's going to tell me passionately how she feels about it. Okay. I have got to understand that this thing hits her emotionally as a woman first. She's got to understand I can't go act out of my emotion. We got to sit down and at some point or another we got to both think. No matter where think falls on the protocol with her. No matter where it falls on the protocol with me. We've got think our way through this and we got to come up with a solution. But you got to know somebody say, well, we're different at our house. He does that for the most part.

Right.

That's the way men and women are built. Now, Hope, what about when you communicate and men's communication, A man's communication is usually somewhat simplistic in nature. When he says yeah, he kind of means yeah. When he says no, he kind of means no. You know, sometimes there's not a lot of depth. Sometimes there's not a lot of detail. Sometimes communication tends to be broad. How was your day? Good, you know. Do you like this? Yeah. You know, and the woman's wanting the details. The woman let me. I want inside of you. Let me know. But the woman can say no and it don't mean no.

Well, because let me tell you why. Because we are that emotional. We are the chatty box. We are the flitting around, talking, laughing, wanting to pour everything out at once. And if we haven't gotten a response or if we're upset with you for something, anytime we go to the responding like you guys do, like the. No. Okay, that ain't real. No, something's wrong.

Yeah. When you start doing that in your.

Life when we're not normal, our normal selves, and we're like, yeah, I don't care, whatever you want. That is not true. But that's because we're upset with you. We're offended at you. You've hurt our feelings. Something is wrong.

When I can come near you and you somehow can keep your hands off me, I know something's wrong.

Dear Lord in heaven.

So that's when I immediately sit down for a talk.

Oh, my God.

Because I know normally if I come anywhere around you, it's just octopus hands, right? I mean, it's. And that's my life. That's my life. That's my life. That's the way we live.

Oh, okay.

And. But there's sacrifices you make. It is to be in a relationship, and I have to deal with the hands and the touch all the time. So I'm. You know, I do know that if your answers are short, yes, something's wrong with, oh, yeah, something's wrong, you done.

Pissed me off somewhere or another, you.

Know, so if a woman says, okay, let me give you this example, honey, our anniversary is coming up, anything special you want to do? Okay, no, that's not.

Well, you know why we answered no? Because we had wanted you to already have it planned.

Proactive.

Proactive. Instead of you want. Like. Like, why would you ask me that? Of course it's our anniversary, you knucklehead. You knew we should be doing something. So why are you asking?

Are you sure you said no and stuff like that? That no is not no. Okay? That no is not no. And you got to understand the language that is being spoken out there and be able to interpret it. And I think that's one thing about communication. Hope is. I'm not trying to defend men here, but I've heard a lot of women. I've heard a lot of women say, you know, he just don't get it. He just don't get it. And I look at him and say, no, he don't. He don't get it. Because sometimes the language of a woman is undiscernable to a man because of his simplicity. When you hear men go to a ball game and they've got their six pack of beer and they got their hot dogs and they're off at the NFL ball game, the conversation does not rise above about age 8. Okay. You can. You can let the girls go out and have Mexican food together. They have solved the world.

Yeah.

By the time they got there, they have fixed everything.

Because we can just.

Two totally different types of conversation here. What would you say to that? In the home, especially of more newly married couples discerning one another?

Okay, I know it's a hard question. The Bible says, live with her according to knowledge.

That's a hard scripture.

It is.

That's a hard scripture.

So you've got to understand the nature of a woman, men. And that is your responsibility as a Christian man. If you're a Christian man in the head of your house, you need to understand the nature of a woman. Like you said, there's not much to understand about men. Y' all want to be fed, y' all want to be touched, and that's about it.

We like sex.

That's what I mean. You like sex. I just wanted to say it in PG form. You want to be touched.

This is not a PG forum.

It's raw. It's unfiltered, isn't it?

Yep.

But this is what I told the about to be newly married couple this morning in counseling session. I said, if you will do these three things right here, I said this, this is all proactive communication that will help you to avoid the reactive arguments that come up. Because you did not have proactive conversation. Number one, it's proactive. And I said, me and Ron will do this. We'll go on a couple of times a year, two or three day trips, and we talk and we discuss. And we talk about finances and we talk about. I mean, before we got married, we talked about children and how many we wanted to have. All the time.

All the time.

And what we wanted to do with our money and what. How we wanted to operate in our budget. And yes, you're better. You're better at. I was a spender at first. Well, maybe still. And. But. So Ron didn't want to do the bills, though. He. He wanted to have control over it, but he didn't want to do them.

I wanted to set the vision. I wanted you to execute it.

Right. So this, for us, that's how it works, is that I pay the bills, but you still want to have knowledge and of what's going on in your.

This goes here this goes here.

Absolutely.

We're investing this, we're saving this. These are the bills. I got the vision of it. But now how you've got that stuff online. Yes, I'm clueless.

Proactive conversations about, okay, Ron. Ron goes to the gym four and five times a week, but there's never a time that he just strikes off and goes to the gym and stays gone three or four hours.

You don't have a clue where I am and I don't answer my phone.

No, Ron goes to the gym and I know he will be home between an hour and an hour and a 15 minutes from the. I mean, it's just already established that's.

The way it is.

There's no surprises. So if you will have those proactive conversations, big ones, broad ones, a couple of times a year, you know, what do we want to do this year with our finances? Are we wanting to save, Are we wanting to go on a big vacation this year? Okay. If we're wanting to go on a big vacation this year to Italy, okay, we've got to start in January. So, Ron, how are we going to do our money this year so that we can make this happen? These are all things that you talk about from the beginning. Then there's personal conversation. This is what Ron and I do every morning at coffee time. This is 30 to 60 minutes a day that you have to have for personal conversation. That takes it from the broad to the daily to what are we going to do today? What time you think you'll be home tonight?

And it is business oriented, but it also knows, it also sends you a message. I want to be intimately involved in.

The details of your life so that nothing's overlooked. Like, what's your day look like today? Are we going to cook today? Are we going to go out? You want me to meet you in Pleasanton or you want me to meet you in San Jose?

And then you say, he's reading all day. I'll cook. Baby doll, I don't want you to cook. You've been, you've been absolutely, you're, you're like mind numb all day long. Let me get you out, get you a different atmosphere. Sit outside and eat some more stuff.

And if you don't do that every day, you are not in touch with your spouse's emotional thermometer. You're just not. You can sit down and look at them in the eye every day. If you do this in the morning, at night, whenever you choose to do it, you know what's going on in their life. You know. You know when their demeanor changes. You know how they're feeling and what they're thinking. And you get into each other's heart. This is right there. That's that personal communication. And then the last one is intimate communication. That is five to 15 minutes a day. That need to be the snuggles, that need to be the hugging and kissing and flirting and laying your head on their shoulder, smacking your honey, smacking that tail. All those things that you do that are intimate. That's how you communicate when you look at them in the eye and say, I love you so much. Man, you look good today.

Let me tell them what I did this morning.

Oh, God.

Hope was aggravated with me because I woke her up twice last night.

Hope, why did you wake me up? You said. You said I was snoring like a freight train.

I didn't go there. Anyway, I didn't try to wake her up. Hope has this.

My tail was tired.

Yeah, Hope has this little thing. If you touch her, she'll quit snoring.

Why? Because you wake me up.

That's the weirdest thing. I mean, I can literally take my hand.

Oh, you touched me in the middle of the night and what? You told me not to wake up.

Anyway, it's not that drastic. But last night I woke her up, so we weren't having no arguing. But that was aggravating to her. When I wake her up, she don't like to be woke up. So I knew it this morning. And not being mean, but I could just tell she was aggravated. And so she's in there getting ready. Man, I could look at you all day. You started your hair. I said, you sure are pretty. Words are really not your love. Words are always powerful. Yes, but there's a difference between powerful and love language. I mean, yes, you want to be complimented. Everybody wants to be complimented. But you were getting ready to leave. And your bag is like a weapon, like 60 to 80 pounds. It's like carrying a barbell down the hall.

So she was in my bag.

She was leaving. Well, you got your computers and your books and your notebooks, but it is a very heavy. So I'm sitting there. You were leaving before me this morning, which don't happen a lot of times, but it did happen this morning. And you had all this stuff. And I was sitting there still enjoying my coffee. I wouldn't finish my coffee yet. And I looked and I saw you handle it. And I walked up to you and said, wait a minute. And I came. You tell me if I'm Right. And I took all that stuff out of your hands. I didn't say a word and I carried your stuff to the car. I felt like that disarmed you.

He was trying to get my forgiveness.

Okay. But no, you softened. You didn't soften when I said, well you sure are pretty. You didn't soften. But when I went and grabbed all your stuff, walked you to the car, unlocked your door, put the stuff in the trunk, this, that and other and I said please be careful, you changed. That is learned over a period of time. What is meaningful to you. That's non verbal communication.

It is.

I didn't say a word. I had been saying a word. It might have moved the needle a little bit because you, I think you cracked a joke with me. But when I went over and relieved your burden, I said something to you much stronger. You did talk about nonverbal communication.

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Well just here we are, we're going, we're going back right before we stopped and celebrated our guys and please check out Chime. If you hadn't done that. We're talking about nonverbal communication and how you know this is. I don't if you're 27 and you've been married three months, this is a journey.

It is a journey.

But I'm going to tell you I know me some hope. Been with you 33 years and dated you three years. I've been with you 36 years of my life.

That's a long time.

It really is. And no, it don't take 36 years to know. But you know, I know what speaks to you. I think I Know for the most part what touches you deeply and what moves you. And I think there needs to be a house full of non verbal communication sometimes.

Absolutely.

Which you're sending messages and you're saying things although you're not saying a thing.

Yeah. It makes me so mad to watch guys walk way out ahead of their wife or their girlfriend or, you know, just kind of, ooh, it makes sense. Mad them just like disregard her, get.

Out of the car and just start walking.

Right. And don't go help her get the kids out or go open the door for her. I mean, it speaks volumes, sending a message that there's no honor. And you have always consistently been so good about doing that.

Yeah. We've had many friends where I've looked at you and said, look at him.

Right.

It's all I can do to keep my mouth shut, not confront it because it bothers me so bad. And what hurts me is that level of disrespect is normal in that relationship. That is non verbal communication. Sending you a message that I'm going to take care of me.

We always hold hands when we get out of the car. No matter where we're walking, that's going.

To keep you right beside each other.

Yes. If we're walking to a restaurant, going to the bank, going to the mall, coming into church, you're going to come around to the car, get me out, and we're going to hold hands and walk in.

I remember I was frustrated in Italy because their sidewalks were this big and.

We couldn't hold hands and we had.

To walk one in front of the other. So I made you walk in front of me and I walked behind you. Kind of a good change up. It was a nice. It was a nice shift from the normal.

Oh, Ronald, Ronald, Ronald.

I think they know what we're talking about.

When I say no. None of them know anything, but we're talking about.

Okay.

Of course they know.

That's why the Lord made yoga pants, isn't it?

How did we drift so far?

Because you talked about holding hands. I'm talking about nonverbal communication. Now, when I get behind you like that, I do start saying stuff, don't I?

You do.

We can't say that on real raw and relevant, can we?

I hope you don't.

No.

Okay.

But I do say things.

But the key, one of the keys, Ron, one of the keys to a healthy, flourishing relationship is good communication. Okay? Good communication.

Talk to me about flirting.

You have taken this thing down a rabbit hole.

No, I'm talking about nonverbal communication.

Sexuality.

I'm not talking about sex.

Yes, you are.

Flirting. I flirted with you long before we had sex. Flirting. Does flirting stop once you get married?

It shouldn't.

Okay. What is something I do where you know I'm flirting with you?

You'll send me text messages. Emojis. You send emojis. I can't tell people what you send, but you send emojis. You'll lay things out at the house. Things you want me to wear.

I do do that.

Yeah.

And I do have pretty good fashion sense with you.

Oh, God, it's ridiculous.

Don't I?

You'll go get a pair of Aria our granddaughter shorts and lay them out on the bed and say, I need you to put these on.

Tell them what I did in stores. We were in Italy. We went in one store and I picked up this little pair of shorts. I said, do you have these? An extra small. And the woman busted out.

Yeah. That's flirting. That's flirting.

Isn't it fun, though?

It is fun.

It is fun.

But what. How do you feel when you do stuff like that and I'm mad?

How do you throw me? That's when it's funny.

No, it is not.

It is.

No. It makes me so angry how you flirt with me. How do I flirt with you.

Right now.

When I try to avoid you? You know, that's flirting.

When you dance.

Dance?

Yep.

Just like bebop around the house.

They cut the chill music on it around the house. And sometime I'll be sitting somewhere and if you ain't getting no attention.

No. It's usually in a funny way that I sneak around a corner and you'll just see me.

You'll get my attention. Yep.

I send you notes.

You do?

When you are. When you're traveling, they're the best. I'll do sticky notes and I'll put a pat them in your clothes. They're the best in your pockets.

You've even done that before. This has been a while back. You've even done that in my sermon notes. I preach off electronics now. I preach off an iPad. But when I used to literally have sermon notes, I would have, like five or six pages of notes, and I'd get like, number four. And you had written something even in my message. And I remember one time, in front of a packed house, I stopped and told everybody. I said, I just found a note and I read it. And everybody went, oh, that.

You know what the whole thing is? Everything we've talked about the whole 30 minutes is intentional. It's putting that person, their wants, their needs, their thoughts, their feelings first and making it a part of something that you think about, that you talk about, that you include them in. And I said, in the marriage counseling this morning, I said, I know it sounds like so much work. I said, but you don't do these things. I said, you're going to spend the same amount of time in marriage counseling.

Yeah, it's work and it's intentional at first, but now it's natural.

Right? It's just part of your life.

Yeah. It's not like when I did what I did this morning. That wasn't work.

That's who you are.

That's kind of what we do. That's kind of what we do. And, you know, it's. You always, you know, I do usually protein shakes in the morning, but very rarely do you fail to ask me, I'll cook you some breakfast if you want me to cook you something. And I normally say, babe, I'm just going to drink one of my protein drinks, but you asked me, do you want me to? And every once in a while I say, you know what? That would be good. But also, when we get home at night, this is all nonverbal communication. I'll go run your bath. I don't ask you. Don't ask me. I know when you've had a long day, you love to just go sit in that bathtub. And so I just go in there and start running it. And it ain't like I was trying to get brownie points. It ain't like you complimented me. It's just us talking all day without talking.

Yep.

And I love it, and it's precious to me, but I want people to know, man, it makes me feel like we've been together a long time and we don't get it all right? But I think we get it more right than we get it wrong.

Yeah. We've grown. And that's why I think these podcasts can be so powerful. I mean, this is gems of information that we have.

It really is. It sounds so practical, but I'm telling.

You, it's make or break.

We've seen train wrecks over the kind of stuff we're talking about right now.

So proactive communication, that's the main thing.

That was your phrase, intentional and proactive.

Yeah. Personal communication, nonverbal every day. That's the day. The intimate communication and the nonverbal, non verbal. And they all have to be learned and they all have to be practiced so that you can have an amazing marriage.

Well, we've been over a half hour talking to these folks about how to communicate. Let's see what they can do.

All right, let's go for it.

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All right. God bless you. Till next time, Ron and Hope unfiltered.