Ron + Hope: Unfiltered - Staying Pure While You Wait

Hello, everybody. Guess what time it is. Guess what time it is.

It's unfiltered time.

Yeah, it's unfiltered. With Ron and Hope. Ron and Hope. Unfiltered. Real raw, relevant. We are so excited to be with you today. Look at my sweet husband.

Haven't had a date in a really long time.

Well, that's your fault. You're supposed to ask me out.

You won't go anywhere. You tell. You be sleepy.

I just got back from the east coast, so my body is three hours ahead of yours right now. It's only been two nights since I've been back.

I make that trip every once in a while myself.

Yeah, and you're always crying about it when you get back.

Oh, I ain't either. On scars.

Yes, you ought to know. No, you're. I'm still on east coast time.

No, I don't do that. I go out on dates.

Oh, okay. You gonna take me out on one tonight?

Where you gonna go?

I don't know. Where you want to go?

The mall where you want to meet me?

Where you gonna pick me up? At my house?

What are we talking about? Because we're not going down the right road for what we're gonna talk about.

I just want to touch you and look at you like this. When we do introductions, I just get lost in your eyes.

Podcast not supposed to do that. What are we talking about?

We are talking about, are y' all ready? We're talking about how to stay pure while you're waiting.

Now, you know the first thing that's going through their minds? They're like, before you talk to me about this, they want to know if we did.

Yes. And guess what we did. Three and a half years. Ron Carpenter, Hope Healy stayed pure.

Now, my son is one of the people in here, and I know he don't want to be grossed out. Was it hard?

It was very difficult.

It was extremely difficult, yes. Extremely difficult, yes. I mean, difficult.

And we were together every single day.

In college of me and Hope going.

To college in this little bitty college.

Little college in a little town where you had to get very, very creative because it just. It would bore you to tears. There was nothing there to do.

There was nothing to do. So the only thing we told you was to go make out at night. He picked me up at 10 o' clock every night to go parking. Now, that is not a recipe to try to stay pure when you go parking.

So I'm going to preach against what I did. Yes, but y' all did it because you wanted to.

Oh, my God.

I was always uncomfortable with it.

Were you? Where are you now?

I was always uncomfortable. I can tell everybody is laughing because they know. They know.

They knew it was all me.

I was an introvert and I was shy and I was uncomfortable with it.

You were a red blooded American.

And then you would get. I'd want to go out like the Pizza Hut or something with the groups.

With groups.

No, let's. Let's go down here where we can, you know.

You wanted to court me at the dorm foyer where the house mother was there. Right.

That's where I met you.

Oh.

And I would get. And you would get in trouble if the house mother saw you trying to kiss me good night.

Oh, okay.

You remember that.

I'll take it. Miss Sexton.

Miss Sexton. I remember Miss Sexton.

She was the guard dog. She was like 80 years old.

She was standing there at the door and tell all the girls to come in. And Hope would be trying to get one last one in. And my lips was all right. I didn't have makeup all over my face and lipstick to my ear and everything else. And so she's sitting right there in front of the church mother wanting one more kiss. I was always uncomfortable with these things. But I do have a recipe for how you can keep yourself pure.

Ron Carpenter, you're about to get struck by holy Ghost lightning maybe.

I had a shirt with purity written on it.

Did you?

Yes. Oh, you don't remember that shirt I had?

No, I don't remember that one shirt you had.

Are we going to talk about this?

Yes, let's do it.

I don't want to talk about making out. I want to talk about purity.

You know, some people don't care about it, honestly. Some people do not even desire to be pure.

People don't realize this is unscripted. And we get out of here and talk out of our experience, out of 30 years, out of being where we are in this season of life. We got a lot to talk about. So this is totally unscripted. That is exactly where I was going. That's how you can tell. We've been married so long. I know it is. The fact is, number one, I'm concerned that we have a generation that is about convince themselves that there's nothing wrong with it.

Right.

Okay. It wasn't too long ago I had to confront this situation with a friend. And the friend, basically, after I confronted them about sex outside of marriage, they didn't say this, but this is basically what they're saying. Yeah, so what's the problem?

They were older, they were like in their 30s. And they were like, so what's the big deal? They're 30 something years old. Like that matters.

And I remember, if you remember, when I come home, I. Much of that troubled me because out of my generation, that would have been met with much sorrow, with repentance, with a sense of conviction, and honestly, until repented, of a sense of guilt, because godly sorrow leads to repentance. But you, you can't ever repent if you're not sorry, right? And what I'm seeing now is people really ain't sorry. So there's repentance.

I think it's natural.

Repentance.

It is natural.

Yeah, the desire is natural.

The desire is natural. So they think because it's natural that, you know, it should be okay.

Okay? But it's not okay to be. There are many different kinds of relationships. So number one, you've got to first of all embrace that sex of any kind outside of a marriage covenant is wrong. It's displeasing to God. You've got to embrace that. I don't care how you want to read a scripture, I don't care what Greek words you try to pull out of it. It is what it is. And it hasn't changed with the times. And God is not subject to pop culture. It is a constant. Heaven and earth will pass away. The word of the Lord will remain. The Bible says the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life, it fades. It fades. But he who does the will of God abides forever. So you got to understand, if we give our life to these fleeting desires, that they'll always be the next time you need to go to the next level to try to keep the same excitement. Because the excitement of what you just did fades. So I got to go do something else. And it fades. And that's why people who open the door to pornography maybe just looking at something like what used to be a playboy, what they would call clean. Then all of a sudden, two years later, they find themselves saying, how in the world did I end looking at this stuff? Because the fact is, what you looked at faded, so you had to find something else. You need more and more and more faded, and you got to find something else. And it can be that way with a lot of different things. Not just sin, anything. If it's not of God, the lust of it fades away. So there's a drive for more. But the first thing I felt like we had to do was just embrace the fact. Not the fact, the truth covenant that God only ordained that to be released within a certain relationship.

A marriage covenant.

A marriage covenant. Now, let's talk about what is happening right there. We talk about this a lot in our marriage conference. We're going to talk about what's happening that nobody tells you. And then I'm going to talk about what are some things you can put in place to try to remain sexually pure. That thing we do on sex at the marriage conference is brutal is not the word. But what is it? It's rough. It is because it turns into a deliverance. It turns into a little. Why? Because God made you. Let me teach you. Know how I love to teach?

Teach me.

Okay. God made you a receptor. As you are in the natural, so are you in the spirit. You have been physiologically built by God to receive, right? I have been physiologically built by God to release and to give. As it is in the natural, so is it in the spirit. The spirit in the natural. These things parallel. Now, having said that, the Bible says when a man is joined to a woman, he becomes one with her in spirit. It did not say he becomes one with her in spirit. When they go down and the judge marries them and they get a marriage certificate, it says when you join yourself to someone, you become one in spirit. That's where we get the word soul ties. What we don't understand and what nobody tells you. It is not just your body. It is not just biological pleasure. It is not just a physiological experience. When you have had sex with somebody, you have become one with them internally.

With their soul.

Yeah, internally.

What is the soul?

Yeah, you have built yourself. It's the mind, the will and the emotions. And your emotions, what have you done? You've become fragmented. So you get up after six sex partners over the course of however much time, high school, college, whatever. And so you get up in front of somebody that you want to marry and say, I give myself to you. Well, you don't have yourself to give.

Because you've already given it away.

Because there's parts of you that other people own. Because when you joined, you tied yourself together with them. And then that soul tie always has the ability to pull back, to pull back, to Yankee back. And that's why people get out of something for a little while. But the Bible says the dog returns to its vomit. So in other words, there's something there that treats you like a bungee cord. It'll let you go to a revival. It'll let you have A few good services. It'll let somebody prophesy over you, and then you get started on your way and pop. It'll yank you right back in.

So are you saying that the person. This could be the person who is in a relationship, they're engaged, wanting to get married to this person, but they think about this other person or they're with them, and it reminds them of this old boyfriend or girlfriend they were with. Think about it.

They have dreams or whatever, comparison, fantasy. All these things are happening.

So that's an indication there are soul ties.

There's an indication that you are not. You don't have all of you back together to give away. Let's get real vulnerable right here. I wouldn't plan on this, but it just came to my mind. So I'm believing I'm being led by the spirit of God right now. Most of the world knows you and I were separated for a while around 2012, 2013. Somewhere in there. 2013. And it was public. And we had to go through a journey to put things back together with us, with our family, and to re Earn people's trust in the kingdom. And you and I went through counseling with a clinician, but also with somebody highly spiritual and highly prophetic. And we come to the knowledge that we had never broken any of the soul ties from previous relationships before we met. I think when me and you met, you were Holy Ghost girl and I was preacher boy. And so there was a lot about each other that we just didn't disclose because, you know, that's not a part of it anymore. I'm going on. It's under the blood and all that. And so we didn't disclose it. And then things start coming apart in the fabric of the marriage. And I know I didn't know why it was happening. And if I probably would have asked you, I don't know that you would have known why it was happening. But things were coming apart. We both went through this session where we were led through renouncing those soul ties. And I remember the first time that you and I became intimate after that, after that experience of breaking those soul ties. I remember me and you both had something that we didn't even know how to describe that happened inside of us. It didn't happen to our body. It wasn't a part of the sex act. Biologically.

It was in your heart, emotions.

And I remember literally getting on my side of the room and kind of looking at the wall and like, I wonder if that happened to her or what happened to me. We Were actually like, I'm not sure.

Oh, my God. What in the world?

Something just happened right there.

I've been with him X amount of years, and this has never happened.

This has never happened. And you told me. We came back together and talked later on because I brought it up. I said, did anything? And you're like, oh, my goodness. Yes. And you were sitting there on the other side of the bed. Yeah. The same thing. Wondering if it had happened. That was supposed to have happened our honeymoon night.

Yeah.

There was supposed to be. There was supposed to be an explosion of what was two, what was. Adam was one. God pulled Eve out of his side. And then sex was the time where the two become one again. That's why sex is so powerful, because it was what was formerly one. It was put in two parts. Now it comes back together. When you and I came together, and what God has joined, let no man put asunder. There was an explosion internally in my soul, in my spirit, man. That unfortunately only happened 20 years after we. After we had been married. Because nobody stood in my face and told me these things.

Nobody talks about this.

Nobody told. And we're sharing things right now. I mean, just getting up, telling y' all all that me and Hope had sex and sat on the side of the bed and wondered if the other person's feeling what we feel. I mean, nobody's really going to share you that information, but we promise to be real raw and relevant. But I got a passion for this because we did. We dated three and a half years, if I remember correctly. We were together every day. And it was very difficult because, let's just be honest. I'm not trying to be all slobbery and everything, but I was head over heels in love with you. You like me a good bit yourself. And it was all we could do to keep our hands off each other. So for them out there saying, number one, those soul ties can be broken. If I'm catching you too late, somebody says, pastor you a day or a year, a decade too late, they can all be broken. They were broken in us. Good news. And they can be broken. Yeah. This is not a sad story. This is great news. This is great news of the redeeming power of God. The power of Jesus is real. And the anointing destroys yokes and removes burdens. And what happened is you yolked yourself with somebody and the anointing has to break that.

Yeah. Let me stop here to say if you've ever dealt with any of this that we're talking about right now, you say, I've got problems in my marriage, I keep having problems in my relationships. And I just. There's just hurdles.

I just sustain one.

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We spent half our show talking about. This is what it does. This is what God says. Now let's talk about building in some safeguards. Most people try to get spiritual when they need to be more disciplined.

Oh, that's so good. So good.

What I'm going to tell you right now is very spiritual, but it's not spiritual at all. Okay, you say, what are you talking about? Let me just finish it and define that. This is going to mean stuff that you're going to have to do. And God will reward you for work. It's work.

It's work.

Okay? You don't go to the altar and you know, lord, keep me sexually pure. God built you as a sexual being. You have been built as a sexual being. God made you that way. But God also wanted you to have control, self control. These things don't lead you. You lead them. They don't dominate you. You dominate them. And you know where it's to be released and what relationship it's to be placed in. It is not to be placed with an acquaintance. It is not to Be placed with a one night stand. It's not to be placed with a fiance. Well, we're going to get married. We're going to get married. I can't tell you how many times.

I've heard it a hundred times. We're getting married anyway.

We're getting married anyway.

Let's be real, let's be raw, let's be relevant. I almost. I tried to talk you into that, didn't I?

I wasn't going to reveal you, but. Yes, you did.

It was a week before our marriage. It was a week. We were coming in, we were moving in our condo.

We were two states away from everybody.

And we had no safeguards around us. And I'm like, Ron, I'm going to.

Talk about that though you're exactly right. There were no safeguards.

We are getting married in one week, one week from today.

What I tell you? I said it'd be my luck.

He said, it'd be my luck you'd get pregnant. People would do the math and we'd be called. He said, and you know what Ron Carpenter said to me? No. No. And I so am thankful for that.

I didn't want to. I didn't want to. It ain't that I wanted you terribly. I didn't. It was that I didn't want to dishonor you. You know that old movie, Me and you Like a walk in the clouds.

Yep.

Where he was acting out a role to keep her from the wrath of her parents. And then they, they started falling in love and they almost became intimate. And he jumped up and said, no. He said, I'm not going to hurt you like that. I love that statement. Because if you really love them, you understand that's not the time nor the place for them. Yes. And so safeguards that right there almost happened because we broke all of our rules.

We did.

We broke all of our rules. Number one, whatever it is that can be a temptation to you, I call it, you put safeguards, you can call it accountability. I call it lines of separation. Lines of separation. I've got to put barriers between me and it. We laugh about it, but we did do mostly group dating.

We did.

We saw everybody, we saw each other every day. But we went on group dating. We were always. Some were in public, stuff like that. I mean, a big date was going to my house on the weekends or going to yours. So we put the safeguard of trying to always be around people. And secondly, it was a safeguard. Hope, you were the first girl in my life I'd ever prayed with. I'd never prayed with a girl in my life. It is very difficult to be sexually, spiritually intimate with somebody and then go be sexually intimate with them.

That's so true.

Very difficult.

We tried to make that be the foundation of our relationship, was our spiritual walk.

Yeah, we went to church together, we went to revivals together. We worshiped together, we sung together.

You preached.

I would sing, we preached. We'd throw our stuff in the car when I got through, and we'd go somewhere and you would do songs, and I would get up there and if you want to call it preaching, I would sing.

Y' all don't remember tracks?

We did that. We. We put. We put in. We. We put in spiritual safeguards. It is hard to do both simultaneously, because the true spirit of God.

Well, if you sow to the flesh.

You reap the corruption.

You reap it. If you sow to the spirit, life.

And peace and sex is not worth the loss of peace.

True.

So, Pete, to me, peace is the most precious commodity in the earth. To me, since I've had times where it's been taken from me, since I know what anxiety and all that feels like, panic attacks, and since I have experienced peace, to me, oh, peace is holy. It's like carrying a holy thing in your hand. And the Bible says, he who sows to his spirit, it's life, and it's peaceful. And so if I do things the right way, peace is a result of me making the right decisions. Another thing I used to do, I tell people we talked about this a little bit with Real Talk Kim last week. Another thing I used to do when I was trying to starve out the pornography that I had gotten myself into as a teenager, one of the things that I would do is that I would call hotels when I was going into a town to preach, and I would tell them to remove. Back then, it was a cable box. Remember the little cable box? I remember it well. And I would tell them, get it out of the room. Why? Well, I'm so disappointed in you, Pastor Ron. I thought you'd be free from all that stuff I tell people. Well, I don't know, because I'm going to try to never put myself in a position.

You've just got to know your weakness. You've got to know what your triggers are.

There is no time whatsoever at all. Hope can't pick up my phone and go through anything.

Vice versa.

Anytime. I mean, anytime. And there's no offense, and there's no why you doing that? There's no you don't trust me, pick it up and go through it. Why? Because a third thing that I want to talk about is I brought Hope into that accountability. So Hope became my accountability partner. And I didn't hide this weakness from her. I revealed it to her and she became a safeguard from it. She is till this day. And so lines of separation are really, really, really important. And also guarding your environment. You know, being up in the woods in the middle of the night by yourself in a locked car, versus being in the foyer of the girls dormitory where there's 80 people going on a.

Hike in the woods. Just you and your boyfriend.

Yeah.

I mean, you're probably setting yourself up for a while.

You're not asking for it, but you have removed a lot of barriers there. And the things that we put in place to go three years and never have intercourse that one weekend we almost did, we broke all of them. We broke all the rules.

It was flat.

Yep. The key was we were going to go up and get two hotel rooms, this and that and the other, and keep it holy. But the fact is we were moving all of our furniture into an apartment. We were hundreds of miles away from everybody. And it was a difficult time, actually.

We didn't even get hotel rooms. We stayed with the pastor.

Well, we were tempted because we had our place to just, let's stay right here. But I called the pastor. I realized this is not good. There's too much heat in the kitchen right here. And so the pastor, who we were going to. And it wasn't from beans. We were going to help him start a church. I called him and we drove an hour and a half.

Yeah, we did.

To his house and stayed with them here again, going above and beyond to try to put in safeguards. It's not that you're delivered. It's not. We didn't do it because we were delivered to everybody. Yeah.

It's not that we didn't want to do terribly.

It's the fact that we knew that if you remove certain things, then this is much more likely to happen. And we didn't want it to happen. We wanted to honor each other. We wanted to honor marriage and we wanted to honor our God.

Well, the deal with trying to stay pure, the desire's already there. But you have to have self control. That's the root, is self control. And self control only comes from. From it is a. It's a product of the fruit, of the spirit. Got to have the Holy Ghost. So you have to be full of the spirit.

Yeah.

I don't understand how people expect not to sin when you don't have anything on the inside of you pushing you to not sin. Right. It's hide God's word in your heart so that you don't sin.

We're not hiding God's word in our heart, though. We're hiding God's word in Google. People don't memorize the word of God anymore. Why would I do that? I can just hit Google. But Google's not your heart. Google is a computer bank.

Right.

And the fact is, I've got to hide his word in my heart that I might not sin. So in other words, we have the consciousness with us all the time. We don't want to do this.

And we were raised in holiness, too.

We were.

We thought we was going to go to hell. Straight to hell.

Yeah, but I believe. Yeah, but I believed in the power of forgiveness.

Yeah, we did. But we were scared to go to hell.

Yeah, I was scared to go to hell, but I was. That was. That may be part of it, but that wasn't the main part of it. The main part of it is I just. You knew how much I loved Jesus when you met me. Yes, I love Jesus.

We knew we were going into ministry. We wanted to be anointed. We wanted to please the Lord.

And those things were paramount and still are. They still are in our life. What are some things. I've been talking a whole lot. What's some things you remember that maybe we did right. To build in safeguards to make sure that those things cannot happen. Anything else you can think of? I just remember people. I remember environments. I remember lines of separation.

You wouldn't let me wear miniskirts.

You didn't have no miniskirts.

Just kidding.

I would have loved to have seen you in a miniskirt, but you wore down to your ankles back then. That was holiness.

I told you it was holiness. Or hell. Holiness or hell. No, we really did. We kept it at the forefront. We talked about it.

We talked about it.

It wasn't a subject that we did not talk about. We talked about it all the time. It was important to us that we were doing it right. And we put it on our priority list. This is something that we're not going to do. This is how we want our relationship to be. And we want to honor God. I think, you know, people don't want to talk about it. They want to broach the subject. And I think that is not a safeguard.

Yes, it. It's not hard, Hope. I mean, you know, you're 25 and you're over at your boyfriend's apartment at 4:00 in the morning. Come on, come on. Yeah, this ain't hard. Well, that was the devil. No, it's not the devil. You made a provision.

Yeah, make no provision.

That's where I was going to end. I don't know if you got anything, but I was going to end with that finale right there. The Bible says, make no provision for the flesh. It didn't say the devil. You're fighting your flesh.

Yeah, you're fighting your flesh.

Make no provision for the flesh. That means don't give opportunity because it says this for sin will seize every opportunity afforded it. Wow, that's a scary statement. That's a sobering statement. So sin just waiting. Even when, even when Cain killed Abel, God told Cain, he said, sin waits at the door for you. Sin waits at the door. It's waiting to see you crack the.

Window and it's going to jump right in.

So making no provision for the flesh. Everything that I've told you about people, about environments, about the right company, about accountability, about planning lines of separation and building safeguards, all this is about making sure that that doesn't have a chance. And the fact is, it doesn't mean you can't ever be alone, but it means I can be alone with you and operate in self control.

That's right.

That I can kiss you and not go too far, that I can look in your eyes, that I can feel all those deep, deep feelings of passion, but I don't have to fulfill them in a sexual manner. In fact, I think it's very healthy when you can share those feelings when sex is not involved. I believe that ties the knot really, really tight. And I believe had those things not have developed in us first, we would not have made it through some of the things that we made it through.

It's so true, so true.

Because we were yoked together in a lot of the healthy areas soulishly and spiritually before we ever came together physically. And a lot of people, they come together physically to try to make the decision if they want to go to the next level spiritually. And so we live in a generation that's got it backwards. That's not where you start.

It amazes me that these kids are meeting on Bumble and Tinder and all of that and going to just have.

Sex to a stranger and have no.

Idea the detriment they're doing to their.

Soul and knowing when that's over, they thought it was a one night stand. I Don't even know the guy's last name. I don't even know her name. Maybe it's funny. Maybe it becomes fodder at the next pajama party. I don't know. Next time you're at the club, you're talking and laughing about it. But the. The fact is, there's somebody you hooked up with 40 miles away has a part of you and has a part of you, and they have the ability to make that pull. That pull on you. Pull on what? Pull you out of the healthy stuff. Pulling you out of the healthy stuff. So we've been talking about.

It's not casual.

No, Never.

It's very, very serious. It's not casual.

It is the most.

It's very spiritual.

It's one of the greatest pleasures that God has given to male and female. But it is so powerful, he said, you can only put it in a relationship where vows have been made. That's how powerful sex is. Sex is so powerful, it only belongs within this tight framework. It's covenant of somebody who's saying, I love you for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, sickness and health. Sex is so powerful, it can only function there. And if you do not have that with somebody, then sex does not go there. Sex does not go there.

Goodness gracious.

So what do they do? Okay, so, Pastor Running. Hope, you've scared the crap out of me. I'm hyperventilating and I'm having panic attacks, you know, because I've slept with four people, whatever, or 14. You. You were in that ministry setting much longer than I was. You know, things I don't know. You experienced things. I didn't. What would you tell that young girl or that young boy right now who's had multiple sex partners and said, you know what? I think I found the one. But what you're telling me scares me.

I remember being at Living Waters Ministry, and we were going through soul ties. And, you know when you and I realized we'd never done that? So I was with Pastor Denise, and she sat down and she said, now I need you, she said, on your own. Sex partners you've had. I need you to write the name on a piece of paper and then write everything that had to do with them. Where you dated, where you went, how they made you feel. Was there any abuse? Was there anything. Did they give you any gifts? Is there anything that you think of when you think of them? I need all this written down. And then we had to go back and break every tie, because those are ties. When you think about them. Those are the ties to them, what you liked about them, what you didn't like. And then we just said, you know, I release every hold that this person had over me. Everywhere we went, I release every memory.

The teacher ask you, what did you get out of the relationship? You had to talk about that, every.

Aspect of the relationship. Then she said, do you still have anything that they ever gave you? Anything, A shirt, a card, stuffed animal, anything? She said, soul ties. Everything that tied you to them, that's what a soul. It tied you to them. If it's still in your possession, you're.

Tied to them because it creates a feeling.

Yes. So you have to throw all of it away. You have to burn it. You have to get rid of every bit of it. And then in prayer, Lord, Lord, I ask you to cut every tie that tied me to this person. I thank you, God, that I release them now into their life, separate from mine, into their destiny. My destiny is different. My destiny is in God. My destiny is with Ron Carpenter, those types of things. It has to be physically done. And it's a lot of work.

Yep, it is. And I, I got a message. I've never promoted anything of ours here on the podcast ever. But I just felt like I was supposed to do it. I got a message. For a while, the Necessity of the Enemy was the most sold CD we ever had. After that it became Mind World was the most. And now recently, it's Soul Ties. Isn't that something that in 32 years of preaching, the most asked for message I've ever had is one of Soul Ties. Soul Ties. And it's in the Vault. The Vault is my archive of preaching for 20, I mean, 32 years. It has a monthly subscription where you have access to everything that I've preached, even back the old cassette stuff. We've digitally remastered it. We've made a huge investment investment in it. And so it does have a subscription tied to it. Even if you don't want a month to month subscription, it's worth $9.

Yeah, 9 bucks.

Because I go into Soul Ties and I go into it in great time.

It's two cups of coffee.

Yeah, that's Starbucks twice. So it's worth $9 to just go get that teaching and listen to it. If you in any way feel like they're talking to me today, they're talking to me. I needed to hear this, so I wanted to let you know that that's available today. We skirted on it.

And my book, my book has. I mean, it's just really deep on how to get free from ties, from strongholds, from sin in your life.

Somebody that may not be familiar with saying my name.

My book is called the Most Beautiful Disaster. Just actually a couple of weeks ago was its anniversary. May 4th. Came out in 2021. It. You can get it, Kindle audiobook, a hardcover, paperback, book, anywhere books are sold.

Yours don't do as much with getting into it as it does coming out.

And I think that could benefit everybody because there's all something some. Every one of us needs to come out of.

Every one of us have come out of our past with stuff attached to us. And you can shake that stuff loose. This has been good.

I hope it's helped you.

Yeah, I hope it's helpful.

And I just want to pray for you right now. If you're listening to this and you say, man, I feel like a scumbag. I feel like I did. Yeah, just feel like crap because I feel like, you know, I've made so many wrong choices and given myself away to so many people who didn't deserve me and I didn't wait. And I just. I feel bad. I wish I could go back and have a redo. Well, you can, because God gave me and Ron a redo, too. We told you about the story. Everything in God is new. Everything in God is new. And I just want you not to beat yourself up, but just to come to God and say, lord, I need you to clean me. I want to be everything you've called me to be. I want to give myself fully to my spouse one day. Or you may be married now. Listening to this say, I've never given myself fully to my spouse. It can happen for you. I just. I want you to do the hard work and I want you to be released from shame and guilt because that is no way to live. And the life that God has for you is so much more than shame and guilt. You can be free. You can live free. And you can have a happy marriage and you can live pure. We love you so much. This is Ron and Hope. Unfiltered, real, raw relevance. Share this with your friends. Until next time.

This has been a good one. We'll see you.