The Power of Transfer | Ron + Hope: Unfiltered

Well, you know what? It's Ron and Hope Unfiltered, real, raw, and relevant. And it's not Ron by himself, but it's definitely Hope. And so I got Andrew with me today. I think most of you know, most of you guys who follow, uh, who followed us any amount of time know now we got Red Worship and Red Worship is a conglomeration of several of our worship leaders and some other people that have come together. And we have got our own record label now. And now some great things are happening. Andrew, y'all got a tour with CeCe Winans going on the end of this year. You know what? We could do a show about if you just keep pushing, it can happen because You know, there was a time where nobody had heard of Red Worship and nobody probably cared. And then right around or after COVID, you came and then Lizzie came. And then we had Jonathan Stamper help fill in some time. Jonathan Traylor helped fill in on East Coast a good bit. Then Trinity got involved. And then a little bit later, we're like, you know what? We got some pieces here. Let's do something with this thing. And we pecked away and pecked away and pecked away at it and done some of our own tours. And now C.C. Winans asked them this year. So Andrew's a big part of that, and he is our resident praise and worship leader in charge of all that here on the West Coast. And we got Transfer coming up. I don't ever want my podcast to just be promotional, but I do, if I have something coming up, like a marriage conference, I may take some podcasts and slant it relationally or maritally. And transfer, I just want to talk a little bit about what's going on. Let's talk about last year, our expectations for this year. And I don't want you guys to go away if you want— if you're used to seeing me and Hope just kind of banter back and forth against each other. Hope is right now, as we speak, she has just finished up moving her mom and dad into an assisted living. That has not been easy. And we joke about it a lot because you have to laugh to keep from crying, but it has been an ordeal. And it's taken a little bit. Bit of a toll on her. She's on the East Coast. I'm doing this with Andrew on the West Coast right now. But finally, that part of the process is over and they are moved in and she just went and crashed. I think she went home yesterday and said she slept for 3 hours in the middle of the day. Wow. You know, felt like she'd almost been drugged. You know, she was so tired. But it's a lot. The paperwork's a lot. Absolutely. Dealing with your mom and dad who are very frail like that's a lot. Them losing their independence and not being happy is a lot. And then everybody who provides those services are very proud of their services and it's a lot of money. So it's been a lot going on for a while here. That's where Hope is. So I've invited Andrew in here today and we've got transfer coming up 3.5 weeks?

Pretty much, sounds about right. I don't have the calendar.

Yeah, I don't have a calendar either. It's about 3.5, first week of May. And last year, was kind of crazy. Let me first of all talk about the idea behind it and then I'll just let you kind of speak. My conferences, I've been doing conferences in the '90s. If you followed, I did Back to Acts. Back to Acts was a Book of Acts revival. Wow. You know, to take people back to those signs and wonders experiences. I guess that's kind of been a theme always through my ministry 'cause that was when I was in my 20s and we were already doing doing conferences and even though our buildings were smaller, packing them out. People were hungry for God. And then we went into the much larger conferences that brought in a lot of pastors and staff. And I think we called some of those Kingdom Momentum and 212 conferences, things like that. But we began to see something about 12 to 24 months ago where we were just are drawing a whole new generation. Yes, sir. I call it young millennials and Gen Z. And every generation has its positives and negatives. If you go way back, I'm an Xer. If you go back to Gen X, we got things we did well, we got things we stunk at. You can say that about millennials, you can say that about Gen Z, you can say it about baby boomers, you can say it about anybody. But one of the hallmarks, Andrew, of my ministry is multi-everything. Mm-hmm. The first thing we had to do was break the racial and cultural barrier in the '90s, and we broke it in the South. But then the next challenge was to break generational barriers, because I've noticed that not only do certain cultures like to go to church together, certain age groups like to go to church together.

Absolutely.

And looking back on it, I don't know that the generational one might not be just about as hard to break as the racial one. Because when I tell you that every generation has its own song, its own way that it approaches God, and its own way of doing church, that is an understatement. And to be able to get one generation to accept and embrace the way another generation approaches God is not an easy thing. I've lost a lot of people. When I took over Jubilee, I know I'm doing all the talking right now. I'm gonna let you respond.

[Speaker] That's great.

[Speaker] When I took over Jubilee in 2018 on the West Coast, a lot of those people had been with Dick Bernal for years and he was in his 70s and still going. So he's in his 80s now. He looks great. He's amazing. The church was no doubt older. I'd say 70, 80% of this church was 55 and up. That's a lot. They were givers, they were very supportive, and they loved their church. And even though I was 49, 50 when I took it over, in this room I looked like a teenager. So I remember I felt like I need to hit that hard. I came and I took the microphone And I didn't really preach my first Sunday here. I wanted to give me a shot. I'm not just about my generation. I'm not just about a younger generation. I'm about you too. And they didn't stay. They didn't stay. We lost almost all of them. I don't even remember them coming back and giving me a second week's chance. So I never even really got a chance to show them this is what— Ron Carpenter's about. And I think they just looked at me and said, the decibels are about to go up 20 decibels. This thing's about to shift into 5th gear overdrive. They gonna run 100 miles an hour and this is not a place for me. And some of that's true. I own some of that. But the fact is, I would've liked a chance to grab that older generation and let them know we can bring all these generations together and worship the same God in such a way where everybody's ministered to. And I think since then we've gotten some older people back in, but this is a very young church now. It's gone very, very young millennial and Gen Z in a mighty way. I'm grateful for that. But tell me a little bit about, you know, when we did transfer last year, The idea behind it was impartation. Right. That there are things one generation has that another generation needs, but the church has not set up these opportunities for that transfer to take place, thus the Transfer Conference. Right. Do you think we hit our mark last year?

I definitely think we planted a flag in the ground in that this is what we're moving toward, this is what we're doing. I do think based on what I saw in that room, over those few days, I definitely think we hit the mark for a lot of people. I do think there are still some who need that moment because we had so many conversations leading up to that, those 3 days, what it was going to look like, what it was going to be.

We really didn't know.

We had—

Right. We really didn't know what to expect.

Absolutely.

Because it was different than anything any of us had ever done.

And 90% of those conversations ended with, well, we'll see what happens. But I remember one thing you said. You said something to the effect of, the fact is there's something inside this younger generation.

There is.

There is something that needs to be called out, but only a father, only somebody who has been, loves and cares about you, but has that authority and has that seasoning to call that thing out. And I think you used the example, the biblical example. You said you can't have a Timothy without a Paul. Paul saw something in Timothy that was unlocked through his leadership and his transformation.

And he held him accountable till it came out. Absolutely. Held him accountable till it came out. Those are things we'll talk about in a minute, but go ahead.

And I do think we saw moments of that where, I mean, I know the moment that went absolutely, you know, we still talk about a year later, was after the podcast.

The podcast and when the power went out. Those were the two moments.

Right.

And those weren't even the main—

And that's weird.

Right.

We looked toward the worship service, the night sessions. It's gonna be this crazy, you know, moment. It was literally one of the daytime sessions, which we know conferences, daytime's a little bit smaller of a crowd, not as much energy behind it. But those two moments marked us because so many people were able to experience you. All you did was say, well, let's do it right now. And then somebody, I think it was Pastor Ty Tribbett on the organ, he's playing a little bit behind and the ministry began. You said it looked like a war zone with people laid out all over this room.

It's crazy.

Getting this ministry, getting this prayer. But I think a seed was planted in the atmosphere that all of the Timothys in the room said, I need that. And that's where when you say, did we hit the mark? I do because I think you made them aware. Myself too. I mean, I was laid out literally on this platform and I think it was because you had made it abundantly clear and the atmosphere spoke to, I have something inside of me that needs to be trans— something inside of me needs the transfer to take place for it to come to its fullest potential. I do think we hit that.

I've often told you guys when I talk to y'all, I've told you that my life is a mixture. And I use the word mixture. I just got through talking about how God hates mixture, but it is a mixture of very powerful men and women. Yes, sir. Who some of them were maybe fathers, others were mentors, others were acquaintances. They weren't all on the same, but stepped into my life at certain times and passed something to me. Tommy Barnett, who pastored the largest church in America back in the '80s and early '90s, came to my church when I had 300 people, believe it or not. He had like 22,000. And this was before all this internet stuff. And he poured mustard seed in my hand and he said, "There's a multiplication anointing on my life that," he said, "a man had passed to him." And he said, "I'm going to give that to you." And he put that seed in my hand. This is on video. And then he laid hands on us and prayed for us. And my life, the next week— Wow. —exploded. And the only thing that happened that I can attribute it to or tie it to was that. I didn't change anything else in my life. TV opened up immediately, which TV back then, you stood in line. That was not a door you could kick down. Right. There was just a couple of networks and there's people waiting in line to get on them. And that's just the way it was. TV opened up, building project opened up, went from hundreds to thousands, speaking engagements all over America and parts of the world. Just an explosion of my life changing radically. And one man laid his hands on me. I saw him a while back. He's about 87, 88 years old now. He's almost 90. And I saw him in a building a while back. And when I saw him, I rushed to the front after the service to go speak to him. And he looked at me and he knew exactly who I was because this was 35 years ago. Wow. That's crazy. And he said— put his hands on me, my shoulders. And he said, Ron. I said, yes, sir. He said— I hadn't seen him in decades. He said, the only regret I have is that I didn't believe God big enough. Jesus. I sat there and I'm like, this man has done everything. He built the Dream Center out there, son, Matthew Barnett. That's who this is. Yeah. In LA, just an amazing man. And my life accelerated because whether or not this is a part of people's theological teaching, He transferred something to me that was on his life. Yes, sir. Miles Monroe. We have the clip. I'm laying on the floor. He takes this coat. You know, he might have been 5'2" and I was 6'2". And he took this tiny coat off and he wrapped it around me and said, "May your—" He didn't say "may." He said, "Your revelation of the kingdom will be 1,000 times greater than mine." And you're talking about the greatest kingdom voice that had probably ever been on the planet since Biblical times. And then all of a sudden, I couldn't read the Bible without seeing the— I couldn't read Jesus wept and not see the kingdom. That's all I could see. I don't care what I read. It's all I could see. They laid hands on me. They gave— I caught something. What does your generation need to catch?

What don't they need to catch? It's probably a deeper question, but it's funny you're saying that.

Well, Stamper asked me that. You remember that?

I was literally just about to say that exact thing. When we turned—

Stamper's John Stamper. We just call him Stamper around here.

I remember Jonathan, I think he was sitting to my right and I will not forget that moment because you had just finished asking us, you know how you asked us a lot of questions in that podcast. This was moments before the breakout. But you had said something to the effect of, well, what do you feel like you need most from us? And then Stamper responded. He said, well, if I may respectfully, I would like to turn that question. And you said, don't do that to me. And you got a little misty-eyed because you knew, and this is the point I was trying to make with that is I think what was finally taking place is that you are making it known that we do need the laying on of hands. We still need the transferring because I think in the information age, everybody thinks they can get something by the click of a button, by the latest masterclass. It's just not true. I don't even need to go. It's just not true. And I'm not saying that not to do it. It has value.

Right. But there's not impartation in a computer click.

Absolutely. And you've said so many different things about seminary or not going to seminary and different things. Well, I have X degree or whatever, so I don't need all that. But the fact is you had made, at least for the people that were in the room and people that were watching online, you made it abundantly clear. A transfer is still needed. You can get all that other, all those other resources. But my, the biggest thing you just asked, what does our generation need transferred? Number one, I think it's an awareness because you just said you knew as a result of those laying on of hands, something has changed. Our generation needs to know that the laying on of hands is still necessary so something can change. I think the biggest thing is, Pastor, you've talked about how there was just an element of openness and hunger and desperation that your generation had. And we're seeing seeds of it spark up with revivals all over the country and different things taking place. But if there was one thing, you talked about it on Sunday, is you wanted this mixture problem and a little bit of this and a little bit of that. If there's one thing—

I want you to back up on that because everybody didn't hear that message. I've been laying what we used to call laying the wood. I've been shucking the corn, laying the wood, whatever you want to talk about. But it has been a very different kind of message. Getting rid of mixture, going to the threshing floor. Yes. Letting God separate the wheat and the chaff in your life. Pick up your cross and follow me. The second yes. All of that. I'm thinking about carrying some of these themes into my daytime session on transfer. I think it's needed. I don't know that it'll come out exactly like it did in the church, but to this generation while I've got 'em captive to speak along that lines. So talk about that, the mixture thing and how you think this may relate to some of that.

Well, I think the biggest thing is, like I said, where a lot of us, and I say us, I mean, I'm the tail end of millennials. And so I caught a little, catch a little bit of that Gen Z, you know, age era in that, but it's that I need to cut the mixture from my life. Everything around me shows, well, you can have a little bit of this and a little bit of that so long as you go to church on Sunday. You can have, I think you made the joke, you said, I have my church dance, then I have my club dance. And again, this is not in a legalistic, religious controlling spirit in which we're bringing this.

It's a maturing thing. Absolutely. It's maturing. We're not getting on people that have certain activities in their life that maybe they have just not grown to a place to realize yet, you know, that's probably not gonna bring value to the purpose God has on my life.

And you've used that scripture, "Just because it's lawful doesn't mean it's helpful." Doesn't mean it's helpful. And I think that is probably— I saw a lot of people who are around my age, and you brought this up in the service. You said, "Well, you guys are getting real quiet in here." but you're seeing eyes open, people scratching their head, sitting back in their seat a little bit going, wow, I've never thought about that. I think that's one of the biggest things because the fact is you said holiness, a lot of people want to chuck it up to simply behavior, but holiness by definition is being set apart. Separate. Category of its own. I am called, I am chosen. And that can mean so many different things for so many different people. But I think at the end of the day, We're saying the separateness is unto God. And that's what I think our generation is getting a fresh revelation of, a fresh understanding of with things like Transfer Conference, because it's needed.

When I talk about mixture, I said the other day, when someone asked me, I forget who it was, asked me now, what do you think the greatest challenge to the Gen Z is as a man now? With 57 years in his rearview mirror, I look at probably, I see from hopefully an eagle eye view and I don't see like this. I think as you grow older, you get a bigger picture. And I can see my generation, the hangup on us was we were tough as nails. We would plow through any line of defense, but none of them really ended well. Wow. There's a lot of sad stories with guys, with marriages, with women who were movers and shakers for the kingdom and just the way their life ended was almost tragic. Yes, sir. So that was the knock on mine. So I think the millennials responded that I don't want to end like that. And so we come back and they're very savvy, they're very intelligent. They find an easier, they find a more efficient way. That's kind of the way they've done all through corporate America and everything. Everything. But in that, a lot of the power stuff got lost. [Speaker:GREG] Yes, sir. [Speaker:GEORGE] And so that's kind of a knock. You got Gen Z. Gen Z is probably the most passionate generation that has been on the planet for Christ since I've been alive. [Speaker:GREG] Wow. [Speaker:GEORGE] I've never seen an inherent going after God, filling up arenas, filling up buildings, filling up university campuses, spontaneous baptisms, worshiping for 3 hours with no no worship leader. Those are remarkable things, but they're basically undiscipled because when their pastors were millennials and the millennials quit the discipleship and went seeker. Go there. I mean, I'm 57, I don't care no more, I just say it. And so you've got a— Paul talked about it. He said, "Zeal without knowledge." He said, "They have zeal but lacking knowledge." And so I think there's a real opportunity here discipleship. And I'm starting to see the notepads, not iPads, notepads. Yes, sir. And pencils and sitting down and teach me, teach me. Because they, they're realizing they're having an experience but don't have the knowledge to attach it to. Yes, sir. For instance, I saw a reel this morning. I check my social media in the morning and I check it at night before I go to bed. During the day, I could care less, quite honestly. But I check things this morning. Basically, the morning check is to make sure nothing crazy is on there. The night check is to see if I'm having any impact. This morning, and it was a reel on there and said, "Man, I just got saved and I'm gonna let all these other guys know you don't need to fuck with me no more." And I thought, see, there's pastors that would grab their chest, go back into cardiac arrest. Do you know what I did? I chuckled. You know why? Zeal. But don't have a clue how God would have you to use the power of your tongue. Just don't have a clue. That don't make me mad. I don't get mad at that. I don't come down on that. I look at it and say, "They don't know, and it's my responsibility to teach them." That's the way I look at that. That does not make me angry. And I know a lot of people in my generation, that would have offended the heck out of them. And I mean, they're like, you know, they never got saved in the first place? Anybody can talk like that. Well, they don't know that James says you can't have bitter water and fresh water from the same well. And if any man can tame the tongue, that man is a completed Christian. They don't know that. And what I have seen, Andrew, and it happened again this past Sunday. I hope everybody goes on Facebook and grabs it.

Shameless plug, you need to watch that message.

We talked about the threshing floor and the altars were packed with young people and it was not packed to get hands laid on them and it was not packed to be anointed with oil. It was packed for you to come and seek God in your own way about what is the good thing that is in you and what is the bad stuff in you that is trying to sabotage it that God may want to remove. So good. Those are Those are not normal altar calls. And our altars were flooded. Yes, flooded. I've wondered this year if God don't just want to have a worship experience at Transfer, but a threshing floor experience. I'm wondering if I need to lean into that. I know with more than a message, but kind of make it a theme that runs throughout. You're going to leave here after 2 and a half days and you will never be the same. You're going to be revolutionized, not because we sung a song that you hadn't heard, right? But because God did something so deep within you that the enemy can never bring that back into your life. Right. And we need that. That's one of the things that I'm thinking about. What are you looking forward to this year? You know, we got SY, right? Not close to my age. I can't believe I'm saying this. I'm considered one of the older generation. Got Cheryl Brady coming in. Now, Darius Daniels is a millennial. Excited. And then we got Emmy Moore and others coming in that are probably Gen Z. I don't know, she might be. I'm not sure. Late millennial, Gen Z, just younger people. Then Red Worship's a mixture of young millennials and Gen Z. So we got a good mixture here, but 3 of my All 4 speakers are in a position to give something away. That's what we need. Tell me what you think about that.

Honestly, I mean, it excites me.

Everybody you just named. Were you in the building with SY last year on Greenmoor?

Yes, I was literally right there, stage left. I remember standing behind Lizzie and Trinity and we're like, we kept looking at each other. Do we go? Does he need us?

He's got a real prophetic anointing too. He's got a real prophetic anointing. I remember that moment vividly.

Vividly because what he did for those pastors that came forward, it was amazing. And I know it's gonna happen here at Transfer. I'm just excited because like you said, especially when you shared that part right now about leaning into that, I do think there's something on that because I think I'm excited for more moments like what happened on Sunday to happen at Transfer because truthfully, I do think we're moving away from, oh, I'm just excited to hear this speaker. I think people are excited for a move of God. I think they, of course, they care and they honor the gifting and the anointing that are all in these individuals' lives and just the stories that they carry and everything that they do in their authority. But I'm excited because I feel hunger in the air. I feel that people want a legitimate, genuine experience, like what you're describing, to where it's not chucked up to just a moment. Oh, that was a great moment. No, but they actually legitimately leave here, people at their job see them and go, "There's something different about you." I'm trying to do a next-level experience.

You know why? Because Gen Z is having phenomenal worship experiences all over America. Yes, sir. In some parts of the world. Right. But all over America, the Gen Zers, they are this group where you look at it and go, "Wow." There's 55,000 of them at The Passion Conference and they're just going crazy. Right. Okay, that's kind of a new phenomenon. That's kind of a new thing. Okay, now, this is the way I look at it. It's not right. You have a lot of older generation look at it and critique it. This is right and this is wrong. What's happening is not right or wrong. I think it's incomplete. So what do we need to do? If you get people that are deep in the Word— Come on now. —with people that run with that kind of passion— Lord have mercy. —if you get people that get their life separated unto God enough, with the inherent God-chasing that is on the inside of them, you know, a lot of people are saying, have we lost a culture? I think we've got a generation that could revolutionize a culture. [Speaker:RB] Come on now. [Speaker:MG] But they need more discipleship. They need more knowledge. [Speaker:RB] Yes, they do. [Speaker:MG] That's what we're trying to do with Transfer this year. Let's have the God moments. Bring them on. Signs, wonders, miracles, laying on the floor, eating Praise until we can't walk, till we're stuck with our shirts. Let's have it. But then when it's all said and done, teach me your ways, God. How does a Christian think? How does a young Christian woman carry herself? How does she conduct herself? What does a real healthy relationship look like? What kind of people do I want I want in my circle? How do I use my mouth? How do I use my gifts? How do I use my service? How do I offer my body unto God as a living sacrifice? Come on now. How— what do these things look like? And I think, I really believe it. If those things ever get in the spirit of this generation accompanied with their passion, I say, look out. Revival. I say, look out. It is revival. It is revival. Because my generation was deep in the discipleship. But we weren't God chasers. If you told me you were having a worship night for 3 hours, it ain't that I wouldn't have valued it. It's that the culture that I ran with, we did praise and worship in a worship service. But, you know, would we come out a whole night just to worship? I don't know. And it wasn't offered. Nobody even thought like that.

That's what I was just going to ask you. How does— how do you—

I can't gauge whether or not anybody would come because I don't remember anybody offering it. Now we would have a prayer meeting. We call it prayer meeting. We would have prayer meeting. And I remember in my dorm room, getting down in the commons area in the bottom, and we'd have guys start at midnight, pray till 4 o'clock in the morning. I do remember that. But now, when you praise God, he inhabits praise. When you worship him, you get to experience him. I've never seen in my lifetime A generation that'll do that for hours like this one. Some of our biggest crowds that we've had in this building are worship. Yeah. Okay. That's amazing. But it's not finished. Let's put the— let's add the other ingredients to it. Yes, sir. We've been on here about a half hour. Invite everybody to transfer. Tell them what they can expect when they come.

Listen, you gotta, don't even, don't hesitate.

Red Worship got anything up their sleeve?

We got a lot up the sleeve. And I wish I can, I want it to be a surprise, but I want it to be—

Well, don't tell 'em if it's supposed to be a surprise.

I'm gonna say this, you will not want to miss what is about to happen. Just came out of a meeting right now where me and Jason, we're talking, Jason Lamb, our vocal director who helps put together all of our, well, along with Lizzie and Trent and everybody else who gets involved, our creative elements. And what happens before the services with the openers and whatnot. And all I'm gonna say is this, you do not wanna miss what's about to happen because it is something, there's so much heart and so much passion and mission behind. This goes way beyond, we just wanna have another cool conference that captures a few viral moments on Instagram and gets us another 250,000 followers. That's not what this is about. This is showing more and more that we are actually with creative elements, wanting to see God glorified, lives be changed. And I'm going to tell you, don't hesitate. I'm sure there's going to be a link at the bottom, at the description of this podcast. Click that link, sign up for Transfer, because you need to get in this room. I know after everything that I'm hearing going on, I don't want to miss it. I'm a part of it, but there's a part of me that wants to sit in those seats and just experience it.

Jog my memory. Are you trying to do a release about the same time?

There is a release that is coming out that weekend, but that's only one part of what Red is going to be cooking up for that weekend. Good deal.

Good deal. I want you guys to be there. Last year we had the biggest crowd we've ever had. We had the biggest daytime attendance we've ever had. I mean, daytime, the floor was almost full. And this is a big building. And for that many people to be here during the daytime, and that's when so much of the craziness broke out. Literally. Was during the daytime. That's a little unusual. So if you can, I mean, it's worth taking vacation days. Seriously. To get out here. This is on the West Coast. LXP is our leadership conference. It's on the East Coast. It's in October. But we do this one here. This is quasi our worship transfer, more experience-oriented conference on the West Coast. So it's the first week of May. What's the exact dates? I don't have it in front of me.

May 6th through the 8th. May 6th through the 8th.

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. And I need you to get registered. Registration is free. We try to pay our bills by giving people a chance to give offerings. We don't charge registration when we do our Transform Conference, but I do need to save you a seat. Seriously. We have limited seats. And so if you sign up, I need you to take those seats because we're not giving them to anybody else. And if you don't show, they'll just be empty. Right. So get registered. And we would love to have you guys out here May 6th through 8th. It's gonna be amazing. Andrew, you and everybody at Red Worship, I appreciate what y'all bring to the table. Thank you for doing this with me. Yes, sir. Appreciate it. Until next time, Hope's coming back. Hopefully she's gotten some rest, she's recuperated a little bit, and you'll hear us go back and forth at each other about a week from now. But I love you. Thank you for being with us on Run and Hope Unfiltered, real, raw, and relevant. We'll see you real soon.