The Revival You Didn’t See Coming with Guests Red Worship (Part 2) | Ron + Hope: Unfiltered

I told you guys, if you didn't watch the last one, you need to. Because we were coming back and we were going to extend this. I'm sitting right here with the guys from Red Worship. This is Run and Hope Unfiltered, Real raw and relevant. She's coming back, guys. I promise she's coming back. She just had different things she's got to do. So I've been taking advantage of that. Get with some of my guys here. And you say, what is Red Worship? I'm not just going to assume. Everybody knows, you know, our church's redemption has been redemption for over 30 years. And basically we felt like there needed to be something we can. I've always thought the sound of our house was a little special, a little unique. Not being proud, I just thought it was unique and that if we could make our own record label and create something that could be sung everywhere, and we had never done that. I had never done that. And so Red Worship is a derivative of that desire. And these are the people that God has assembled that make that up. And a lot of great things are happening. The previous podcast, we just really talked about spiritual things. Absolutely talked about, you know, maybe some of the things that my generation did wrong, but maybe some of the things that you guys generation needed that you didn't get. And so we're going to talk in a few minutes about a conference. I know this isn't a promo podcast, but because we want. We recognize a problem instead of complaining about it, do something.

Yes, sir.

And we want to create an opportunity where one generation can pass something very powerful to another. And we're calling it. The Transfer conference was previously called Mantle. Ran into some problems there and we just decided to switch the name and call it Transfer. And I got to be honest with you, I've had a greater response from the word transfer than I did Mantle. So I've gotten a lot of response since we have changed that name. But anyway, I wanted to talk. First of all, we didn't really get there in the last service. You guys got some new stuff coming out. And I would say Red Worship has an extended family. We got Naomi, Jonathan Traylor, Jonathan Stamper, all like that. Somebody just speak up, tell people out there and don't take the 15 minute form, take the three minute form. Tell them a little bit about the creative process. Because a lot of people just turn on the radio or they turn on their MP3 and they don't have any idea what goes into that. And even I probably have a new appreciation because business Wise, I created the record label, but I didn't create the process. And so even I have been, wow. Boy, there's a lot of. Before you get to this, somebody just speak up about the creative process. Literally about getting in a room. Do you just wait for something to come? Is it just an idea? Because you know what, a lot of people will be intrigued. How do you start from nothing? And you got this.

Yeah. I mean, so obviously we have writing camps. We go to homes.

And a writing camp is a gathering of different writers, come together usually a.

Couple of days, two, three days of what we do. And we normally break into groups of four and maybe rooms of three or four. And so at any given moment, there's about three or four songs that are happening that take a couple of hours.

Typically, and nothing's off the table. It can go anywhere. It can go anywhere.

Yeah. And I think that because stylistically we know each other, we kind of reaching for something that's similar. The age and the experiences is pretty similar. So we know what's happening in the world, what's happening, what God is speaking and breathing on our houses. And so that kind of dictates the direction of a lot of the songs. I mean, we may be specific as to what we call number one first upbeats. Let's try to get some of those. Or a ballad or something. But, you know, stylistically we are all very similar, and it just happens organically. You know, my contribution normally is I'm a top liner. So I may start playing the piano and a melody comes and somebody will say, what is that? You know, and then the lyric may follow it. And, you know, I think Trinity out of our group is going to make sure that we're on sound doctrine.

Absolutely.

You know, it may sound the Bible open.

Yeah.

It could be a good melody.

Thank you for that. Trinity.

Yeah. Yeah.

There's nothing. You know what that reminds me, you know, I was raised in the hymnal church, and some of the theology in them hymns were so bad.

Really?

Wow. But then you would. But see, you got to understand, most of the people got their theology from their songs. And so if the song is bad, the belief is bad. And so, you know, I have an appreciat. They might pick on you a little bit. But when I hear somebody singing something that I know just is not biblical, it's like, you know, nails on a chalkboard to me. I can't hardly stand it. So anyway, something else about the creative process.

I think one thing that helps us a lot, like the record that's coming out was we went into a writing camp during the time that you were preaching about Heavenly Chaos. So we get to pull a lot of.

Heavenly Chaos was a praise and worship series.

So we would pull a lot of what you were preaching and talking about on Sunday morning. So that's one thing that we could kind of do because we bring in writers to kind of help us, and we could talk to them about what the church was learning, about what was happening, and we kind of had some inspiration from what's happening here at Redemption. That helps us a lot, too.

Absolutely. I mean, we were pulling out actual notes from your sermons, and that's one of the things, you know, that's one of the things I like to do, is I can give you a concept, you know, for days. But with this last record, all of our concepts, most of the concepts I will say came from stem from that in some way. Your series, which to this day, I mean, I feel like a lot of people are talking about, yeah, heavenly Chaos. I mean, I was in Canada, and I was talking to these guys, and they were like, yeah, that Heavenly Chaos series. And I'm like, yo, we wrote a whole record, you know, based on that from that season, and it was really impactful. So I think that has really kind of steered our writing process, our creative process, to make sure it's staying true to the DNA of the house and what God is speaking in that season through you, you know, Cool.

You know, you're talking about that just to come back and cut up a little bit. God, I hope these people aren't watching and aren't mad at me. It's not that long ago there used to be a song, kind of a camp meeting song. Send it on down, send it on down Lord, let your holy ghost Y' all remember that? And I was stood out there, and everybody's going crazy, and I'm like, he's down. He's already down. He's in you. He's not coming down. He comes out. Springs of living water Sh. And I would sit there, and I.

Was like, preach, sir.

You know, and everybody's flipping out, you know, running aisles and going crazy. And I'm like, he's already here, but I love him.

And I'm always like, I want to sing this, but I know, but he's already anointing fall on me.

And I know him. Ron Canoli is a wonderful guy. We had him several times at our church, but that was another one. I'm like, the anointing is in you. You know, this Christ that was with you shall be in you. You know, so the fact. If you're holding that doctrine. I'm down with you. I'm down with you on that. I'm down with you. Some of the songs that are getting ready to come out, I know we're kind of scared to drop dates because production. Production is hard to nail down. And then if something ain't right, you got to wait for somebody to get back in. So we're just short, but we know sometime in March we got some stuff dropping. Somebody want to talk about these next songs? Are they different? Are they better? Are they what? What do you think they are? Anybody can answer that.

The song coming out Friday. Well, this Friday is.

Which is.

It's called Show Me youe Face. And it was actually a cover song. We were just doing it for regular praise and worship on a Sunday morning. And we released a little clip of it, and it has like 4 million views now. And so I think this one's special because it really is just a part of what we do on Sunday mornings. We weren't trying to release it. We were just doing worship for our local chur. And people gravitated to it so much. So I think that's what's really special about that specific single coming out and then so many other things.

Is that not a pat? Can I be honest? We struggled sometime when we're trying to do a recording that we leave and feel like the recording was good, but the other stuff that we care about never got there. Come on. We're just being vulnerable. We're just being vulnerable. You got to capture it. But sometimes the desire to get the excellent capture, you feel like there's other things. Maybe you could have moved in and you didn't. But it looks like to me, as I've watched some of Yalls numbers, what the people respond to usually happen in a service. It happened in moments. And as I think about it, maybe I've had some that wouldn't like that, but most of them, it just seems like these simple moments when God was using you and the thing just. You know, it just blows up.

I think. I think. And Lizzie's pointed this out. Trinity, you said this before. I think it's because that's when we're our most authentic self, you know, that is who we are. And meaning. Lizzie has been trying to tease this thing for a while about us. Like, let's do a record where it's all from Sunday mornings. Because that is. And it may come, hopefully. So you told them that, like, we.

Wanted to that one day, vocalize it. I've been thinking that sometimes I'm thinking, don't edit it.

Right.

Don't polish it.

Yes.

Leave it raw. Would it go over? I don't know. But when you look at what the people respond to now, it seems to be those raw moments where everybody might not have been on key and everybody might not have came in at the same time, but, whoo. Something's happening in that room and it moves people. I'm down with that. You know, I don't know industry wise what it would do, but I'm down with that.

I think it's a balance between the two. I do think that we found that balance with the present People's Project that will be coming out in March. That record was birthed in the heart of our annual conference that we have here, and the atmosphere was conducive for it to be captured this past previous year. Now started capitalizing on what works for Red. So we've done quite a bit of these Red night experiences where we're off stage and we don't feel like it's more of an entertainment value, but it's like we want to come close to the people and have them engage, and that's what this particular project presented itself to be. We were able to capture what I call the genie in the box, our authentic presentation that really happened and it translates. So I think that everybody. We're proud of the maturity of these songs, the natural ascension and chemistry that has transpired amongst us, and the way that it will translate to the listener. We were listening to some of the mixes earlier today, and it really. It's not super polished, but it is authentic and it is something in which could be replicated to the masses of people.

What is it like when you've been going on some of these things, like you were just in one in New York? What is it like when you go somewhere else and they're singing your song?

It's special. Oh, my gosh, has I ever seen the fruit?

That's gotta feel good.

It does, yeah.

We were in New York and we did Pull on Heaven, We Want Revival and this is Glory. And from the verse, yes, they were singing.

I'm getting chills just even thinking about that moment, watching them lead that in that room. Oh, my gosh, that's gotta feel good.

Very humbling. You're kind of just like, wow, they know the songs and I ministered to.

Them and that came out of me. That came out of us. That came, you know, puts a level of.

And you've talked about this before. It does put a level of responsibility to know that. What. I mean, I remember. I remember the room the four of us were in with Naomi when this is Glory was written. And it's like to know that, you know, what? We're. We're sitting in this living room in Nashville and, you know, we're typing on our notes like these very words that we're typing. In a couple of years time, somebody's going to be singing, you know, on their last leg, you know, going by.

Thread, hanging by hanging by thread, going through hell.

And that's not. We're not afraid to say that because it's the truth, you know, and this is going to be something that they're going to sing so confidently and boldly. I mean, it's like, wow, these words are no small thing. And it's very humbling to listen to.

You know what? I'm going to praise y' all right here in front of everybody. I've. I've been around, really, some great artists, some great praise and worship leaders, some people that really good at their craft, but I've also been around some where their ego was much greater than their gift. And one thing that I just want to tell everybody is this is not a room when I walk in it where I feel like everybody was having to navigate through egos. And I've been in those rooms where, you know, this one's got to sing this one, and if this one don't sing, two, and this one. And I've been in those rooms. And to me, that's almost an anointing killer. I mean, it's almost like. Because, you know, the most, you know, the Bible calls. Another word for Satan is Lucifer. One of the most Luciferian things ever do is stand on God's stage and say, I want to be famous. Because Lucifer stood on God's stage and.

Said, I so good.

And one thing I appreciated. I do seem. It does seem like y' all have been intentional about getting I out of the room.

Yes, sir.

Yes, absolutely.

And I think that's no small matter. That's hard to do. That's hard to do, especially when you have people who are good. They're good at what they do, and they know they're good at what they do, and you have to navigate through that. But there's a purity that comes when you're not wrestling egos. And I think y' all have done an admirable job with that. Something else about some of the songs that's Coming out. Then we're going to hit transfer. Anything else? Promo them, Talk about them.

Come on, Trish, talk about that.

I mean, we've had, like, the singles, like, We Want Revival. What are some other singers. Yes. Pulling Heaven. I mean, they've all been just so impactful because we're singing the song of our hearts, really. Pull On Heaven is an original. We Want Revival as another cover. But, like, it all just resonated with, you know, our hearts and spirits and what the Lord wants to do in the room. So as we sing it, we see it happen pretty much every time. And then Stanford got on and kind of wrote another part of that one.

I think Jesus Forever has been a song that our church. It's been like an anthem for our church. I think from the first time we did it. You know, some songs you have to teach for a while until they catch it, but that one was one. And I feel like the first time we sang it, our church just grabbed it. And I think we're really, really excited for other people to have it, just because if our entire church grabbed it the way they did, I think that it'll be a song for other churches, which, when we write that's such a big thing for us, is we want songs for the church. Songs that churches can do. Yeah. So I think that one's one that we're really excited about. And I think we do. We write from a place of what we're experiencing in the house, and then I think we also write from a place of what we want to see. There's a song moving again, and there's a lyric in the bridge that's like, we won't live off old stories. We're going to see the glory. And I think that really talks about, like, what you talk about where we are. We don't want to just live off the stories of our parents and our grandparents, but we're going to have stories of our own. So I think I'm excited for those songs for people to sing them and us to prophesy, honestly, what we want to see happen. So.

And you've made this. I feel like you've made this so clear for us, sir. It's like, you know, our job, we do what we do, but we do want to equip. I mean, the Bible says to equip the saints for the work of ministry. And I think that even with the songs that she's describing, they're so good, but they are singable, they're playable, all of the things. And, you know, seeing Some, you know, other churches already start to play some stuff based on social media clips is so amazing because we.

It's gotta feel good.

And what's amazing about it. Cause we've seen the way it's moved here. We've seen the tears fall and so.

On and so forth, and guess what does it translate?

And to now know. And to now know that somebody can just pull up that Spotify, driving down the road, hard day at work, whatever, and then they're gonna be able to hear, you know, lizzie Tarrap, we want revival or Trinity, tear up, moving again, and all the things. And it's just like, there's nothing more sweet. It's so weird to say, but it's so sweet.

It is.

You know, to have that happen, got.

Record labels now that came out of churches, you know, hillsongs and elevations, that it started with a church sound, and then it moved to a world sound. And I think in some ways, you know, I'm not trying to reinvent that model. I would like to see that happen. How do you think your peers see you? This is just. How do you think? Do you think. Do you think you've. Do you think as far as the presence of God and what you carry and what is being produced, do you think that you've earned the respect of your peers? Because you know what? I don't care if it's Christian or secular. It's a hard industry to break into. It's a hard industry.

I mean, like, I've known Naomi Rayne now for, like, six years. Six years. And I think it's one thing when someone of her caliber that, like, I look up to personally is like, oh, your music's really good, or I love what y' all are doing. That's one thing. But when they're willing to come be a part of it, to me, that's a different story.

They're willing to be identified with you.

And so I think someone like her linking arms with us has really affirmed a lot of things.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

And killed some of the insecurity. Because you deal with so much insecurity. I feel like in this, when you're starting up and so having somebody like her back has been huge.

Yes, that's true.

Yeah.

Guys, let me tell you what we're doing. May 7th through 9th. Did I get it right? Yes, sir.

First try.

You may have seen it started off in some of our social media stuff. In fact, we had an Instagram page for Mantle, and we found out that we had traded on a trademark. Somebody else was using. That's not our game. We don't want to do that. So, in other words, in a way to make it right, we changed the name to Transfer, trying to capture in the name what we want God to do. It's not just a worship conference. It's not just a worship leader's conference. It's for everybody. But we believe there is going to be a divine impartation that takes place, not just one generation to another, but an outpouring from God, something fresh on the people. I just sense something's happening. I spent my whole staff meeting, literally a couple hours ago, preparing everybody for the divine surge, the divine acceleration of all things, the breakthrough breaking up of structures that have held people tormented, held people back. And then all of a sudden, this move of God that has been unprecedented, that maybe some regions have never experienced before. I know this region has not. And I'm like, how can we do something now? I hate to say capture it and put it in a box, but how can we take this thing and put it in this moment so that people can come from all over America and around the world if they want to, and leave with it and carry it back to where they are? So he came up with the idea of the transfer conference, the Elijah, Elisha model, you know, the Paul, Timothy model, the Jesus and Disciples model, where something is not being taught, but being caught from one generation to another. What are we trying to accomplish in this conference? Any of you? I don't know it, but I want y' all to say it.

I mean, I will say from my vantage point, you've spoken about this before. There is something that is legitimately waiting to be transferred from one generation to the next. There was a realm of power, authority, anointing. I mean, the word keeps coming to mind, game changing. That existed once before, that we don't see prominent right now for many, many different reasons, you know, and we have sensed. And Lizzie's talked about this. She talked about this in the series Heavenly Chaos. You're hungry. You are to see that go from here to there. And you're just waiting. We're just waiting for people who say, I want that. You know, you talk about Elijah and Elisha and how it was easy as Elijah walking by and just throwing his mantle on him, for lack of a better word. That was the word, you know, and there is a generation that is waiting for that coat to be. To be thrown. And this is a weekend where, again, like you said, it's not that it's going to be a gang of teaching. And they're going to come in and maybe notebooks are going to be filled, but they will leave with a greater authority, a greater anointing, a greater awareness, a greater sensitivity to the spirit.

I'm almost scared to tell them there's a lot of it. We don't know what it's going to be.

Absolutely. Because we don't know.

And I know that's not a great marketing tool. They're like, so you want me to buy an $800 plane ticket? There's a lot of it where we're like, I was just going over the schedule before I came in here of the conference, and there was some of it. It was so vague. And I'm like. Because we truly don't. We're just given space and we're okay with that. Yeah. And we're all right. It don't have to be scripted because we do want to have several times where we go in there and God just shows up. That's when I would leave and say, this was a success.

This was a success.

If God just showed up and we're.

And that's what we want. Where agendas are surrendered, intentions are surrendered. We're going to prepare, we're going to do everything we can. But at the end of the day, God is leading this thing. And I don't know however many conferences, you can confidently slay that with a clear conscience to know God, whatever you say goes. I know for transfer, that's our MO.

I'm going to start the conference. It's not a teaching conference, you're right. But I'm going to start the conference with an iconic message. Honestly, back in the 90s, God gave me a message called the Sound of Dirt and the Sound of Dirt. You know, there were three major elements back in the book of Job. Job didn't know Job's the oldest book in the Bible. He didn't know anything but fire, water and earth. Water had its sound, fire made its sound, but dirt could make no sound. So God breathed into it and gave it a sound. And then I preached the power of the sound out of that. And I've gone around and preached it, but I haven't preached it in a long time. But I went around for a while at worship conferences and stuff, and I preached that I'm going to lead off. It'll be modified, It'll be the 2025 version, but I'm going to be talking about that and leading the conference off. Ty Tribut. Can I be honest with you, Ty? He's a friend of mine. I think Ty's old school and new school. Absolutely. He's kind of. You can go either way with him. He can take you back or he can take you forward. And he's going to be a part of this. The binions.

Come on. Classic legends, man.

Legends, they really are. You know, she'll make you eat carpet.

I'm telling you.

She'll make you eat carpet and ain't even trying. And David can be highly prophetic and sometimes. And I think we're trying to get Gracie. Yes, sir, as well.

She'll be here.

We did nail that down. Okay. I think that was kind of floating last time I heard. So she's going to be with them. And here's a name. This woman's never marketed herself and could care less if she ever sells anything. I've seen Janice Showstrand.

Come on.

Do some things with instruments and on a stage that I've never seen anybody do. And I remember the first time I saw her. I'm just going to say it, Hope it invited her. Full comfort. I didn't know she was. And I was very concerned back then about who's in this pulpit. And when she walked in, skirt down to the floor. Holiness, Hair in the big bun and not a stitch of makeup on and, you know, so polished and cultured and so elegant in a way. And I looked at her, and I'm gonna tell you what I was like, Hope has made a mistake. I'm like, these people are gonna kill this woman. She got up there and took them bobby pins out. Come on. And that hair fell all the way down to the back of. And she got on there and started playing that piano with her arms, and it sounded good. And she started singing He's a Brick house.

Oh, my God.

And I mean, the place just turned over. And I'm like. Because what you are experiencing don't go with what you're seeing and the purity. Come on, now. I'm going to go back. The holiness.

Come on, sir.

The way this woman lives, and most people don't know it. She wrote alabaster box. Okay. You need to hear her sing it. You need to hear her sing it. And she sung Holy Ground at Bill Clinton's inauguration. And they said. A lot of people said, that's the only time I've ever seen Bill Clinton ever ask any questions about God, is, what is she singing? And who is that? And out of all these secular artists that were there, she sang Holy Ground. And they were mesmerized. So old School. But tremendous impartation. We're bringing her in and I had to pump her a little bit because that's not a known name. But don't you belittle it because you haven't heard the name.

I'm most excited.

Yeah. Because she can just flat go if she wants to go. And then of course, we got Red Worship and we got our extended Red worship family. Naomi's going to be here. Jonathan, both the Jonathan's, Stamper and Traylor are going to be here. And Stephen and Lori, Steven and Lori are going to be with us. When you start putting all this together, you're sitting there looking like something's got to happen. Something's got to happen. I don't know what this something is, but something has got to happen. But any. I want to give y' all a chance to maybe a minute apiece, because I've been talking enough. This is Pastor. This is what I want to see, and I don't want it to be heartfelt. This is what I want to see for my generation. You first, Lizzy.

I think for me, like, just hearing you talk about this, you had been preaching sermons and just kind of talking about what you felt like was missing from a generation. And being in the ministry, being in the place that Red's in, I just felt like almost called to help however we could make this happen. Because when you would talk about it, there was so much conviction and I agreed with you so much about what you would be talking about. And so not in a weird way, but in a way I do feel like Red is coming alongside you to help fulfill something that I really feel like is like a mandate on your life.

I do, too.

And so it's very humbling. And I just think for us, I really hope that people our age get to just experience it. There's so many people that I don't think they've seen people be healed. I don't think they've seen people be delivered. I don't know if they've really experienced the glory of God. And so I really hope that for Pastor Ron Carpenter, for Red Worship, for redemption, that people will remember this place. As if you want to really experience that, you can go to redemption, you can go experience it there. And so. And hopefully it starts a bunch of little fires. People take what happens at this conference and then they go start it at their churches and it just keeps spreading.

What you want to say. Trinity.

I actually want to go back to what you said in the other episode. Just talking about, like, what's A perfect service. And I feel like I've seen it where there are people hungry before anything even started. You know, the minstrels are playing. There's just a moment happening and people are laid out at the altar. There's intercessors walking around, tearing up, you know, to where, like, the faith in the room is so high that at that point, anything can happen. And so I look forward to when.

The faith you just describing that gets me excited, I'm telling you exactly.

Because when the faith, you know, from Earth just reaches up, like, I just feel like. And, you know, like you said, we're just undone. And you don't have to say the perfect word or preach a sermon or, you know, anything where we can just. Just be undone. I look forward to that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're kind of sandwiched between two generations. What do you want to say, Terrence?

I want to see an authenticity.

You've been a part of all that. You've been a part of the production age, and you've been a part of the Cheryl Brady age.

Right, Exactly.

What do you want to see?

I think an authentic demonstration of God's presence in his spirit. And for one way or the other to speak to what you're saying about the sandwiched age, the ones who've lost faith on what authenticity looked like of the old age, and they have chosen to say, that's not me. I'm cool. I'm just gonna box it into this formula driven new age church versus the ones that came through the new age who don't identify, to Lizzie's point, with the authenticity. So I just think that for me, I definitely want to see that. And it's the perfect word transfer. It's like we don't have a track or syllabus of what it all looks like. It's going to be, I think, an undeniable, authentic presentation of God's spirit. That happens, you know, because none of us have the agenda to say we've got to hit this part, and if we don't do this, we've missed it. So that's undeniable to the people that are coming. And I think it's already a level of anticipation for what God is going to do. Yeah. So that's what I personally want to see.

You know, not being a church boy, you got a different vantage point. What do you want to see for your generation?

Wow.

I think that, you know, they talk about the millennial generation being the fatherless generation, and this is the first truly.

Fatherless generation in America, though it's not.

Necessarily, you know, we're not calling it a healing conference. You know, a major part of my personal process was my time at Living Waters and going through healing and counseling and so on and so forth. I know when what they're describing, the move of God taking place in the room can do for a person who's broken in the area of needing inner healing. And if there's one thing I want is I want a move to take place in such a way that the person who never was affirmed by his father walks out in a bold level of confidence and authority and anointing. You know, the girl who was never told she was beautiful by her mother. God moves in such a way that she walks out in a new level of confidence. And I believe, you know, miracles and signs and wonders, non negotiable, it's going to happen. But one of the most. And Pastor, you said this, the hardest thing to change is the human heart. I think hearts are going to be changed in this environment. That's what I want to see in this generation. Because nobody's talking about it. Because it's hard. It's hard to do, you know, And I'll be moved to tears if I keep talking about it because I care so much about that, but I know it will happen. So get to transfer conference.

I would tell my generation and up, you can keep the Holy Ghost and be relevant. So good. I would tell the younger generation, you can be relevant and high production and still have the Holy Ghost.

Come on, sir.

One does not have to be embraced at the expense of the other.

Yes, sir.

And I believe what Ron Carpenter has tried to do is there's a hybrid.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, we spent money on LED boards, too. We got lights and smoke everywhere, too. We got line array speakers hanging all in this ceiling. But if God don't show up, we have failed. We've failed. If your talent was just put on display, we failed. And so that's what I would say to both generations. You don't have to throw out one to have the other. They can both happen. You can be excellent in what you do and still make room for God to touch his people. We will attempt to allow God to do that at the transfer conference. I know California sometimes is a cross country for all the east coast churches, which a lot of our influence. That's where it's at. But I'm going to tell you something. We're putting prayer and we're leaning into this one maybe in a way we haven't many others lately. And I would love to see you make the sacrifice and go ahead and plan now to be here. Go on our website, Redemption's website, if you would. I know this is Red Worship kind of conference, but to go to Redemption's website, because you got all the list of all the hotels, everything where we've got accounts with everything that you need to do to plan your trip, you can get that there. And when you get here, we'll try to make sure we've done our part to bring you whatever it is God wants to bring you. So, man, it's been fun, guys. I've done this once or twice with you. It's always fun when I get to have you on. Okay. The fun one's coming back next week, and you'll get to hear me and her go at it. But thank you for giving us, in these two episodes, about an hour of your time. I love you. I care about you. I really do. Tell somebody. Tell somebody. You need to watch it and go watch it on your platform and then let somebody else know. You need to catch these two episodes. And until next time, it's Ron and Hope. Real raw and relevant. It's unfiltered, and we'll see you real soon.