When Passion Feels Dry with Guests Red Worship | Ron + Hope: Unfiltered

Foreign. Hey, guys, you get to hear from me first. It is Ron and Hope Unfiltered. And you can tell these other three people are not Hope.

Definitely not.

So why have I got the Ron Carpenter ministry ones and y' all got the Run and Hope Unfiltered?

No, yours is more special than ours, right?

I feel. Actually, I feel like, kind of left out, though. Y' all got the unfiltered ones, and mine just says Ron Carpenter on. That's boring. But anyway, actually, Hope's not feeling good, y'. All. Hope is. We thought it was allergies, but something. Something's kind of got her. And, you know, we got a big weekend coming up.

It's Easter.

Yeah, Easter. And then on both coasts, we got the extravaganzas on Saturday. We got big rehearsals tomorrow night. Coach. We got three services on Sunday. We got a lot going on. I told her, I said, you just need to stay home, baby. Number one, you need to get better. Number two, I don't need you spraying that stuff on everybody else. Yeah, I don't need everybody sick Easter Sunday. So Hope's not here. She's a little bit under the weather, and she just. They said she has some bronchitis. She's getting it cleared up, and she'll be back with us by Sunday. But anyway, you've seen these guys before. I think this is. Second. Third time I've done this.

Third time.

Third time. And Terence, of course, you're a lot of things, but you're a great friend. And Terence has traveled with me not just all over the nation, but the world. He's been our MD two separate times for years, and now he is the head of the. The record label, Red Worship. And of course, in many ways, you know, we have a lot of faces, but two of the main faces of Red Worship I got sitting around me here, Trinity. And. And also Lizzy. And you were just. You were just. Who's Shelly?

Pastor Cheryl.

Cheryl. How'd that go?

It was crazy, really. I'm still trying to take it. And she's somebody I've, like, looked up to forever, so I'm definitely processing it all.

Is she still preaching like that? She's still preaching hard. Did she preach or was it kind of her day?

She didn't preach because it was her birthday. Somebody else preached. But she did take up offering, and it. Even. That was oily. It was all anointed.

She's crazy.

She didn't have to do nothing.

Yeah, I've seen. I've seen her talking about transfer conference and how we want God to do anything. I've seen her wreck places. I know you have. Used to work for them. Yeah, I've seen her. I saw her one time take a secular song. I've seen people sing secular songs in a church service, but I saw her take a secular song and brought Holy Ghost. Was it late 70s or late. I can't live if living is without you. Take that thing and tear a church with that? And so anyway, she's always been one of our favorites, and I knew you were there with her this past weekend, so she was kind of like a hero to you. That was pretty cool being.

It was really cool.

Did you lead the worship or.

I did. I got to lead worship. Let me tell you, there is nothing scarier than leading worship while she. They still sit on the stage.

Tell them what she used to do. I don't think. I don't think Pastor Cheryl would mind. Tell her how hard she used to be.

Oh, man.

Because she was. She took that stuff serious.

Oh, she took it serious. You weren't living right, and you weren't in the flow. I mean, you got called in the green room, and it's just like, y' all missed it today. Oh, y' all weren't on point.

That's real.

Yeah, she was like.

So if y'. All. If she felt like, this is good now this is getting me. So if she felt like y' all missed moments in the service, she. She talked to you about it.

Oh, yes. She would be almost in tears immediately. Their green room at the time was right behind stage. So where this beast board is would be the doorway to get immediate. And you knew it. If you got called in there, it's a problem most of the time. I mean, it would balance it out. Like, it was a great service. But, yeah, you could almost anticipate by her face when she was leaving stage that you missed and. But that. That called us to be challenged to, like, live the life and to study the word and to really more than just even musicality. Just. It had to be.

You had to know God. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. You had to.

You had to know God. You can't just be a musician. Not do what she's wanting.

Moments. Sensitivity to moments.

And that takes something greater than a musical gift.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's the stuff I say. That's you. I don't know if you can teach it. I just don't know if you can teach that. It's like, kind of either have it.

The Holy Spirit.

Yeah, you either have it or you don't you know, I don't know how you teach people to be sensitive to moments.

I don't think you can. It can be activated in somebody that's already there, you know, so it has to be cultural rather than talk. Like here at the ministry, you know, we've got a young guy, Robbie, that plays with us, and you can. I didn't know much. He's from small town, usa, but his upbringing, that was something that was in him. But at this level and of what we do here, it had to be caught and then activated. So he gets it. You know, his skill is catching up to it. But, you know, it was already there.

You know, listen, this is taking on life of its own. Let's roll with it.

I love it.

Let's roll with it. Okay, you guys, Terrence is in between me and y'. All. Terrence is a little older than y'. All. He's a little younger than me. Yeah. Okay, you guys, y' all still. Y' all still. You know, we work with y' all and let y' all travel outside of redemption, y' all do other things outside of redemption. Is there anybody. Is there any younger led churches that would do that, call you out for moments missed? Is that even important to them? Or would they call you out if you messed up production? Two totally different things. You messed up production or you missed a moment. See, somebody calling you out saying God wanted to do this and you weren't there.

Right.

That would make. That would mess me up for a week.

I would wreck me.

I don't. I can't think of somebody missed their miracle because you. You're not sensitive to a moment that's. Yeah. That would make me stay awake at night.

Exactly.

And, like, I don't know if anybody functions like that.

Yeah. No.

Well, that's what I was going to say. I don't know that a lot of correct it because, I don't know, a lot of people our age do it, so it's hard.

I don't know that a lot of people would realize they missed a moment.

Right, Right.

What is a moment?

Yeah. Would you even know that you've missed it? Yeah. I think it has to be, you know, a flow. Like, one of the questions that came in when I do my podcast with my minister of fellowship, I just let them ask questions live. We do it live. And one of the questions that came in is, you know, how do. How do you keep your passion? Because I've been doing this 36 years and such a good question. I'm pretty energetic I mean, there's some moves I don't have no more, but I've retained about 80% of them. I told him, I said, there's two things. All passion is an overflow of my relationship with God. All passion. People talk about being burned out. I have a little play on being burned out. I think I could prove it. But I would be willing to let somebody debate me. I don't think there's such a thing as spiritual burnout, because the spirit don't burn out. I believe if you're burnt out, letting you know you're not in the spirit.

You'Re doing it without it, you got.

To pull on something else that diminishes. The spirit realm doesn't diminish. God can make everybody in the church a millionaire tomorrow, and heaven hasn't lost a dollar.

Wow.

You don't diminish. There's no boundaries. There's no limit. And if I'm operating, if I'm truly in my spirit, you know, I'm not weary. The Bible says you have to go beside still waters and restore your soul. You know, my mind, my will, my emotion. Even when Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane, he looked at him and said, the Spirit is willing, but.

Your flesh is tired.

And we get tired. But I'm talking about people who are like, I'm done. Yeah, I have nothing.

Right?

I have nothing. I think sometimes that personal time with God gets overtaken by life and by stuff. And I'm going to tell you, the fuse just starts slowly dying out.

Yeah, it does.

So, okay, all of us here are busy. I've never been busier in my life than I am right now. So I'm going put you. I'm going to put you on the spot. How do you maintain your passion? How do you get up and sing the same songs every week but get a thousand people stirred about it? Yeah. What do you do?

I mean, I always say, like, the other day someone was like, do you have a job? And I was like, yeah, I have a job. They were like, I'm on an airplane.

And I'm in a hotel all the time.

Right. But I told them I was like, singing and leading worship is not the job. The job is getting on planes and flights and all that stuff. So for me, me, I still love it and take it as such an honor. Anytime I get to get up here and sing about Jesus, like, that's not the job.

Don't lose the hard part. Don't lose that.

That's the part that fills Me up and.

Yep.

I mean, heals me, restores me. You know what I mean? So I feel like even when I'm in those moments, I know it's for everyone else as well, but that's where I feel the presence the most.

You still love it?

Oh, I do. And it comes for me for having a fresh revelation of the words I'm singing every time. Like, I'm gonna go back over every lyric and make sure that it's still true.

Yeah.

I'm always.

Taught me, you can sing a lie just as good as you can tell one. If I ever feel like I'm not gonna sing it, so I'm gonna mean it, you know, from my gut, and it's gonna come out with that same kind of passion every time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they were take. They were. Another question. We got, you know, how do. How do we build our worship culture? Or how do you transfer passion? And it ain't like I grab a mic and say, all right, I'm excited. Y' all get excited.

Right?

That's not the way passion happens. Passion is something I think you embody as a person.

Yeah, absolutely.

I fear God too much to approach him. Boring.

That's true. That's so good.

It really is.

I fear God. You know, you enter his gates with thanksgiving, and you enter his courts with praise. And the fact is, when I. When y' all start that first song and I come walking out of that side door, I come walking out with my hands in the air, and I come out, and I'm almost hoarse by the time I get to preach because I'm screaming with y', all even.

That is so rare for a pastor to. I feel like nowadays, even for a pastor to make it out during the praise and worship set, I'm out here.

For the whole thing.

That's rare.

Well, you usually start the song. That's when I come out.

Yeah.

On the side. And I come right down to the front. Because to me, this is just me. I don't know if this is everybody's standard. This is me. The bar that I hold for myself is I'm the prayer leader.

Yes, sir.

I don't expect anybody in this church to pray more than me. I don't expect anybody on this stage to pray more than me. I am the praise leader. I know y' all have the title, and I know y' all have the microphone, but I'm leading this crowd in worship just as much as anybody else. And I'm the lead. That's the bar I have for myself. I'M the worship leader. So I used to have an old saying. People say, how do you get everybody excited? Here's what I tell people. If you run, they'll walk. If you walk, they'll stand. If you stand, they'll sit. If you sit, they'll lay.

Right.

If you lay, they'll sleep. If you sleep, they'll die.

Wow.

There's. What I'm doing is usually going to be one level higher. And I think that would probably have to go for y', all, too. Your excitement is going to be ratchet up a little bit more than the folk even around the front row. So, you know, if I want them to be passionate, then for God's sake, pastors, worship leaders, get passionate about it yourself, Right?

Absolutely.

And so that's how I maintain. Mine is my personal relationship with God. Here's number two. I always try to be intentional with some sort of change. Change excites me. There's some people that can't stand change, but I'm going to be. I'm going to be a little vulnerable right here. When I was my first time at Redemption in Greenville, I was there almost 30 years.

Yeah.

Now, listen, I was only 50. Wow. I started when I was 21.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

I was there almost the time when you say somebody's been here 30 years, they're 75 plus. I was 50.

Right.

And when I. When I heard God to take over this west coast campus, I got a lot of flat. Not bad. That was by people who cared about me. Like, you know, you've been building your whole life. You finally got it built.

Right.

Why are you walking away? You know what? You know, enjoy what you built. I got to be honest with you, once it was set, I was miserable.

Yeah. Because you're a builder, right?

I am a builder. And God, if it ain't changing. Changing and moving.

Yeah. Yeah.

I struggle to maintain my passion, but some. When I come in here every week and see different faces, when I come in here every week and there's a fresh song jacks me up. When I come in here and see y' all put a twist on something or a chord progression that I've never heard, y' all do that stuff jacks me up. It's the intentionality of change. Even little things. Little things. I tell people I have about four different ways I drive to work.

Yeah.

On purpose.

Wow.

I'm not gonna get in a rut.

Right.

You know, I just. I'm intentional about making sure the scenery in front of me.

Yeah.

Is a Little bit different. So to me, it's an overflow of my relationship with God. And number two, it's the intentionality of some new, fresh change. It don't have to be sweeping change.

Yeah.

Like this transfer conference. I've had people say, okay, your eyes are lit up a little bit more. I can tell. Your voice goes up. And you start talking about, you know why? Because I've never done one like this before.

Yeah. Absolutely different.

Yeah.

I have never done one like this.

Yeah.

And so I can. I got a little bit of giddy in me that I'm just like, y'. All. I'm not exactly sure what. I'm leading it, and I'm not exactly sure what. What's going to happen. Yeah.

Right.

I'm talking too much. Y' all talking.

But it's amazing. And what else? We're appreciative of having a leader like you, like the things you're describing, it's. It's an anom. It doesn't exist. And if it does, the passion, it normally runs out. If you weren't a builder, where you had. Where you knew the season had catapulted, that there in Greenville would have been it. People would host, and that would be their celebration. I was just listening to John Maxwell the other day, and he said, in the five levels, of course, you know this. But if you peak at that top level and you live in there and it becomes, like, mundane at some point in time, so you never peak.

Right.

You have a cycle. Cycles of circle. You have a cycle, and when you complete a cycle right here, you got a little opening.

Yeah.

And you can jet out and begin another cycle, or you can go back around again.

Yeah.

And I felt this, and I'm like, yeah. I don't want to take the rest of my life and repeat the same cycle.

Exactly.

Shift, pivot, and then move and create a whole new cycle. And now God has given me on both coasts, and I have people saying God, that makes me tired just hearing it. And I'm like, I feel like I've been born again. I get new every week.

Yeah, you look young.

I don't have. Thank you. I'll take that. I don't have to walk around the same offices. I don't have to see the same faces. I get cultural differences. I get all this stuff, and I'm like, man, that jacks me up. And so I don't know what it takes for other people to maintain their passion. But these are just a little things. Trinity. What do you do? You've Been doing this a long time. You're not old, but you've been doing this since you were real young.

The same way, I mean.

And you're a church girl, right? So you've been around it your whole life.

Yes, but like you said, I love to change up something. They can tell you all the time. Just fresh oil, a little something or fresh revelation, new scripture on it, or just something else that relates. And, yeah, it helps me every time. Same thing, too, with location, like, going from place to place. But I don't know how you would tell somebody else to have that same kind of heart. Like, how do you. How would they be just as excited to have change?

Yeah.

Like you said, some people are, like, resistant to change. They want.

Do you like change or you like. You like structure? Like, it kind of just. You kind of like to know what you're getting.

I think I'm in the middle somewhere. I love tradition, and I love.

Okay. You probably just freaked a lot of people out. I don't think that they would not have. They would not have paid you.

Not in a bad way. But, like, I love that my grandparents have pastored the same church since I was a little girl and that I can go walk back.

There's some churchy things you love.

Yes. Yeah. Maybe that's what it is, more than tradition.

Yeah.

I'm nostalgic, and I really, really honor, like, legacy and things that happened before me. But I love getting to put a twist on something older. I think that's why I love taking these hymns.

Yeah.

And putting them on these songs and.

Doing them in a fresh show me your face.

Exactly.

Okay. They sung that on the west coast. Y' all weren't there. Ashley and Andrew were there on the west coast. I see east coast. I'm sorry. They sung that. And we had some visitors at the church that Hope knows. And they text Hope. They said. They said, where can I hear this show me your face song? Yeah. You know, talking about. And. And what is that? That's an old song with a twist. We put a twist and did something fresh to it.

Yeah.

And it's. That's a lot of people's favorite song.

Actually right there, telling them how much I love singing it because it's cool to get to sing in other places. And there are people who. It's their first time hearing it. It feels like a brand new song to them. And then you have people that grew up on. Feels nostalgic to them. And I think that's been something that's so fun for our Team is getting to take those old songs and give them a fresh twist.

Me and Terence traveled all over the place. And the reason I wanted Terrence to go with me is because I never wanted to have to just accept the atmosphere that I was given.

Right.

And I know that unless there's a minstrel that understands the power of sound, you can't. You can't. You just got to accept it and roll with it. But when you got somebody to do that, you can move a room and make your head in a different direction.

That's true.

Okay. That's what me and Terrence do. We've done it for years. What do y' all do when you're asked to come somewhere and lead worship? And let's don't call names, but you go in there and you're like, oh, you know, I got my work cut out for me tonight. What do y' all do?

I've had some rough experiences. Oh, yes, sir. Because I still travel by myself. So I'm kind of. I'm using the house band when I'm there, which sometimes is great and sometimes.

Depending on the church.

But I think one thing that I've learned over time is that normally me coming in on my own, I can bring something. Even if it's me just pushing the musicians, that they do have to be a little bit more out of their comfort zone. I can at least do that. Or sometimes I can't flow as much as I can here because the instrument, the musicians can't do it. But I'll just talk through a song or I'll keep singing it over and over again and just try to push their worship culture. Maybe it won't be what we do here, but at least I can and push.

Yeah. What do you do?

I do similar, too. Like, I call it having different tools in the tool belt.

Yeah.

So I know if I go somewhere and they can't, you know, go maybe to the style I would want to, I just kind of shift to, you know, become a chameleon again.

You have to.

But also, I mean, when there's resistance or what have you in the atmosphere, I'm praying, I'm exhorting. I like to answer the unanswered questions. So if I'm singing, you know, spirit, come rest on us, I'm gonna answer why we need the spirit to rest. Yes. What happens when he comes and, you know, just speak to those things that would hopefully encourage the faith and help them to latch on to where I'm at.

You're elite musician. You're a producer and you have a lot of other skill sets. You've been around long enough to see some stuff and you're a church boy. Your dad's still pastoring. He's 80.

No, no, no. He's turned 77.

77.

He's getting close.

So you're a church boy. Everybody here's church. I'm a pk. I didn't even think about that till I was just now. What is a characteristic that you have seen consistently, no matter what generation, in a powerful worship leader? Because you've seen the Fred Hammonds, you've seen the Gary Olivers, you've seen the Clint Browns, you've seen the Cheryl Brady's and now you see the Lizzies and the Trinity. What is someone you see Natasha Cobbs. What is a characteristic? The people that could move a room, they all had this. I know I'm putting you on spot.

I mean I would definitely say confidence if that's considered a characteristic. You know, that's true. Personalities may all be different, you know. You know, there's some people who that have powerful gifts and off the stage, I mean they're introverted, they may not say five words to each other, but I think the confidence it takes that. I remember living in Atlanta, it was right when Tausa I was at William Murphy's for a little while and I think Break Every Chain might have been one of our first ones that took off, that exploded. Yeah. And she was there at the time and transitioning into being more of a itinerant worship leader. And I mean just her command of what it was, no matter what was happening in that atmosphere. And I mean that's William Murphy's church. But he knew he could lean on her to do that. So you bring up Tasha. But I think all the work, these guys here, they're, they're delivering their confidence in any environment that they get in is I'm off. I'm often as a menstrual taking direction. I prefer a confident worship leader to work with because then I can get clear direction and the confidence releases the anointed and we're all flowing from the same vein. Then it's like I'm, I'm a lot of times anticipating where they're going because we're all our confidence is coming from the same direct same as it is when we minister together.

Yeah.

You know, I have no clue exactly what I'm going to play or where I'm going to flow, but I'm confident at what I'm doing and I know that you're confident in what you're doing.

And we meet and somehow it works.

Yeah.

Do you still get nervous?

I do, yeah, I do. I. I get nervous if I'm not nervous.

Right.

Because I want to be a little nervous. I don't want to be too calm, like confident in. I know what you mean. Authority and command in the room. But I always want to feel that thing. I feel like before, anytime I get on stage, I'm like, lord, if you don't do it, I can't do it without living.

If you don't go out there, I'm not going out there.

Exactly.

Every single time I have been out there when I felt like God wasn't with me and I couldn't wait to get that mic down, that's a terrible feeling. And I know it's probably not true, but what it really means is, you know, Jesus said, you know, when you go, he said, you know, let your peace fall upon it. He said, if your peace comes back at you, wipe the dust off your feet. What that means is there's some places that we're not ready to embrace your gift and what you're experiencing is coming back at you. It's not being embraced. And so there have been places where I've been and I just felt like a failure. I mean, just any. Just totally ineffective. And that is a horrible feeling. But it don't mean I wasn't prayed up, it don't mean I wasn't prepared. Are some places that they're not ready to receive how God's packaged you? Wow.

Yeah, that's good. You know, you're ahead of your time.

You run up on one of them.

Yeah, yeah. Not too often, but yeah.

Cuz a lot of times, I think now a lot of people, when they ask you, though, they know what they're getting.

They know what they're getting. Theory.

What is the answer to your question? What would you say because you've seen so many worship leaders, what do you.

Think is the thing.

You'Ve had so many worship leaders over the years?

Not self confident. Yeah, no, he said confident, not. Not self confidence.

Right.

But I would probably agree with Terence. It is. When they grab the mic, they know who they are.

Yeah.

And they know what they've got.

Yeah, yeah.

Does that make sense? They know who they are. Because let me tell you what I don't like. I don't like a timid worship leader. I did not say I didn't like a humble one. There's a difference. I don't like a Timid worship leader. Because whatever's on the stage spreads through the whole room. And when I know you're not confident, I'm out there on the second row and I'm not confident. Now I'm nervous for you. I'm not even worshiping God. I'm nervous for you because I can tell you're wide eyed and you're not even sure where you're going to do. Confidence in your command of the room. And that makes me nervous. And so I. I would probably agree with Terrence that they, you know, this is my skill set.

Yes.

This is what I do. This is what God has given me. And they are very confident in what they bring to the table.

Yeah.

And a lot of times don't try to get outside of it.

Exactly.

You know, there's some preachers that don't need to try to lead worship and there's some worship leaders don't need to try to preach.

Absolutely.

And. All right, we got a few more minutes. Let me hit y' all with another question. All right. Let me go back to Trinity and. And Lizzy on this. Have you ever just bombed? And how did you. What do you do to cope with that? Have you ever just, God, get me off this stage?

Yes.

Yes, I have.

You have?

Yes. Just bombed.

I'm a pk. I've been singing since I was.

Was six.

I'm absolutely bombed. Especially youth group days. I will never forget. Oh, my gosh. I was in the youth band. It was thick. It was oily. And I remember saying with my hands stretched out while I said, just picture Jesus with those needles in his hands.

Needles in Jesus.

I had no idea. And after we got done, all my friends were dogging me out. They were saying, Jesus had needles in his hand. But absolutely I have bombed. But I'm grateful for good leadership. That told me to keep going because I would have quit. Oh, gosh. But I've just said stupid stuff and I've sang in the wrong keys. I've done it all. But that's why I'm grateful to have like a home church that I got to practice in.

Yeah, no, same.

Yes.

I mean, I have had a moment where I said something like, when talking exhortations are hard, that's the first part.

That's the hardest part.

Yeah. And I was trying to do more. You know how you bite off more.

Than you could choose. Yeah, yeah.

When you say a scripture that might not have been right or something like that. Plenty of those.

Oh, yes.

Sometimes there aren't always, you know, mentors or good pastors that will encourage. They might, you know, make a joke or jab at you later.

Right.

So that didn't really feel comfortable. But at the end of the day, I realized my best is good enough. And I gave God my best, like I practiced. That's what came out. We'll get them next time. You know what I mean? You clean it up if you can, or they'll come clean it up.

You went with me to preach Manpower, didn't you? Did you go with me the year I preached Manpower?

So I hadn't started with you, but I was there. I was there with the Brady's, the biggest bomb.

I felt manpower, 10,000 men. Oh, man. When I tell you that place was packed. That place was packed.

Oh, no.

And it was the first time Bishop Jakes had ever asked me to preach, and it was at Manpower.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

I can't imagine.

And, yeah, I felt it.

Nerves.

I felt it, really. But here's what happened because it's. It's. It's my. It's. It's what's on me. I was up there 10 to 12 minutes.

Yeah.

And the place come unraveled.

Oh, no.

Just unravel. And everybody started rushing the stage, giving an offering. Yeah. Well, okay. And my. When I tell you it came unraveled, I mean, the preaching was over. Wow. I couldn't get it back. And then you got 10,000 people trying to get to the stage with. No. I didn't even say nothing about money. Wow.

Yeah.

But I. You know, when the. When the Prince of preachers ask you to come preach.

Yeah.

You want to do a good job. And I'm a third of the way into a very. A message I've prepared for months.

Oh, gosh.

And never got to finish it because the thing came unraveled. And then the offering started taking so long, Bishop had to come get the mic and start moving and orchestrating things around because it was going all into the next session. And I'm sitting there on the side, you know, and I'm just thinking, no, you're not.

Oh, no.

Lord of all times. You know, I didn't get. When you. And my message is when you don't get to finish them, they don't make sense because 1 leads to number 2 and 2 leads to numbers. And 1, 2, and 3 make number 4 make sense.

Right.

So I just went up there like, that's the worst message I've ever preached. There was chaos. And I just threw the whole conference off. I had a general morning session. It Was everybody. But it was in the morning. I messed up the whole rest of the day and he had to come and rescue it. And I left there feeling like, lord, if you just tip me out of here right now and I'll go hide and never come back and show my face again. No, he didn't. He was very gracious. Okay. But. But I mean, on that stage, you know, of all time, imagine worship that.

Really?

That same night, that night there.

Oh, Lord.

He came out there and he. They gave him out like 15 minutes to do his thing.

I think you have to gauge the measurement of success at that point.

I think so too.

Because I think if you had a response like the people were spiritually led to.

Yeah.

They probably.

Was pandemonium. Do you remember that? It came unraveled.

It was phenomenal. That's how I. I started googling you after that. I didn't know who you were at the time.

Oh, wow.

I was like, who is this white man that's going crazy like this? It was a very successful one. I know you were on the other side of it, but. No. Yeah.

Well, what happened was, you know, I have an anointing sometime that creates chaos.

Yes.

Yes, sir, it is. I try to hold these to about a half hour now. Transfer. This is our last push on any of our podcasts or we'll do some social media stuff. But on anything like this or tv, to talk to you guys about it. We are. We probably have about 800 more spaces for people to register. Registration is free. Don't cost anything. Register. But we're going to hold the seats.

Yes.

So if you register, please come.

Right.

Because we cut it off for other people who would have loved to have been here.

Okay.

So being three weeks out.

Yeah.

And already being about 70% full on registration, that is way ahead of normal because most time, everybody does it the week up. And so we're. We're doing pretty good as far as that's concerned.

Me.

That's going to be amazing.

This is not a preach a thon. This is not a normal conference where you know who's going to out sing who, who's going to out preach who, who sells the most merch. None of that. Right. I don't want to say this is a prophetic word, but I'm going to tell you what I'm sensing. I'm sensing that this conference could be the birth of a move.

Wow.

Absolutely. I agree.

Something that just spreads from east. I mean, from west to east and spreads throughout the nation. You say that's Mighty ambitious. I don't know. But when I came to the West Coast, I didn't come to the west coast to. To just build a big church. I really felt like God wanted me to be. To instigate. Be a part or something. Participate in a move.

Yes.

And I don't know what that looks like, but I know that everybody sitting at this table, all the rest of red worship, and everybody that is redemption, who's hosting it. I do know that we're praying and believing for something. God, just show up.

Yes.

Yeah. Just show up. And I know that. And. And. And I've almost been tempted to lean on my crutch of, okay, if it ain't going good, I'm gonna prepare this or, yeah, I'm gonna have this sermon in my back pocket. And I'm like, no, God doesn't disappoint.

Right, Right, that part.

God does not disappoint. And we want God. We're gonna chase God, and we're making space for God, and we want everybody to be a part of it. So if you. You can get some plane tickets, if you can drive, it don't matter. We just want you to be here May 7th through the 9th, Wednesday night through Friday night. Correct. And then a young adult after party after that, which is going to be really cool. We just got this last project out with 12 songs.

Yeah, 13.

13 songs. And it's doing really well. Thank you guys for supporting and thank you all that you're doing. Yes. These guys have been grinding it out. I've been watching them, and they've been consistent. And when you stay with something consistently, if you're faithful over a little, God will make you ruler over much. And so I appreciate the time y' all put in. I love these guys. We love what we do, and we love serving you.

Yes.

And until next time, Ms. Ron and Hope Unfiltered, real raw and relevant. You guys stay safe. Blessings, and hopefully we'll see you at transfer.

Yes.