[EP 18] Happy Money Secrets with Ken Honda

Foreign. Hello everyone and welcome back to the Jack Canfield Podcast. And today we're diving into a topic that's close to my heart, something called the Art of Happy Money with my good friend, Ken Honda. Now, first I'd like to give you a little background on Ken. Ken's a best selling self development author in Japan with book sales surpassing over 8 million copies since 2001. His latest book is called Happy the Japanese Art of Making Peace with your Money. It's a new book coming out soon. And Ken has been a business consultant, a successful investor. He's a finance expertise which comes from owning and managing several businesses, including an accounting company, a management consulting firm and a venture capital corporation. But Ken's expertise goes way beyond just money and and finance. His knowledge and writings bridge the topics of finance and self help, focusing on creating and generating personal wealth and happiness through developing deeper self awareness and self honesty. In his mentoring programs, business seminars and correspondence courses have been called therapeutic. I've actually witnessed Ken working with people. It's amazing what he does. Take advantage of him in the future if he can. Now Ken also is the first person from Japan to be voted into the Transformational Leadership Council, which is a group I started of professional and personal development leaders about 20 years ago. Includes people like John Gray, Men are from Mars, Lisa Nichols from the Secret, Mary Morrissey from the Brave Thinking Institute, Marcy Schaimoff, Dave Asprey, Eric Edmunds, Joe Vitaly, Vishen Lakhiani from Mindvalley. So good company. Now. Ken is fluent in Japanese, English and Spanish and currently resides in Tokyo, Japan. And as you'll soon experience, Ken's a pioneer in marrying the concepts of money and happiness in ways that transform lives. And today we're going to explore how your emotions and beliefs about money shape your financial reality and how shifting these can lead to not just financial peace and prosperity, but the lifelong happiness that most of us are pursuing. We're all about actionable action, action here and advice. So get ready to learn how to heal your relationships with money, tackle financial stress and infuse more joy into all your financial transactions. Ken, it's always a pleasure to have you and have these conversations with you. So welcome.

Thank you so much, Jack. This has been my dream, so I feel my dream come true. I just pulled up your Japanese version of success principles here, you know, and I. Wow. Yes. It's been many years since I picked it up. Almost like 20 years. Right. So I'm so excited that I'm on your show.

Well, I'm excited To have you here. I value our friendship. I value what you teach, your counseling. You invited me over to Tokyo a number of years ago. We got to go to Buddhist temples and Shinto temples and we did where we go, we went to sumo wrestling, we went to one of the greatest sushi wrestlers.

That's right.

Been in my life. You are the, you're the. What's the consummate host. So I appreciate you and the generosity. I know generosity is a big part of your life and we'll talk about that. But let's start by talking about your book Happy Money, which has transformed how many of us talk about our finances. Can you share the core philosophy behind Happy money and how it came into being?

I was born into a successful tax accountant father. My mother was a stay at home mom. And it was a very unique family because my father started teaching about money since I was five or six. He used to teach me about small business and big business. And one day he wanted me to succeed, take over his accounting firm and all the other things. So he started teaching me about money. As I grew up, I witnessed a lot of my father's clients go up and down in business and also with money and life. So I have learned like a mini version of what you wrote in your book, Success Principles. So by the time, by the time I was 20, I thought I knew pretty much about money and work. So I started my own company and I was successful enough to retire at the age 29 for my baby girl, whom you met at Teal Transformation Leadership Council. So I retired for four years. And during this four years, semi retirement, I came up with this vision of writing a book. Writing a book was sort of my dream. But I was low an accounting major. So like I was far from writing. I love books. So one day I sat down, I started writing and then a lot started to come up and I wanted to write about happiness and money that eventually became this book, Happy Money in English.

Let's talk about what's the core concept. Normally I don't think about money being happy or happy money. And you share some really, I think radical breakthrough ideas. Share some of those with us right now.

You know, I realize, and also I've been taught by my great mentors and my mentor said there are two kinds of money, happy money and unhappy money. You will know it because when you receive it, happy money opens up your heart and because it comes with gratitude. For example, your best clients usually appreciate the most and then they give you the the most money. So you feel so appreciative because out of say, 20,000 other coaches, he or she picked me. Wow. Thank you. And that is happy money. And also, when you pay bills, you fill out appreciation, not obligation. You pay at the restaurant cashier. Wow, your meal is amazing. You know, thank you so much. Or you buy something at the shopping mall and say thank you. And also, my mentor was so happy to pay even taxes when he had to pay millions of dollars and because he knew his tax dollars were going to contribute building hospitals and schools and help other people in need. So whatever you do, you do it out of appreciation. That is happy money. And on the other hand, unfortunately, 95% of us are in the flow of unhappy money, which makes us feel small and also makes us feel irritated when we pay bills and also when we pay for things. So happy money makes you open up and grow. Unhappy money makes you small and contained. That's the difference.

So it's an attitude that you have in terms of both giving and receiving.

Yes, exactly. So it doesn't really matter how much money you have or how much money you make. Even though you could be a billionaire, I'm sure, Jack, you're among your great successful friends or clients. There could be people who are always appreciative and there are those who are very unhappy because they're not satisfied with what they got. So I think as a person, people with happy money, with less money could be much, much happier than the billionaires who have billions of dollars, but not exactly happy with what they have.

You mentioned your mentor. I've heard you talk about him several times. You've even written a book about him, co authored a book about him. Tell us a little about him and his philosophy of arigato. Could you do that?

So Wahei Takeda was my mentor. He passed away a few years ago. He used to be called Warren Buffett of Japan. He was one of the most successful individual investor in Japan. And he was once a major shareholder of more than 100 public companies in Japan. There are only 3,000 public companies in Japan. So he owns a bit of Japan and he loved teaching young people. So one day I was in a long line having a 10 second private time with Wahei Takera. Why would you ask Warren Buffett if you have 10 seconds? So I thought for many hours and came up with this question, Mr. Wahei, what is the secret of money? I thought, it's a good question. And he said, arigatoyo, money. That means thank your money. And then I got pushed out of the long line and I never Had a chance to ask him about what is arigatoyo money? But I was so lucky to be invited back because he kind of liked my attitude. So I had like this time, three hours with his private time. So he explained about appreciation is a key. Inviting happy money is a key of happy success. So by doing that, you have to find your heart, you have to find your gift, you have to do what you love most and serve people. And as a result it comes back. It's exactly the teachings that Jack Canfield is doing. That's why I'm very attracted to your work. So Wahe focused on thanking money. And also he was so generous. One time we're at the restaurant and then he congratulated the waiting person's smile. You know, we do that all the time. But instead of just compliments he brought in, he brought up, took up one of his solid gold coin and gave it to her. And she was so surprised because it weighs so heavy. And he said, it's for you, for a good smile. She cries and just walks over and I ask him the question, you just did a great thing, but you lost about what thousand dollar gold coin for just a smile? And he said, no, no, no, I did a shopping. I bought the lifetime of smile. You know, she's going to keep smiling more because of the gold coin. That means she's going to smile for the rest of her life. So for me, it's like I bought her smile for a lifetime. That's a good bargain, isn't it? And he was laughing. So that's who he was.

It's amazing. It's amazing. Now I read somewhere that he used to like just be repeating to himself all day long like a chant, arigato arigato, which is thank you in Japanese. Is that correct?

Yes. He studied this funny, mysterious thing called arigato marathon. That means you are supposed to say arigato 3,000 times. You can do it like 30 minutes, 40 minutes. If you keep saying arigato, arigato arigato. It can be gracias, gracias or thank you, thank you, thank you in your shower, in your walk, in your meditation. So this arigato meditation 3000 times a day translates into a million arigato in a year. So he says if you keep repeating this arigato mantra one million times, miracles happen. So that's also another book I'm going to write in English in the next few years. The Miracles of Arigato. I've seen all the interesting miracles, but also I'm sure you have seen the power of appreciation, and I'm sure you've told about it. So it's universal. It works.

Yeah. Well, the law of attraction says that the highest vibration is appreciation and gratitude and love and joy. And so basically, when you are doing anything, like repeating that affirmation or that mantra over and over or focusing on gratitude, doing a gratitude journal, whatever, what happens that brings your vibration up and then more things flow to you at that vibration. So whatever you're grateful for, you attract more of into your life. That's great. You've written a lot of books, you teach all over Japan. I've been with you when you had like a thousand people in the audience. And so what are some of the other major concepts that support this happy money idea that you are constantly sharing with people that they find so powerful and impactful that they want to come be with you?

Thank you. So I'm known as a happy money person in English, but I have written, I don't know, I have lost count, but physical books, about 200, I think. My original work is about 70 or 80. I'm an. I've written a few novels that I sold millions of copies. All of the theme is find who you are. So all my mentors come from Zen background. So knowing who you are, it's almost like the path to enlightenment is also a path to happy financial independence. So financial independence is something I've taught for decades. And in the process of teaching, I rediscovered in order to be financially independent, you have to do what you're good at. In order to find that, you have to find who you are, and the companies are the same. If your companies don't know what you're good at, you're going to fail. But if you know what you're good at, you as an individual, as companies, you're going to thrive. So you have to know who you are. You have to know what you're good at. You have to know why you're born to this planet. We are here to serve. So if we find who we are and then find special gifts, not one usually comes in three or four. So you have to multiply your gifts. That's my expertise. So finding your gifts and multiply them in your own unique blend, so then you become one and only, and people will be attracted to you. And you don't have to be so popular. You can only attract, say, two or 3,000 people. And if you can attract 3,000 people, you can make a living. I've shown people how to do it like I have one the largest online salons in Japan. That means subscription model. We used to have 20,000 people on the community. Now we have about a few thousand. But still, if you have a few thousand people who is happy to send you $10, you can make a comfortable income. So do what you love and be surrounded by people who love you, support you. You don't need to have a few thousand people only. You need only like 200 people. So if you can find or if you are found by 200 people on this planet, 7 billion people, 8 billion people, you can make a happy living. So do what you love and multiply the gifts. That is the basics of my teachings.

How do you help someone find out what their gifts are?

Yes, There are so many ways. I have taught over three decades. And one thing is that people just ask me, why do you spend so much money on that? For example, I loved going to seminars. You know, I have attended your private seminars and mentorship program. It's because I love it. And I'm sure, Jack, I've seen you privately at Transformation Leadership Council. You're the one who are taking most notes, right? And those people who love learning, who are likely to teach, that's my idea. So whatever you invest your time and money for me, learning for some people, cooking for some people, healing. So whatever you focus on spending, you are likely to do that work. So that is, for example, one thing. And then when you have little time, just observe what you're doing without thinking. You may be Internet surfing. You may be just talking about that. I've seen Dr. John Gray just talk to a janitor person in a hotel. I thought she was a close friend of his because I wanted to talk with him. I waited for like 20 minutes, and then she cried. And Dr. Gray hugged her. And I thought, she's like a longtime friend. I asked Dr. Gray who was she? And she said, I don't know. I just. I was taking a walk and just, you know, stumbled across her and just we got into a conversation and, you know, probably, obviously that she has some issues. So, like, for Dr. Gray, it's like a daily conversation of helping people. So if you are. If you are able to do what you love to do, you are in heaven and you're likely to be surrounded by your best clients.

Yeah, I read a quote once. I think it was the guy who invented the light bulb. And he said, when your vocation feels like a vacation, then you know you've made it. And I think that's really true. I've been with John when he's done that. We were in Las Vegas for, I think it was a book launch thing. And we went to a bar afterwards with the five of us, and he started talking to the bartender, this woman, she turns out she was a single mom. By the time he was finished, he knew her whole life. She was ready to sign up for whatever he would do because he shows such interest in relationships. And that's what he's all about. That's cool. I imagine you're familiar with this concept of ikigai. I learned about it. It's a Japanese thing about like and. And I find that really fascinating in relation to what you're talking about. The idea of like, find out what you love and then discover, you know, do. Do you do it well? And if you don't work on improving it, is it something that other people need and are they willing to pay for it? If you can answer yes to all those things, then you have your life purpose at some level. So I thought that was really interesting. And this become very popular, that whole concept of ikigai in the last few years.

Yes, exactly. So I'm writing a book on ikigai and happy money, because ikigai and happy money just almost like twins. So it's going to come out fairly soon. So the concept of doing what you love and happy money almost like the two sides of the same coin. So find your ikigai, your life purpose, and then happy money follows after. So that's another national bestseller I wrote, do what you love and make sure money follows you. Because oftentimes people do what they love, but they forget about money. So there could be a starving artist at the end.

Someone said recently, if you look back at your childhood and look at what did you love to do as a child when there was no, you know, you didn't have to make money and there weren't all these constrictions on you about meeting other people's needs and expectations that a lot of that will tell you what it is you love to do. And I found for me, I was always the leader when I was a kid, you know, I was the one who set up the baseball game and said, let's go play marbles and. And do that. And I was always teaching everything I knew to everyone else. And so here I am today, still being a teacher. Fascinating.

Interesting.

What did you love to do when you were a kid? I'm curious.

Yes. In fact, I gather like neighbor kids. And I think I remember I loved teaching about the rules of baseball. So I think I was A teacher then too. And one thing I teach is that what you were scolded most by your parents because that shows your gift. I was scolded for talking too much one time from a school card report from my third grade teacher. She said, to me or to my. To my mom, Ken talks more than I do, so tell him to shut up. During the classes, obviously I was chatting with my friends in the back. So I was scolded so many times. Just shut up, don't talk. And I ended up talking and I ended up getting paid by speaking. So what? You were scolded when you're a child, just remember that's. That's yours. That's your gift. Definitely.

That's funny. I love it. I love it. I love it. Oh my gosh. I. There's a famous American comedian named Jay Leno. I don't know if you ever heard of him. He had a talk show at night and he was in class at school. He was such a cut up and just telling jokes all the time that one of his teachers said, look, I'll give you the first 10 minutes of my class. You can do a stand up comedy routine if you'll let me have the last 40 minutes to teach history. And so that's what happened. That's how he managed to not get thrown out of school. Interesting.

I love about. That's why I love about America. American teachers are so great and resourceful. I know you were once a teacher. You know, Japanese teachers just, you know, if you do something like that, you'll be just thrown out of the classroom and you're supposed to stand for like two hours or something. So I love about America for being so flexible and being so open.

That's great. It's true. Not everyone is, but a lot of people are. You have a course now coming out soon called Happy Money Accelerator. You want to talk about that for a minute?

Thank you. So I'm doing a lot of things, but I'm teaching one. One concept a month. You know, I've been teaching about money, goal manifestation a lot, which I learned a lot from you. And also I'm learning about so many other things. So power relationships and power of money. Money iq, Money eq, Money Emotional intelligence and Money Financial intelligence. You need both. So stuff like that. I teach every month, so I already started the course. We have about 1500 people from all over the world. I teach in Japanese, so there will be simultaneous interpreter. But I'll just. I feel so shy about teaching in English yet. So when I feel more comfortable I'll start teaching in English.

Well, you're ready. I can tell you your, your English is much better than you think it is very understandable.

I think my passion is making it.

Yeah, well, it works. Let me ask you this. You mentioned money emotional intelligence. Can you talk about that a little bit? What is that?

So I, I have taught this thing called money eq. A lot of teachers, especially in America and Europe, they focus on money iq, which is financial intelligence, which is super important. But I found out that money EQ emotional intelligence is as important as money iq because the most financial savvy people make stupid mistakes emotionally and they end up in jail. They end up losing everything the head of hedge funds did too. What they do what? And then they lose all the money. So unless you have a healthy relationship with money emotionally, you can mess up big and also you cannot be happy. So financial emotional intelligence is important. So that's what I teach.

What would be an example of like you mentioned, like a hedge fund manager screws up or somebody loses their fortune or makes stupid investments or whatever. What's causing that? Like, what's the source of what's an example of a bad eq?

Yes. I think a lot of us are drawn to grow our money more. You know, one time I read a confession of a con artist and he said, there is only one kind of person that I cannot deceive. And he said, the people who are not interested in money. And it's so true, you know, coin artists cannot, cannot steal your money. A lot of people want to grow their money. That's why they just invest with this con artist. Right? So we have this great need to do more and get more. When you are emotionally off, you want to do more, eat more. And that's our problem. So our endless. We have this endless hunger or thirst for more money. So we have to know, tell ourselves how much food is enough, how much drink is enough, how much money is enough. Because if you just make about a million dollars, which is a big money, you are surrounded by all the friends who are making $3 million, and then you need to make more. And if you're surrounded by people who are making $5 million, people having helicopters, big boats and private jets, and then if you make about $100 million and then you're surrounded by people with big jets, so there is no end. So unless you know how to satisfy yourself, you always feel small. A friend of mine who has a private jet said he feels so small because whenever he pulls over to this special security terminal and then all the private jets are huge. His is like a tiny, tiny thing. So even if you are successful and financially well off, there's always somebody better. One time I read an article mega Jet owner complained about his jet's interior is too standard. All his friends ordered Hermes or Chanel or whatever. The seats are so as expensive as a jet. So if you just keep going up with the expensive stuff, there's no end. So that hunger and thirst for money is going to disturb your life.

You know, it's interesting, one of the concepts I learned early on in this whole human development work was the difference between content and context. And the content is like your jet. The interior design, the money you have in the bank, how many cars are in your garage, that's all content. But the context is the bowl that holds the content. And if the context is not enough, then no matter how much is in that bowl, the context is always not enough. So a million dollars, not enough. Billion dollars not enough. 100 million not enough. And so basically, most of us that I've worked with in my life feel like they're not enough. And as long as you have that context that I am not enough, then this desire to have more to prove that you are enough never works because the context is always not enough. So we have to change the container, which is your belief structure that holds all this content. And once you do that, then you don't have that constant thirst for more. You can be satisfied. And that's what we really want. We want to be happy and satisfied.

Yes, exactly. And Jack, since I'm in this position, may I ask you one question?

Sure.

I've known you for some years and know you're a very, very happy person and I highly respect you. How can you satisf yourself with what you have or I'm sure you have so much and you've achieved so much, but you know, you can do more. So as much as you can see that you can do more, how can you satisfy with where you are? I'm very curious from Zen perspective. Because you know how to do it.

Yeah, I have like really gone through a major transition in the last year. I always, you know, I'm 79 as we record this and I'll be 80 this summer coming up. And what happens is I always felt like I wanted to do more, make more of a difference. And I realized recently that part of that was coming from this sense of lack of significance, that I needed to do more to prove that I was significant, that I mattered, that I was worthy of taking up space on planet Earth, as one person described it. And I recently had an experience where I was working with some people on the importance of like forgiving the unforgivable. And I anyway, in that process, who came up in my mind was Vladimir Putin. And how could I forgive him for all the damage I think he's done. Millions of people died and so forth as a result of it. And as I began to get a sense of his life and how he's lived, I got that he really is driven by that same need to be significant. If I can put the Soviet Union back together and get Crimea and Ukraine and Poland and all these things and reunite them under one banner, then I will have done something significant in the world. And as soon as I had that realization, I remember I just had this image of my door into my office and you go into my office and three feet on either side is just wall to wall plaques and diplomas and pictures with presidents of the United States and all these things. It was proving that I was significant. And I would like literally go off travel for three days to go somewhere and give a free graduation speech at a university. And then he gave me an honorary doctorate which proved I was significant. And so I realized I don't need to do that anymore. And what's really true for me now is I'm not driven. I know I've done a lot of things. I made a difference. So that satisfied my. But really asking what brings me the greatest joy. I really believe after all the work I've done with the Law of Attraction, that joy is our feedback system that tells us if we're on track or not. And if I'm doing something and I'm resenting it, if I'm doing something and I wish I wasn't, I wish someone else was doing it, or it's too late at night, I'd rather be in bed or whatever, then I know that I'm off course. This is not taking me toward the fulfillment of my life purpose. So basically now using joy as my feedback system, if it's not bringing me joy, I'm not doing it. I'll say no, I'm not here to meet your expectations. I'm here to fulfill my purpose. And I know that joy is the essence of that. Like you talk about happy money, to me, happiness and joy are similar. I think there's a little bit of a qualitative difference. But for me it's not about proving I'm enough or doing enough or having enough anymore. I've got plenty and Certainly, you know, Oprah Winfrey has $3 billion. I don't think she's doing it what she does to get more money. She enjoys what she does. And so she's going to keep doing it because she enjoys it. And that's kind of how I am with my life now.

Beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing. Because all the viewers watching this are just getting so much out of it because I know you don't have to do this with me, but you're doing this out of generosity. And also, you know, you're impacting a lot of people this way, and I know you are enjoying it, too. So I so appreciate. In so many different ways.

Yeah, look, you're one of my favorite friends. We don't spend a lot of time together, but every time we are together, I just enjoy the heck out of it. And I love watching you teach. I love watching you interact with your daughter. I love watching you have a good time in your life. I mean, when we were in New Orleans last week at the Transformational Leadership Conference, I was going out to a sushi bar to have dinner, which was kind of ironic because you're Japanese and you were going out to see the jazz greats at the club was you were just having fun with your daughter, you know, and I was having fun with. With who I was with. But the point being that I think it's about enjoying yourself, because if you ask people, and there's a lot of research on this lately, that if you go to the bottom, if you had that, what would that give you? If you had that, what would that. What would the private jet give you? And now you got a big one with the air maze interior. And so what would that give you? Ultimately, at the bottom line of it, it's happiness. And I've often said to people, you don't have to spend $70,000 to feel happy. You know, they have a. You don't have to have a Mercedes Benz to be. I remember I was. This was early on in my work in human potential, and I was doing an exercise in a training where I was a, you know, student. And they were going like, well, what do you want? And I said, I want a new car. And what would that give you? Well, then I'd feel like I belong. Well, what does that mean? Well, when I stop at my traffic light in the town I'm living in in west la, Santa Monica, everyone's got a, you know, Mercedes Benz, an Audi, BMW. I don't feel quite like I belong. And so what do you really want? Well, I want to belong. If you belong, what would you feel? I'd feel happy. So what do you really want? I want to be happy. Do you really need to have a Mercedes Benz to be happy? No, just save myself $70,000, you know. So basically it's about pursuing the thing that gives you the greatest joy. And if you do that, like goes back to Ikigai. We see all these people living in the island in the south of Japan where I think that all started. And what happens is that you got these people that are 105 years old, grandmothers out playing with the kids, and people are working all day long, growing their vegetables, having fun, laughing together, dancing together, and they're fulfilled. And they don't have million dollar bank accounts, but they have friends, they have community, they have health, they have joy.

Exactly. So thank you for sharing your life. You're just another beautiful example. And at the age 80, not people can function as well as you do, physically, emotionally and mentally. Your response is 10 times faster than I think people in their 80s. So I have so much admiration and I'm so happy to. I'm just doing my best to translate yobok into Japanese again. So, you know, that way your teaching will just go on. And I'm so appreciative of what you have done and who you are.

Well, I appreciate you. Appreciate what you're continuing to do. And I move, I lift weights, I eat good food, I laugh a lot, I dance, I sleep, I do the things we're supposed to do.

You dance actually so well.

I do, yes.

Yes. I was so surprised at the way you dance. I enjoyed watching.

It's fun. I enjoy it. Good. I appreciate it. Well, we're running out of time here. I just want you to know I love you. I appreciate you. Thank you for being part of this. You're one of my favorite people on the planet and anything I didn't ask you that you want to speak to, any final words, we'll put your website and all that up on the, you know.

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. Well, the last thing, I think a few months after this will be released My True Wealth, My next book is coming out in North America and the world. So it's about a novel about the grandfather who leaves nine letters for his grandson, but no money. So this boy receives a package of nine letters from his grandfather and he sets off a journey. So I hope everybody watching this will take a look because this boy is guided by synchronicity. There are synchronicities everywhere. But we don't know that. We don't know how to read it, how to catch it, how to act on it. So especially young people, I want you to observe what's going on in the world and just pursue your synchronicity, true wealth.

Can you give us a clue what one of the letters contains?

The first letter is Synchronicity. And the letters that grandfather left. Each letter has a title. The second one is decision. So when he opens up one letter, he gets guided to new things. So, you know, I don't want to spoil the fun, but, you know, just. I think people will start hearing about this, you know, sooner. So I hope we'll pick it up, and then that will be the best time for your life.

So it's a lot of wisdom contained in a novel with nine letters. I love it.

Yes. So that somebody like you. Yeah. Thank you so much.

Yeah. Well, thank you, and give my love to your daughter and then your wife and just carry on. I look forward to being in Japan with you next time. Okay.

Yes, very soon. Thank you. Thank you, Jack and everybody.

Thanks all you who tuned in today for watching. I really appreciate you being part of this and hope you took some good notes. And make sure you check out Ken's book, Happy Money, and the one coming out soon called True Wealth. Ken literally is like a. Like an iceberg. You hear things up here, but when you read the book, there's just so much more wealth of depth of wealth underneath all that. So make sure you take advantage of both of those resources, and we'll see you again next time on the Jack Canfield Podcast.