From Witchcraft to Worship - A Former Witch Shares Her Powerful Story

Welcome to Beyond the Glitch, the podcast where we expose the darkness behind the issues affecting our lives and bring truth, hope, and healing into the light. From addiction and mental health to culture, faith, and the stories people are afraid to tell, nothing is off limits. I'm Jason Tremko, and together we're going beyond the glitch. All right, welcome to another episode of Beyond the Glitch, and today I'm very excited. We have a very special guest today and her husband as well, so I'm gonna introduce Mr. Dalton and Natalie Webb here in just a minute, and they are going to be talking about their journey of how they went from witchcraft to worship. And I know they got some really cool stuff to share with you guys, some awesome testimony, and, um, it's just going to be a great hour. So, uh, without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and bring them in so they can say hello. Oh, looks like they were already in there. Sorry about that, guys. All right, so yeah, okay, I think you're in there. All right, so, um, how y'all doing today?

We're still good. How are you?

Outstanding. All right, good stuff. So you guys, um, we'll be having some people coming in here shortly, I'm sure. And, uh, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourselves? You know, what, um, what brings you on the show today?

Do you want to go?

So my name is Natalie and I am an ex-witch, and I just recently switched over to following Jesus. And I was a witch for over 10 years of my life, but like dabbling in witchcraft since a 3-year-old, and then really, really heavily, just like it kind of snowballed and it became my life, it became my identity. And then, um, this is my husband, who was my ex-husband. When he prayed demons out of me, God delivered me through him. This is Dalton.

Hi, I'm Natalie's husband. I'm Dalton. I, uh, obviously I'm Nat's husband. I'm a tattoo artist here, uh, and, uh, yeah, I— we were— me and Natalie had both been like dabbling I say dabbling, but pretty heavily into the world and drugs and alcohol. And I was raised in church, and, uh, somewhere along the lines, you know, went out and found the world for myself and, uh, just immediately got off the course that God had laid out for me. And, uh, you know, the world just took hold of Wow.

So you guys, how long you guys been married?

So this second time that we've been married, what, like a, a year, a little over a year. It was a year in April. And then we were separated for a year probably. And then before that, married for about 4 years. So it's kind of like weird when people ask us that question because we were married, divorced and then remarried. But this is the only time in our lives that we've been married with Jesus in the middle. Like, it's a completely different marriage than before, right?

So I noticed, um, you know, you, you were kind of doing some social media stuff, and that's how I found you. Uh, do you want to tell us a little bit about that? You know, what, um, you know, what are you working on, you know, with your, your shop and stuff like that?

So we own a tattoo shop here in McLeansboro, Illinois. Dalton is our tattoo artist. Um, we both pierce And I recently just left the salon business. I've been a hairdresser for the past 20 years of my life. That's how I paid my bills. I've worked all around the world doing hair, red carpet events, fashion shows, celebrity stylist. Like, that was my whole identity. That's like what I did to make money. And, um, after leaving witchcraft and following Jesus, he's like, hair is just not where you're supposed to be spending your time anymore. So I recently packed up all my hair stuff. I sold it all. I don't even own anything to do with hair anymore, which is crazy because that's how I paid my bills for the past 20 years. And starting more of a social media presence, just— I'm just going to be sharing the gospel and sharing my testimony. You know, I feel like as a Christian, there's two things that we have. We have our testimony, like what Jesus Christ has personally done for us in our lives, and we have the word. We can share the gospel, you know. Anything else, like my ideas or anything like that, doesn't matter. It's just my truth of my testimony in the gospel. So that's what I'll be sharing.

Yeah. So, you know, to, to go from witchcraft to where you're like, I'm kind of, you know, taking out my cross and following, you know, Jesus and kind of just taking a bold move, I mean, something drastic had to have changed in your life, you know. So, uh, tell us a little bit about, you know, what your, you know, your past was like compared to where you are now as a, as a follower of Christ. What, you know, how, how much better is your life at this point?

So my past, like, I always have been searching. Like, I would travel the entire world. Like, I was a celebrity stylist doing hair in the Hollywood Hills, like, any Fashion Week. Like, I was living like the life that anybody would want to live. And like, that still wasn't enough. So I turned to like sex, drugs, alcohol, just all of these things that a lot of people like try to fill this hole. And I didn't know that what I was trying to fill was the void that like I didn't have Jesus in my heart. So then I turned into a witch, you know, basically. I was doing witchcraft every single day, like from 5:30 AM until the end of the day.

Wow.

And it's really crazy. I'm a horrible alcoholic. I drink every single day.

Are you hearing an echo?

I'm hearing an echo in my ear. It's like lagging. Is there anything I can do on my end?

You may be able to see there might be an echo cancellation button on there somewhere that you can click. Let's see if it'll let me do it for you. Basically, if you go to your, your audio settings, you should be able to click echo cancellation.

We have the little three dots here that says people panel, mute my speaker, uh, video button, um, a mute button. That's all.

Hmm, see if I can—

I wonder how it would be causing it.

Hmm, I don't know. I'm not getting anything on my side. We're both using headphones, we should be good there.

You hear it now?

Uh, sounds a little better on my end.

Okay, we'll just— because it's about like 10 seconds. Oh, does that make sense? It's like lagging, so it's confusing me. But, um, so I was doing witchcraft every single day, all day long, um, feeding actual spirits. Like, I was doing Reiki for clients, energy work. I was hosting ceremonies at my house. I was hosting rituals at my house. My clients that I had, like, I would literally feed actual food to demonic spirits. And they would like tell me everything I needed to know about my client. Like, that's how like in and tight with the demons that I were. But I didn't think they were demons at the time. I thought they were my spiritual guides, and I thought that they were like angels and maybe aliens, and just like all of these different things were speaking to me. Now looking back, I'm like, those were demons. But the craziest thing was like me and their relationship was so tight that I would lay out food in a bowl for them and they like, but at the end of the day, that food would be gone and I would feed them every single day chocolate and they would take it and then I would have a client come in and could see all of this stuff. So like I'm doing this all day long, had no idea that I was hanging out with demons all day long and inviting them into our home. And it got really crazy. It got really crazy towards the end. We were divorced and the thought of Jesus in my life like freaked me out. I thought it was disgusting. I did. I had no idea that I had allowed demonic spirits inside of me at this point until the night that I was delivered. Dalton came over and like that's a whole different story. A wild one, um, but it was a really crazy experience for me. I had no idea that I had demonic spirits inside of me, and I never— I don't think that I ever would have went to follow Jesus or like let Jesus into my heart unless something this dramatic would have happened.

Yeah.

Do you think that, knowing me?

No, there's no way. Uh, there's— I, I like— I— we talk to people every day about Jesus. In the shop, you know, how many guests are in and out of here. And whenever I'm telling my testimony, and, you know, like, some people, you know, you hear the question like, oh, how do you know this is real? Well, how do you know this is real? You know, or like, okay, well, your hat says Jesus is King. How? Like, they always ask that question. And I— the first thing that pops into my mind And anybody that knows Nat knows that, like, there's not a person that I knew or that I think anybody could know that hated the gospel more than Nat. She made fun of it. She mocked it.

I burnt Bibles. I was burning Bibles.

Wow.

Used to burn them. Yeah, she thought it was so stupid, like, mocked it.

It was disgusting to me.

And, uh, Like, I remember, this is just one instance, our son— a Christian song came on, it was an old DC Talk song. I don't know if you remember DC Talk. Oh yeah, definitely. And, uh, our son learned to rap, uh, there was a man from the desert with gnats on his head, and, and then he did that. He was talking about John the Baptist. And Ira was— our son was doing the rap. He started singing, he was a Jesus freak. And I remember Natalie came to me and she said, if I ever hear him sing a song like that again, he won't know your name. Wow. He won't know your name when he gets older. Yeah. And I, at that point, I think I realized like, this is not just, you know, 'the normal— a normal thing here. This, this is bonkers.' And she would get vile about it. Wow.

Um, so, so what, what, um, yeah, so you were, you were, uh, you were saved first, correct? And what was it that, that led you to Jesus? You know, what was that defining thing that led you to Jesus?

Man, I was, I was so like in the world. I, and, and nobody really knew like how bad it was. My brother knew, my little brother. Um, Natalie, I think, knew to, to a point. She knew a little bit, but I was a drug addict, alcoholic, um, addicted to— I say pornography, but I was addicted to, to any addicted to lust. I was addicted to, like, to women and drugs and alcohol and all these things. And, um, you know, it just— I was raised in it in church, and, and I thought I knew Jesus, but I got away from it, and the enemy had put a veil over my eyes. That's not real. That stuff's not real. You're your own god. And that's what I believed at a point, you know. I'm— we're our own gods, and and these things. And, you know, in the Book of Genesis it says God looked down on man and saw that every thought he had was consistently and totally evil. And now it just hits me like, we suck. We do. We're just terrible. And if we're left to our own vices, we become these people, these horrible people. And so if your own God— you're your own God— like, how scary is that? That is terrifying to me. Yeah, I am I just— I was indulging in the world, and the more I thought these things would fill me up, the more it left me empty every time. And I was just a depressed mess. And I remember my mama was begging me to go to church. My whole family was going to this church, and I, I went one Sunday just to you know, hush them up. And I went, and I remember just sitting in that pew and listening to the music. And then the pastor came up and, and he was sharing a message, and I just remember weeping because I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit. And it was like a veil had lifted off my eyes, and I just thought, what have you done? Like, what have you done, man? You're, um, you're dying and going to hell, and you're taking your little boy and your, and your wife with you. And, um, you know, the first day me and Natalie ever hung out, my daddy stopped her. My dad was my neighbor, and he stopped me outside and he said, I need to talk to you, talk to you for a minute. You're gonna think I'm crazy. And he said, uh, you and my son are going to get together, you guys are going to get married. He said, then you guys are going to have a little boy. She was like, okay. This was day one of us hanging out, so she's probably— this guy's insane. And, um, he said, but you know, you guys are gonna split. And he said, but that's okay because you guys are going to get back together. You guys are going to find Jesus and you're going to do this the right way. He said, because your calling is tied to my son. He said, my son's calling is tied to you. She said okay and walked off. Word for word what the man said happened. Wow. Word for word. God, you know, I think had it it was planned that me and Natalie would be in each other's lives and we would do these things. Um, but we were off track, you know, we were off track. Um, I was— I remember I come home from church and just was chasing Jesus, and the more I chased Jesus, the farther me and that grew from each other, and I realized I'm losing her. I'm losing her and my little boy, and I love them, you know. And so I just, I stopped going to church, and I just, I started putting her first and my son first. And everything I touched from that point on just died. Everything was going sour. And, um, I remember that went on for like 5, 5 or 6 months, and I just had a, uh, a breakdown. Everything was going wrong, and I just— I hit my knees one day. I owned a rent house, and I was, um, sitting in the rent house, and I just hit my knees one day, and I was weeping, and I said, God, you know, if, if there's things in my life that are not of you, I don't want them anymore. I give up. I said, I give up. I don't want this world anymore. I want you know, what, what you have to offer me, and that's it. I just want you. And, uh, an hour later, Natalie looked at me and she said, I don't love you anymore, I love somebody else. And she left me. And, you know, a lot of people want God to take over and handle things, you know, like, God, I'm trusting you. And then when he starts the process, they're like, whoa, you know, this is not what I had in, in And I, you know, this is not what I had in mind, but, um, and that's how it was. I, I went home, uh, and I put a pistol in my mouth. And I, I remember I'd been in church for so long when I was a kid up until a certain point, and I'd never heard God speak. And, uh, I was walking to the bedroom to do that, and he spoke to me. He said, Dalton, am I not bigger than all of this? And I got to the back room and I got in, you know, I sat down and my son's stuff was behind me. I saw it in the TV reflection and I didn't want to get anything on his stuff. So I got up and moved it off the bed and I sat back down and God spoke to me again. There was a voice telling me, just hurry, just do it, just do it. Wow. And then there was a soft voice that spoke through to me. And it said, be still, I'm working upstream. And I just, I snapped out of it. I took a breath and I grabbed my phone and I called my mama. And all, that's all I could get out to her. She answered, hello. And I said, Mama. And she said, I'm coming, stay on the phone, I'm coming. She knew. And my mama moved in with me for about a week or two, just praying over my house, over my home, pouring scripture into me, uh, and, you know, just all these things and encouraging me. Wow. And my best friend, you know, he knew how I was at the time, and he said, buddy, have you ever— you ever had a Bible? And I said, yeah, when I was a kid I did. And he— the next day I woke up and there was a Bible on my porch. He had sent one. And, uh, I just started consuming the word. And I always say there's a difference between giving your heart to Jesus and fully surrendering to him. And in that moment, I fully surrendered my life to him. Um, and that's, that's how I found Jesus. I, I hit rock bottom. I say I come to the end of myself, and luckily that was to the feet of Jesus. And he was right there. So yeah, wow.

Yeah, you were, you were right in the, the front lines of spiritual warfare there.

Yeah.

So, so Natalie, um, you know, what kind of led to you finding Jesus? You know, what, what was it that, that defining thing that happened in your life that kind of led you to Jesus and kind of led us to where we are now?

Did you get saved like 3 months before I did.

Yeah, yeah, I— it was about— it was about 3, 3 months, I would say. I was— I prayed every night for that. Not that, you know, that she would come back to me or anything like that, but that she would find Jesus. Um, wow. We still had to work together. We still work together in this shop. We still, uh, took our son to appointments together and all those things, and I, I used to walk with, with depression and anxiety and all these things. And when I realized who I was in Christ, I walked like who I was in Christ. I walked upright. I, yeah, I walked like a child of the Most Mighty God. You know, the hairs on my head are numbered, and that's how I walked. And, um, Natalie was sickened by that. I think she was intrigued but sickened in a way.

Oh, it grossed me out. And the closer that he was growing to Jesus, I was hanging out with like 10 witches who— I mean, like, these were the most, I guess, powerful witches I had ever been around. They would make things appear out of midair, and like, the— I watched than like travel timelines and like they were doing bonkers stuff and I would travel all over and hang out with them. So I was doing a whole completely different thing than like what he was doing. And one night I sat down at my house and, um, I poured myself a glass of whiskey, which like me drinking, I had been an alcoholic from age 14 to 38. So me drinking daily was nothing new, but then I switched to whiskey like probably 5 months before I got— before like Jesus saved me. I switched to whiskey, and so like just whiskey in a glass, drinking it was something normal for me at this point. And I sat down and I just poured a glass of whiskey, and I'm having a great night, like turned on some music and nothing was wrong. And I just remember feeling the most sorrow, like, like, like someone had stabbed me, just like sorrow. And I remember picking up my phone and I called Dalton. And at this time, like, I was with another man, like, he disgusted me. I don't know why I called him because I— that was so out of my character, something I wouldn't have done. I pick up the phone and I called him and I said, I need you to get over here right now. I need you to speak to me about Jesus.

Wow.

And he said okay, and he was over at the house in like 5 minutes. Um, our houses that we lived in were maybe 5 minutes away, so like he threw on clothes, came over to the house. He walked in, and by the time that he walked in, um, he said that I set up like a robotic— like, like what, like a—

she— every spirit there were spirits of fear trying to keep me from that house. I remember that night I had been— I was laying down, and, uh, me and Ira, my son, I was, I was laying in bed and I was praying, and I was praying all these things, and God said, get on your knees and pray. And I didn't understand the significance of it, but I went to the edge of my bed and I started praying. And then I just kind of hit me, 3 months ago you were sitting here with a gun in your mouth. Months. And, uh, I just— I was just weeping, not even for the sense of that, but just, just weeping. And I was just praying, and I was thanking God for everything. And my little boy jumped up and he said, Daddy— he was 3 years old— he said, Daddy, can I pray with you? And I said, no, Bobby. I said, you just stay in bed. I said, it's late. And God quickened me Like, why would you do that? Why would you do that? And I was like, Bobby, come here and pray with me. And he jumped down off the bed and he's in his little pajamas and he come around to my side and he was staring at me. And I said, you can stand and pray with Daddy. And he said, no, I'm going to my knees. And he hit his knees. And he's 3. His prayers are, now lay me down to sleep and all that stuff. And he just put his hand on my back and he said, Jesus, save my mommy. And it was just hearing his cry, his request to Jesus. It just, you know, it's, it's still when I, I tell the story a thousand times a day to, to guests, and it still, it breaks me every time hearing his little voice. And, uh, I just remember praying that night and the next day uh, just praying all day. And it was— I felt something, something in my spirit was like clicking. And I laid down that night, and anxiety and fear and every spirit was just attacking me. And I— all I could do was cry out to Jesus. I just said, Jesus. And then it just— all of it went away. And God spoke to me and he said, be still, I'm bringing your wife back. And I remember in that moment I was like, I don't want her, that's okay. And, um, my phone rang and I reached over and grabbed it and answered, and it was Nat, and she was sobbing. And I thought something was wrong with Ira, and I said, what's wrong? And she said, I need you to get here now and tell me about Jesus. And I was driving over there and there was a spirit of fear that was attacking me and it was trying to make me scared. And I remember pulling up at our house and that everything looked so scary. And I walked in, and when I walked in, the way she— her body jerked at me. She was standing away from me. She jerked at me to look at me, and she pointed her hand at me and she said, I don't know who you are, but I know who's in you. And I realized in that moment, um, like, this is a demonic spirit.

I didn't have any idea at this point. I remember, like, looking back at it, I felt almost like I was watching a movie, like I was watching it from above or something.

Yeah, like a—

in that moment I did. Yeah, in that moment, um, I didn't think anything of it, you know, like I just sat down to have a glass of whiskey, like I was chilling, and I don't even know that I remembered like calling you though, saying, come over and speak to me about Jesus. Like, it was like, it was very weird, but I wasn't drunk. I had just poured myself. It was like a very weird, it's very strange, like the whole interaction. So he walks in and he says, let me pray with you. And I said, okay. And then Dalton started praying. You started praying for me first.

You said—

you put your hand out, you said, 'I'll pray.' I insisted that I would pray, and then I started praying to all different gods, all different goddesses, um, Mother Earth, the universe energies, um, a really beautiful, like, well-thought-out prayer. And then Dalton said, 'Okay, now, like, let's pray to Jesus. And I shook my head, but I physically couldn't say Jesus. And I just remember sitting there— he was in front of me and I was sitting on the couch— and I remember sitting there, like, moving my lips, moving my tongue. The word Jesus couldn't even come out of my mouth. Like, it, it was a word that, like, I knew how to say it. I physically couldn't speak Jesus. And, like, I tried probably 10 different times, like,— it was like my tongue had been cut out of my mouth. Like, I physically couldn't say Jesus. And in that moment, like, I saw Dalton's face and like his eyes. He was like, let's go.

I always say, like, I had a nana that when my family was bonkers doing their thing, I had a nana that stood in a gap and told them, you know, devil, you can't have these Yeah, yeah. You know, I grew up watching these things, and luckily I had a praying nana like that. But when my whole family had turned away, I had a nana that stood in the gap. And whenever I had a pistol in my mouth, I had a mama and a nana and a daddy that stood in the gap. Devil, you can't have this one.

Yeah.

And, um, I had a family, and I just remember in that moment watching this happen, I just— it was time for me to stand in that gap. And I said, devil, you can't have this one.

And, um, and I think you said that out loud.

I did. And I laid my hands on her and I started speaking Jesus's name and pleading the blood of Jesus over her. And when I put my hands on her, I remember it felt like fire in my hands. And I laid my hand on her and she shrieked. I remember the shriek that went out of her, and it was like her traps shot forward.. And, um, it wasn't anything I'd ever heard. And, but I knew in that moment it was almost just like everything made sense. Everything in the past made sense because the 6 months prior to that leading up, it was like something had happened and I didn't know Natalie anymore. I, it was like I didn't know And I remember telling her at one point, I said, "Nana, you know who you are now." And she was doing this laugh. She was laughing. And she said, "Good." She said, "Good." And then like spit very vile things at me. And it just all made sense in that moment.

Yeah.

It was like a scene from a movie. 'Cause he was standing, like I was sitting down and I think you were standing kind of like, just standing, and I was sitting.

We were both standing at first. When I put my hand on you, that's when you, you went down.

And he started pleading the blood of Jesus. I just remember him saying, devil, you can't have her, and started pleading the blood of Jesus. And immediately I got so vile, so sick, that like, like a sickness that I had never had before, to where then I immediately started projectile vomiting. And this, like, I've puked Being a former alcoholic, like, I've puked probably thousands of times because I would get so drunk that I would just puke every single night. Yeah, this was a puke that I had never puked in my life. Like, all I could do was open my mouth up as wide as I could and it came out like a fire hose. Pee green, like in The Actual Exorcist. Like, smelt like sulfur, something we'd never smelt before.

Wow.

I was puking so hard. Like, I had a C-section with my son, and the closest thing I can describe is like when they cut my stomach open and pulled my son out, that like pressure release is what this felt like. And it was so crazy too, like I hadn't ate that day, so like what I was puking up that was green, like there's no explanation. And then I just started urinating everywhere. I'm sitting on a pile of puke and a pile of pee. Just feeling so helpless. The feeling that I was feeling was like I could feel like stuff being taken from me. And I remember looking at Dalton about 5 minutes in because like I was puking. I was just puking and peeing. It was like a really pathetic— was it pathetic looking at watching this?

It just, it broke me. Like it made me sad, but I was, you know, I was praying over, and she looked up at me, and it was like her eyes were clear for a second, and I saw it. And I said, 'Matt, you have a demon. You have a demon spirit in you. You've let— we've let things in,' is what I said.

Yeah, you knew what was going on. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

And she did at that point, because when I, when I said that, nothing else— like what I said now you— we have— we've let stuff in. You have a demon. And she said, I have many. And, you know, it was like, uh, it was, it was very sad. It was very sad. Um, I remember laying down that night. I, I got her cleaned up and I got her in bed, and I begged him to stay.

And like, we were not together. I was with another man, like, living in two separate houses. And I was so just like, I felt helpless. It wasn't even that I was terrified. I felt like a little baby, like I felt like a 2-year-old needing a parent. Like, it was like I wasn't Natalie in the helmet. I was like 2-year-old Natalie just like needing help. It was really crazy. It's like I—

Wow.

The second that he started pleading the blood of Jesus over me, is then when my spiritual warfare started. In that second, I hadn't accepted Jesus into my heart yet. Like, I didn't say anything to Jesus like that night. He just started the process of praying demons out of me, which happened. I had to go get prayer 2 additional times within that week to get all of them prayed out of me.

It was what I— when she, she came to church was I remember that night too. The devil was even trying then too, like, um, because she, you know, she knew how I had always struggled with lust. I was very— that was very apparent. And that day, that night when I was leaving, I was getting my son out of bed. I was going to take— I was taking him with me. And, uh, she, uh, she was grabbing my hand she was like, just stay here with me. She said, we'll put him in the other bed. And that was like, you know, back then when we were married, that was talk, you know, of smooching time or whatever, right?

Yeah.

And she said, stay here, we'll put him in the other bed. And I just, I remember just shaking my head and I said, Natalie, I will not, I will not do that.

You said, I won't play house with you.

Play house you. And, uh, but I wasn't speaking to Natalie, you know. I knew I wasn't speaking to Nat. And, uh, I took our son and we left that night. And she called the next day and she said, I need to go to church with you Sunday. It was Friday.

And, uh, and I hadn't— I don't even think between Friday and Sunday, like, I know I hadn't showered I don't even think I ate because it was like the second that he pled the blood of Jesus over me, the spiritual warfare started in that second to where I had— it is so crazy, like I had no energy. I could not wash puke or urine off of me. I couldn't even like my hair. It was like a week or so, like, like not showering. I couldn't shower. I was so weak. I was so exhausted I couldn't even eat.

Wow.

I don't even know how we made it to church that Sunday. Then that Sunday came and I knew, like, it was like, it was like a devil and an angel on my shoulders. The angel was like, come on, like, come on girl, like, you've got this, like, get up out of bed, like, let's, let's go. And the devil was like, that stuff is so stupid, you little loser, you little loser, you're gonna go to church? Like, it was that conversation. It was literally a devil and an angel. And I was laying in bed that morning, and it felt like there was someone on top of me holding me to the bed, like I was magnetized to the bed. And I remember getting so mad, and I got so mad at him. And I'm like, you're asking me to go to church with you? Like, only losers do that. Like, I was cussing, like, get the F away from me. Like, I will not effing go to church. And like I was magnetized to the bed. And in that moment, then you were in my kitchen because he came to bring me to church.

I came to get her because she told me to come. And then I got there and she said, just stay here with me, just stay here with me, we'll call my mom to come get Ira. Which she was— this was a lustful thing again.

And I said, yeah, you stay here, we won't even go to church. Like trying to get him to to stay home from church too.

Oh wow.

Absolutely not. I said, me and my son are— we're going to church. I said, you can go or you can stay here. I said, but either way I'm going. And, um, God had been speaking to me. I knew at that point that, well, he— you know, when he told me I'm bringing your wife back and all these things, I was arguing with him. This isn't for me, God. She is not— this is not of you. Like, I'm down, like, you know. And, uh, I remember that morning when I was like, God, this is not it. This is not it. Me and her are not supposed to do this. And, uh, I was getting her, she started all that, and then she's cussing me. You're not taking my son to church. If you take him, uh, then you'll never see him again after that. Uh, you're a, you know, effing loser. And like all these horrible things she was saying to me. And I just remember I said, we're going to church. And she was screaming bloody murder.

I mean, like, the spirits that were still inside of me were on fire. They were mad. They were mad because, like, they knew if I— if my body was at church, that was the complete eviction notice. And Dalton was in the kitchen praying.

I walked out and— because she's screaming and like kicking in the bed, and I shut the door and I walked out. And our son is in this toy room, thank goodness, so he couldn't, you know, really hear what was going on. Yeah. And, uh, I just walked out and I put my hands on the counter and I just said like, I told you so type thing to God. Like, I guess I was like, uh, This is not of you. Take this away. I don't want this. And that's what I said. I said, I don't want this. It's not of you. Take it away. And it was like, as I was saying that, the door swung open and she come out and she was sobbing and she's wiping her eyes and she said, get me there now.

And it wasn't even— it wasn't me, Natalie, getting up out of bed. Was the Holy Spirit holding on to me and physically pulled me up from the bed. It was like the enemy was magnetized, like I was in chains stuck to the bed. The Holy Spirit ripped me up, pushed me out of the door. I was in pants that still had pee in them, like I was in rough shape. Hadn't brushed my teeth in probably 3 or 4 days. Like I said, get me to church. And he looked at me and I was like, now. So I think I just threw on shoes with what I had on.

I grabbed you clothes, did I switch clothes? No, uh, when we got there you put different pants on, but that was it. But I, I remember, oh, I got to church, I just grabbed stuff because she was like, get me there now, she's panicking. So we ran out to the car and, you know, my pastor had been praying for Natalie anyway because me and him spoke every day. There was a lot of people. My whole family was praying for, for Natalie. And me and Nat's first, like, date together, years and years before that, we went to my mama's house. My mom was having, like, this big get-together, and me and Natalie got out of the car together, and my mom's friend looked at, uh, my mom and said, Tina, that's, that's bad. And everyone there was like, Tina, that's not good. Those two together is not good. Good because we were, you know, we were wild. And they said that's not good. And my mom said, imagine if they turn it around.

Yeah, imagine if they give it to God, what they're gonna do.

Yeah. And, um, so that day when we were at church, uh, Nat was sitting there, she's holding my hand, and she's just bawling at the music and everything.

Oh, my skin was like crawling. It was the craziest experience. I wanted to be there but I couldn't wait to leave.

And, you know, she was bawling, and they did an altar call, and she looked at me and she said, I want to go up there, but I'm scared. And I said, nah, I'll go with you. And she, she didn't go. And you know how many times you've been at church when you know you're supposed to do something and you, you don't, right? You're driving home, you're like, man, how often does that second time come around in that service you know, it's not usual.

And that church was over.

Church was over. They were into it. And then an old— a little old man at our church, Ray, you know, we love Ray dearly, he spoke out and he said— church was over— and he said, you have to step out on fear.

Step out on fear. There's freedom at the altar.

There's freedom from these spirits at the altar and these things that he sent. And Natalie looks at me and she says, I know he's I said, 'I'll go with you, I'll go with you.' Wow.

I mean, and these people didn't know me, we were strangers.

Um, and I went up to the altar and he put his finger in my face and he said, 'I was talking to you.' And he said, uh, 'What's your name?' And you said, 'Yeah, I was talking to you.' And he said, 'What's your name?' And you said, 'Natalie.' And he shook her, he said, 'I'm not talking you. And he was talking to that spirit.

And they— about 20 other people just started praying for me.

And like, my whole family was behind.

Yeah. And every prayer, like, they were speaking in tongues. And I was born and raised Catholic, so I wasn't— I'm not— I was not used to being around speaking in tongues. And every prayer that they would pray, I just felt lighter and lighter and lighter. And they kept saying, look in our eyes, look in our eyes. And they just kept praying and praying and praying. And then after that day that happened, like 2 or 3 more days after that, I said, I still feel like there's something in me. And then that Wednesday night was complete freedom, like complete deliverance. And I surrendered my life to Jesus, and I had the conversation with Jesus at the altar. I fell to my knees and I said, you know, I've tried everything in this world twice. Probably 3 times, and I've never tried you, Lord. Like, I want to give you a 1,000% chance. Like, I'm surrendering my life to you. And in that moment, it's the craziest thing, he broke my chains of addiction. Yeah, like, I didn't even ask him to in that moment. Like, I surrendered my life, like, asked him into my heart, um, And he immediately— it was like immediately I was born again. I was a brand new human. My DNA felt different.

Wow, that's awesome.

And, and that's so crazy because that's something that, like, it cost me no money. It was free for me, you know, it was free for me to, like, accept him into my heart, surrender my life to him. And he's like, I've got you.

I remember I used to beg Oh, I'd cry, man, and just like beg her, please stop drinking. Like, please.

Yeah.

There was a point whenever I had stopped drinking and, uh, it wasn't as excessive as that, and I just begged her. I'm like, you have to stop. You have to stop. And she would laugh. She'd be like, yeah, I'm not doing that. Like, and it was just, I never thought it would end with her. And, uh, it got like, it got when we were split, I was like, she's gonna kill someone or herself drinking. She's gonna be in a car.

Oh yeah, somebody.

Wow. It was a very scary thing. And after that happened, she like completely was done. Like, it was just— and, you know, we had—

in a second, in a second, one second.

Amen.

You know, I've been, I've been watching, you know, like, you know, some of your stuff that you posted, and I saw there was a whole bunch of other people who, you know, were witches and, and dealt with witchcraft and stuff in the past. It seemed like there was like 20 people that replied and said that they have turned their life to Christ as well. So, you know, I thought that was really cool, you know. So what, what do you think is happening that's, you know, obviously we know it's Jesus, you know what I'm saying? But what, what do you think is, is causing people to leave witchcraft and turn to Christ?

So I'm new to reading the Bible. I've only been reading it for one year of my life, but from what I've read biblically in the Bible is in the last days the rocks will cry out, and we are the rocks, right?

Is it—

am I quoting it correctly? You've been reading it for longer than I have, but, um, I think people are just hungry for truth, man.

That's what I think. People are hungry for truth. I think we're in the last days. I think there's a turning happening and people are hungry for the truth, you know, the truth, the real healer.

I mean, like, witchcraft— honestly, witchcraft is the counterfeit version of Jesus Christ. Yeah, like, there's so many counterfeits um, and you can't counterfeit something that's not real.

So like, yeah, you just counterfeit—

just, I think people waking up and like wanting the truth, for me, like, it had to have been the Holy Spirit just like leading me, because it wasn't my brain. I don't think it wasn't my brain wanting any of this, but I'm glad that I listened to the Holy Spirit. Absolutely.

Yeah, well, I think, you know, you know, God wants to use people like you guys because witchcraft is obviously a thing that people are into, um, you know, and it's, it's, it's a growing thing. You know, I live out here in, um, near Asheville, North Carolina, and there's a lot of witchcraft and stuff going on out here.

Um, super New Age.

Yeah, yeah. You know, and you guys being able to share your story, um, it just shows that God is powerful, you know, because witchcraft is powerful. And people wouldn't think that somebody could turn from witchcraft and turn to Jesus, right? Um, looking from the outside, it doesn't seem like it would be possible, but with God, all things are possible, you know. And I think, yeah, you know, you guys are going to touch a lot of people. And, and, um, I actually had somebody ask a question on here. They wanted to know, um, what, what, what should kids know, you know? What, what kind of things should they watch out for, um, in regards to witchcraft, you know, that could like potentially hook somebody in?

Dude, there's so— we talk about this a lot too, like there's so many things that like desensitize you to that. Oh, it's in Disney, every single Disney movie, like, yeah, like the witches and all that stuff. And it's like, it, it either it sends you down two ways. Like, oh, that stuff's cute. Or, you know, that's, that's make-believe, that stuff's not real. Or it's, hey, this is very interesting. So you're either ignoring it or you're diving into it. And that's that. There's no in-between. You're either like, ah, that's spooky, but it's very real.

And it's everywhere. Like, it's so hard for us to find a show for us to, like, let our 5-year-old watch because all of it either has characters acting like they're demon possessed, or they're casting spells on their parents, or they're using some form of magic. Like, it's in— it's in Bluey, it's in Peppa Pig, like, it's in— it's in everything. You just snuck in, they just snuck in. And it's— I believe that it's not someone doing it on purpose. I believe it's someone allowing the enemy to work through them.

Yeah.

They get the babies.

You know, Jesus said who the ruler of this world was. So if you don't— I had someone ask me, why is it got to be Jesus everything? Why Jesus everything? And I'm like, because it's Satan everywhere. Because it's Satan's everything. And it is. It's like, it's— he sits— like, when I was a kid, I look back at these movies and I, I'll, like, try to go back and watch movies sometime, and I don't do it anymore. We don't allow a lot of secular things into our home, if any. Uh, but we'll like— I'll just be watching something and I'm like, how was that not desensitizing me to lust? Like this, this massive amounts of like cleavage or women bending over, like just, you know, things like that. And I'm like, yeah, well, that's where that probably started. I was 4 years old, 5 years old, watching this kids movie, and that was what book was, you know, a lot of things like that. Like, we know who the ruler of this world is, man. And it's— yeah, stuff like that's not getting everywhere. They, they, they want our, our children is what it is. The enemy wants our kids because if, you know, that if he can get that generation to— there's people now that, like, you can talk to these kids that all— like, these 18 year-old kids that I'll tattoo sometimes, and I'll bring up Jesus, and they're like, no idea. Yeah, they're like, yeah, I heard he like died on the cross. And I'm like, you heard that he died on a cross? That's what— like, okay, it's just, it's bonkers, man. Like, so it's important to, number one, protect our kids, our children, but spread the gospel to them. Like, we got to be talking to people about Jesus. What good is our testimony if we're not out telling people?

That's right.

So Jesus said, go out and make disciples of all nations. He didn't say, you know, if you talk about me, be sure to maybe tell them, if you chat about me, right? Dude, I'm telling everybody. Like, I tell everybody about Jesus. And that's just when I go to the gym, I make sure I have an Ask Me About Jesus shirt on, or Spread the Gospel shirt on. I have something on my hat just because I want somebody to see Jesus somewhere.

Yeah, and Christians shouldn't be afraid of it. Yeah, Christians shouldn't be afraid of it because, uh, you know, so many people are into witchcraft or New Age or things like that, you know. So they're obviously searching for something, you know. So why not show them the Holy Ghost, you know what I'm saying, the Holy Spirit, and absolutely, you know, tell them about Jesus in this world.

Wants to like, uh, to cancel you for that too. Yeah, for, for the gospel and things like that. It's— we got to stand firm in what we believe in, dude, you know.

So let me, let me ask you guys this, you know. So I, I do, um, you guys can probably see my, my Green Glitch poster back there. So my, my recent work centers around high potency marijuana, um, and how it's affecting kids. Um, you know, I'm a school teacher. I've been a school teacher for 6 years. I'm retired military. My daughter was highly addicted to high-potency marijuana, and I saw the effect that it had on her, um, you know. But I, I believe, and you could tell me if I'm wrong, that high-potency marijuana, just, you know, any, any form of drugs, is, is a tool that is used by the devil, um, you know, to, to lead people to destruction. Um, now I've read some stuff too that, you know, witches even use marijuana from time to time in certain things. Is that, is that the case?

Plant medicine? Yeah. So, um, like whenever I was super deep into the occult, I would take ayahuasca, mushrooms, DMT, marijuana, different things to get you to, um, a different dimension is what, you know, we called it, like traveling timelines, like getting so high that you actually saw different creatures that, you know, that were demons. So I'm sure, like, I've accidentally taken high-potency marijuana before to where, like, you don't know, you're, you're somewhere else. Like, you're communicating with demonic spirits.

Absolutely. And it, dude, it just like lightens a veil too, you know what I mean?

It opens that door.

Opens doors. And I used— you know, there'd be times where I would get high around my buddies. Like, we'd be at band practice and we would all smoke and just be goofing and laughing together. And it seems like the most harmless time. We're just playing some songs and goofing and laughing. And maybe that's how the enemy has it there sometimes, because then you're like, oh, this is harmless. But then sometimes when you're alone and you— and you smoke and— and you allow these, these thoughts to transpire. And if people get to where they're— if anything, I got to where I was leaning on this. So I had made that— when I was stressed, I'd smoke. When I was sad, I smoked. When I was anything, I smoked.

Yeah, so it kind of enhances that. Yeah, it may enhance that depression or, you know.

Yeah, for sure. And it's like, instead of when I'm stressed, run into my word, or going to pray. Yeah, I ran to that. So I had made it an idol.

That's true.

Yeah, you're replacing it. For sure. And I have so many people like, well, I don't think this is wrong, you know, I do this and I've not been convicted of it. And I'm like, that's fine. And then we'll get to talking about, I'm like, what, what do you, why do you do it though? They're like, well, sometimes when I'm stressed, I just go smoke. And I'm like, why aren't you praying?

Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.

Or reading your word.

Word.

Yeah. And, you know, and I'm, you know, that's just, that's my take on it, man. This, this was my experience on it, that I had made, I had made it an idol. And it also, like, it just opened doorways in my, in my mind that I, I wouldn't want to think in that thought pattern now. No.

So what, um, you know, what encouragement would you guys give parents, um, whose child has kind of got involved in the occult or witchcraft or anything like that right now?

Um, number one, plead the blood of Jesus Christ over them out loud, verbally. Plead it over— touch anything that they touch, their vehicle, the home. Like every single day. I, I would start with that because the blood of Jesus is the most powerful thing that, I mean, like demons have to answer to. So number one, I would pray for them. Number two, I wouldn't give up on them because, I mean, like I was over 10 years deep, deep, deep in the occult, and I feel like now, like, God's able to use that for my testimony to help pull other people out of the occult because of just sharing what Jesus has done for me. So like, just keep praying. Don't give up on— don't give up on them. Um, don't give up on them.

Love them. Like, like what Matt said, plead the blood of Jesus. When I used to come into this, into this shop, I, I'd get here an hour before that and I would walk around the shop. I'd turn worship music on and I'd walk around this shop and I would pray over everything. Lord, everything she touches, everything she touches, I plead the blood of Jesus over. And I go into her area and prayed over everything. And she'd sit and hear me talk about Jesus all day, and I'm sure it made her sick. Yeah, show them love, because that's what I was doing for Nat too. I was just showing her love and— but telling them the truth. You can tell someone the truth and And it doesn't have to be mean and offensive.

Yeah, that's right.

Christians act that way. Well, you're supposed to do it. Like, you gotta, you gotta show these people love, you know? And that, that's the most important. Like, let Jesus change them. You just show them love and let, let Jesus change them.

Yeah, definitely.

But, but that would be— that would probably be my biggest thing, uh, you know, is just— it's spiritual warfare too. So many parents think a good old spanking will fix the thing, or, you know, we're kicking them out. And maybe sometimes that's the case. I think it's painful, but laws—

they're already in those claws in them.

So it's spiritual warfare. Yeah, going at night, you lay your hands on their head, please. Yeah, Jesus.

Yeah, I've done that before. Put that anointing oil on the, the whole house, everything they touch, you know. Hey, you Yeah, yeah, you gotta pray.

Our son's 5 years old and, and he'll be sleeping, we'll do the same thing. But our, you know, our seeing these things— we, we woke up the other night, what was it, 4, like 3, 4 in the morning, and that shook me. And she said, listen, and my little boy's got his hand on my back, he said, I plead the blood of Jesus over my dad. 4 AM, our little 5-year-old, from the top of his head to the bottom of my— my 5-year-old is saying this. You know, so it's like we're— something, you know, God's, God's moving even in his little life.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Now you guys, and so you still run the tattoo shop, um, which I think is cool, you know. I got— I'm sleeved up and stuff, I got tattoos, um, but I think it's super cool that you guys can give people tattoos and tell them about Jesus at the same time, you know. That's, that's super cool. And plus, you know, they're sitting there, they got nowhere to go, so, you know, they get to hear it, right?

They don't. I always tell them, uh, and if you don't want to hear this, you tell me to shut up at any time. And but man, there's— I always, you know, before I see guests coming in, and I just, I say, Holy Spirit, give me the words to speak to these people, not from, from my flesh or from me, but from you. And, uh, if anything, let them feel loved here.

And yes, that's something I think about, you know, because, you know, inside the— inside the four walls of the church, a lot of times people think that's the only place that God can do something.

For sure, man.

Um, now I believe he can do something in a tattoo shop, he could do something at a concert, he could do, you know He's going to meet people where they are. We're just the vessel, you know. So I'm sure you guys have seen some pretty awesome things happen in your shop, right?

Oh dude, yeah, everything. Honestly, every single day.

That's what I was, I was gonna say, like, you know, when I pray that it would be something, if, you know, if God gave me something, it's every day. It's every day, like people are just in here crying, or we're praying over people, or just like atheists are getting saved on our couch. Like, I had a man come in here one time, and he, he was terrifying. He was, he was a scary man. And, uh, he was sitting on my table, and I was tattooing him, and God spoke to me and said, tell him what I've done for you. And I was like, Gosh, you know, really? And, uh, God just spoke to me one more time, tell him what I've done for you. And he's, you know, we're going on and he's talking, and, uh, I said, man, you know, at the risk of offending you, because the conversation we were having before was he does not jive with that. He, he heard a Christian song come on, not his thing. And I said, well, man, at the risk of offending you, and I just started telling him about what Jesus has done for me. And I was just sitting there talking and I looked up at him and he's just sobbing, just sobbing. And I said, man, if you want me to stop talking, I will. And he said, I want you to, but I need to hear it. And I just kept talking, and we got done. And the day before that is when, uh, our— the first time an atheist got saved here. And God had told me, pray, pray for her, pray for her. And she left and then come back, and she said, will you, will you pray with me? And I said, absolutely I will. We prayed her to Jesus on a couch. Well, that— so that next day when this man was crying, he just grabbed me and he hugged me. And the first thing I thought was, I don't want to not ask him to pray like I did yesterday. So I said, man, do you want me to pray with you? And he was crying and he said, not this time, but next time we will. And he was just smiling and so happy. And I was like, okay. And he said, next time we're praying. And I was like, all right, next time, you know, it was the next time.

That's awesome.

And he hugged me again and he was just crying and he left. And I called my mama And I'm telling my mom about it. I said, Mama, this one seems so important. And, uh, Nat then calls me, so I flip over. I'm like, Mama, hang on a second. I get over and I'm telling Nat this story, and without skipping a beat, Nat goes, Dalton, that man was going home to kill himself.

Wow.

And I was like, what? No, he didn't say nothing like that. I said, he didn't say nothing like that. He was, uh, he was just sad or something. I don't know.. And I said, hey, let me click back over to Mom. I said, I'll call you as soon as I get off the phone with Mom. And I clicked over to my mama and I said, hey, Mama, are you still there? And she said, Bubba, that man was going home to kill himself. Wow. And, uh, I said, Mom, that, that just said that. And later that night we was eating dinner and that man messaged me on Facebook. And he was telling me how special the day was. And he said he just, he wanted to let me know that he was going home to do that. And that he, it was just such a special thing. He said, had you not shared the gospel to me, he was like, I don't know if I would've or not. But that was his plan. And that just, it hit me in that moment. How important our obedience is.

Yeah.

So it don't matter if I'm standing in Fred's or Dollar Tree or McDonald's. There's been times when I'm standing in McDonald's and God says, pray for the girl behind you, and there's 30 people there. And I turn around and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not doing that. And then we was getting ready to leave and my son Ira looked at me, he said, Daddy, ain't you gonna pray for her? So it's like When God tells you to move, you move. Yeah, you know, because you don't know what's at stake with these things. Um, so yeah, man, we're just, we're, we're just very obedient here to the Holy Spirit. And, and, um, a lot of crazy things happen every day.

Every day. This Friday, um, if anybody who's watching is around Southern Illinois, this Friday doors are to open at 5:30 here at the Unit Tattoo. We're clearing all the furniture out. Dalton has put together a worship band, and we're having— God just told us, like, bring the church into a tattoo shop. So I mean, like, there's so many people that we see and meet every single day, and they're like, I want to experience Jesus, I want to feel him, I'm not ready to go to a church. And so we're bringing that experience inside of the tattoo shop. So that's this Friday at 6:00, um, and just awesome. Like, we ship Bibles to people all over the world. Like, witches coming out of the occult specifically will reach out and ask for Bibles, and then they receive them and like they actually read them and it helps like free them. So if anybody's watching this and they need a Bible or they're around Southern Illinois and want to come in and like get prayer, speak to us, anything, like That's what we're— that's what we're here for.

That's awesome. Yeah, you guys are doing, uh, doing some awesome work. That is— that is very exciting to hear and just encouraging and, uh, powerful testimony. And, um, yeah, guys, I mean, I really appreciate you coming on here and sharing your testimony, and I'm sure our, you know, listeners are gonna take something away from this, which actually, you know, is going to lead me to one question here for Natalie. Um, if anybody watching the show right now remembers one thing from your story, what do you hope it is?

Cry out to Jesus. If you're happy, cry out to Jesus. If you're sad, cry out to Jesus. If you're angry, cry out to Jesus. Like, he, he will help you in ways that your mind can't even comprehend. He will pull you from ditches that you can't even imagine getting out. His way is greater. He's so creative. Cry out to Jesus. If you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus, say, Jesus, I want you— please forgive me for my sins. I believe that you died on the cross for me. I believe that you are my Savior. Like, live inside of me. I want to follow you. And just just hold his hand, go with him.

Awesome. Yeah, and I'm sure, you know, if anybody that sees this, if they're struggling with witchcraft or, you know, any of the stuff that you've talked about has kind of, you know, resonated with them, uh, how could they contact you? You know, I'm sure you could help them through some of this stuff.

Um, if you find us on Facebook, The Unit Tattoo, we're the only Unit Tattoo on Facebook. Um, send us a message there. We answer 100% of our messages on there, um, and we've had hundreds of messages of people who either need prayer, want to get their hands on a Bible, um, are coming out of the occult, have family members like deep in the occult. Like, there's no stupid question, there's no stupid message. Like, we will read everything, um, and that's the easiest way is through our Facebook.

That's awesome. Well, hopefully, um, you guys should, uh, you know, write a book or something. That'd be pretty cool to, to see that, you know, just to see you guys expand your testimony.

And, um, absolutely. Yeah, God's bringing up my time with not doing hair, so we're, we're just listening to him, and he may have us on that journey next time we speak.

Yeah, well, hey, you know, definitely keep it up, and, uh, Yeah, keep, keep us updated, you know, on stuff that you guys got going on, and we'll definitely follow Unit Tattoo. And yeah, I mean, this has just been great. So, um, is there any last things that you guys would kind of like to tell any of the viewers? Anything else that's important?

I don't think so. I think we covered a lot. And just like, let me see if any, uh, if you feel empty, if you are like still searching and you don't know what in the world you're searching for, it's probably Jesus if you've not surrendered to him. I thought only losers surrendered to Jesus Christ, and like, it's actually the coolest thing I've ever done. So just give it a try.

Amen. Right on. Yeah, well, you guys are awesome, and thank you guys again.

I will—

I mean, this is live, so it's already on here now. So once it all finishes uploading to YouTube. You guys can share it, you know, and I'll be promoting it and stuff like that as well to get this message out there. So you guys been doing a lot of different podcasts?

We have been, we've been doing quite a few and we're in the middle of starting up our own with whatever God tells us to share that week.

That's cool. Yeah, well, good luck. Yeah, yeah, I hope it goes well.

Thank you so much.

All right, well, thank you guys and be blessed. And, uh, yeah, hopefully we can talk again soon.

Awesome, thank you so much.

All right guys, take care.

Thank you, see you later.

All right, so that was an awesome time and, uh, what a powerful testimony testimony, guys. Um, you know, God can do anything. You know, you're— there's no sin too far out there that he can't save you or help you recover from something. No addiction too strong. Um, I know addicts, I know people that, you know, came from suicidal situations. You know, now we just heard from a former witch who was demon possessed And I mean, look at how God is using her and her husband now in ministry in a tattoo shop. I mean, that is so cool, you know. So never put God in a box because he can do anything, guys, um, and he'll do stuff, you know, that you can't even comprehend or can't even understand. So just, uh, you know, keep, keep, uh, trusting God, guys. Keep open-minded and allow him to lead you. Allow Him to use you. And before we get off of here, guys, I'm going to show you guys— my brother has a little coffee business, so he's going to be our official sponsor of the day. So I'm going to show you guys this 1-minute trailer. It's called Army Man Coffee. It's very good coffee. I actually have a couple of the samples and it's pretty good stuff.

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So Dalton, is Dalton still there or did he leave already?

Dalton?

I'm right here, buddy.

Okay, hey, I was gonna ask you, man. One more, one more question for you, Ashley, since you're still there. Um, my new film that I'm working on is actually going to be called A Good Man. So I want to ask you, what do you think is a good man? How do you define a good man?

What do I think a good man is? Yep. Um, before, I would have told you um, that a good man is someone that provides for his family, you know, financially and, and all those things. Now I would say a good man is someone that leads, uh, his family with Jesus, that puts Jesus first no matter what. Um, that's what I think a good man is. Right on. Good, you know, that walks with, with Jesus first. Because when, when Jesus is first and it's truly in you, you walk within an integrity and all these things, uh, so that's, that's what I think a good man is, someone that, that Jesus is first in his heart.

Right on, good stuff. Well, thank you for that answer, and, uh, I'm gonna show you guys my trailer real quick. For a good man. And then we'll go ahead and end this thing, and I'll meet you guys, uh, that's so cool. Yeah, he taught us that, you know, it's not about me, it's about, you know, who we can help as far as going out and doing for others.

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Imagine the impact we could have on people by just changing the way we speak. Exactly. You know, and as men, I feel like we need to do a better job at that. I don't know about you, but that's what I think. Oh yeah. And not only in our words we say, but in how we say it. Mm-hmm. So that is A Good Man. Uh, the film will be out early 2027, so something you guys can look forward to. So if you guys run into anybody, uh, at your shop or anything that you think would be a good candidate for me to interview for that film, send them our way. I would love to talk to them. So maybe even you, Dalton.

Jason Tremko. That's awesome. You seem like—

and then how do we watch that?

Uh, well, that is just it. That's just the trailer. Um, I'm still making the film right now. It'll be out in early 2027, so very excited about that.

Okay, that is so cool. Congratulations.

Yeah, thank you very much.

And, uh, if you need more, like, people, I'll—

if you want, I'll send them over here. Yeah, I would love to, man. That would be great. Um, I'll tell you what, uh, once we— once we go ahead and end the show here, let me end the show here and then we'll talk more in the back, uh, the back room. No, we're still live, we're still live. But, uh, yeah, guys, you guys are awesome.

He just walked away.

I'm like, hey, it's all good. Yeah, I actually had you back screen so they didn't see you walk away, but it's all good. So we, we keep it simple around here. We don't we don't, we don't stress too much. But, uh, yeah, y'all tune in tomorrow. I'll be interviewing a local sheriff from the Swain County Sheriff's Department. He's going to be on here giving us a different perspective, uh, about law enforcement. So I'm very excited about that. That'll be at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. And with that being said, we are signing off. Talk to y'all later.