STOP Buying Weak Lasers: The Blue Honest Secret To Full-Spectrum PBM (Pro VX)

The first thing that we say is this is the last laser you'll ever need. It has the maximum amount of diodes, has the maximum power, has over 700 frequencies, it covers a large diameter, it's pre timed locations how many times you use it, day or night, everything is done for you. This is in my opinion the absolute perfect laser because it has everything incorporated in it.

Hey everybody. As promised, I am here with Dr. Doug Lime, founder of Blue Honest Lasers. And this is an episode I've been excited to have because we're going to talk all about really the importance of understanding the advanced features available to you with lasers. How BlueHonest helps you implement those features for benefits that your patients can receive and much more on today's episode. Doug, I really appreciate you hopping on.

And chatting today and thanks for having me.

It is my pleasure. And one of the things that bluehonest and you have put out, which I'd love to walk through today are what's called the 10 essential factors for choosing a laser. There's a lot of docs out there that are familiar with lasers but they either don't know how to make a great decision or maybe they've made a poor decision in the past on a laser. And I'd love to walk through with you those. And number one, you said it starts with true laser coherence. So I'd love to pick it up right there and say why is coherence so critical for deep tissue work? And how should a chiropractor look at this when they're comparing claims versus devices?

Well, yeah, I mean the first, the first essential, if you will, when you're looking to buy a laser is you have to make sure you have a laser, not an LED or light light therapy device there. The difference is basically like you said, is between coherent and non coherent light. And to make it very simple because you just, you know, you need to make things simple for understanding. Coherent light is direct, very focused light where, not where non coherent light is scattered light. So, so when you have scattered, like when you get into, to us as practitioners, you need to be able to have, make these things specific. So when you have scattered light you can't have specific wavelengths which are called nanometers and you can't incorporate frequencies within with that because it's scattered light. So it's. And since it's scattered, the penetration is as they say, skin deep. It's not even skin deep, it's just literally dermis, it doesn't get any further. So that's what scattered light is. And then. But, you know, lasers are focused light coherently and they can penetrate up to inches deep within seconds of using them. So that's the biggest difference.

Yeah, that makes a, that makes a lot of sense. And I think some of this ties into FDA clearances. And I'll just ask you straight up, FDA clearance, does it matter? Does it not matter and why?

Well, the first thing is, I mean, probably you and I are on the same page. I mean, I'm not a big fan of the FDA and cdc. I mean, they're just not my biggest fan. But what FDA can do for us, or for you as, as a practitioner especially, is it just, it just quantifies what you're buying. If you, if the laser says it's got a 635 or an 808 or a 405, whatever it says, it has to have that in it. And as far as power is concerned, it also has to be that. So what you're getting is assured that what you're getting is what is in the laser. So that's all the FDA is on. And that has to do with safety. So if you, if it is FDA approved or cleared, then you're sure that it's safe and you're sure that it is what you're. So you're getting what you pay for.

Yeah. Some of this might tie into. But I know there's a lot of docs, and myself included, we've heard about wavelengths, we've heard about nanometers. I'm not an expert in it. You are. When you think about a full spectrum laser and why these wavelength ranges matter. What are some of the benefits that come to mind from a patient point of view when we discuss wavelengths and nanometers?

Well, the biggest part of that is in today's world, everybody's starting to get sick and tired of diagnosing and treating symptoms. I am. Pain and everything. And all lasers, mine included in the past, have all been designed for pain and inflammation. Well, that makes you feel better, but it's also a temporary, a temporary solution, if you will. So the lasers we've had in the past were very focused on, on what we call the 635, a red diode and an 808, which is infrared. The two of those really work magic as far as pain and inflammation. But what they don't do is they don't correct why you have the pain and inflammation. So if you want to actually regenerate and regenerate at the cellular level, uh, we're talking ATP production and if you want to have ATP production, you have to have the precursors to make ATP. Well, the precursors to ATP is, which we call the electron transport chain. And ironically there's, there's a, a whole bunch of information out there, I should say misinformation about that because there's, there's four, there's four precursors to tissue regeneration, which is what you want, you want to regenerate tissues. You don't want to just make them feel better. We have to get deep in there and make them. The body regenerates from the inside out. We were aware of that. So you have to have this system in order. Well, the, the wavelengths, when we call that. So the Pro VX is our laser and it's the only, the first and only FDA cleared full spectrum laser. And what that means it covers all of the wavelengths. So you have a four or five which is a violet light and that's activates. That actually activates the first complex of the electron transport chain, which is called NADH. And then. But FADH is activated by two completely different wavelengths which the 470 and a 670. Well, the 470 is blue and the 670 is bright red. Well, there's no other laser that I'm aware of in the world that has those two wavelengths. So. So you have to activate that. The second complex, again fadh, when you need those two wavelengths, well, the third one is cytochrome C reductase. Well, that is activated by a 520 which is green of 405, which is the violet. So you can activate. Then when you get the cytochrome C oxidase, which is the fourth step, you need to have the, the 470, the 670 and the 405 again. So again, if you don't have all of these and then you're, you're just not going to get total ATP production. If you do have all of them, you're, you're working magic. So the, the, you know, the thing about the Pro VX is it has all of those wavelengths and it also includes the wavelengths for pain and inflammation. So it's just the way, it's just not that you also have to include the 635 and the 808 because they do get you pain and inflammation. So, so by having the whole entire full spectrum, you're literally helping people with the pain and inflammation right away, but you're also getting to the root cause and actually regenerating the tissues so that you get a permanent solution as well. I mean, it's just, it's just the perfect laser has to have, it has to be a full spectrum laser and has to have all of those wavelengths in order to get the proper results.

Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I think there's a lot of docs listening and watching that are probably unaware that being as comprehensive as that full spectrum, as you said, is really a critical component to maximizing the benefit. And this leads us right into the question around diodes. You mentioned that this is a really key metric in a laser being as beneficial as it can be. So what are some of the differences in the number of diodes and how does this make a difference ultimately in the, in the throughput, the treatment time or the results?

Well, the next, the next essential, if you will, as far as lasers are concerned, are frequencies. So every, every living entity on planet Earth, including planet Earth, oscillates at a different frequency. And inside of us, it, our, our organs, our glands, our tissues, our muscles, everything else reverberates, if you will, and oscillates at a different frequency. So if you want to dial in things, and here's the research that shows this, there's two waves when it comes to lasers. There's what's called a continuous wave and a pulse wave. Well, continuous wave is basically, and again that's 90% of the lasers that are out there are all continuous waves. So they have no pulse. So it's just basically the strict wavelength and that's what they, that's what they get out of it. But when you add in pulsed frequencies, the research has shown us that you will get anywhere from ten to a thousand times more results, more precise if you will. So you can actually, if you want to, if you want to regenerate a tissue and you have the correct frequency, it's, it's just going to, it's just going to increase results ten to a thousand fold. So the ProvX laser has over. We're not talking just a couple frequencies here. I mean if you want the pain frequencies, look, I'll be happy to give you their 4, 9, 16, 42 and 53. So all of you that have a different company and you have to go to their seminars to find out their, their frequencies. Look, I'll give you a whole host of them for free. Just go in the Blue Islands website. I have a whole host of frequencies you can use. I mean I, in the Pro VX though, we've incorporated over 700 frequencies. That includes everything that you can imagine. Not only that, but it also, the Lasers will enhance things, but they can also eliminate things. So if you want to eliminate bacterias, staphoris, I mean, or, I mean viruses, protozoa, funguses, molds, candida, you, if you have the frequencies for all them, you can literally focus on them for illumination things as well. So the laser, again, if you have a full spectrum laser, you have the wavelengths, but then on top of that, if you have the frequencies, you are really going to be able to die in, dial in a laser. And there's no laser in the world that has more frequencies than we do. And then you add in the fact of the number of diodes which you mentioned, Jeff, the number of. So most lasers today, and again, even me in the past, we had lasers that had two diodes, maybe three, maybe four diodes. So you cover a very small area when you have the Pro VX. I designed this laser. It's got 15 diodes. So it has two 405s, it has two two four seventies, it has two 635s, it has four 635s, four infrareds, 808s, and on and on. So we have 15 diodes. So we took, we cover a two inch diameter. So we're covering such, you know, so much more area, if you will, than just a laser that has 1, 2, 3 or 4 diodes in it.

Yeah, 15 is a massive difference from, from 1 or 2. And how does power fit into this equation? What are the risks of having an underpowered device?

Well, under. There's two trains of thought in the laser world. There's one company that has some research with which they've ironically done on their own, but they actually say that a wavelength is what allows for penetration. But there's a, and wavelength. So the lower the wavelength, which would be a 405 or 470 or 520, they say it. So I'm not going to disagree with them. If they have the research that shows that good for them. But the large majority of the research shows that if you have infrared and you have a thousand milliwatts of infrared, which is anything above 780 nanometers, okay, if you have, if you have that, then your, your penetration is. Again, the research shows you have maximum penetration. So that's the first part. Now all visible light is very interesting because visible light is between 400 and that's 780 and that covers that again, that's that what we call the full spectrum. Violet to blue to green to red to bright red and all of those colors. So those can have A maximum of, of 12 milliwatts per diode only because if you go to above 13, it'll actually burn you. So you can't go any higher. 13 to 25 is, it will give you a first degree burn. 35 and 25 and up will give you a second and on and on. So you can only go so high and you, but so you want to get close to that 13 milliwatts if you will. So the, the ideal amount of power for all visible light is around 10 millimeter milliwatts. If you can get there, that's fine. Now most other companies will use their number one competitor uses a 7.5 milliwatt diode. That's okay. But if you get any lower than that, you're just not going to have any, you're just not going to have any power or any, any penetration at all. So you do want to have, with the visible light you want to have between 10 and 12 milliwatts. And for the infrared you can go as high as you want. But most of the research shows that 1000 milliwatts again is, is the ideal amount of infrared and that allows for maximum penetration.

Yeah, that, that makes sense to me. And, and let's, let's bring that right into protocols, dosage and duration. I know a lot of docs out there when they're excited to have a new modality, a new device in their practice. Some of the questions revolve around well, how do I apply this? Right? So how does the, how does the ProvX handle protocols do and how do you recommend doc thinks about it?

The one thing about the ProvX is, and you and I discussed this a little earlier, I designed this. I've been a practicing doctor for over 45 years. I've been working with lasers, designing lasers, doing protocols for lasers for over 35 years. And this laser is designed for us so that you don't have to know anything in order to be able to use this laser. So the one very ironic, I Yesterday, just yesterday I went to a fellow chiropractor and was showing him the laser and he says, well, I have this other laser that he paid over $20,000 for. It has two diodes in it. You probably know what we're talking about. And he goes, and sometimes I use it and I use it a lot and sometimes I use a little, depending on how much time I have. And I take it home with me and I'll use it for a half hour. And I'm like, you can't do that. I mean, aren't you aware of the. What's called the Art Schwarzenegger Schultz law? So there's a law with deals with only with lasers, which is called the Arn Schultz law, which basically states that lasers work on a bell curve. So they work great when you first turn them on you, they're great, they're great, they'll work perfect. But when you get too far and you use them too long a period of time, you'll actually lose the benefit of what you're trying to gain. So it's. Lasers are not made for the American way. That beer is better at that aspect. Lasers are very, very specific. Well, this, this chiropractor was saying, he goes, it's very ironic because I'll use a thing for a half hour and I don't feel any difference. But it goes when. But if I'm in the office, I'm a hurry, I use it for, for two minutes or three minutes, I feel a difference. I said yes. When you use the laser, they have to be timed. There's. Lasers are measured by watts versus seconds versus the pulse frequencies, which is, which comes out with something called joules. Well, you have to have, you have to have your laser dialed into joules in order to get the, the maximum results. Well those jewels, the most lasers, if you, if you program these perfectly, which again I've done, not only do you get it perfect within the jewels, but you don't go too far because it'll, it'll ring, the laser will buzz and tell you that's enough time, you're done. So you get the maximum result that way. But when you have like so the Pro VX has over 57 settings which cover over 200 conditions. And each setting can have upwards of six different locations. When you have something, you're talking thousands of of programs that had to be re adjusted to make sure that you have the profit jewel proper jewels where there's no late. Why would a chiropractor or a doctor have the time? They don't have the time. You're trying to take care of your patient. Every time you want to punch in a frequency or you punch something into one of your other lasers and you have to figure out how the time that you need to use it in order to get the maximum results, you're lost. The ProvX is designed with, with all of that is done for you. So you have nothing to worry. You don't have anything to research. You got nothing. You turn the thing on, you turn your binder to the page that you with what you want and the laser will automatically do what you want. Now you also have to know where to put lasers. So I'll have people say to me, I'll give you a real simple example. Somebody will say well I have a joint pain and I'll say well it's my, I'll say well which joint? What's if they say it's my shoulder or my knee, well that's fine. Then you know to put the laser pretty easy to do and you, but it's still pre timed for you and you have the location. But what if you have systemic pain? Somebody comes in and says oh, it's both shoulders, it's both hips, it's both knees. Oh, my back hurts, my neck hurts, I hurt all over. Well that's not a joint problem. That's a systemic problem. That help that affects joints. Well where do you put the laser then? Do you put it on every joint for, for. I mean you'll be there all day long putting lasers. No, you have to know where to go which would be there. There's certain positions and all of that is, is done for you. Then you also have to know whether you should be using the laser in conjunction with another setting. If I use it for the joint, should I use it for my, for my heart at the same time or can I use it for my adrenals or can I use it for this for, for, for my brain or for, for my hypothalamus? What can I use together or not together so that you know, doctors don't know that and you don't have the time to research it. Plus you have to know whether you can do it once a day, twice a day, three times a day. Right? And then on top of that there's certain settings you should do during the day and not at night and vice versa. So all of that is done for you. As far as the practitioner is concerned with the Pro vx, you have nothing to, absolutely nothing to research. It is so highly programmed, believe it or not, it's so highly programmed that you don't have to know know anything. You simply. There's only two buttons. Button that chooses what you want to do and the button that turns it on. I mean that's it. It's so, so all of that programming is done for you when you take, when you, when you have a pro.

BS that's powerful and makes it so, so easy to implement. Now when, let's reference back to some of that diode conversation that we had because I believe this plays into some of what we'd call placement logistics, treatment protocols, diode coverage within the head of the unit. Talk a little bit about that and why that matters so much.

Well, again, when you have 15 diodes, well, here's your laser. There it is. You can actually see the 15 diodes and you can see the site. I mean you're talking a 2 inch diameter. Now lasers work in, lasers work direct. All right, when we talk, first thing we talked about today was direct coherent light versus non coherent light. So non coherent light is scattered. So it'll go everywhere, but it can't penetrate in. And it's only, like I said, base barely skin deep. But when you're using the laser, it goes directly in. But then you have what's called the cascade effect. So when it goes to 2 inches deep, for example, and you have this, you know, this width, which is 2 inches wide, by the cascade effect, the best example to give is the champagne toast at a wedding where you have the teepee, if you will, of champagne glasses. And you only pour the champagne in the top glass, but it fills all the rest. So once the ATP is maxed out in, in, in, in this cellular level, it will then transfer to the next. Transfer to the next. So when you use again you, when you have this timing yarn, Schultz law. When you have the timing down, the set is within seconds of using the laser, you're already producing the ATP and that allows then for the next cell and the next cell. So you can actually, actually when you start off at 2 diameter, 2 inches diameter, you can go another inch and a half, you know, this way, inch and a half this way. And you can also go an inch and a half or two inches deep. More, more deep, if you will. So that's the advantage of having, so you know, 15 diodes versus one or two. If you have one diode, one blue diode, it goes in. I mean it's gonna, by the time you use it and you'd have to use it for such a long period of time to get any penetration. Okay. Or any width out of it. You only have one diode. Well, the, by then the timing is up. Or if you, if they, because I don't know any other laser company that does that has their lasers timed. They just give them to the doctors and say just use them, use them. Well, how long do I use it? I don't know, just use it until you feel better. I mean, so it, if you use it too long, you're, then you're still going to Lose the benefit of, of what you're trying to do. So having these lasers precise is, is the key. So you've, you've seen this on, on the Blue Honest website and the first thing that we say is this is the last laser you'll ever need. It just is because you can't make a laser any better than this. It has the maximum amount of diodes, has the maximum power, has over 700 frequencies, it covers a large diameter and it has its pre timed locations. How many times you use it, day or night, everything is done for you. This is the, this is in my opinion the absolute perfect laser because, because it's, it has everything incorporated in it.

I agree and I think this has been an eye opening conversation. I know a lot of docs listening and watching. We think about adjustments and the applicability between human and animals with that, with the Pro VX by BlueHonest. Let's talk a little bit about lasers. Is there a difference between utilization on a human and an animal? What are those and how does Blue Honest address it?

Yeah, well, yeah, we love our animals, right? I mean there's about 60% of the American public has an animal. So I, I love animals. My, if I told you about, I could tell you about my kids and my, what they do with animals. They're just. Our whole entire family are animal lovers. I have our, we have our Bernese mountain dog that we've had several of them and love them to death. My, my daughter runs a Wags and Walks of Nashville which is a rescue dog for rescue place for dogs. So what I did was I incorporated so this laser head. Let's talk about humans first. There's 57 settings that cover over 200 conditions for humans. All right? And you name it A to Z. I don't think I've missed anything. But this laser also has 30 settings for animals with over 100 conditions. So you can order this laser if you want it just for humans, fine. If you want it just for animals, fine. You can also order it with human and animal settings and you cover and it covers everything. Now are that, are they the same? No, absolutely not. There's, there's different tissues and we go back to different frequencies. I mean I don't know any humans that have hoof and mouth disease or lick granuloma or you know, things that animals have. And I don't know animals that have things that human have. But as far as elimination and, and all of the frequencies and the dynamics of the lasers, they're all preset for animals. As well. So, you know, we cover both humans. This. This laser can cover both humans and animals. That's.

That's fantastic. And a question that I'd love to sort of start to wrap up with, which I've never heard anybody in the laser world discuss this. And it's around chlorophyll and nutrient absorption, et cetera. I'll just open it up right there. What docs need to know.

Well, this laser is also designed to. So I've done the protocols for what's called the Lyme laser centers, and that is the number one protocol in the world for treating Lyme disease. I mean, if anybody's interested in watching this, you go to lymelaser.com I've made. This laser has all of their proprietary frequencies and dynamics for treating Lyme disease. And what that incorporates is. Is enhancing also herbs and plants. So that is incorporated in the human part as well. So any animal. So if you want to let your. If you're taking some so in. In the human body, ATP is our regeneration chemical. Well, in plants, it's their. Their regeneration chemical is chlorophyll. Well, they have different wavelengths. Different. Different wavelengths, different frequencies and everything as far as magnifying them. So you could actually take things that were. We have a skin protocol, for example, so women that want to enhance their skin and make it better, what they do, what we do is they use the plant and the plant setting, if you will, that has all. Getting all the frequencies in the right wavelengths, and it will literally enhance all of the herbs and plants that you're taking. If you're a naturopath or if you're a vitamin take. I mean, we know chiropractors are huge on supplements, right? You can literally use this laser to magnify your vitamins and your minerals and your. And your herbs and plants that you take as well. So all of those settings are in. But again, it's completely different. No other laser world has anything even comes close to that. So you can magnify for the Lyme laser centers. How that works is we are able to magnify the herbs and the plants that deteriorate the biofilms that protect the lime spirochete. So these lasers go in and literally you take these herbs and plants. The lasers go in and magnify all those herbs and plants, which allow for the deterioration of the biofilms. So the. You know, again, nothing's been left out. This thing is fantastic. So if you're a naturopath, if you're. If you're into you know, muscle testing, applied kinesiology and you're doing it and you want to get the maximum out of your vitamins and your minerals. This laser will do that.

That's powerful. Doug. This has been super enlightening. I feel like we went through a 200 hour course in 30 minutes and I hope everybody listening and, and watching really I'm going to encourage everybody listen back. This is, this is, this is one of those episodes you're going to want to listen to again because we went through a massive amount of information. Final question I have for you today. It's just around price and implementation. We went through a lot of technical details which are awesome. It is super clear that you have command knowledge to say the least of what's going on in the laser world. But many docs out there, this might be their first foray or perhaps they bought a laser in the past and they, they weren't really able to utilize it in the, in the way that they hoped. When you think about at bluehonest price and implementation, what docs need to know.

Well, it's all about value and fast is, fast is better than free. I always say that this is as far as fast is concerned. You're going to get your fastest results with this. You get the fastest laser to learn how to use. It's also the fastest laser to use and you also have your return on investment. If you, it's, you want to get your money back, you get, you, you can do humans, you can do, you can enhance their plants and their herbs and their vitamins, you can do it on animals, you can do it. I mean you have everything is covered. You can do skin, you can do fat, you could do everything that you want with this laser. So your return on investment is huge. And as far as the increase in patients, when you patients come in and you say that you have the newest, most high tech, only full spectrum laser in the world and your results are happening, I mean the average treatment is four minutes. I mean, yeah, I mean this isn't 40 minutes. And again we have the research. By the way, there's a Dr. Francisco Sidral who has done some incredible. He is probably the number one researcher in the world right now as far as laser is concerned. And he did a whole comparison of time versus the nanometers versus the power versus the frequencies. And you would have to use a one diode with a low energy for 200 minutes to max to match what the Pro VX does in two minutes. So what, how long do you want to Use this thing. Do you going to give it to your patient and just haven't have them do it until you, until the next patient shows up? No, this is, this is designed in four minutes. If you want to do another setting, another four minutes. This isn't taking you, you know, nobody has to sit there for a half hour to do this. So that's, you know, this is a fastest one and we have these things in stock. So when you talk about fast, the delivery is fast as well. So that now money, it's all about value, I can tell you that. And you, you're going to make a, you know, you and I have agreed on making a great offer which I think is a great offer to all of your clientele and all your listeners.

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There's lasers out there. I can tell you that we are a half or a third of the price of the high, high lasers, the high price lasers and we are very compatible with the lasers that are out there. As far as low price, we are definitely in the lower range as far as price is concerned. So when you talk about value of what you're getting and keep in mind I've done this myself, there's no other, there's no engineers involved. I've done everything and I have my own manufacturer that makes everything. So we don't have a middleman, we go directly right to you. So we can give this for a great, great price. Not only that, you get a manual. I mean, here's the manual, Jeff. I mean this thing is, is massive and it's got everything that you would ever need to show you something that's really cool. Like, you know, here's, here's some of that. If you can see, here's a picture of the humans and then in the back you've got the animals. I don't know which animal that is on that page but anyways, everything is, everything is just dialed out for you and the value is there. I mean when you can get a laser for this price, I mean you need to absolutely consider it.

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I can't thank you enough, Jeff. And I wish everybody a good, healthy, happy day.

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