Are You Humble To A Fault?
This content was created by Jesse Ferrell. This content was uploaded by Jesse Ferrell. This is a YouTube podcast episode titled "Are You Humble To A Fault?" (Podcast #12) recorded September 19, 2019 (metadata timestamp Sept 20, 2019). It's an English, interview-style conversation led by Jesse Ferrell with participants Shondell and Lisa Farrell (Tiara and other colleagues are referenced). The group discusses the idea of being "humble to a fault," how humility can limit self-promotion and impact, comparisons to figures like Tony Robbins, stories about coaching events and client feedback, anecdotes about publishing Jesse's book and financial support from mentors, and strategies for scaling reach (online portals, platforms, and leveraging champions).
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This is podcast number 12, and today is September 19, 2019. And we're going to be talking about being humble to a fault. Yeah. And then we're going to get into some of these other areas about the books and so forth. Let's just explore that. Humble to a fault. When you hear that, what does that mean to you? What does that, what is that expressing to you? Are you humble to a fault?
You know, I think when you say humble to a fault, are you.
Not.
Sharing information or giving the attitude because you're trying to not offend people? I think that's humble to a fault. And I'll give you an example. Like Tiara, my daughter, she said, dad, you can't go around and act like you have done nothing. You know, you can't do that. You can't, because other people need to know, even if it helps them out, even if it helps them to understand that this is the journey that I've taken and you can take that journey. You might be helping somebody, is what she said. You may be inspiring somebody, but your humbleness is depriving someone out there at a chance at life. Maybe somebody's about to give up on life, maybe somebody's about to quit, but you're, you're humble to a fault.
Yeah.
You're trying so hard not to look egotistical.
It's a good point. She, she's absolutely spot on with what she said. I, I, I'm glad that she shared that with you. And then I want to talk to you about how you've made an adjustment or not with that. But first, let's, let's stay with that for a second, you and I, oh, let me speak for myself. And then you speak for yourself, because I, I likely can't speak for you, but I don't need you because you're right here. Yeah. But to that point that she says, the one thing that I refuse to be is egotistical, like you said.
Right, Right.
And braggadocious. Because I live from a concept and a theory that says that those that do don't talk, and those that talk don't do right. Those that have, don't talk.
Right.
Those that talk don't have right. A lot of people talk a big game and talk about this, that, and the other. I'd rather show it in my evidence of what I've done or what I'm doing.
Right.
Rather than just merely my words. So I tend to pull back and be, and I find myself being more humble not because I don't want you to know that I've done this, that and the other. Because I'd rather show it.
Right.
And let it be relevant to that conversation, that situation and go around, talk about I've done this, I've done that, and I've done that. That's. I never wanted to be that person. And so I believe. But the problem with that is if we're humble to a fault, not only to Tiara's point, that we may be hurting someone that could use that story or that incentive or that motivation or being inspired by something you've done.
Right.
We are also likely hurting potential opportunities for us to do it and serve our livelihood. Let me just say this to you. Do you know the. Let me ask you, do you. Are you familiar with the. Named Tony Robbins?
Yes.
Yes. Who is Tony Robbins?
So Tony Robbins, I mean, for. From my perspective, is a motivational speaker, very confident person, just based on what I've heard. I haven't really listened to him that much. Right, right.
But. So Tony Robbins is the James Brown and the Michael Jackson of the self help world.
Sure, sure. Yeah.
He, he, he is that person to that space. His net worth is over $400 million.
Right, right.
You know, we do a lot of the exact same stuff that Tony Robbins does.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
And Tony Robbins will tell you how great he is and how great his programs are.
Well, I'll tell you the other thing that, that slows me down with that is Christianity. Right.
Okay.
I'm a devoted Christian. Obviously I'm not perfect, so.
No, no. Work under construction.
That's right. All the time.
Yeah. Especially this dude. Hard work.
But, you know, and, and we, and this is what I told Tiara many times, is that I didn't know any different, but to be a great dad, I wasn't, I wasn't looking at it as.
You made that choice.
I made that choice.
And you lived into that choice.
Yes, yes.
It wasn't an option for you.
Right, Exactly.
Many, many people that choose it as an option. Yeah.
They say, hey, you know what? I remember even being criticized. Right.
Oh, for sure.
And I think one of the things that I've been, I've been more comfortable of is being criticized for decisions that are made because of the information that I have. So my father, you know, when I was a teenage father and my ex wife back then, my girlfriend in high school was pregnant, my father said this, hey, you know, it's not the end of the world. You just have to be a great dad. Right. So let's. We walked around the block A few times. He's like, look, you gonna be scared. You're going to be nervous, but guess what? We're here for you. That changes everything. Right? Because like I said, if 80% of the black households are without fathers, I can imagine how that goes the other way.
Oh, yeah, for sure. And I heard it for sure.
That girl trapped my baby. Right? Right. What's she doing? Trying to. What's she doing? Getting you getting pregnant.
Right.
What's she. But trap you in what? You're a teenager. What can you offer?
Right?
Right.
Very little. You're still learning. You're still learning. Get your whole life.
But. But I never thought it was a big deal that I took care of my children in high school. I never thought it was a big deal. I took care of them when their mom left when I was 22 years old.
Because you knew that was your role, that as your role, you accepted responsibility.
Right.
So. So no such.
Yeah. So why brag? Right?
Yeah.
And then. But she's saying, you're not bragging, dad. You might be helping another in the.
Same situation that doesn't know how to do that. That doesn't know how to make that choice.
Right.
So I like that. That's really good. So we're going to tag team back and forth with this. So going back to the Tony Robbins thing. So Tony Robbins, he takes the stage. He speaks from the stage. Right? We take the stage. We speak from the stage. He speaks for his own organization and all people come to him. We typically speak for other organizations. We're doing some on our own now too. But we speak for other organizations.
Right.
He coaches executives and entrepreneurs and celebrities and so forth and so on. We have coached celebrities. Right. We coach entrepreneurs, we coach leaders.
Right.
Okay.
Right.
He reads a lot of books and he writes books. We read a lot of books and we write books. What is the difference, do you think, between and his style? I'll tell you, Tony Robbins has a unique style. He's verbose. He's big. Big. His voice is almost hoarse all the time. Because he screams all the time.
Right, right, right.
He doesn't realize, but at some point his voice is going to say, sure, I'm out.
Right.
Because he thrashes his voice. Yeah. I take care of my voice because I had a situation after I lost my voice.
Yeah.
I booked three speaking engagements too close to one another. They were all day engagements. After the third day, my voice says.
We'Re out, we're done. Right.
And I lost it for 18 weeks.
Yeah.
It's like any Other.
It was, it was scary. I didn't. Anyway, with all that being said, Tony's a more verbose in your face kind of guy. Even in his style.
That's his style.
Yeah. I prefer a style of finesse. Sure. That's just my preference. I mean, it fits me better to finesse it on you. Yeah, but. But what? Other than, other than our actual character differences in style, we're doing exactly the same thing. What do you think the biggest difference between Tony Robin and Jesse Farrell or just off?
You know, I don't, honestly, I don't see much difference. And I'm going to tell you what I, why I don't see much difference. I think that your, your substance and style is one of the reasons why we became friends.
And this is what's one. If I was Tony Robbins, if I was Tony Robbins style, we wouldn't be friends, right? No, no, exactly. Because I would be all up in your face all the time and you'd be like, who's this guy up in my face? I don't know you. Right. Yeah.
And even before I got to really know you. Right. And many people don't know this, but I'll give this audience in podcast world and everything, this is that I, I, I, I read your book. I watched you speak. I saw it was coming from a place of being genuine.
It was integrity.
It was all integrity.
Yeah.
It's all integrity with me.
Yeah.
I'm a people watcher and I was.
That kid that was attractive. Yeah. You were attracted.
Yeah.
Wait a minute. Yeah. He didn't just write that book, he lives that book.
Yeah. And I tell you, it's interesting. As a kid, you know, we, we as kids in New York, we ride the subway, right. And we have nothing to do but either read a book or, or watch.
People or shenanigans, right?
Well, yeah, I wasn't much in the shenanigans. I was that person that watched people.
Right.
I watched people. I watched the guy who came on begging for change.
Guess what? That's what I have always done as well.
Yeah.
I've always watched people. But can you imagine as a little.
Person, but can you imagine being on a one hour train ride and people are coming and people are going. And you're seeing all different type of cultures. You're seeing white, you're seeing Italian.
Oh, you're seeing. It's the rainbow coalition.
So what I did is, but what I noticed is, and this is why, this is why I have a hard time with most people. What I noticed is a Family comes onto the subway, there's a mom, a dad, kids. Another family comes on. Mom and dad, kids. Aside from their color and their culture, they are typically the same.
I agree.
You know what I mean?
I 100% agree. Let me tag on to what you're saying. I've said this before, and I get some objection when I say this. At the end of the day, we're all one people and we're all actually living the same lives.
Right?
Right to the point you just said. And here's what I say to that. Chandel. And it's on a pendulum.
Yeah.
And we're all at different places on that pendulum. And by the way, I call it a pendulum. Life is not all forward, forward, forward, backwards, backwards, backwards. For everybody, life is typically a roller coaster ride. And forwards and backwards. So that's why I call it a pendulum.
Right.
So at the end of the day, we're all on that pendulum living the same kind of life. So at the end of the day, we're all one people. Yeah. And we're all seeking to do the same thing. You know why? Because it's in the hardware, it's in the biology. We're all seeking to, at the base level, survive.
Right.
And what does that take? That takes food to survive everyone.
Right.
That takes domicile that you can call your safe place, your sanctuary, your home, your apartment, your space. You need that to feel protected from the predators because they're out there. And sex, procreation, that's hardwired in all of us. The only people that. That's not healthy in are the people that are mentally unhealthy in some way. Some. Some of that may be disturbed. But. So that's the only exception. Other than that we're all living the same lives. Which is at different points on the pendulum. Yeah. Yes or no? Yeah. Yeah.
And based on your experience and based on your limitations. Right. And that's.
You say based on. I say that affects what that pendulum swing looks like. But at the end of the day, we're all seeking to do the same. Same things.
Yeah, we're all seeking. But the thing that limits us is our perspective, 100%.
Our perspectives, our thoughts.
Right.
Which is connected to perspective, our actions. Yeah.
So when you talk about, like what I was talking about before we came on air was like, okay, first of all, being. Your humility to me is impacted by what your attitude is. Right.
100%.
So me going and working and gaming or going in the military. The military. To me, the things we were doing was Not a big deal. Because I was doing my job.
Because you were following orders.
I was following orders.
It's bigger than doing your job.
And here's the crazy thing, and when I shared this with you before, is that we were playing war games with video games. That was the new technology. Whether it was drone or stealth or whatever. We were playing games. We were. We couldn't talk about what we were doing anyway because it was all top secret stuff.
Right.
So it was. It was no big deal. But even when I went to stations, because we were working on new technology with the boarding pass program, ticket in, ticket out, penny games, whatever, it wasn't. It was one of those things where we were just doing something. But it wasn't as big a deal to wait till you reflect.
Right.
So my humility was not necessarily intentional. Sometimes it was just that until I reflected, I didn't know the impact. I didn't know the impact of the boarding pass program until one day I walked into Green Valley Ranch with my wife and said, oh, shoot, she was asking some questions of a tech, a slot tech.
Sure.
And I said, dang, I could answer those questions.
Right.
Because I was part of the team that created the tech.
So you said your humility was not intentional. What I believe you're saying. Let me just check my understanding, is that you're saying that as a natural or native, early in the game, native sense, humility was inside of you. Right. And so at this advanced level. Yeah. You didn't purposefully say, I'm going to move with humility. It was already part of the character, who you are. Yeah.
It was part of the upbringing in the Christian world and saying, hey, be humble, but do God's work, work hard. It was just part of what we. Part of what I did.
Okay. All the time. And part of who you were becoming as well.
Exactly.
So I like that. So that's a good point. So as I flip back and when I close on the Tony Robbins and the question was, what is the difference between Jesse Farrow and Jess Talk, Lisa Farrow, what they do, what's the difference between what we do, what Tony does? If you look at, if you look at his materials, if you look at our materials, there's a lot of crossover. There's a lot of same language. Sure. Same motivation and inspiration. There's a lot of that, but there's one single difference.
What's that?
400 million net worth. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, 400 million net worth. That's the difference between Tony Robbins and Jesse Farrow. Right. He's got it. We don't. You know why? Because he's blown through this thing called humility. He doesn't. He's brash, over the top, speaks what he thinks in his face, tells you how great he is. Sure. On and on and on. He's built system to process and tools. We must. I must learn to realize that my humility, being humble to a fault is costing not just us.
Right.
You know why? You know what? You know what the biggest cost is? You have faith and I have faith. I believe that my faith that I, as part of my expression of who I am becoming, is a custodian of wealth.
Okay.
I can't get what I don't have.
Right, Right.
Well. Right, yeah. No. If I'm a custodian of wealth, I need to figure out how to switch up my game and add fastness to my game and step above that humility. Because the fault is. I will give it away. When we earn it, we will find the right places of people that don't have the avenues or don't have the mindset and doesn't have the structure or don't have the tools. And we're going to find a way to fund those circumstances. Not putting my name on it. That's not what it's about. It's about being a custodian of wealth.
Right.
I'm not saying Tony Robbins is. Or is it. But I'm saying the difference between Tony Robbins other than personality. Yeah. It's $400 million. Yeah. Worth so. So.
And I'll say for. So from my perspective is you can get there, you can be there. Right. But I don't think you have to necessarily alter or change who you are.
Are.
I just think that you have to get more people out there to attach to that same spirit the same way I did.
I agree. I agree.
Right.
So.
So I learned from one of my mentors. Let's say you get a million people.
Okay.
Who are Jesse Farrell's fans.
Sure.
Right. And they get. Once they get to know Jesse Farrell.
Sure.
And they each give you a dollar.
Sure.
And then you get, you get 400 of those people. You're there. Right. I think, I think with people sometimes, Tony Robbins, he's brash. He's doing. But, but he's, he's, he's. He's having those people who are looking for some sort of a savior. They're looking somebody to. They're looking for somebody to inspire them. I think we inspire organically in a different fashion. Right. Yeah. So here's Where. Here's where our mistake is. It's not necessarily changing who we are. It's what Lisa's been telling us a long time. Right.
We.
We don't.
We don't share, you and I, we go on about our business. We're coaching, mentoring, we're doing that, but we're not sharing. And up until this point, with brothers in conversation, we weren't sharing it.
None of that.
Right?
None of that.
The difference is, I think he has shared that. He has really, really shared that to multitudes of people. Where you and I had to be forced.
Yes. Still not. Not still. By tiara.
No, no, no.
Stop it.
Oh, yeah.
Still. It ain't had to be. Is have to be had and have. And I want to bring Lisa in. Two things. Lisa's giving me something to share. But also before I share that, we just had an incredible event at Sierra Nevada Corporation, and there were 18 of their top. Their executive admins, and we did a. We call it reach leadership program Reaches macronament, standing for responsibility, engagement, accountability, connection, and our how you leave them feeling concept.
Gotcha.
We tie that together and then we bring in color code, which is a personality science, and we color code that crew, and we bring those two together.
Right?
Incredible program. And on the first break, one of the executive admins comes up, and she is so exuberant. She's so excited. I want Lisa to step in. Lisa, step in. Tell us what that lady said. This is so cool about. About what she was receiving and how she felt before she got there.
She said, why doesn't the world know about Jesse? Why isn't he Tony Robbins? The world needs more of Jesse.
And say what? She said about how she felt before she came to the event.
She did not want to come to the event. She goes, oh, it's another training. It's another day that I could be doing, getting so much more accomplished. She said at the end of the event. She said it was a wow. And it went like. She said, I could do another two or three days with this man like that.
A person that did not want to come to the event. Right. So thank you, thank you, thank you for listening.
But see, that's what I'm saying. I think.
But that's. See that. That stuff is. That's what you and I strive for, that we're focused on affecting people. We're focused on being a difference maker. We're focused on having an impact and inspiring and. And that sort of stuff. We're not focused on. Look how great I am.
Right? No, no, it's that. And the thing is, though, is we're so focused on that. And I would say this. We are so focused on that that we're not sharing that we're not sharing with what Lisa just shared.
Right.
That's what Tierra was saying. Tiara saying, dad, I got people who are sending emails calling you, begging to meet. Listen, the issue is, is that we're thinking. I. We're happy with that response.
Right, right. Oh, gratified.
We're, we're not looking to capitalize monetarily on this person's pain and suffering.
If it wasn't for this program, I would have never even mentioned it.
That's my point. That's my point.
We have countless, we have countless cases. You know, Lisa says she's got a comment on humility and I want to hear what that is. What's that comment? Someone, Someone on Facebook is commenting on humility.
So Lisa Dillard Allen Scott.
Oh, yeah, I know Dillard.
Humility often can keep us in a neutral state of mind, leaving us unable to shift to where we need to be. We, we can't become complacent with progressing without exposing ourselves to the elements of life.
Bring that over and take my space and say it into the mic because that's big. Because we're going to spin off that this is Dylan Ellen style. Somebody you know.
Yeah, I know Dylan.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, he actually said. Hi, Jesse.
Oh, hey there, Dylan.
Okay, so humility often. Okay, hang on. Humility often can keep us in a neutral state of mind, leaving us unable to shift to where we need to be. We can't become complacent with progressing without exposing ourselves to the elements of life.
Yeah. Would you, would you join me in a standing round of applause for. Yeah. Yeah.
And he spot on with that.
Cuz he. Because he's saying if you and I don't shift, we're hurting ourselves.
Yeah.
We're hurting our progress and we're hurting.
Jesse, listen, again, that is not uncommon, though. I want, I want, I want everybody.
Can you say I'm coming with us or Common is away.
Oprah, from what I understood, and when we were at this conference or whatever, one of Oprah's, I guess, manager or something said that she was happy with having a show.
Of course.
Right. I came from here in Chicago to having a talk show that rivaled with Johnny Carson, with Dave, you know, with Donahue, all those. Yeah, she was on the big stage.
Yeah. Big time.
For all intents purposes. She made it and she was actually.
Told before she was on that big stage that she didn't have the right look.
Right.
And she didn't. She. She wasn't never going to be worthy to be on the screen. She was told, you are not worthy of it.
Exactly. So we have that natural ability to converse and talk to. But we don't think it's a big deal.
No. Because we're focused on the practice and the continued elevation.
Right. So we need other people, like, always. And it's funny because, like, Dillard. Like Dillard. Right, right.
Or.
Or like Alexis. Like, until Alexis came to some new marketing. I was sitting back, you know, Tiara was like, dad, we gotta get you this.
Okay?
But Alexis, Alexis, an intern from UNLV came in.
I just met her, and I dig that little woman too.
She came in and she said, oh, my God. She read through all of this material for forever. She said, oh, my God, do you.
Know what you have here?
Right?
And guess what happened, Jesse? Same thing she said that day when I went to speak at unlv, she was like, ah, hold home another day. And then I spoke, and then she immediately emailed me and said, could she come?
Intern?
Can I be it?
Didn't ask for a paycheck. Didn't ask for a paycheck.
Yeah, we.
Even when we offer her, hey, you know, we got a program that can. No worries. I just want to be here. Wow. I just want to soak this up.
Lisa's right. We need that.
And then when she read it, you tell me she goes, oh, yeah. She was just like, oh, my God.
Yeah.
And so I'm. I'm saying, oh, my God.
What? So. So. So to your point, we need others. Yeah. So let's. Let's go backwards a little bit. I'm gonna take you, a Canadian.
Okay.
Anthony Ciccone. When I was in corporate America and I was struggling, I never told him I was struggling, but he could see it. Very intuitive guy, highly intelligent, great family by way of Rome. They live. They lived in Canada all their lives. The kids, second generation, you know, in Canada.
I just talked to a guy from Toronto, and Canada is probably one of the most diverse places. Oh, I have no idea.
Let me just tell you. Let me just say this to you. If it wasn't for the Ceccconi family first, Vittorio Ciccone was the father, was my casino marketing client.
Okay.
He introduced me to his sons, which were Sal, Rob, and Anthony.
Okay.
Okay.
And then Anthony and Rob and Sal introduced me to their son. I'm third generation of the Ciccone. Serving the Ciccones now. Wow. And. But let's go back to Anthony. So Anthony's.
Are you Jesse Jacone?
Yeah. I'm speaking with my hands, aren't I? So check it out. Really, really fast story, really short. Anthony comes to the Rio, and he sees me in a lot of trouble, and he says, jess, I've been watching you. He says, you're better with people than you think you are.
Okay?
He says, I watch you handle my father. Nobody handles my father like you.
Okay.
I watch you handle other people. He says, nobody handles people like you. He says, I know. I can see something's going on with you, and if you're. And I believe you're struggling, he says, you need to consider shifting your field of reference in terms of what you do, where you're closer, connected with being a difference maker in people's lives, because you made a difference in my life.
And in my family's life.
I thought he was full of it. I didn't believe it because no one had ever told me that. To your point, we need other people. Then I pick up another Canadian, Ryan Tracy. His book, Action Strategies for Personal Achievement, right? And Brian says, if you do not know your best gifts and talents, ask 15 people that know you well, because they know them even if you don't. So I took Anthony's one and I added 14 more, and they all said the same thing that Anthony was saying. I never knew that.
Right?
So sometimes we do need other people to help. To your point, this happens all the time, right? John Bradley. John Bradley, out of Oregon, amazing guy. Just a great businessman, entrepreneur, super family man, great father, dedicated, a wonderful friend. This guy just. He's the full package, right? When I was writing the book, John Bradley says he knew I was writing. He says, yes. So he said, how you gonna. How are you gonna get that published? I go, you know, I'm really not sure. And he asked me three times. On the fourth time, he suggests, do me a favor on Wednesday, clear your calendar. He said, I'm gonna fly the Learjet down, and I'm taking you to dinner, okay? And we're gonna have a conversation about how you're gonna publish. So I go, okay. So he flies down. I meet him at mgm, and before we sit down, he gives me a check. He hands a check to me for $10,000, okay? He said, I'm giving you this check to help you publish the book. How you leave them feeling, because the world needs that message, and you're the best person to give it. He says, and here's why I'm doing it.
Sure.
I'm giving this to you. He says it'd be great if the book. If the book makes millions, that's great. But if it only makes a dollar, I don't really care.
Right.
I'm giving this to you because of what you've done helped me and my family over the years.
Yeah.
Four people did the same thing that I never asked.
Yeah.
I never asked them. They came to me and said, so how do you leave the Feeling got published. I use the $40,000. Actually, 44,000, because one gave me 14 to publish it. And I paid all of them back within that first year from the book sales.
Yeah.
Tell me your thoughts. Tell me your thoughts about that. When you're talking about humility.
Well, you know, again, it goes back to the fact that we are horrible at promoting ourselves. Right. Because we don't.
That's gotta change.
Well, yeah, that's. That's the. But, but see, the issue is more than that's gotta change, we gotta have other people promote us, just like you just said.
Absolutely.
Unfortunately for us, you know, we are ingrained in that humility. Funny, we don't see it as a big deal.
Funny, you're spot on. Lisa and I had a conversation. We got a brilliant client out of San Jose, California, that he so believes in the power of what we can do, that we're serving his account. He has accounting from his partner. It's Scott and Bob. They're the partners. They have clients that they want to feel the power of what we do because we're doing it for them.
Yeah.
Yesterday we had a phone call and he was saying, jess, let me champion this cause. Let me cut this deal, let me work this out. He's asking me, can I do what you're telling me we need to let people do.
This is why. This is why what Alexis was telling you guys yesterday is that's why Tiara created the sum of the solutions, okay. Because she wants to galvanize all of these people.
Right. So.
So because we have these one offs.
Tell us about that.
You have these. We have these one off conversations. Like you just said, you're talking to this person, that person. What if, what if in a LinkedIn or Facebook scenario, you have all of these people experiencing the same thing at the same time. Right. Imagine if a million people are experiencing that same thing at the same time. Imagine if 10 million people are experiencing that same thing at the same time. So what Tierra created was the some new solution zone. So this way Everybody can experience the same thing. Because what used to happen for me is I have a classroom that can only hold 28 people.
Right.
Jess, we always sell out. You saw it next level, right. Full boots, the business, full whatever. These classes, they're full, Right. But that's only 30 people.
Right.
So imagine if a million people are tuning in at the same time, getting the same message, and then they have a dialogue back and forth saying exactly.
What you just said.
The problem is. The difference is, is the Tony Robbins. And those guys may have more people.
Sure.
Engage in talking about them.
Yeah.
Oprah had a television show, right. Where it blossomed in the network, right. And now Weight Watchers and now blah, blah, blah.
Right.
But they have a platform, Right. Jay Z has his record label or. And he has his. His own streaming service, whatever. So he has all of these ways to show people, Right. Connect with people beyond saying release. You know, people have those with Jess and Shondell, the humility piece. And probably, you know, what Dillard is talking about is we have not tapped into those resources.
Not at all. Yeah. We're literally on the outside looking through the window. So that's something. Lisa Farrell's been asking me to step a game up in this since I've known her. Yeah. She told us.
Everybody has to hear us, right?
That's right. She's the one that she. She's the. She's the godmother of all of us. Yeah. Yeah.
And so what in Tiara's been telling me for years, so she said, hey, Dad, I want to create an online portal where people can come in and experience you on a regular basis because you can't meet with all those people. Right. You can't do the old school. Call Frankie.
That's right.
Call Frankie, meet with him. Because then everybody sits in there for 30.
But you can't touch him in volume. Yes. You can't touch him. Yeah. And she's spot on, Sierra. Spot on. And Lisa again. Okay, I'm gonna talk about Lisa in a second. And Tiara hold me to bring me back to the stock. I'm gonna put someone depart. All right. Luther Bandro said it best. Everyone needs someone else to have no champion there, man.
I did. I did.
Teddy. Funny. Come on, do. That was good. That was good. That was good. That was a lighter moment in the program. We. We. We like temperature gauges. We have some fun with it. But Luther said it. Yeah, Luther said everybody needs someone else to help champion their cause. When he said that, I rewound it.
That's true.
And he was on the. He was on a BET program, and they were interviewing and super short. But this is so important where that came from. That was good. The End of Era was going to tell Luther. Luther about the times he had been booed off the stage at the Apollo. And Luther says, before you get into that, let's get this straight. I was not booed off the Apollo stage four times.
Right.
He says, four times I competed and four times I did not win.
Right.
Because there was a. There was a group before me that performed, and they were imitating the Temptations. And every time, that one singer with that little note, like Melbourne.
Yeah.
Do you know the Melvin? Oh, yeah. Well, Melvin. When Melvin does. Yeah, yeah. Every time you would hit that, There he goes. Right? Yeah, right, right on the Shondel, doing what Luther had to face.
But, you know, the part was this. And mama, some folks going around town talking.
Right, right, right, right, Right.
That's it.
So losing that guy would hit that note, and he said the crowd would go nuts.
Yeah, see, you couldn't beat it.
And he said, but what that taught him was careers like this was nothing more than a series of rejections. And this was a test to his conviction. Am I going to keep practicing my gift even amongst all this rejection?
Rejection, right.
He says, no matter who you are.
Yeah.
Everybody needs someone else to help champion their cause.
And who was his champion?
Luther. Luther's champion was Dion Warwick. Roberta Flack.
Yeah.
And David Bowie. Those are the people that champion him. Roberta Black, they were on. They were on tour. Roberta Flex and Luther, because she. He was doing backups.
Right, right.
Said, luca, Luther, I want you to warm up to mic. Get to get everything all set. I got to go do interviews.
Yeah.
She. So when she left, the room was dark. Luther said he start crooning every one of Roberta Flack's top hits. He said he was just doing it. Nobody. It was a dark room. He said the lights came on, and she was sitting in the front row.
Right.
And she said, luther, I am lovingly firing you. You were getting way too good to be behind me singing oohs and all these.
Exactly.
That's what happened. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So she took him to get his first record deal. When he got there, the guy said, where'd you find him? Yeah. And Luther had mentioned that he had been there before. Well, who'd you speak to that did science? He said, no, I'm not getting anybody in any trouble. And David Boyd, he was at his friend's. Was at the studio, and his friend was a guitarist for David Boyd, and he was playing. And Luther said, that's good, but it's missing a hook. He says, what do you mean? And Luther did. Give me another Luther. Do a Luther. Let's see. A chair is still a chair. There we go. Even when there's no wall sitting there. There it is. Luther. Luther did his thing. Luther did his thing. And David, boy was three flights up, dropped down and said, you have got an angelic voice. Do that again. Luther did it again. He says, how would you like to sing background on my. On the snooch on this track? He says, if you put my name on the album, I'll do it right. See, back then, the background singers didn't get credit.
Exactly.
So they. That's who championed his company.
I'll tell you a funny, even similar story if you ever listen to Bubba Knight. And I told Craig that he has to do Bubba's interviews on KCP again. Bubba Knight, the Pip from Glass.
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