In this Fearless episode, host John Murphy interviews John Giganti, founder of the Giganti Group and author of With Intention. Giganti shares his life story—from an immigrant family in Cleveland, a D‑I athlete, and a corporate sales career to personal crises including divorce, panic attacks, and epilepsy. He explains how he transformed these challenges into a coaching practice that helps people transcend fear. Core concepts discussed include the “choice moments” framework (stimulus, narrative, decision, response), the importance of mindful self‑awareness and root‑cause analysis for fear, the power of vulnerability and authenticity in leadership, the “reversal of desire” technique (moving toward fear), and the ABC conversation model (A→B→C) for incremental progress. Giganti also highlights faith‑based perspectives on fear, the use of “I am” identity statements, and practical tools such as Toastmasters, speaking coaches, and James Clear’s habit insights. The conversation is interspersed with personal anecdotes, scriptural references, and promotional mentions of Fuel courses and AI bots. The episode concludes with actionable advice for listeners to adopt a growth mindset, trust a higher power, and practice daily proof of self‑belief.
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Well, good morning, everyone, and happy Friday. I'm John Murphy and this is Fearless. And the whole idea of Fearless is to share ideas and strategies and tips with you on how to just get past that barrier, that real barrier to success, to just get— take your foot off the brake, so to speak. There's no sense in going through life with the brakes on. And so, today, we have an awesome guest, John Giganti, also a Fuel instructor, and he's got a course called the $20,000 Keynote. with Todd Duncan, the co-founder of Fuel. So I encourage you to check that out. All of these episodes are recorded and then reposted on YouTube. So if you've missed an episode or you want to go back and see an episode over, I certainly encourage you to do that. And then share, please. We want to reach as many people as we can with these ideas and helpful tips. So please do that. And check out Fuel and all of the great instructors and courses there. I have 3 courses with Fuel, Creative Problem Solving, Leading with Wisdom, and Beyond Doubt. So, check those out. I also have an AI bot now where you can converse with me at any time from anywhere in the world, 24/7 through my bot, which is downloaded with 30-plus years of my work, my body of work, the 20 books I've written and the courses I've taught, the interviews I've done, the speeches, all of that loaded into the bot. We have several bots and it's growing. Now, so you can actually interact with the Fuel team on a variety of amazing topics through the bots. They're quite— they're amazing. I've even had conversations with myself, and I think my bot's smarter than I am half the time. So, check it out. So, John Giganti, the founder of the Giganti Group. John's based in Columbus, Ohio. He was a former D1 athlete. He might tell you some stories about that, a sales leader. And his whole mission is to really help people to transcend fear, respond differently to it. He'll reference choice moments. What are these choice moments all about? And he's also a bestselling book. USA Today awarded his book With Intention as a bestseller. So, we talk about intention quite a bit in this show. So, with that, let me welcome John Giganti to the show. John, hello.
Hey, John. Great to be here. Thank you so much. Really appreciate all you bring to the world. Thank you.
Oh, you're so welcome. So, John, give us a quick story about how you landed exactly where you are right now. You know, you got 25 years' experience. I know you're married, 3 kids. So, you've been raising a family. You've been coaching, I think, your daughter in soccer. You were a great soccer player. So, talk to us just a little about your story. And then, if you would, I call them moments of truth, your choice moments.
Yeah.
So, you had to make a decision to not react, I think is how you like to put it, not react to fear, but respond differently, not let it stop you in your tracks.
Yeah.
And for our audience, we all get a little bit nervous or anxious sometimes. Maybe it's an interview you're going into or a performance review. Maybe it's a sales call you're going into. It's getting up on stage to give a talk. You just got to speak up in a meeting. I mean, there's all these opportunities to sort of freeze.
Yeah.
And we've all been there. But if you really want to grow and expand yourself and be truly successful and happy in your life because no one wants to live with regret, I wish I would have done that. That's not where you want to be. So, John, how did you get past all this?
Yeah. So, let me first start out with this premise or this framework I learned from a marriage coach that my wife and I go to, Julia Woods. And she says life is all about data and meaning. And for much of my life, we all have data coming in all the time and we have the choice to attribute meaning to it. And I'll share a little bit of the backstory because I think it'll make sense. I'm not sure I was very good at attributing the right meaning to the data. And so, let me take you back. We talked before the show a little bit about, I grew up in Cleveland, son of an immigrant. My dad came over from Italy when he was 6. So, very blue-collar, first person to go to college. My mom as well in her family, they were both teachers. And so, my dad was a wrestler. He wrestled at Bowling Green, which is where I ended up going to play soccer. But hardworking, worked multiple jobs. There was always this really, really blue-collar work ethic, like I said. I got home from school in 5th grade and my dad wasn't home. And he was in the hospital. He had what they deemed a nervous breakdown. He was struggling with some mental health stuff. And, you know, it is one of those things. You are in 5th grade. I did not really understand it, honestly. I lived a great life. It was not like there was a ton of family issues or anything like that. But it was one of these things. He went to visit my dad in the hospital, came home. He came home 2 weeks later, and we kind of swept it under the rug, John. We did not really talk about it much. And it was just, you know, pride, right? Like, it is just one of those things. You just sweep it and you move on. So, I was fortunate. I was a pretty good athlete growing up and got into soccer really big and ended up, you know, you get in the right environment, coaching and teammates and everything else. And that really became my identity and probably, looking back, my safe place. To kind of block everything out and just jump into. So, I was fortunate to play in some great teams, won a couple of high school state titles, and ended up going with some of my high school teammates to Bowling Green and had a pretty good run, a couple of NCAA tournaments in college. But it wasn't all sunshine and roses. And I didn't, I didn't know it at the time, but all that sweeping stuff under the rug, and I never had any mental health stuff, honestly, going through this. And all of a sudden, I go to school. My parents went through a messy divorce after my freshman year of college, and I went back to school. And for the first time, I kind of felt myself cratering a little bit. I remember I was running. We did this thing. It's called the Cooper Test, 2 miles in 12 minutes around the track. Very painful. Back-to-back 6-minute miles. I know you were an athlete, so you've been through the gauntlet of some of these training things.
Yeah, I had to do exactly the same thing.
Did you?
Yeah.
So, I would always run it like 11 minutes, and I went back and I was a midfielder, so I could run all day. But the first time I felt my brain kind of go, you're not good enough, those doubts started to creep in. And I ended up, I would call it bonking out. And I ran this thing in like 14 minutes. It was just like the first time I ever felt myself not being gritty and resilient and getting through it. Looking back now, it's clear as day that I wasn't dealing with some of the baggage from growing up and not no blame on my parents. They were amazing. It's just, you know, you go through stuff. I remember thinking when they were going through the divorce, like, they're going through it. It's not about me. But I never said anything to teammates, coaches, nothing. I just went back into the grind of the season. And, you know, you've got to be at that level. You've got to be— the mindset is crucial. And I had— I earned a starting job, had some good games early in that season. And then I just found myself kind of on and off of being at a really high level and then really struggling. And I give you an example, like first touch. If my first touch in the game is really good, Man, I get some confidence and I go. If I had a bad touch, it would— all those doubts would kick in and it would snowball. And so, you know, again, at that level, it's all about the margins. And I found myself kind of up and down the rest of my career on starting position, on the bench. And, and my identity was in soccer wholeheartedly back then. It's not anymore. I'm a pretty faith-driven guy now, thankfully. But so I failed. And that led to a lot of deep, you know, struggle and depression and anxiety and numbing the pain and trying to move to Chicago and I got into the business world, so I kind of had success on the sports field and then failures. Got into the business world, had a lot of success early. I was pretty selfish. I eventually got into sales. I found myself— I closed a couple of deals early in my career. I got cocky. I remember my boss came to me about Salesforce and like documenting some sales things. And I'm like, I don't care about that. You know, all that pipeline and sales management stuff. I just want to close business. Like, I was just an arrogant 27, 28-year-old. Well, lo and behold, this is how this this stuff works. Is a couple years later, I found myself having panic attacks presenting when I go, and that's not never good for a salesperson. Now this here's what's crazy about this. When I was a freshman in high school at St. Ed's in Cleveland, I was the speech champion out of 250 kids in high school my freshman year. Repped that speech so much with my mom at like five thirty in the morning. So there's an element to the unseen hours and repping, and I got a little cocky there that thought I was just a natural. I'm a natural speaker. I'm so good. And so, all of a sudden, I'm 30 years old and I'm at this crazy inflection point, like, holy cow, I don't know if I can get back from this. I'm struggling to even present. And thankfully, I got introduced to this thing called Toastmasters, which I went to for 2 years straight every Thursday morning, Vineyard Church in Westerville down the street from here. And I just figured it out and I took every opportunity to speak. And I had a bit of a faith journey of just like, it's not about me. There's a bigger calling here. And had 3 young kids at the time and knew— almost lost my marriage during this time because as I was going through this, I probably wasn't the best husband and father. But that's when I first learned about this idea of choices. And we all have an opportunity. I've heard you say this in some of your stuff. Everybody's got greatness inside of them, right? It's our gift back to the world is to live into our potential and then to pay it forward and give it back. And so, I just started this journey of, and that's where With Intention came from, of, man, if I could make my way back from this speaking struggle, make those right choices at the right times, honestly, do it scared because believe me, I still have scar tissue sometimes before I give a lot of talks now. There is an element of fear, right? I channel it into excitement now, and I do a lot of work to rehearse and prep. But then I also trust it and let it fly. And it is funny now, John, because I share this story a lot of times from the stage, and people are like, man, I did not expect that. And let me share my story with you. So, when we, when we open ourselves up a bit, it is amazing what that can do for other people. So, I know I kind of jumped in a lot. I will pause there and see if you have any thoughts or questions.
Yeah. Well, one thing just triggered my mind because I know you're a certified John Maxwell coach, and I just saw John speak here in West Palm Beach, I don't know, a couple of months ago. And he told an interesting story. He said somebody came up to him one time, a young person, and said, I want to do what you do.
Yeah. Yeah.
And he said, well, are you willing to do what I did? To do what I do, you got to be willing to do what I did.
Yes.
Which was decades of what you and I are talking about, you know, struggle. I also saw something really kind of clever the other day and it said, you know, life, you know, when you're going through life like a GPS system, you have to autocorrect from time to time. You know how you take the wrong street and it's got to reboot and say, okay, now turn around and go the other way. Well, isn't that life? You know, we We get hit with these setbacks and these, what you call, like, choice moments.
Yeah.
And, you know, the choices we make, and I comment about this a lot, is that we make tens of thousands of choices a day.
Yeah.
People are like, well, that's— how is that even possible? And when you break it down, every word you speak is a choice. When you say it is a choice. If you say it is a choice. Who you say it to is a choice. to somebody, especially if they've insulted you or whatever, is a choice.
Yeah.
Everything. And I like to call it minding the mind. So, when we become truly mindful and self-aware, which is one of the most important competencies in emotional intelligence, self-awareness is we start to really pay attention to what am I feeling? And fear is a feeling. Doubt, anxiety is a feeling. And it's telling your body to sweat and your heart to pump. Then why am I feeling that? I know, like you, I'm a business consultant and a coach, and I go into companies and I teach root cause analysis. So, if you're feeling something undesirable or experiencing something undesirable, you're not getting good results.
Yeah.
Why? Let's do the root cause analysis and let's find out why. And with fear, and I like your comments on this, with fear, it's because we're not present. We can't be afraid if our mind, our conscious mind is present. We're only afraid when the mind is looking ahead and is thinking something could go wrong.
Yeah.
You know, I could say something stupid up on stage. I could trip and fall going up the stairs. I could freeze. I could forget what to say.
Yeah.
And those images, self-created images trigger what? what is fear? And, you know, you mentioned about some mental nervous issues. I've never really shared this. I've certainly not shared it on Fearless, but I was diagnosed with epilepsy a few years ago. I was having 5 or 6 seizures a day, and I have had seizures in front of audiences. And it's freaky, you know, like, and so I was initially, before I got it treated, I've been treated now in a number of different techniques to eliminate it, so to speak. But I used to just get up in front of an audience and say, hey, it's possible that I might sort of go out of space here for 10 or 15 seconds. Don't worry, I'm not going to pass out and have a heart attack. It's just something I'm dealing with. So, I felt like I have to confront it so that they don't freak out when I space out. It was kind of like this sort of out-of-body thing.
Yeah, yeah.
And it wasn't an epileptic seizure where you're You're shaking on the ground or anything like that. But these were like 10 to 15 second blips where I just anyway and and so I mean that was frightening because if I was projecting it was going to happen yeah the more I focus on it the more likely it is to happen right yes and what I learned is that by telling them it might happen then it didn't you know it's like I confronted it and it It didn't happen.
Yeah.
And then there were other times when it did. So, you know, there was a period of time for, for, uh, that over a year I couldn't drive. So, I had to get, I had to get help. I had multiple MRIs on my brain. Um, I mean, all kinds of tests. But anyways, so I'm not worried about having one now. Let me put it that way. So, yeah. So, when you think about fear, the root cause being there's something going on in my mind. that looks negative, looks like I could hurt myself or humiliate myself or something could go wrong with someone I care about. It's a projection.
Sure.
Talk a little bit about that, you know, and how you overcome any negative, if you will, thinking with positive intention.
Yeah. Yeah. So, thanks for sharing that, by the way, on the epilepsy. Wow. That's— and I love how you frame that of you put it out there. Right? So the audience knows, and then if it happens, they're— you just roll with it. There's a couple things come to mind. One, there's a movie called A Fault in Our Stars. I think that's the title of it. It was a book. Great movie. It's about 2 18-year-old kids, teenagers who are going— they have— they're dying of cancer. And the one guy has— puts a cigarette in his mouth, and his— the girl who also has cancer is like, gets mad at him and Rips it out, and she's like, "What are you doing? You have cancer." And he's like, "Look, it's not. It's not lit. I don't smoke. I put it in my mouth because I don't want to give it power." And it's a metaphor for you know not giving the cancer power. That's essentially what he was saying. And I that I get chills even saying it because I and I recommend anybody go look at the clip. You can you can look it up and see it. I have found by being open about this and talking openly, I take away its power. And so, when I go and I share the story to an audience, one, it builds trust and rapport because it is, hey, this guy is not just getting up talking about how great he is. It is, no, let me tell you about my failures. And I think it is kind of funny that I am speaking to audiences about not being able to speak. And by the way, You know, it's the number 2 fear in the world behind death, I think, is public speaking. And I work with a lot of people now because they hear my story like, oh my gosh, I'm so afraid to speak. What's your— what do you recommend? What's your advice? And I— so, I love that, having conversations. And I always say, you're thinking too much about yourself, right? So, you think about what you talk about, Brian Byro, ego versus wego. I love— I mean, it is ego. And if I had to get out of my own head and there were a lot of reps to get there, but I had a speaking coach, Michael Port. Amazing. Heroic is his company. But he— I built a speech with his team a few years back when I was first diving into this world, and it was kind of high level on servant leadership. And I sent him an email and I'm like, hey, I just want to let you know how important speaking is to me. I was a speech champion, and then I had these panic attacks and went through these mental health battles, and I'm fighting my way back. I just feel like God's called me to speak. And he wrote back, he goes, well, there's your speech. So I threw away my old speech. And I decided to then be very open with my experience, which then led to me actually writing the book With Intention, where I'm very open about this path back. So I think it's that element of not giving it the power and say, and then you've got to do the work. It doesn't just happen. You got to do, do the work to live into it. But there's I'm a Christian, so, and this will be regardless of faith applicable to anybody. But there's— I read the Bible for the first time ever fully in 2015 when I was going through this kind of reawakening, I would say. And there's a passage in 2 Corinthians where Paul asked Jesus to remove a thorn from his side, and he asked him 3 times. And essentially Jesus says, hey man, no, your power or my power is made perfect in your weakness. And when you are weak, then you are strong. And that blew my mind, John, because I'm like, oh, I don't have to hide from this any longer. I can show up as I am wholeheartedly and intentionally and authentically, vulnerably, dare I say vulnerable, right? And I talk to leaders all the time, like, man, vulnerability is a superpower for any leader, in my opinion. And most, especially guys, we never want to let our guard down. But man, the moment you let your guard down a little bit is the moment you build a lot of trust with people. So, That's the mission. That's my last 11 years, I would say. So, to go back to your, you know, I did the John Maxwell thing back. I was still in the corporate world, but I've been intrigued with leadership development my whole life. I read a book called The Edge. Howard Ferguson was a wrestling coach at St. Ed's. I was in 8th grade when I read it. It was all motivational quotes. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I was so inspired by it as I was a young athlete. So, I kind of knew I was always going to get into this line of work. It just took me a long time to get there and a lot of bumps. And so, Yeah, the fear. I still have fear. I'm not— it's never going to fully go away. We all as humans will have fear. It's our reassessment of it, right? It's that data and meaning. And I've really learned to just say, hey, the data, here's the data. It is what it is. And I have the choice to assess the meaning to it. And there's— I'll say this for the audience, watch the— and for you, I don't know if you've seen— have you seen Stutz on Netflix, the documentary? Okay. So, Dr. Phil Stutz, incredible psychologist, wrote a book called Tools and a few other books. Jonah Hill, you know Jonah Hill, the actor?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stutz is Jonah Hill's psychiatrist, psychologist, and it's really well done Hollywood style. So, it's really well done and it's all about Jonah's work with Dr. Stutz. But, but what Stutz says is it's called the reversal of desire and it's very simple. It says whatever it is that you fear, you must move towards. And as soon as you start moving towards it, the fear actually goes away. Now, does it fully go away? Maybe not, but it should get diminished the more we go. And it's that whole like metaphor of the bison, right? Like the bison runs into the storm where most animals see a storm coming and they run away. No, no, no, no. The bison actually runs through the storm because they get, they, they get through it faster. And I think that's, you know, a great way to think about this.
Yeah, no doubt. A couple of things, just, you know, you're talking about some scripture, just a simple phrase I've used for a very long time is the meek shall inherit the earth, you know. So, meek aren't weak. That's key is meek are strong and humble, which is a huge element to all of it. And you use the term vulnerability. I'll also say this, you know, we've probably all heard this statement in business. Fake it till you make it.
Yeah.
And I say no.
Sure.
No, because your true self knows you're faking it.
Yeah.
They know you're not authentic. They know you don't know that you have genuine power. So, you think power comes externally, not recognizing it's internal. So, if you're faking anything, you're not authentic. And a significant factor that I've found in facing fear is that you're honest and authentic and you don't lock the front door, so to speak. There's a Zen teaching. You let it in the front door and out the back door, but you don't invite it for tea. So, the way I handle that is when I feel anxiety coming up or fear or doubt, anything like that, I'll actually have a conversation with it. And I know I'm talking to the ego because that's where it's coming from. And I know I'm not the ego. So, when I say things like, who's minding your mind? If somebody says, I changed my mind, who's the I actually saying that? We get confused about who's in charge. And if the mind is running our lives, which is the ego telling you this is scary or this is joy or this is love, it doesn't get it. The ego's idea of love is you fall in and out of it. It's temporary. The idea of forgiveness for the ego is, well, you screwed up, but I forgive you, but I'll never forget. You know, that's not forgiveness. That's condemnation. You know, that's judgment.
Yeah.
And so when you transcend that mindset and you were like, you know what? I'm in charge of my mind. My mind is not in charge of me. And so, when I feel fear coming, and you've used this in your catchphrase, instead of reacting, you use it to respond, right? I love that because it surfaces. The ego is always surfacing, trying to tell you you don't have enough, you're not good enough, you need to go back to school, you're too old, you're too young, you can't do this. The ego is never satisfied no matter what you've accomplished. And so once you start to realize that, you know what, ego, I hear you, take a back seat. Okay, I got a job to do here. Okay. Just thanks for informing me that there are some risks I should be aware of, you know, because that's valuable, right?
Yeah.
You don't want to just do anything stupid. But when you take ownership for who you truly are and you talk about, you know, your higher self, your higher power, And you face that fear, you have a conversation, you don't lock the front door. I say this a lot because if you lock it to try to pretend you're not afraid, Sure. you lock it out, anything you're resisting, you're making stronger. So, you can't fake Truth with a capital T, you can't fake Truth. So, when you recognize who you truly are and you're not this ego mind that's telling you you're You're just not good enough.
Wow.
I mean, you got awesome power. That doesn't mean you aren't going to get up on stage potentially and say something stupid or make mistakes. We all do, but then we self-correct.
Sure.
And so, talk to me about your ABC conversation a bit. I love that.
Yeah. Okay. So, the backstory is I'm on a walk with a guy by the name of James Clear. 3 years ago, James Clear wrote Atomic Habits. He lives here in Columbus, so he's a friend and was fortunate. I was thinking about leaving my 25-year corporate sales career at this point to go do this work full-time. And, you know, James, Atomic Habits, 25 million copies sold. He's a guy that's built this already. And so, him and I did a walking meeting and he's asking me what my vision is and what I'm thinking about. And I'm like, well, here, you know, here's this, this, and this. And I want to do this. And I want to see— he's like, John, you're thinking A to Z. And you got to think A, B, Z. Started A, B is just the first step. And what happens is once you get to B, then C opens up to you and then you get to D and then D. And it's just, of course, it's so simple. But as humans, we make things too complex sometimes. So it blew my mind. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's so good. I've never heard someone articulate it like that. And so it's just a, you know, it's a Again, as humans, we try to get to the finish line so much. And I don't say don't have a vision and don't have a goal in mind, but man, it's like for me, I left a 25-year corporate gig 15 months ago, and it's been a lot of A, B, and maybe even go back to in between A and B, and then I get to C.
Yeah.
And I have a vision, right? But it's so— I love the concept because we want to boil the ocean when sometimes we just got to Take the first step into the water and then see what happens.
And yeah, yeah, you know, John, I like I said that resonates with me so much because I started my consulting firm in 1988. So it turns, you know, 38 years old this year. And amazing.
Congratulations.
I'm not even I'm not even sure I had A figured out quite.
Yeah, I get it, man.
But but I had a Z. I had a vision. And I and in fact, kind of like the John Maxwell story, I went to see a guy named Tom Peters speak, and and he was a big deal back in the. day in search of excellence and pursuit of, you know, anyway, and I saw him with like 1,000 people. I'm sitting there and I'm watching him and I'm like, I want, I want to do that. It just somehow resonated with me.
Me too. Yeah.
But like John Maxwell said, if you want to do what I do, you got to be willing to do what I did, which means bumps, scrapes, and, you know, screw-ups. So I had my Z and I had my A and then, but the whole point, if I would have tried to figure it all out, Yeah. Before I even took the first step, I would never gotten anywhere.
Yeah.
And what I found interesting is I found that if you know what you want with such clarity, and it's not about what you ego want, it's what you have to give. So, for me, it's giving 100 million people as much help as I can. I'm not worrying about the get but give. That's a mission and a vision I'm on. And if the why is important, so the what and the why, this is what I want and this is why it's important to the world, not just to me. The how shows up.
For sure.
You get the A and B going and then all of a sudden, you know, we meet or, you know, somebody says, you know, you ought to write a book, which is what they told me. And I was like, well, I don't know how to write a book. So, I read a book about how to write a book. This was way before the internet even.
Sure.
Then somebody, you know, said you should write an allegory. And I'm like, I didn't know what an allegory was. And, you know, just ideas. And then all of a sudden, you know, I'm contacted by Fuel, you know, hey, would you like to be a faculty member? These things, I didn't plan any of this, John. I mean, I'm sure you discovered the same thing.
Exactly.
You stay clear to your mission and allow success. Force it. Don't push at it. Don't allow it because it's, it's, it's, it's there.
Sure.
And if we could just trust a higher power, if you will, enough. You can't have fear and faith at the same time.
So true.
Right. So closing, closing comments, John.
Yeah, I would say I'll add on to your, the how and what and why. And I would say I also believe You start with who. And I've heard you talk about I am statements. I'm big on I am. And there's a whole, you know, faith-based thing around that too.
But yeah, right.
For me, that's the choice moment. So, the model is stimulus happens, we tell ourselves a story, we have a choice and a decision to make. That's right in the middle. That's the Viktor Frankl Man's Search for Meaning. We all have a choice.
Yeah.
And then We respond and we get a result. So, if you win the choice moment, it's really about starting with who you are, right? And so, that's the identity and belief work people have to do. And that way, when that stimulus happens and the story you're telling yourself, here we go again, this is— I'm going to fail. No, no, no, no, no. It's, I'm someone who believes I can succeed, or whatever that is for the individual. That's the choice moment. And we make— Thousands of these choices every single day. But it's— and the more you do it, the more you can, you can close the gap. So I would just add on to, you know, that piece. Start with who, who you're becoming. Not just— maybe it's not who you are today too. It's that Z, who, who that vision is for you.
Yeah. Well, the story you tell yourself following the I am— I am what? Fill in the blank. And I challenge people to come up with at least 20, not 2 or 3.
Yes. I've heard you say that before.
And then find, and then find proof. So, yeah, yesterday, I'm generous. Prove it. Well, yesterday, I gave somebody a smile. It could be something as simple as that or a touch like you talk about Steve Nash and 239 touches in a game or whatever. It's incredible. So, that's key. The who is absolutely key. And we get very confused between the ego, small s self, and our higher spiritual self. And that's game-changing right there.
For sure.
You know, I'll leave everybody with this quote from Henry Ford way back in the day because it really resonated with me. And Henry Ford said, whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right. Think about that. Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right. Because what we believe in our minds is essential to going forward. And so, if the mind is saying, don't, you know, don't get on the road until you have A, B, C, D, E, F, G all figured out, Well, you might just never take that leap of faith, so to speak. So, John, we've got your link in the chat for everybody. And check out Fuel, everybody, please. Just look at the courses, look at the incredible instructors, look at the AI bots that are available on quite a few of us now. Go to Mindset Matters on Mondays. I host that with Ali Sweeney and Danielle Ribeiro. Danielle's coming up this next Monday. The 9th. I'm back on the 23rd. Every Friday, we got some great guests lined up. Next week, Jim Cathcart's coming back, a Hall of Fame speaker, amazing guy, great courses on fuel. Go to YouTube and all these courses are recorded. And please share them with family and friends and coworkers and teammates, things like that. And with that, John, thank you so much for—
Thank you.
For being here, and we'll get you back on one of these days. Oh, and look at John's blog too. He's got some fantastic writing and little stories that are very compelling. I love reading what you've got, John. So, with that, everybody, happy Friday. Have a great weekend. And message us through Fuel or social media. You can go to my YouTube channel. I've got a couple hundred videos out there for free. And We will see you next Friday.
