You Had Another Woman In My Bed While I Was In Jail?! | KARAMO

Why did I bust the window down?

She don't need a reason. It don't matter.

I don't remember.

It don't even matter. It don't, it don't.

Honestly, I can't remember. He did something though.

'Cause that's the—

He did something.

You can't remember, girl, why you bust the window down?

Yeah.

Okay, so you were in jail for 30 days.

Yes.

And then when you got out, the first call was to me?

Yes.

I appreciate that.

I called you absolutely immediately because I watch your show all the time.

Thank you.

And I know you unlock phones and I need a phone unlocked today.

I got you.

Today, today.

So how did you find out about this other woman?

I found out about this other woman when I was actually on his phone and I seen her message him and I said, who is this? So I went to go be nosy and I seen her on there calling him bae. She said she wants to get his name tatted and all this extra things. And then she messaged me. She messaged me pictures of a TikTok of an ultrasound saying she was pregnant by my man. I could not believe it. I was so devastated.

So you said she was living your whole entire life?

She was living my whole life. I came home from jail, I found some extra, extra large panties under the bed. And you see me, I'm not extra, extra large.

Not at all.

I'm small, so.

And has she been harassing you online?

Yeah, she harasses me online. She's constantly sending me messages. She's constantly like trying to call me from fake numbers. Like, I think I even seen her in person one day.

Oh.

Like she showed up to my apartment.

Wow.

So what did this woman tell you about her and your boyfriend?

She says that they've been seeing each other for about 6 months. Mind you, me and my man have been together for 5 years.

Wow. All right, so 5 years together, that's a long time.

That is a long time.

Has there ever been any suspicion of cheating before?

I've been suspicious on occasion, maybe like once or twice. Like I get suspicious about the things he does, like hide his phone in his pillowcase. Why would you hide your phone in your pillowcase? That's very odd.

So when you go to sleep at night, he puts the phone in the pillowcase?

In the pillowcase.

So he's sleeping on it?

Yes, on top of it.

That's brand new. I haven't heard that one.

Yes, it is brand new.

I've heard a lot of ways guys try to hide their phones. But in the pillowcase?

He will even take it as far as to take his phone in the shower with him. Not in the bathroom, in the shower. Mm.

So what made you suspicious while you were in jail?

Not answering the phone call. I would have to call him about 3, 4, 5 times. He just seemed very unfocused, very distracted. I'm like, we've been together for 5 years, so I know my man like the back of my hand.

Yes.

So when he started acting funny—

Yeah, you saw the change of behavior.

Yes.

Wow.

Also, when I was in jail, I could get like pictures and stuff on a tablet. And a friend was sending me stuff on that he was posting on Facebook about him cheating, making jokes about cheating. Why is that funny?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's not funny at all.

Not at all, yeah, yeah. So now you want me to unlock his phone for what reason?

Because I wanna know if he's still seeing this woman because she lives outta town. So I wanna know if he's still going out there to see her, if he's talking to her. He be on these little dating apps, BLK, Facebook dating and things like that. I want to know if he's on there.

All right, listen, we got that. Those are things we can find for you. Well, it's time to hear what your boyfriend Wiz has to say about all this. Come on out.

How you doing?

Come on out here and tell these people how you are.

You're a liar and you're a deceiver, a manipulator.

Don't be manipulated by him, Karamo.

So Justice believes that you're cheating.

Oh, nah, man, I don't cheat. First of all, Black men don't cheat. Let me get that understood, okay?

That is the biggest joke.

I never cheated. I never cheated. I was wrong for cheating.

Why you had to say it like that?

Because I'm a Black man, I cheated before, so I can do it now. Let's be honest.

All men have cheated.

So you posted all this down?

In the past.

That's fair. In the past. Yeah, we're all more mature, more grown.

More mature. We mature and grown now, yeah. Who is this woman that Justice says you had living her life?

Basically, I mean, it was just some random girl, but I mean—

She was not random.

First of all, you need to be grateful 'cause while you was locked up, I was using the girl to put money on your books, put money—

I never got anything from her. How you eating?

You making phone calls, you eating, all that is courtesy to her.

I could hardly even contact you.

I was working. Okay, you was probably sniping. It don't take but 1, 2 times. It don't take but 1, 2 times for you to call me.

So why on New Year's did I have to call you about 5 times?

New Year's, New Year's.

You were with her on New Year's.

I was not.

You were with her on New Year's. I was not. You were with her on New Year's.

So this is my question though. Why would you think telling your girl that you used another woman to send her money, why do you think she's gonna be like appreciative?

I mean, it's not—

Why didn't you also use your own woman?

I was so hurt.

I'm just being honest.

I was so hurt.

That makes me feel like you would use me.

First of all, I've been with you for 5 years. I'm not using you. That's way out the window. We way past that situation. I mean, way past that point. But she was liking me, so she would pay the bills.

He liked her too. I want you to admit to that.

No, I want—

I was using her, like I said, which I'm not proud of, but I was using the girl, okay? So she was giving me like money to put food in the house, like giving me money to put on your books, like just overall.

I never got anything on my books from you. For the first 2 weeks that I was in there, you were talking to her. You were distracted by her.

You wasn't focused on me.

You wasn't focused on what we had going on. You wasn't focused on the bigger picture.

You wrong, and you always loud, and you always wrong. You're wrong.

Loud and wrong.

Just 'cause you loud don't make you right. You wrong.

My producer also told me you got into it last night at the hotel.

Yeah, 'cause she always, always arguing. It's the same arguments. What was it about? Man, last night— I'll tell you. Dry, dry.

Let me tell you. He doesn't wanna answer any questions about his infidelity. He wants me to just brush it under the rug and he wants me to move on. If anytime I bring it up, he wants to get mad at me, which really breaks my heart because we've been together for 5 years. I love this man and I wanna be with him, but I can't get past this.

So you're saying that she doesn't, you don't cheat, but she's saying there's infidelity. that she has to bring up to you.

Which, I mean, which might be true, but of last night, it's the same argument.

Hold on, it might be true?

It might be, I mean—

Is it true or not?

It's not necessarily true. Is he black men cheat or not?

I'm just annoyed with that.

Which one is it? They don't cheat, I'm just annoyed.

Black men definitely cheat.

Babe, this one don't.

Got it.

Yes, you're one of the ones. Anyway, so last night—

But you just said it might be true. Another Freudian slip?

No, I'm—

okay.

And he was indeed sleeping with this girl in my bed while I was locked up.

That's not true.

I was locked up and he was sleeping with this woman That's not true.

I never cheated with a girl at all. Never had sex, nothing sexually at all.

So what other problems have y'all had in this relationship?

Like as far as last night, last night we was gonna go out to New York to see Times Square and stuff, all right? But we was waiting on our phones to come back. So when our phones got back, it was like maybe 8 o'clock. So I took a little nap, maybe like a 2-hour nap. Anyways, so—

I was very annoyed. After the date. Because anytime we're about to go somewhere, he will go to sleep. And when I go to wake him up, sometimes he doesn't get up.

Bro, you take 2, 3 hours anytime we go anywhere. I do. 2, 3, I gotta wake you up. 2, 3 hours.

And I would be mad if I had to wait 3 hours.

We can go to Walmart, I have to wait 2, 3 hours.

Did someone bust out windows?

I did.

Who's the one that did?

Multiple, bust out my windows, my mama windows. That's my mama.

You bust out his mother's window?

You see this shit?

You had anybody bust out your mama windows?

Yes, I did. Yes, I did, because I don't play. I don't play about my feelings. I don't play about my heart.

Yeah, and that's my mama window.

Why his mother's window though?

Because play with your mama, not me.

But you played with his mama.

He didn't—

No, no.

He played with me.

So you decided to go take his mama?

I retaliated. Did his car and his mom's car.

I had so much hope for you. You came out here so fly, girl. You doing toxic stuff like busting out the windows?

Yes, I will bust out the windows.

Hold on, so—

Oh man.

So why do you bust the windows outta his car?

Why did I bust the windows outta his car?

She don't need a reason. It don't matter.

I can't remember.

It don't matter.

It don't, it don't. Honestly, I can't remember. He did something though.

'Cause that's the—

He did something.

You can't remember why you busted the window on his car?

It had to have to do something with a woman, another woman.

Anything, anything, anything. I could be looking at my phone and I get a notification.

You don't know. You're being manipulated right now.

No, I'm not.

Yes.

I'm going off of facts. The facts are that you busted the window on his car and his mother's car.

That's old, that's old.

And you can't remember the reason why though?

It had to be because of a woman.

Never. See, I'm telling you, anything, any reason.

'Cause he claims that he's so loyal and faithful. I am.

'Cause I heard something earlier I had to write down. Why are you putting your phone in your pillowcase?

My phone in pillowcase?

Why do you take your phone in the shower?

First of all, she always, she's constantly going through my phone for no reason. She go through my phone and find nothing. Even if she find nothing, it's still a problem. Oh, you deleted it. Oh, you did this.

Oh, you did that. He definitely does delete stuff.

No, she always know what I'm on.

He deletes stuff and he's a bad deleter. Because you know on iPhone there is a, um, where recently deleted. Don't leave it in there.

That's the reason that we here in the first place, because he acts like I'm just insecure and jealous. But that's the whole reason, because when you went to jail and your phone— and you left your phone, I went through your phone and I seen that you wasn't on the same time that we was talking about as far as fixing our relationship when I started talking to this girl.

Prior to me going to jail, I was talking to people, but it wasn't a lot.

The bus in the window of the mama car gets Okay? It's one thing for y'all to keep y'all mess between y'all, but when you bring your mess to somebody else's mama, eh, eh, eh. It's not, you know what I mean?

I also paid for his mom's Jumbotron.

Okay, great, great, great, great. Do you have a relationship with his mother now?

Um.

I'm sure you don't.

Slightly.

Slightly.

No, she try, we try.

It's cool. You're trying, you're trying. Okay.

We try.

Clearly there's a pattern here of when you get angry, these things happen. And as a young, beautiful woman, I don't ever want that type of image to block what we're actually seeing. We're actually, what you could actually fully potentially be. I want you to just know that, okay? So now you wanted her phone unlocked as well?

Oh yeah.

Okay.

And I don't know why.

You don't know why?

I don't know why.

Well, you just said you was talking to other guys.

And thank you.

That's old.

That ain't old.

That's old news.

That is.

Okay.

Yeah, I wanna go through her phone.

So what did you wanna know when you unlocked her phone?

I got the same curiosities that she gave. She even had a dating app from her friend's phone that her friend was operating for her.

Is that true?

It's true to an extent. To an extent.

It's true.

To an extent? What's the extent?

Well, you see, because the dating app was on her phone, she was swiping for me. So those are not even my matches, basically.

Okay, listen, this—

Let's be for real now. Let's be for real.

That's honesty for you.

Let's be for real.

Okay, this is one of the things. What I do know and why I do this unlocking the phone, is you can lie, but you can't delete deceit. So time to get to these phones.

Let's get to these phones. And I promise you, if I find anything in my phone, you are done.

You just said, Justice, if we find something, you find something in his phone, we're done? We are done. You're done?

I'm so done.

Okay. What about if you find something in her phone? Are you done?

Same thing.

Same thing?

Mm-hmm.

Y'all are ready to throw away the 5 years?

It's been too long, bro. It's been too long.

It's too long.

Too much.

I've been with him since I was 20, 19, 20 years old.

Got it.

And I need stuff to change. So I need to know what's going on today, so how to move forward.

Duchess, we're unlocking your phone first. So Wiz, you want to know if she was talking to or messaging any other men. It's time to get into unlocking her phone.

Yes, sir. Let's get into it.

All right. So you want to know if Duchess was talking to or messaging any other men. Duchess told us that she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her texts, her apps, and her DMs.

Mm-hmm.

And she is cheating. Telling the truth.

Thank you.

She is not talking or messaging anyone.

Thank you. I don't cheat. I don't cheat. I have been with you for 5 years. I am serious about this relationship.

Go, boo. Well, the only thing that I say about that is after you revealed that your friend had another account for you that she was swiping for, It was on another phone. It sounds like you're just a little bit more savvy in, 'cause if I would've known that, I would've said we need to bring your friend phone here so I could unlock your friend's phone. So I will be honest with you, there's still doubt in my mind because—

I wanna put that stuff behind us.

Got it.

That's my thing.

I believe that. Okay, so Duchess, it's time to unlock Wiz's phone.

Yep.

Okay, Wiz, how do you feel about this?

I'm peeved.

You think we gonna find anything in your phone? Nothing at all. Well, it is time to unlock your phone.

Let's unlock that phone.

Let's unlock that phone.

I've been waiting for this. I've been waiting.

Let's see it.

All right, Justice, you wanted to know if he was still communicating with the women he had at the house while you were in jail. He says he is not.

Nope.

My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his texts.

Zero.

And he is telling the truth. He is not communicating with anyone.

How believable is that? Zero.

Zero.

How believable is that?

Judges, you want to know if he was visiting the woman he had at the house while you were in jail. He says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his GPS thoroughly and he is telling the truth.

He is telling the truth?

Zero.

I'm shocked, honestly.

Zero.

I'm shocked, honestly.

Zero.

Judges, you want to next know if he was on any dating apps. He says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched all of his apps.

Set me up.

And he is not telling the truth. Oh wait, what? He is not telling the truth.

Wow.

What dating app are you on? You installed the dating app.

What dating app are you on?

You installed the dating app BLK or Black while she was in jail and deleted it on August 16th.

Wow.

I do not recall.

Wow. What do you have to say for yourself? I thought Black men don't cheat.

Black men don't, it's not cheating. I am done with you. It's not cheating.

I am done with you.

It's not cheating. Do you want more?

And your web browser shows you logged into an adult dating site as recently as 6 days ago. That's what else we found on the phone.

What do you have to say for yourself?

First of all, ain't much I can say, okay?

It's not because you're a cheater.

So I guess black men do cheat?

No, I'm gonna stick to my statement. Black men don't cheat, all right?

Black men definitely cheat.

He said I'm gonna stick to my story.

And you're a cheater and you're a liar. I am heartbroken by the things that you do to me. Like, why do you do this?

Well, we found you 6 days ago.

6 days, I can't explain it, okay? So, but the dating app, why you went to jail, bro, I told you about your phone when I seen you texting. Other people, that's what made me go as far as the BLK app. I did download that back then.

Okay, and then deleted the day that she came over?

Yeah, I did. I did delete it the day that you got over.

Why can't you just be honest about the things that you do and give me a choice to choose if I wanna deal with you, if I wanna deal with this or not?

I do be honest. I do be honest with you. I do be honest.

It's deceitful.

It's not deceitful. I'm honest. I be honest with you when I tell you stuff.

So y'all know this relationship is toxic, right?

It is.

And you're trying to reset years of a toxic relationship. So what you're doing is you have a house that has never been built on a proper foundation that is old and torn down. And at the end of the day, the foundation is not built here for a trusting, healthy relationship. You would never be able to go back and ever trust him because y'all didn't have trust from day one. My advice would be that y'all have to have a mature conversation about moving apart and working on yourselves separately. And maybe after you work on yourselves separately, y'all can come back together. Are y'all gonna stay together or are y'all gonna walk away?

I think it's time to walk away.

Boom.

I think it's time to walk away.

Good.

It is what it is.

Yeah, I just, I can't do this. I can't deal with your lies, your deceit, your cheating. I'm too good. I'm too good.

it's probably the best for both of y'all.

You know what I mean?

When she was in jail, you started to find other women, you started to figure things out. You know what I mean? You're both young, you're both beautiful. Y'all will find people that y'all can grow with and talk to in a healthy way. I feel like this is actually a happy ending.

I do.

This is a happy ending for both of y'all because y'all can move on. So I wish you the best of luck. I appreciate that, man.

Yeah.

And in the next relationship, Actually show that black men don't cheat.

Man, we don't.

Okay.

Black men don't cheat.

You can't say that no more.

We just unlocked your phone. There's a monitor.

Yeah, whatever now. Anyway, good luck to you though. I wish you the best. Seriously. Everyone, thank you for being with us. Make sure to come back next time, friends, so we can continue talking and we can continue growing.

I love you all.

I can't be with you anymore. I can't. Why? For what? I can't.

For what?

I can't because—

There's not even no bad— like, I tell you everything. There's not no bad reason.

I just don't think that there's any trust between us.

Of an app?

An app. It's not just an app. It's a dating app. That means you're looking for other women to date. That means you're not serious about me. And I'm serious about you.

All right.

So I can't do this.

All right.

So what can I say? What can I do?

You can't do anything. That's just it.

All right. No sé, padre.