500. What is your body trying to tell you about your life? - with Aaron Alexander
9 Mar 2020 · 72 min
Aaron Alexander explains how your body's alignment and movement patterns reveal what's happening in your mind and relationships. He covers hanging, ground time, and panoramic vision as practices that rebuild confidence, and argues that social media addiction masks a deeper fear of intimacy that shows up physically.
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So literally the way that you walk ambulate through the world that like you're strut, you're like, wow, like I have Strength in my body like I am. Strength that will then affect the way that you go into your next conversation.
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Aaron, you're back on the show. I feel like it was yesterday, yet also a long time. So I'm happy to have you back because you have a new book out in the world. And for real, when people get books out, I literally, I am like, do we only have an hour? Because number one, I want to talk about your book, but I also want to talk about what that journey actually feels like of getting a book out into the world. So before, before we hit record, I asked you, what does it feel like to have all of that? Because I know everybody listening right now has that thing that's still stuck on the inside that they are trying to manifest and actually see either tangibly or externally begin something or whatever that is. So how does it feel to take those things that you had and have them now on the outside in a book?
I feel I appreciate that question. During the experience of creating the book, one of the interesting things that popped up was just throughout my life, I feel like I've padded or cushioned myself with excuses of how I was kind of tired going into a thing or how I wasn't prepared enough for the thing or kind of cushioning around. Like, I could have done better as a means of essentially protecting my, I don't know, most authentic self because we're wearing our most authentic selves in our sleeves. And if someone doesn't accept that or love that, it's like, like it could be painful. And so the book was an interesting exercise in a sense of, okay, this is as good as I can do in this present state of being. Like, everybody knows you had a whole year to put it together and you had a team around it and you had the editors and the proofreaders. And so this is your best work. So it was an interesting exercise, practice for me to start integrating that into my life with more regularity. And it's been really helpful. So that kind of transferred over into. Not kind of completely transferred over into the podcast and the way that I. I do show up in relationships or social media or anything. So it's been good.
Okay, so talking about consistency with having to get a book out. Cause you have to sit down and you have to write even when you are not inspired. And I think that's everything, right? You actually kind of have to turn it into. I mean, you do. It's a job to get a book out. It has to stop going from this fantasy and romanticism and this dream to, okay, now here's where you actually implement it into your daily schedule. And oh my God, I don't feel like writing. And oh my gosh, I just had this, that two hour writing session where nothing good came out of it. And now I just want to cry all night and, you know, eat more chocolate. Did you have experiences like that?
Yeah, of course. I have experiences like that, like all the time and every, every day. I'm probably just coming off an experience like that. Like really probably just before this conversation, I'd imagine.
Oh, I want to hear about that one too.
No, I think it was pretty fine, actually. I just feel like there's so much like in the modern world, there's so much opportunity for your consciousness to be sucked away from you. It's a hot commodity. So if you're not vigilant about paying attention to that, it will just be leaked and pulled in any various direction. So yeah, during the creation of the book, that's like, it's like Steven Pressfield, the War of Art. So all of the various different resistances that I had. What is the term that he uses? Is it resistance? I'm spacing the term. I think it's resistance. Yeah. Mine was like eating like nuts and butter and like dried fruit. I would just go and like stand and, you know, stare at the fridge. Then you open up the fridge door and you think there's gonna be something different in it than like three minutes ago. And then you go and you do it again. You're just like, what am I doing with my life?
I'm relating so hard. I'm like, you don't need another sparkling water. You're on number 12. Like, this is out of control.
It's out of control. And then within that, I think that I've also recognized that having those experiences, if you're authentic with them and honest with them. I think it's a good way to actually just accept your humanity. And it's like a moment of acceptance. And we live in a. I think this is. I think people have talked about this, but it's a confusing world because people do their damnedest to kind of. Of project. I've heard it called. Your representative from. I forget who. It can be like Eddie Murphy.
I think Glennon Doyle talks about that all the time.
Okay, Yeah, I heard a comedian talk about it. I listen to less sophisticated people.
I prefer the comedian. So let's talk about that.
Yeah, yeah. He was all like, being in the club, you're like, this is my representative.
Send in the representative.
Send the.
You don't get the real one.
Yeah. So we see that with the people's representative, which then, of course, puts us to be in a level of discomfort with our own selves, because we assume everybody else is doing so much better because we just see that. And I think that I've learned through the span of doing the podcast and creating the book and all the things and just projecting my representative into the world for people to do with it as they wish, I've learned that the thing that is actually most supportive, I think, in large part for people, is to be genuine. With the fact that you spent 27 minutes aimlessly staring into your fridge, hoping more nut butter sprouts out of it last night, I think people are like, oh, yeah, I get that guy. You could do that. Other people could be comfortable. And then if we can all start to be a little more comfortable, then all of a sudden, and this kind of gets into the topic of the book, Our nervous systems can start to downregulate and calm the freak down. You don't have to show up in relationship with others or yourself or anything with these guards, literal and figurative guards up. Because you're like, okay, cool. We're all in this human soup together. And I stared at my fridge for way too long last night as well. And we all start to have a conversation. I think.
I have so much to talk to you about. So we're going to start here.
Here.
Because I was going through your whole book, and number one, I am a quote junkie. So I kind of was just massively obsessed. That's what I first did. I'm not gonna lie. I went through every page looking for a quote, the top quote. Cause I'm like, oh, my God, he must absolutely love quotes. And I loved everything you started with or loved everything that you put in the chapters. But just to start out, because I think it's a really beautiful starter for the conversation, is the thing that you chose in the very beginning of the introduction of your book. The ancient Chinese text that says, when your body is not aligned, the inner power will not come. When you are not tranquil within, your mind will not be well ordered. Align your body, assist the inner power, then it will gradually come on its own. And I just. Because I. No pun intended, aligned with this quote so much. It's when I finally understood what I had to do to actually hear that voice and just that intuition and just that guide that I didn't realize all of us had because I was blocking it out with so many other things, whether it was how I was moving or eating or what I was numbing. And I just. I loved how you opened it up. So what does that mean to you?
Well, I mean, so I think this whole physical fitness conversation gets interesting when you start looking more into what is the meaning of our movement. You know, And I think oftentimes the fitness that people pursue is kind of a symptom of the way that they feel at a deeper level or think at a deeper level or were raised. And so if someone's like an example would be. Oftentimes in the marathon, ultra marathon, ultra marathon athlete world, oftentimes there's a lot of addiction that exists within that. So you see this movement that expresses out of that necessity, perhaps, to just keep on running, keep on running, keep on running. And then all of a sudden, a whole industry gets built up around that. Now we have the shoes and we have the gels and this whole thing, and we see just the movement itself as being the thing. But I think behind that, there's so much more, deeper meaning to why we move in the first place, and then more tangibly how that relates to interaction on a daily level. Your whole movement. Right now, you and I are doing fitness. This is like podcast fitness. So I'm sitting on the ground as I'm doing this. I have one knee on the ground. I have another foot up. I'm sitting up on a foam roller, the. You know, the computers up on a. On a low coffee table. So I'm essentially kind of like turning this experience into like a pseudo yoga session, you know? So at the end of this.
Later.
Yeah, exactly. At the end of the. At the end of this, it's like, cool, sweet. We got to. I got to connect with community because I got to connect with you and I love you, and I get to share ideas with you kind of stimulate massage my brain in a way, hopefully like my heart and all the other parts too. And I massaged and mobilized my hips as I was doing it, you know, and I'm. Maybe I can, since I'm talking about it now, I can pay attention, attention to my breath. Maybe I can slow my language down a little bit, which might kind of start to calm both of our nervous systems and the people listening. So we always have the potential to start to play with our autonomic nervous system through the way that we move. And it's interesting to think of your autonomic nervous system is like, oh, I don't have control of that. But all you have to do is start to augment your environment slightly, slightly, or your breath slightly, or what you are looking at or not looking at. And you completely do have control of the function of your internal physiology. So looking at fitness beyond just like, okay, I go to the gym and I do push ups and pull ups and then I did some wind sprints and bridging that into how was my fitness as I walked into the gym? And then how was my fitness as I walked out of the gym? Gym? How's my fitness as I sat in my car, as I opened my car door, as I went home and hung out with my family or my wife or my kids and my sleep? So we can expand that conversation of intentionally observing our movement in the gym and expand that conversation out into just who we are as people. I think that's when the yoga bug or if you're into maybe martial arts or any type of modality of movement, what you'll see with some people, some are a little bit. It happens more regularly than others. Like jujitsu is one, rock climbing is one. But the person will start to become yoga or become jiu jitsu or become rock climbing or become dance. My whole life is this dance. And that's what I would like to instill with people in the book, is that your whole life is an opportunity. Every movement that you make is a form of dance and you're expressing yourself to others and also even back to yourself. And every sound that you make or don't make is a song. So just because all of a sudden you went to choir and you're singing now you changed your vocal cords to make this thing that we deem as singing. Once you're done and you step off stage, you're still singing as you're talking to somebody else and you're still tuning their nervous system and tuning your nervous system. There's just so much extra energy that we can play with that we kind of just like leave on the table. And the intention of the book was to gather all that back up for people.
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What is your favorite conversation that's coming out of the book? Like just having it. You know what I mean? Like, what's the thing that you are loving talking about? Maybe something you didn't expect or maybe you did expect it.
I really like you have a lot.
Of things in here, so I'm like one key thing that's coming through for you.
Yeah, I really like hearing from older folks or whatever. That's a relative word. But people in late 60s to early 70s is what I've heard, which is just so exciting because from the podcast world, I don't think there's that many 70 year old women listening to my podcast. But 70 year old women go to Barnes and Nobles and they get books. And so that's been a really cool thing to hear the feedback from them saying how empowering it's been to realize that, oh my God, I have all this access to fitness. It's just simple things. I've heard people saying they started hanging each day for even just 30 seconds and it just started to make an intentional effort to start to bring their body down all the way to the ground with regularity. And all of a sudden, at first it felt it was so tough on the hips and I couldn't figure it out. And now within like a day, like two or three days, they're like, oh my God, I'm starting to really get it. And I feel so much more flexible and mobile. And as I'm walking around, I feel like this lubrication in my hips and my knees just because they're doing all of these things that are just so ridiculously obvious, they just haven't presented themselves previously for. I don't know, I think because exercise equipment is more sexy perhaps. So that's been really exciting to me to hear from the demographics of people that I just wasn't able to reach with the podcast as much. And you know and hear that. That's like very inspiring to me to hear.
Why? Why is this like, so I've gotten to spend some time with you and this is truly like who you are. Like, I've had conversations where you disappear from eyesight because you're down stretching on the floor. So I'm like, okay, we'll continue. I'll come down to meet you while I get the benefit of stretching Truly. I'm not kidding you guys. It's like it is who he is and he is a walking billboard for wanting people to be more body aware. But why is that like Truly at the core, why is that so important to you for people to understand what you're talking about?
I think in large part many people feel imprisoned in their bodies and they don't feel. It doesn't feel safe for them to explore, it doesn't feel safe for them to play. And when you do have that safe situation where you have enough of your friends or strangers around you that are kind of insulating you or acting as insurance policies for you to go out and kind of act a fool on the dance floor or just take yourself a little bit less lightly and all of a sudden like, wow, I'm a 40 year old man and I play wrestled another 40 year old man. It was crazy. It's like these are things that are literally built into. I'm not saying that everybody, every four year old man needs to wrestle each other, but just like being open to being silly, like whatever silly means to you. Silly could be literally just sitting on your chair, drinking tea and thinking about the world from a more like jovial perspective than just like all the shit that I need to get done that day. Like that could be play, you know, just I went through like a little phase of literally waking up each morning and writing stand up comics that never turned into anything. But I'd like take a walk and I would just think about how silly this life is and how silly me with my tank top and my project into the world that I'm a fitness guy and whatever. There's so many jokes inside, I'm not that funny. But within that it was a practice of just changing the filter on the world of just how silly this theater that we're all involved in is, is.
What did that. I just have to stop there because I love crap like that. So what, what did that open up? I'm like, oh yes, let's stay here. What did that open up for you? Like how did that. Because you probably, maybe you didn't even do it that long. But what did that change in your life? Like moving forward? How did, did you keep a little bit of that, did you wrap a little bit of that maybe into your book? Like what it, what did that look like when you added that practice that actually, you know, maybe didn't mean anything at the time.
Time. So you don't have any control. There's all Sorts of quotes in the book around this. We don't have any control of the events that take place, but you actually do have complete control of your perception of them. And it's like Victor Frankl, man, search for meaning stuff where he was in concentration camps and he got pushed around each one and they burned his manuscript and he had to write it on toilet paper and all this stuff. And he still maintain this perspective of like, okay, you can't take my perspective until I'm out of this body, which who knows what that is. Maybe that's even a more fantastic experience than the human form. Who knows? But that's the one thing that you can't take away from me. The thing with that though is we are habitual creatures and it's hard to. It can be hard to pull ourselves out of our thought ruts. And something that can be really helpful like one potential example of that would be doing some type of movement related thing, going to a dance class or going for a hike in the woods or meditation or something to pull you out of that. But if you don't do any of those, then I'd recommend them. But you could also just literally tangibly play with having a practice of okay for this. You've ever seen those bracelets where you wear a bracelet and every time you think of, of something that's like a negative thought about somebody or like a stressful thought about somebody like that, it's like you have to. What is the rule with that? It's like 20, it's like 20 day challenge. Snap. Yeah, whatever it is, I think that something like that could be a very valuable way to start to kind of like regroom some of those ruts. And then from there what that translates into is it affects the way that you move through the world because our thoughts form our movement. Movement. And then there's a feedback loop of the way that people perceive you and the way that you perceive yourself. And you're like slowly starting to groom your thought and movement patterns. You can do that either from just a thought perspective or you can go from a movement perspective, but both of them will feed back into the other. One of the exercises I have in the book is visualize your optimal self, whatever that means to you. Do you want to be creative? Do you want to be proud? Do you want to be strong, confident? Do you want to be. Be caring, nurturing, any of that and visualize yourself feeling that way and then start to notice, notice what's the clothes that you're wearing in that situation. What does Your home look like? What is your physical carriage of your body like, what's the positioning of your neck? What's your breath like, really tap into? When I'm in this state, how do I breathe now? Can you start to. Now that you have that, you set the compass now maybe we could just start with your breath. Breath is pretty easy. Maybe you could start to bring your hands on the side of your ribs and that might be a helpful way to coach that breath into the diaphragm, indicating that you're calm and confident and in a healing state. So there's so many different little doorways to enter into cultivating your human, I think. And this is. It gets interesting, gets weird.
I mean, the thing about talking to you about this is I have so many different layers that we could go. Because it is, it's everything. And it's one thing that you're talking. It's one thing that you're talking about being like in alignment and feeling just. Just connected to your body and feeling.
Safe in your body.
And it's also like, it's literally touches everything right down to what you were talking about. Environment and also like, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Like, is it your environment that you change first or is it you or what is it? And I think so much about changing my life was a lot of what I changed first was different things externally. Like you were just talking about, like, you know, I have a lot of anxiety public speaking. What would it feel like if I felt like a powerful speaker? I started with even just clothing. I started with, like you said, my breath or how I would stand and like small things like that. And around my house, like, if my brain feels chaotic and my home feels chaotic, how can I change this environment? So it was like, how do I get rid of everything, make it very minimalistic, so it feels very clear. And that was huge in my life too. So for people who maybe just feel like, my God, I just maybe, you know, a shit show on fire, like, where do we start?
Yeah, well, I think one thing is we don't get outside enough. If you feel like an on fire shit show, you're probably inflamed, you're probably anxious, you're probably stressed if that's your sensation of yourself, because again, it's all connected. So a really helpful, easy, free, accessible whole way to start to put some water on the flames would be literally just walk outside and use your. There's a whole chapter in the book about vision, how it affects your physiology and your thoughts and feelings. And all that. So start to go exercise your vision by just taking a walk. And instead of looking down at your phone, look up into trees, look up into clouds, allow your vision to kind of almost space out a little bit bit. So you're not myopically focusing on any individual point, but instead you're taking in the panorama, the whole scene. And what that ends up doing is it literally is an indication to your nervous system that you're calm, you're not in executive function, cortisol release, get stuff done right now mode. You're just taking it all in. So you can start to exercise your eye muscles. And think of it as almost like a DJ kind of turning a knob on a soundboard, kind of adjusting like the treble or the bass or the bpms or what have you. You can adjust your own internal BPMs or the beats per minute in, like, sound terms just by adjusting the way that you look. So if you want to be focused, then you literally can focus your vision in on an individual point. If you want to to chill out, which most of us probably could do, then start to exercise more. That panoramic feel. Then beyond that, just the act of being outside. Patients in hospitals for various different surgeries, if they are near a window or just even have some form of greenery or pictures of greenery inside their hospital room, they end up having less need for pain medication. They end up being released significantly sooner than those that did not. Nature doesn't help you. You are nature. So when you pull yourself out of that, things get funny. It's like taking a child away from their mom. And that gets into a whole nother chapter of the touch chapter, which I won't get into it deep now, because I'll wrap that up. But if you're not physically touched by your mother, then. Or just anybody doesn't necessarily need to be your mother, but physically touched to have that indication that you're loved and supported. As a young person or adult, I would add, children will go through what's called failure to thrive, which their metabolism slows down and their psychological development slows down, and everything just starts to go into this kind of hibernation mode because they get the indication that the world's not safe to grow because they're not being taken care of. So I would suggest that you are being touched, literally and figuratively by nature, because you are literally being touched by. You're being touched by sun, you're being touched by the chemicals you're breathing in from the plants. You're being touched by the contours of the ground, and much more than that. So if you're not getting touched by mother nature the way that you need to be touched by human mother, then your body will start to go through some uncomfortable experiences. And then it just so happens that most of those experiences will lead us deeper into our cell phones and laptops and all that stuff, which is where the consciousness pirates live. And then they will be pulling you in deeper and deeper and deeper. And it's all trained to prey on human psychology to keep those notifications ringing and keep you coming in. So it's like the most dangerous form of remedy is one that almost works. So when we're looking at social media, we're almost getting social contact. When we get a new shiny thing, we're almost feeling validated or almost feeling connected to something bigger. But it's just that almost sensation that's really a little, you know, it's quite slippery. So. Yeah.
Wow, I love that you said that because I think the. It's been. It's truly been life changing in my life. You know, I used to live in the Midwest and the winters were bad, very bad. Like, I remember a couple winters where it was like, didn't even go over zero for an entire month of January, One of the years right before I moved out to California. That's why I moved out to California. But it was like, you're not walking outside. And I used to be such a trooper. I'd walk outside no matter what, like, you know, a rubber face mask and like the ski goggles and like, I would be out no matter what. And while it was freezing, you're still outside in nature. And it would help so much. But so many winters, I just went through crazy anxiety and depression. Like, I have a good life. Why do I feel this way? And I can tell you, living out here, walking every single day outside has been like the number one. I just feel so much more. More. I can. I can get to a neutral face, a place much faster or a more powerful place or a place where I can choose perspective much quick. It doesn't mean you have to live in California because of course I was living out, you know, I was going out in the winter. But for people who potentially can't get out in nature all the time, is there something that's like a. I know it is ultimately the best thing, but what would you recommend?
Oh, I mean, I think, you know, inside your house is nature too. I mean, you can bring plants into it, you can open the space up and, you know, you could hire somebody to do make it more feng shui and maybe get some. Some appropriately placed mirrors to make it feel bigger than it is. And make it so that you put your workspace near a window. If it's too cold to open it, that's okay. Optimally, you can get the full spectrum of light from sun. So make an effort to get as much sun as you can, especially if you're in a cold place. You're probably northern hemisphere. So then you really want to get sun. Be supplementing with some form of vitamin D would be wise if you're in those situations. But yeah, really treat your internal space. Bring nature inside. That's what NASA, the astronauts would do in spaceships. There's a whole stuff we were going to include in the book. We ended up taking it out. They have the 20 top most oxygenating houseplants that you can get at any grocery store or whatever. Snake plant is one of them. There's like a whole list of them. No, but you bring those into your home and you're making that air that you're breathing more nutritious. So you want to be drinking quality water. You want to be eating quality food. You also want to be breathing quality air. So it might be a helpful thing every now and again to walk over to your door, even if it's kind of cold, and just do a couple. It's like someone. There's. There's smoke in the house, you want to go and swing the door to recycle the air. It's a helpful thing to bring some of that nature into your house. Keeping things recycled is really valuable. That would be a start. But the big thing, if you're a person that's on the computer a lot, just put your computer near a window and be conscious about taking breaks to look out that window with regularity. Especially if you're doing something that's stressful, which if you're focusing in on your computer or your cell phone zone, it's inherently somewhat stressful. Not stressful in a negative way. Something's only stressful in a negative way. If it's more stress than what you can buffer, then it starts to get into the trauma territory. But as you're working, a way that you can just calm yourself down is use those eyes. And then like we mentioned as well before, playing with the breath. And then a next one would be while you're in your home, you're not maybe at a playground, you're not rolling around with kids or whatever, but maybe you could get some floor Cushions and a comfy rug. And maybe get your computer set up on a coffee table or the side of a couch or side of a chair. And you could be mobilizing your hips by just spending time on the ground like your ancestors have since forever. And still a good percentage, the majority of the world is still occupying themselves in those positions of just getting down on your knees or sitting on your bum. And cultures that end up being in those positions, like Northern Africa, Southeast Asia, Eastern Mediterranean or places that have been more studied with it, they have minimal to no incidence of osteoarthritis of the hips, very low in the knees. I think we talked about this before, so I won't go into it too much. But fall risk for elderly is a non issue. Pelvic floor dysfunction is diminished. The adult diaper industry is exceeding that of the child diaper industry. And it's like it was supposed to happen by 2020. I haven't checked it. This is something that I recited last year, so I got to look it up again so people can check it out. Check out, look up adult diaper industry exceeding child diaper industry to see what you get.
Is it because we're getting less mobile or smarter?
I think it's yeah, right. As much as it's just so convenient to puma pads. And then I get more. And then. Then you get attention as well. It's the best. Nothing will get you more attention than if you poop your pants.
I just cry until someone comes to change it. It's fine. It works like a charm. So what is blowing your mind right now? Is there something that you're learning or something that's kind of just like maybe miraculously happening in your life or something that's maybe not awesome, but it's literally just expanding your brain or blowing your mind?
I think how selfish I've been throughout my life and just selfish in the sense of like focused on myself and what I'm the most. I heard another. Because I get all of my information from rappers and comedians. I heard a rapper talking about that's the best. Is that how much money you make? Is that how much money you make? It's how much money you give away. And so like thinking of like, yeah, like that's really what's the most interesting thing for me. Not giving away money per se, but just giving away energy. So how can I create a system or an engine that it's myself or my business or my community or what have you that we can gather enough energy to be able to refocus it into matters that actually have meaning in the world. And it could just be like being a bright person. When you walk into a grocery store. And someone at checkout might be having a bad day. Like, I recently had a friend. Not a super close friend, but someone that I had met and spent like a week, like five days or so with. And we were staying in Mexico, and he ended up ending his life. And it was an interesting thing because he was like, one of the happiest humans. He was like. Somebody was like. I was like, I'll probably know this guy for a long time. Like, of all the people that I met, I was like, this guy, he's like. He's a good one. Super happy and just easygoing, funny, super generous, kind, compassionate, all the things. And apparently things weren't going as well as it seemed. I think it's a very interesting thing to look at the world from that lens of just. You don't know what people are going through. And sometimes the people that seem to hold themselves together the best. Are actually busting at the seams. And it's the very fact that they are holding themselves together so well that's the problem. So it's like a shield volcano, I think, is the kind that oozes versus the other kind. You want to be a supple, oozing volcano. And be authentic and genuine with what you're experiencing in the moment. And be able to let that stuff ooze out and not be shameful of it. Maybe pick your places. But at some point at the end of the day, you need to have a good ooze of some sort. You can take that any way you want. And so that's something that is blowing my mind, I would say for sure. Is just like, not assuming I know what's going on with anybody. And also being willing to, I think, just showing up with people with complete compassion. No matter the circumstance. And I think that sometimes when we. I'll wrap this up when we. It's another kind of like stony thought that I had last night. That I'd be curious your input on. Actually, I wonder if it's possible for us to not love each other or appreciate each other or even like each other. If our egos are not in the way behind all of my identity structure of who I think I am and who I think you should be and all that stuff. I think behind all that, we're pretty much the same thing. I wonder if sometimes when we kind of bump into something that I'm like, oh, that really irks me. I kind of question if perhaps that's an indication that there's work to be done there and there's something to learn from it as opposed to just continuing to kind of shuffle it off. But anyway, it's just a thought that I had, like, literally last night. I was like. I was like, I wonder if someone doesn't like me and I don't like them. Is that just our egos disagreeing and there's actually like, a whole bunch of compassion and love underneath that?
I love this topic. I'm like, yes, let's proceed.
Yeah. What do you think about this? Seriously?
I think about this all the time. All of the time. Because I hear so many of my friends like, oh, what work is there to be done in this relationship for you? And I'm like, well, right now the work is which middle finger do I want to put up first.
Right, Exactly.
Yeah, that's my question. But, you know, I think here's what. Here is what has felt right for me, because sometimes we can get. Sometimes I've found that I could actually get stuck in it. Like, oh, my God, what is here? What am I missing? Why did I attract this in my life? How did I, you know, that that has been a big one in my past? Like, how did I attract this particular person who maybe just really rubs me the wrong way or whatever that looks like, or why don't I like this person? And so I do think that there is a lot of work there. And at the same time, I think that you can do the work, but also understand, and I'll also summarize. You can do the work, which I always think is, how can you, like, love them or what they're doing, or, like, let it be okay, Whatever they're doing and whatever lessons that they're on the earth to teach other people and that they're learning. And how can you, like, allow that? Let it be okay. And also just, like, step away, not let it bother you. So I. And I'm always going back and forth because there are. There are some people legitimately. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure I do this for other people. You know, I can't imagine it, but I'm just kidding that. Really, truly, like. Like, you can have a real problem with them. Like, oh, my gosh, they are legitimately feeling like they are doing something wrong in the world. Like, how do people not see this? Should I talk about this? Like, what. And then those moments of, you know, is. Is that even my place? Why is this Something I'm seeing and no one else is, is this me? Like, is this something with me? What's going on internally? So it's a rabbit hole that I actually go down frequently and I enjoy it. But also it's like, like, I don't know, it's. It's an eternal question. And I always. Here's what I end up with. I, I really don't think I'm helping you whatsoever with this.
But here's where I. Oh, it's okay. It's okay.
Here's where I always end is okay. So how can I literally just see them as like God's child or whatever you believe? Like, how can I just love them for whatever they're bringing and thank you for this contrast and wow. I actually didn't know that I still was. Was able to go to those places. And clearly that's very alive for me. I just appreciate the entire lesson that they bring in the energy and the awareness and perspective and that's ultimately where I end up. And I also think it's important to feel all those feelings.
Yeah. My feeling is that if someone's expressing some symptom or, you know, emotion or action or what have you, which I think are all just symptoms of culture and their lifestyle and, you know, history and all that. But if they're expressing outside some symptom that translates into an action that is hurting people or destructing earth or whatever, because it's all interconnected, I see that as being some form of either repressed shame or anger or guilt or fear or something of that nature. So if you look at someone from that perspective, imagine every person you look at is like three or four years old and you're this wise old, 35 year old or what have you. And you're like, okay, you look at the three or four year old and you essentially can see their whole history because it's like under a thousand days that they've been on this rock. So you can be like, oh, that's literally like you're acting out this thing that. I saw the seed planted for that like 140 days ago with your mom. Like, I see this whole evolution of it. Then you're like, well, most adults are running on operating systems. They gather before they're like 5 years old. Anyhow, when you're meeting with people and they're acting out in whatever fearful, greedy or angry or whatever the way is, I think it's an interesting practice to one look at that action as. I don't think people act something out that there's not a reciprocal pain that's happening maybe at least as much, but I think perhaps even more so if you're hurting other people. I think that's coming from a core wound of sorts that the individual herder is carrying. So I always try to look at that with compassion of like, oh, man, what is your wound? And then also having the reframe of looking at myself and others as a bunch of babies wearing adult costumes, essentially. And so if you have that perspective and you're like, oh, wow, you can dress him up like a baby or whatever, and you see him, you're like, oh, my God, I see why you're such an arrogant cunt. Like, I totally see. I see it. You're just afraid of not being accepted. And so you are concerned about your own sensation of inadequacy, which translates into you making other feel people feel less than you know, and rising yourself up on this pedestal because you don't want people to actually see how scared you are. You know, when you start to see people through that lens, the most arrogant bastard you can find, you're like, oh, my God, like, you just want to give them a hug, you know, as opposed to thinking, like, how can I destroy this man or woman?
Okay, so how do I move from that place faster? So, no, but really, like, there are. There were times in my life where that was would in the past. I can think in my late 20s when I was really just starting to just go and either, you know, face my fears or start to do things that I wanted to do or be out in the world or start to make some other connections. It was, you know, I'm bumping up against all of these new personalities, and I did feel like a child because I didn't have all of those. You know, I was homeschooled through high school. I didn't have the college experience. Like, I didn't have all of these mass experiences of these different personalities outside of my religion, who we were all trained to be the same and say the same and feel the same and don't let other certain things out into the world. So, you know, unleash me, and I'm out and getting all of these experiences and collecting them really quickly. And it was kind of like I would get stuck there. Like, I'd get stuck in a place of, oh, my, why don't they like me? Why are they doing this? So that victim mode, right? So how do you move through it quicker for people who are maybe in a new type of business world or maybe they're new entrepreneurs and they're like, holy crap. Like, this is a lot of different personality types and not even personality types of personalities in a different, you know, sector of their life that they've never experienced. So people act so much differently. So how would you recommend like letting go quicker? Same thing like seeing them as a child or.
That's interesting. I think perhaps a different avenue that a person could go down. So my history before the book stuff was various forms of manual therapy, essentially physical therapy and hands on therapy hybrid. And oftentimes the root, the part in the body that's just so rigid and stiff and seized up where say it's like your right, I was working with somebody recently, this is the case. It's like their right shoulder, their traps, their hand, everything's clenched up on the shoulder. And so your initial reaction is like, okay, cool, I'm going to do some gua sha or some graston or put an elbow in there, throw some needles in there, or do some pmf. Whatever you got to do right on that spot, I'm going to get that shoulder. But what you'll find with more experience is oftentimes there's another place to work with that will soften that space up. So maybe working with the. And I'll get to actual literal interpretation of this other than just like the metaphoric bodywork session, but working with the guts or working with the scalp or working with the feet, there's always different other avenues that all of a sudden you come back to that place of binding and you're like, oh wow, it's kind of supple. It's open to being worked with now. So if your main stumbling block has been whatever it is, if it's feeling like a victim or whatever, whatever, perhaps working some other way, upstream, downstream, say for example, having small accomplishments in your life that you can start to build momentum up and feel less of a loser or less of a victim. So reducing the number of to dos for the day would be an interesting example. So instead of having these seven things that I need to get done and then, and then almost every day I only get maybe two of them done and then I'm this big fat loser that only got like 2/7 of my to do list done. What if I just make one thing, like one thing that I really need to get done? Like what's the thing that's like that's going to make the difference for everything and I just do the shit out of that? Like, guarantee I give myself an hour in the morning Like, I do that thing and then all of a sudden I'm like, I have this little victory because it's not. I, oh, my God, I have some seven more things. And I'm in that pattern of always feeling behind and always feeling stressed. I start to shift things that I start to create those little victories that can spill into the way that you carry yourself in the next conversation. It's like, oh, wow, you got your stuff done today. It's like, yeah, I'm done, man. I did it. I nailed it. Or you could start to maybe start doing weight training. Another perspective would look at it from more of a structural perspective. If I feel like a pushover, I feel hyper mobile. I feel like somebody can just swap me. I'll just fall down on the ground. It's like, maybe start practicing picking manageably heavy things up off of the ground, and it'll start to restructure your physical body, which changes the way that you perceive yourself and also the way that the world perceives you. So literally, the way that you walk ambulate through the world that you're strut, you're like, wow, I have strength in my body. I am strength. That will then affect the way that you go into your next conversation. So there's a lot of different avenues that you could go through, man.
So, okay, you have a million different things in this book, which is so freaking awesome. And I guess I'm saying, I guess what I'm really kind of marveling at is you've made it pretty darn tangible and it's very layered, you guys. And I think that it's a beautiful way to start learning. Learning what? This whole. I mean, you've pretty much taken. Not to sound totally crazy, but I think you know what you're doing. You've taken kind of like an aligned, happy human existence or a healthy human existence, and you've kind of broken it down all physically, mentally, your space, all of the things in a book, which is really, really cool. So if you were to say what, what that would be like the aligned method in a few steps. What are you trying to summarize? What is your movement on the planet? Because I know that this is such a gift for you to do this for people. So what would that be?
I think just empowering people to have a sensation of moving through the world, feeling abundant, with opportunities for wellness, for health, for connection, for feeling like the publishers, after going through the book, they defined the book as a way to cultivate joy in your body, which was an interesting thing. I was like, oh, yeah, that's pretty cool. We think of working out as this thing. We need to martyr ourselves and be sweating and going to the gym, and we got to be isolated in our headphones and doing ab thrust things or whatever so we have a firm six pack so that people will love us.
All I want to do right now is post a selfie of abs. Do you love me?
That's what we're doing.
I know, I know.
I do it all the time. I'm like, I get so many more little hearts in my Instagram post and I post abs.
That's all I want to post from now on, though. Just, do you love me?
It's ridiculous.
30 days straight.
Yeah, that's it, you know, but so I think the big thing that stands out with the Align Method book is it's an opportunity for people to essentially reassess their perspective of fitness and the gym. Ideally, your gym time is this bonus extra credit meditative community moment. Or maybe just meditative isolated moment, too. Whatever you're into, but it shouldn't be the thing that you depend on. And if you look at the healthiest cultures around the world, they're not gym cultures. They're garden cultures. And they eating, drinking wine and eating white bread and like, having community together cultures, and they're taking walks cultures, and they're doing essentially the things that we outlined in the book. We go into greater detail. But the healthiest people in the world are not in the fitness industry. The fitness industry is a racket in large part. And we are selling each other various different things based off of having affiliate codes and whatnot. Whatnot. But you have everything that you have ever needed and ever will need to be a healthy human being right now. It's not that complicated. With the book, my intention was to essentially make the quintessential user's manual to outline exactly what are all of those variables that when we put them together, we have this rich human experience. How do we put those together for people in a really manageable, tangible way. Way. That's what we did.
Oh, that's. That's. So I just. You're taking me back to, like, my early fitness, especially competition days, where it was the most praise I've ever gotten about my body and then the most unhealthy that I had ever felt in my entire life. So breaking. Breaking that identity just around different things that we get praised for that are so outside of what is healthy. So do you have something that you're kind of in your life that you're like, okay, how do I do detach from this thing that I know is not great, but is kind of interrupting maybe the flow of your just happiness or life in general?
Yeah, I'm addicted to social media. I'm addicted to my own avatar or creation. Because when you're creating your own brand, which so many people now because of social media, it's like, I am my brand. My face is on the front of the book. And it's like my social media and online programs and all the things. There's not a lot of separation when your work literally is yourself in a sense. And so I think I've kind of grooved myself into becoming kind of addicted to notifications and validation through all of that stuff. Because at any time I know that it's the same with you and lots of people listen, like, you could take your phone out and get this dose of validation, like right now. And so that ends up becoming more and more delicious. The less and less of the real tangible love and connection and all that stuff that you have in your life. Like Alan Watts describes it as you're eating the menu instead of the meal.
Oh, man.
So we have all of these menus that were just like. We're like filled up on menus, but like integrating more real whole food in my life in the form of essentially everything that we described as a thing. But that's the thing is, I think, becoming more honest with one, my addiction to technology, two, my fear of you didn't ask for two. But my fear of intimacy, that's been a thing that I think within that it would make sense that a symptom that would manifest with me of becoming addicted to this kind of vision that I've created, it would make sense that I would also have a fear of intimacy at the same time. Because again, it's projecting energy out into something else as opposed to the actual me, me. So that's something I'm really excited about presently as well, is really addressing that head on. And first, being honest to say I have a fear of intimacy or I've had a fear of intimacy and I'm in process with it. That's not a very masculine thing to say. It's not a very proud, like, yeah, fear of intimacy. Like, fuck yeah. Because you want to just have it together. Men don't ask about things like sex and stuff like that because it's like, if you do, it means you don't know everything. I think relationships and even money or it's all these different parts. It's like, if we Ask about them. And we acknowledge that we don't know what the hell we're doing. Doing. That's a really vulnerable place to be in. But at the same time, I think that's the first step to actually getting help, even just from yourself, psychically, spiritually. There's like, oh, okay, we can begin work. You acknowledge the thing. Let's begin. As opposed to just continuing to kind of sidestep around it and get more money or more power or more social validation or more muscles or more, know, distractions through a new dietary dogma that you picked up or, you know, whatever.
Yeah, especially if you're good at that stuff. Like, if you know that you can.
It gets much worse then. Yeah, then it's much. Then it's much worse because it's such an easy crutch. You know, you're almost better off as, like, smoking crack or something because.
Well, that could be my. My face too, but that'll be a good.
That'd be a good. Good little, like, sound. That'd be good. That'd be good. That'd be a good sound bite. Aaron Alexander. It's better to smoke crack.
Yeah. No, you just. You literally just opened that up for me. Like, I honestly, I love talking about relationships, but I talk about, you know, like, female friendships and, like, isolation and loneliness and all that stuff because I.1 million percent, it was a problem of mine and still is. Like, literally, I am afraid of intimacy in female friendships, like. Like letting them in. And it's truly. It's easy for me to isolate and go do things that I'm good at because I'm afraid that they will need me too much. I'm afraid of the work that could potentially go into it. And to me, and this is a total, like, leaning on, you know, just stupid, false beliefs. But, like, I believe I'm fiercely independent. I'm a Sagittarius. Like, don't hold me down. And those are all things that also make me miserable. So.
So they're not stupid beliefs, though. They ought not be belittled because they're beliefs that have gotten you through. So as long as we belittle them, I think we give them more power. So I think it's helpful to acknowledge them for what they are and recognize that at some point you needed that. And the alternative was, like, something terrible, something more terrible than cultivating that pattern. So I think it's a good place to come to have, man, this belief system. Thank you. You've gotten me through and you've been my life raft and you got me across this river, and it was great. Now I'm still walking through the woods, and I'm holding not just one life raft, but like, 13 different life rafts. And instead of making fun of them, I think perhaps it can be a more helpful approach to be like, you know what? Like, you've. You saved my life.
That is way better.
And then, like, when you give it that acknowledgment, just like so many things, kids, relationships, whatever, they're like, they're seeking acknowledgement, and then they end up just becoming, like, an annoying pain in the ass. But if you can finally give them that energy that they were looking for and just full acceptance, then it's like, okay, cool, we're good. We can move on.
We will take that check that you owe me for the yoga session. And I will.
Yeah, exactly. My hips feel great.
Transfer money back to me for that therapy session. I was like, huh, that's really, really helpful.
Great.
What kind of life changing, if I'm gonna be completely honest? No, really, because it's something I'm always like, okay. Like, I find myself kind of in the same fight, which sometimes when you do a lot of personal development, it's almost like you can fight even more because you're like, I should. You can know this. You know what I mean? You should know this. This is how. Whatever, you know, we can go down the rabbit hole.
It's like, just to finish off with, like, an unnecessary analogy. It's like a Chinese finger trap kind of thing, you know? So if you. So if you can. If you're pulling away and doing all the belittling and all this, all the stuff like we're talking about, sometimes it will clamp down more. But I think there is something to just allowing yourself to kind of go all the way into it and kind of see what comes of that.
Totally.
Yeah.
I love that. Now I just want a Chinese finger trap.
They're great. I haven't had one for many years.
You know, when you podcast, you, like, should get little toys and stuff to play with. I find it, like, opens up even more in my pocket brain. I don't know, works.
Oh, I've been flipping around an amethyst crystal this whole time.
Yeah, I've totally been playing with the cord. And I flip around. We have a triangle little crystal up here as well. It's what we do. I asked Chris, I'm like, do you always play with that crystal? He's like, all the time. I'm like, me too. Okay. I want people to Know where they can get this book, you guys, It's a beautiful book. I think that it's one of those reads that you can actually continue to pick up whenever you want. It's not something you even have to read all the way through. There's chapters that are speaking to me right now that I'm gonna flip straight to no off. Um, so I do. That's actually my favorite type of book is when you can read all the way through. And then one you can just.
That was how it was written. That was the whole intention during the editing process. We intentionally would go through. By we. I mean, I would go through each page, like pick up random pages and if I couldn't get immediate value as though I was like on a toilet or something from that page, that I was like, f yeah, like this is going to help my day. Then we needed to rescript it in such a way that that was the case. So you literally, like, you can take the challenge, like open up any page throughout the whole process book. And you ought to be able to get it first of all, without any other context of the other ones and also find value in it within like a paragraph.
It's so true. So can we get that title on the front of your book? Like, is that acceptable? Like number one, like in the toilet challenge?
Yeah, yeah. Well, the toilet challenge, there's a whole. We talk about how to line your toilet. Actually we can talk about that next one or you know, whatever. You just get the book.
All right.
Where can we find you? Where can we get the book? Where can we find.
So the book is called the Align Method and it's whatever Amazon is probably where most people get it, but anywhere books exist. And then we can create. We'll create a link for you for the online program and band and all that stuff. So we could do alignpodcast.com Laurie or what do you think the best link is?
Yeah, Laurie is good.
Laurie. Cool. Sweet, easy. Yeah. So people can go to alignpodcast.com Laurie and then they'll get a seven day free trial. The Align Method online program, which is like the addendum of the book. And yeah, so that's an option as well. But yeah, the alignment book is anywhere. And then there's the Align podcast and all that stuff.
That is amazing. You guys definitely go and check it out. We have it in the show notes. It's always such a pleasure to have you on the podcast, like, truly. I just love talking to a friend. So thank you so much and I'm so excited for your book because I feel like I kind of got to be along the journey for you. Writing it and knowing how much this means to you and and seeing it out in the world is so cool. You should be so freaking proud of it. It's going to change so many lives. I appreciate that, you guys. If you loved this podcast as much as I did, don't keep it to yourself. Definitely text a friend right now. It's crazy how so many people end up texting a podcast to a friend and it's exactly what they needed. So don't question it. Text it right now. Share it on your social media. Tag both Aaron and I and let us know what you took away from this podcast because I really think there's no better gift than for us to actually know what you liked. So until next time, everyone earn your happy. Bye. Bye. Thank you guys so much for spending this time with me on the earn your happy podcast. I am so glad that you stopped by. If you could take one second to share this episode with someone you think would love it, it that would be absolutely amazing and we would be forever grateful. Also, please leave us a review if you feel so moved by going to itunes and leaving us an honest thought, an honest comment. Tell us what you think, tell us what you want to hear. More of it would really help us out on our journey to helping thousands and thousands of people. Until then, don't forget to earn your happy. Thanks again guys. Bye Bye.
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