Lewis Howes On How To Create More Energy, Peace & Freedom In Your Life

I must make mistakes and fumble my way to get better. It's just feedback. It's information. Success was something I wanted. Now I wanted it from an unhealthy place to prove people wrong, to look good, to feel like I was deserving and worthy. But when I would accomplish it, it didn't make me have that feeling. I still didn't feel like it was good enough. I would still beat myself up. So I would go for more success and more success, and it wasn't giving me what I wanted to.

Hey, everyone.

Welcome back. How's it going? How's it going on your side of the world? This is a really special episode today, you guys. I am joined by my husband, Chris Harder, and we jumped on an airplane to fly to Los Angeles to go interview our good friend and mentor, Lewis Howes. You guys, he has been on this journey with us for quite a few years and really seen us through a lot of our business growth in some of the early phases. So it was really great to catch up with him, spend the day with him, and then sit down in the School of Greatness Studios, which was so freaking cool, and give him an interview, turn the tables on him. So Lewis Howes is a New York Times bestselling author of the School of Greatness and the Mask of Masculinity. He's a lifestyle entrepreneur, a high performance business coach and keynote speaker. He's a former professional football player and two sport all American. You guys, this human is not only just a amazing, but he is one of the best connectors that I have ever met and he has a heart of gold, such a heart of service. And he has a new book coming out called the greatness mindset. Unlock the power of your mind and live your best life today. We talk about so many different things in this podcast having to do with business, with family, with relationships, with how he's overcome a lot of his mindset struggles. And I just gleaned so much from this interview and I may or may not have cried, which I did cry. So I think you're going to love it.

Let's get started. We are so excited to be here. To everybody listening, we are sitting in the School of Greatness Studios, which is so exciting. Like, this is a big moment for us.

Epic Studio.

It's fun.

Like, this is incredible.

And we get to, we get to.

Flip this on you today, you guys.

You are listening to the Earn your.

Happy podcast and also the Chris Harder show. Sitting here with my husband and Lewis Howes in his amazing studio. This is so Much fun. Cause normally I'm listening to you on my runs or in my workouts. So now we get to ask him all the questions today.

I'm very grateful for both of you.

Okay, so we're gonna open with that because you're one of the people who taught us so much about gratitude, Louis. So we wanna tell you what we're grateful for about you first. And you have been one of the people who, first of all, created a container, created your mastermind, that totally rocked our worlds and changed our life. We've met so many of the people that are close friends with us now or things that have completely impacted our careers or, you know, just opportunities that you've introduced for us that have completely changed the trajectory of everything that we're doing. So that's one of the things, along with your podcast, along with just how generous you are with your connections. So we want to also know what three things you are grateful for right now. Most grateful for just top of your head.

I'm grateful for you guys both being here and supporting me. It means a lot to me to see you guys. I appreciate it. I'm grateful for my health because this just feels good to be able to use my body at its full capacity. So I'm grateful for that because I know a lot of people don't have that capacity. And then I'm grateful for Martha. She's an amazing partner, teammate, and again, I've seen you guys be teammates for. How long has it been now?

15 years?

18 years?

Wild. It goes like that.

18 years, team's still going strong. And I see what you guys are able to create and also overcome together because you're a great teammate. So I'm grateful for her as well.

I'm excited for you. This is fun to watch a relationship that you're loving and watching you thrive. And you just seem to have so much inner peace that shows on the outside. It's just a great. After all these things.

And she's awesome. She is, sweetheart.

Just the second I met her, I was like, oh, that is a good energy. Like, that's good.

It's interesting, Lori was saying you've been such an advocate for us, and of course, we're grateful for that. Who's been some of the biggest advocates for you along your journey?

Early in my journey, I had a few key mentors. One guy named Stuart Jenkins, who really helped me when my father went through an accident early on, he kind of guided me and pushed me towards getting into LinkedIn and the business. And he's Always been a great model of an older man who's married, got great kids and a healthy lifestyle. So he kind of gave me that model. He was early on. Another guy named Chris Hawker really inspired me early on, taught me a lot of different stuff. He was a mentor of mine for many years. And then another guy named Frank Agan who helped me write my first book, he was my co author of my first book. These guys gave me confidence, they gave me coaching support, they showed up for me when I was struggling and so I've always been grateful for them in being of service to me.

You've always had such a powerful network, right? That's, that's lifted you up and you've done the same for them. What's the key to building such an epic network? Because if we're being frank, you can probably call on anyone you want to call on now and be able to have them on the show or collaborate with them. What's the key to getting there?

Number one, making it about them and not about you. And I think you guys do a great job of that as well. You're always thinking about how you can help others. So I, when I started building my network, I didn't have anything to offer, so. But I was really curious about them and I asked them what do they need, how can I support, who do they need in contact with. So I just became a connector early on because I couldn't give them the solution. But I knew others who could give them solutions. So making it about them and really being a great listener of their story. I think people love to tell their story and so that's something I tried to do the best when I could. Early on, another one would be I just thought about how can I connect with people on a friend level, not from like a taking, wanting to get something level. How can I connect on a human friend level? By doing that, they never felt like I was trying to get anything. So it's like building genuine relationships where you can call upon people in your network that you can rely on. So there's nothing wrong with having business relationships where it's like, okay, we are in partnership, we're going to deals together, but this is what it is. I've just always tried to be in friendship first and then try to support each other more authentically. So for me, that's how I do it.

Like that's something I learned from you early on following that model of play the long game. Don't have an attachment to any kind of reciprocation. And the funny Thing is, when you become detached from expecting anything, that's sometimes when some of the best things come through. Yeah, but that's how you got to show up.

You guys have both done this over the last, you know, what is eight, ten years or so. I've seen you guys do this in lots of different ways through your charitable efforts, through just your community. You build through helping serve people and give people without expecting things to return. And I think that's why you guys do so well also, is because you're just givers and you build communities and bringing people together. You know, some. Like when you do your event, you may not make a lot of money doing your event, but you know, the impact when you have all these women in one room and they bond and they overcome challenges and they do businesses together, they're always going to think about you, Lori, for bringing them together with your event and giving them that opportunity to shine. And I think, you know, I've never made money on my event. You guys have been there. But it's like some things that we can do that aren't for money, but you know, it's going to make a big impact and be a catalyst for so many people's growth. And just know that's like kind of the long game. It's like you're investing in people. It's interesting. With my team here, I tell them this a lot. Maybe I shouldn't say this to them, but my team, I say, hey, listen, whether you guys are here for another day or like 10 years or you decide this isn't the right place for you, like, you don't align with, like, the vision or the mission or the values, whatever. I want you to be successful in your life, and we want to give you tools while you're here. And that may be uncomfortable. We may push you in some ways, but we want to empower you to grow. And hopefully, if you decide this is not the place for you, we want the best for you. And hopefully you'll look back on your time and be like, I learned this one thing. I got this good connection. I met someone on the team who I still work with today, and I think that's really all I can do, is try to empower people to grow in their lives.

I wonder how many panick when he said, now you might be here one day.

Is he talking to me? Did he look the camera at me?

Well, it's tough because you want to. You invest in people, you onboard people, you train people, you move on. Exactly. So it's. It's it's trying to communicate. Hey, listen, I was just talking to one of my team today, Brian. I was like, listen, you know, Brian, I want you to be successful here for as long as you want to be here. But I also want you to have tools that if you go somewhere else at some point, you have tools for the next area of your life. And you have tools for your personal relationships, you have courage, you have opportunities for. For every area of your life. That's what I want. And sometimes that doesn't mean you get what you want. Sometimes you invest in certain things and you don't get an immediate return on investment. And there's again. But when you play the long game and you just care about people, good things tend to happen. So don't get walked all over from everyone and just give without anything. But it's being intentional about why you're.

Giving, and you do that so well.

What's something even in the last. Let's just go the last, like two years. Something recent, maybe a belief that you used to have in your life that has drastically changed that.

I don't need people to like me, to like myself.

Freedom.

Yeah. I don't need people to like me or agree with me or to be okay with my decisions. Where I used to want everyone to like me, and therefore I would give in and abandon myself to make sure that they were taken care of. Or if I was overworked, I would just still move things around to try to help someone. Even tonight. You guys are going to dinner? I really want to go to dinner, but I'm like, I got to practice taking care of myself because I know what I have the next couple days. And it's not like this is a bad thing, but I would just try to go out of my way for people so frequently and extend myself too much, even when I was too extended. Even during the last couple of months, it's been interesting because 90% of the things I've done has been interviews for other people's shows. But I had a couple things scheduled in to come on my show just to make sure we don't get behind. And then other people had books coming out at the same time and they were trying to squeeze stuff in with me. And I was just like, gosh, I really want to help you right now, but I need to do this season for these next couple months where we're just going to have to wait and do it later. And I used to be really scared to say, no, I can't help you right now.

Why? What would you think would happen.

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I didn't want to let people down, and I didn't want people to be upset with me or disappointed with me or frustrated with me. And I think I just wanted to be liked by everyone and I wanted everyone to like me and rely on me or something like that. And now I just like myself, not in a narcissistic way, but I love and accept who I am, whether people are going to accept me for doing something or not. And that took a lot of healing. That took changing my mindset and my belief about who I was. And it took really overcoming the fear of judgment, which there's three main fears. Failure, success, and judgment. Judgment was my biggest crippling mechanism, the fear of what other people think about me. And I know you were thinking, talking about this last month and that was I wasn't afraid of failure because I knew as an athlete this was the path to success. And you make mistakes and that's part of the journey. The greatest baseball players fail 70% of the time, right? Michael Jordan missed 50% of his shots. Was he a failure or was he one of the greatest of all time because he missed half the time? And so I understood that concept in sports that I must make mistakes and fumble my way to get better. It's just feedback. It's information. Success was something I wanted. Now I wanted it from an unhealthy place to prove people wrong, to look good, to feel like I was deserving and worthy. But when I would accomplish it, it didn't make me have that feeling. I still didn't feel like it was good enough. I would still beat myself up. So I would go for more success and more success. And it wasn't giving me what I wanted to feel. And it's because I was crippled by the fear of judgment. And at the center of all three of these fears is simple concept that I am not enough, not pretty enough, talented enough, smart enough, funny enough, whatever it might be. And I didn't feel enough based on my opinions, what other people's opinions were of me. And so that made me go out of my way. It helped me in a lot of ways build great relationships. But then it was also crippling because I would overextend myself. I would abandon what I really wanted to do to make someone to put them first as opposed to creating the win win in every situation and season of life. You know, it's like, okay, this is the season I'm in. I'm going to do my best, but sometimes I can't give everything. And learning to sit and be okay with my nervous system, dealing with the potential upset or disappointment of other people. And I didn't have that skill until the last couple of years. And so learning that skill through a healing journey, through releasing that fear and worry and practicing it like it's. It keeps coming up, and I've got to keep stepping into it. Okay, is this a time to really serve and help someone, or am I abandoning myself by overextending right now?

So that's the marker, the decision maker. Do I feel like I'm abandoning myself?

Do I feel like I'm abandoning myself and my mission? And so I make decisions based on a mission, which is to serve 100 million lives weekly to help them improve the quality of their life. That means I want to give. I want to help people. I want to show up for people how I can. But if I'm doing, I don't know, three or four interviews in a day, I just know I can't give my best after that. So am I hurting myself by trying to give more? Or, you know, it's just being aware, okay, how much am I giving today or at this time zone or can I make this trip or is it overextending myself? Maybe I can make it work, but I might be regretting it afterwards and resenting myself. So just being in tune to, why am I doing this? Am I doing this because I really want to show up? Am I doing it because I'm afraid that if I don't do it, they're not going to like me?

Just final on the mindset part, because I want to know for anybody listening, because I think it sounds good, it feels good. We know we want it. But then the first time you do it, and the second time you do it, you're like, it feels crazy. So I know you talk so much about mindset. Did you have, like, a specific mantra that you kind of were like, you clung to or you would switch something or what would you do after that?

I didn't have a mantra around that, but I did have an emotional coach that would guide me.

Okay.

So I don't think it's wise to do anything alone that you're not yet good at. And I think once you master it, I still don't think it's wise to do it alone. You know, Kobe Bryant, when he won his first championship, he didn't say, thank you, coach. I'm good. Thanks for getting me here. I don't need a coach this next season. I'm going to go win the championship on my own. He actually invested in more coaches and got more support and feedback to help him to be a more dominant player. So for me, I don't think it's wise to do anything on your own when you haven't mastered it. And I think it's wise to continue to have support even when you're in a mastering journey of that thing, to keep you sharp. So, for me, I had an emotional coach, and I still have an emotional coach that I would speak into and say, this is what I'm feeling. I'm feeling like in the last six months alone, I had so many people reach out to me that hadn't reached out to me in years to ask me for something interesting.

Why do you think all of a.

Sudden I remember saying this four or five years ago, I went through a spiritual purging in my life after a previous breakup where I felt like, okay, I'm being judged in a world of people that are thinking something. And I remember feeling like, this doesn't feel good because I feel like I'm seeing nasty comments online. People are talking behind my back, and people don't know what's really happening. They're just hearing something and they're making their own interpretation. So it feels unfair and unjust. But I remember talking to Robin Sharma at the same time, and he was like, this is perfect, because everyone needs to go through a spiritual purging. And you've got to cleanse your ego constantly. And this is an opportunity for you to cleanse your ego, whether it's just or unjust, whether it's fair or unfair, whether it's correct or incorrect. Look at this as an opportunity for your ego to be cleansed, for you to dive deeper into your mission and to have a spiritual purging of people that you don't need in your life anymore, that maybe you extended and gave too much of your time to too many people. Now these people are revealing themselves based on how they were using you. So now you're aware, and maybe it's time to reinvest into you and reinvest into, like, less relationships and really stop extending. So this is just an opportunity to, like, evaluate. Not making anyone right or wrong, good or bad, but just evaluate what works for you, what's effective and what's useful in your life. And is this helping you with a mission that you're here to serve, or you're just worried about what people think about you? And so I remember this is. It was so funny because I remember being like, I take a lot of mental notes. So I remember what people do. It doesn't mean I'm not going to forgive, but I just remember and take note. Do I want these people in my life later? If they're acting a certain way now again, I feel like I don't want.

It's not even a scoreboard.

It's just, I don't want harm on anyone. I'm just like, okay, are they in alignment with what my mission is, or are they just trying to use me when it's convenient for them? So I took a lot of mental notes around this time. And I remember thinking, you know, in a few years, these people are start reaching out to me when they need something. And it just started happening one by one by one. It seems like in the last six months. And it took me facing it and be like, okay, the old me would want them to like me. It's not that I don't want them to like me, but would have me giving in to extend myself to give to them, to help them with what they want right now without even them acknowledging what happened. So I used to want to do that just because I wanted everyone to like me. And now it's just like, okay, I either don't need to respond or I can just give a neutral, hey, it's not the right fit, or just, no. And I did that for so many people in the last six months. Again, not to, like, get back at anyone. It wasn't. I was being mean, but it's just like, I wasn't abandoning myself.

To get back to yourself.

Yeah, I wasn't abandoning who I was. And it didn't feel authentic to give in those ways after certain things that happened and people that you guys know in the industry who are this way. So for me, and it's realizing, okay, can I still wish everyone all the success and love and harmony, but I don't need to have them in my life giving me a lot more peace and energy and freedom to stay focused on my mission, which is about service and focused on the people that are closest to Me and giving them more energy and attention than maybe people that are kind of wishy washy or. Or you don't really know what their. What their true intentions are.

So it's interesting as a fellow people pleaser or somebody that wants everyone to like them.

Right.

This really resonates with me. I'm curious, what does the conversation sound like? So when these are people. Well, no, out loud with the person who says, hey, man, I need you to be on your show, or I need you to do this for me. And the first time you have to not show up the way they expect you.

Well, it's an email.

I'm just kidding.

What does that kind of mean? Well, it's funny because there was a few people that would text me and say, and just assume that they would come on my Show after like 5 years of not talking to me or something, right. And I just didn't respond. And this happened to many different people and I just wouldn't respond. And then they would respond again a couple weeks later and again. And I just want to respond and then eventually just say, hey, this is not the right fit and I wish you the best. This happened to someone that you guys know closely in our space where they just kept texting and texting and expecting and wanting more after years of not reaching out. And then I got on the phone with them because they had said, hey, can we just jump on a call? And so I got on the phone, I just said, you show up to me as very inauthentic. You show up to me as a taker and not a good friend. You keep saying you're a friend, but you're not. And here's why you haven't been. I wasn't rude, I wasn't yelling, I wasn't mean. I was having 100% authentic ownership of how I felt. And again, doing it from a conscious way. And at the end, this person actually thanked me. Thank you so much for being honest with me. And I was actually a really bad friend and I actually did some bad things to you. And I don't know why I did this, but I'm sorry. They tried to apologize and things like that. I just said, okay. And they're like, well, I really want to be your friend, though. And I go, we're not friends. You have your life on a different part of the country. You have a family, you have kids, you're married. What are we gonna do? Talk on the weekends? Like, we're not friends. We haven't spoken in years. And you did things to me, that weren't what a friend would do after I gave and gave and gave to you for years. So for me, it's like just being real with people. It's not that I. And I'm like, I wish you all the success. I don't want you to not be successful. Like, go win. Go win at everything. But it just doesn't work for me right now. Maybe it doesn't mean we're not gonna be friendly in the future, but I have no intention of giving my. I've got lots of friends, I've got lots of business relationships. I've got a lot of second tier friends. Like, I don't need to add more when they feel off, inauthentic. And before, I just wanted everyone to be my friend. And it's very freeing to be able to speak to someone honestly. And again, I'm not trying to do it in a hurtful, humble way. It's just 100% authentic ownership. This is how I feel. You show up to me this way and I wish you the best and.

You close the loop.

Yeah.

Because that loop would have kept on being open. Chris and I are in that space right now. This was the first year that we sat down and we really said, who's on the long haul with us? Because I'm leaking energy and I can't live this way anymore.

And you can't accomplish what you want to accomplish when you're leaking energy everywhere.

Right.

So at some point you got to plug the leaks.

Yeah. And no. Like.

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I was talking to another one of our mutual friends where he was like, I'm not good at building relationships in terms of like putting myself out there and networking. He's like, it's not who I am. I'm really good at my thing. But I understand the importance of partnerships in business. And so I hired a few people that what they do is they reach out to all potential partners. And we essentially say we want to be in partnership with you and it's a business partnership. We want something from you and we want to help you get something from us. So they know what it's all about. They have affiliates, they have sponsors, partners, where it's like we're going to do stuff for you, you're going to do stuff for us. But when it's like people that start out as friends and it just feels inauthentic to me if they say, hey, we're friends but do this thing for Me. So it's just learning how to navigate that. And I started my business being friends with people first and just wanting to elevate. So it's just learning how to navigate it a little more authentically.

Well, I really commend you for having that honest conversation and for taking it as far as saying, hey, we're not friends. Because I could see me maybe having an honest conversation, but then bowing at the end saying, okay, well, we can work on it. I mean, you do. You win. It's not all the way.

And it's not that I'm not gonna. If I see this person in public, I'm not gonna say hi and be friendly and say, how are you doing? Because I can be a human being, but to act like we haven't spoken in years, and you did some things that I didn't really jive with years ago, and now you want me to promote you. You want this, you want that. You're asking for all these things. That's not a friend thing to do. So for me, it's just like, yeah, we're not friends, and you have your life, and that's okay. I don't need to be your friend.

No.

I think that's so important for people to hear in this. I actually was just in a room doing a live podcast last night, and so many people were talking about, like, they feel like they meet people or they even meet people at events or your event, and we have to carry everyone with us, like, through the whole journey, or everyone has to like everyone. And it's like we're all just trying to navigate and find who our fits are, and you really only have time. I feel like we really only have.

Time for, like, five quality, like, close, close friends.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you're in a partnership, like you guys have, which is beautiful, you probably want to spend a lot of time with each other.

We do.

Now that I'm with Martha, I just want to come hang out with her every night. You know, it's like, I want to spend my time where it's peaceful, where I feel accepted, where I feel seen, and we can elevate each other. And I'm like, okay, that's fun for me. I don't need to see people all the time and say yes to every meeting like I used to. And again season. At a time when I have nothing, I'm going to say yes to everyone and try to, like, meet people. And then it's reclaiming my energy now so that I can focus on my mission.

Do you feel like, you have a lot more energy. Like, what are the bonuses? I was going to say you actually feel like a different person.

I feel like I have abundance of energy. I mean, listen, I'm doing multiple interviews a day right now, so it's like I'm managing that. But I feel overall like I know, moving in with someone, buying a home, making big investment purchases, launching a book, doing three to four interviews a day while managing a business and managing a team of 20 virtually and here with all their nuances of life and navigating all the emotions of those things together five, ten years ago, I'd be a mess right now. But because I have a beautiful relationship and I have harmony in the relationship, I don't have moments of like, okay, this is all right, this is moment. I got to take a breath here. But I feel peace overall and I feel like I can navigate all these things and I'm just like, it's all going to work out. You know, the house is going to come together, the investment's here, this the team, it's going to work out, it's going to unfold how it needs to. And that gives me a lot of peace. But again, it's been 10 year journey of like ups and downs, mistakes and lessons and, you know, and improving and healing, healing in order to get here now. And it just, it feels good. But I think the only way I'm able to do it is because I constantly do emotional coaching. I don't think I would be able to do it as effectively without having a continual support from my partner, but also a coach that just allows me to like get it out and just release and move on. So that's why I think it's wise to have support in these areas of life.

I want to switch modes just for a moment. You got a couple of big milestones that you just hit in there coming up. You got a very special birthday coming up in a couple of weeks, right?

Yeah. And a birthday party.

Right. And you've got school greatness. Just turned 10 years old.

Yeah. Wow.

How many people have you touched? Have you reached by now?

Well, I count like long form downloads or views of like 20 minutes or longer. And that's about 650 million downloads in 10 years. Yeah. Wow. But it took. But even though the last year alone was a 250 million downloads, so it's taken a while to like accelerate it.

You know, 10 years, people look at you and they'd say, he's done it all, he's got it all. You know, that's what I want to do. I want to aspire to be like Lewis, but I know we're always our own hardest critics. So now that you're turning. Can I say it? 40?

Yeah. You say now that you're turning 40.

And you've done all this right. Hey, I love my 40s so far. I love it so far. What are you most proud of? And then also, what is that one thing that you wish you would have accomplished by now?

I'm proud of being in a beautiful relationship. To be honest, that's the first thing that came to me because I think for most of my life, that's what I was wanting. But I didn't know how to have a beautiful relationship with myself. And so learning how to again, healing is a journey. But learning how to heal certain parts of me that were very wounded emotionally and psychologically in intimacy and seeing how far I've come, if I look back at my younger self, my younger self will be proud of the extreme pain and suffering that I put myself through and overcame. And this is not to compare to other people's suffering and things like that, because we all have our challenges. But I used to beat myself up a lot internally. So to see myself be at peace with me and create a loving relationship for me is something I'm really proud of. Here's the interesting thing about this season of Life. I'll give you context. When I finished this book, when I finished writing it, I remember feeling for the first time. Not for the first time, but I remember feeling like I did everything I can that I wanted to put in this book. And I felt really proud of the product, right? I felt proud of it. I had a great writing partner. I felt like we really connected, and I was able to get the message out that I wanted to, that I was like, this is the book I wish I had at 16, 21, 30. For me, this is the book I wish I had two years ago to help me with all the stuff I'm navigating. And I was like, I'm glad I have this for myself in 10 years at the next season or stage of life. Marriage, kids, more responsibilities, all these things, like how to navigate at these different levels. I know Lori loves the levels. I love a good level. And I remember. So when I finished it and I did all the editing process and everything, and I was like, okay, it is complete. And I'm proud of this. I remember feeling like I'm proud of the finished product, like I gave it my best with where I'm at, right now. And I set goals for results I want to hit right. But I released them right away as, like, even if it doesn't happen, I'm still proud because I said I'm going to kill a game plan that's going to set myself to do my best effort. I'm going to be in the playoffs of the game of this book. I've got six months Runway leading up to it, the strategy, the team. Like, we've got the game plan, and now I'm going to execute. And as long as I give my best every day leading up to it, then I'm, like, releasing the results. And I can say it authentically to you, because before, I couldn't have said it where I'd be like, if I don't hit this, I'd be upset. If I don't get this list or this many sales or this press, I would have been upset and disappointed and had kind of like an expectation, hangover, frustrated. I would have been angry. And I've, you know, we'll see with the test once the book comes out, I got to face the results and see, like, okay, am I really still proud no matter what happens? And I believe in my core that I will be. So again, I haven't faced it yet, but I believe that I've released it because I know in my heart and my mind I'm giving everything I can while also taking care of my health and my relationship. And I don't want those things to suffer, to try to get, like, a number or a result and burn myself out. That's not greatness to me. It's being in harmony inside of myself and making sure the people around me closest to me feel seen and loved in my playoff season so that I have the energy to go all out in what I need to do. And then I let go of the results. And it feels really empowering right now, this season. But, you know, listen, when stakes are high and people are involved, like, you want things to be a certain way, but I'm just learning to let go and knowing that all I can do is show up and give my best in every moment and be present with you right now and not thinking about the next thing, like, I'm here, I'm doing my best, I can be proud of that snowball.

It's no small feat, though, because I know that you, internally, are a really competitive guy. Right. First, it showed up in sports, and it shows up everything else. So to miss a milestone, to not win the championship game, metaphorically speaking, by having the book Crush it. For you to say, I know that I left everything on the field and that's the part I'll be proud of. And the trophy would just be the icing on the cake. That's come a long way from who you used to be.

Yeah, I used to need to win and I used to need to make sure that my goals came true. But I'll give you a couple of instances. I really wanted to go to the Olympics, and I'm not ruling it out, but I've kind of retired from handball because I haven't played in like two and a half years.

Is there, is there an age where you age out handball?

I mean, most people stop in their late 20s, you know what I mean? So everyone on my team was 15, 20 years younger than me. The USA National Team.

Tom Brady of handball.

Exactly right. But I practice like a couple times a year. They're practicing every day. Right. So I just was able to kind of stay on the team as like the last man by getting by because of my skills as an athlete, because of my leadership communication skills and things like that. And I could still play, but they had the advantage. They're younger, stronger, they're practicing every day. You put on user, you're going to lose it anyways. I spent eight years chasing a dream of trying to. While I was on the USA national handball team for eight years, I was traveling around the world. I was playing with all these other national teams, Olympic teams I was playing against in Brazil, Argentina, Israel, the uk, you know, Mexico, Canada, Uruguay, all these different places. And just because the dream didn't come true doesn't mean it wasn't a dream come true. The experience that is so good was a dream come true. The people I met, I mean, I got to, to wear USA across my chest and sing the national anthem in front of thousands of people in Olympic type experiences, national teams and playing against the Olympians. So I didn't go to the Olympics. But the journey of what I learned about myself was a dream come true. So the results were failed, but who I became was a success. So that was one instance, my last book, the Mask of Masculinity. I wanted it to be a New York time bestseller. I thought it was a great book and it is a great book, but it didn't hit the certain results that I wanted. And I remember feeling let down by it because I was like, man, this is a book that I felt like is really going to help a lot of men heal. And just because it didn't get the results then Five years ago. What has come since then has blown my mind. Just last week I got an email or a text from a friend of mine who does work with inmates, prisoners. And I've gone to a couple prisons with him to help men. And a year and a half ago, during the pandemic, I did a live stream to all the inmates, the prisons like their little TVs in their cells, talking about the mask and masculinity, how men can be more vulnerable. And I think when men learn to heal, the world heals. Because a lot of men are the ones causing pain. The mass shootings, the harm, the domestic violence, it's because there's a wound they haven't yet healed, right? There's a wound inside that causes us to be angry, reactive, and do bad things, unlawful things. So I did this kind of speech and talked to. It went live in all the prisons, but I don't know how many people were watching it, but it was live on all the channels and I didn't hear anything for the last year and a half. I get a text message the other week from my friend who is supporting this and he gets, he sends me a photo of a six page handwritten letter and he just abbreviates the letter. He said, this is from an inmate who's been in solitary confinement for the last two years. Solitary confinement is 23 hours a day in a cell for two years. Two years, one hour day outside by yourself, just getting fresh air and the rest of time in his cell. He said when he met him two years prior, he had a swastika tattooed to his chest and he was in a white gang. Right? He was protecting and defending himself, being a part of this. And now this is a guy that goes into prisons and works with murderers and rapists and people that cause a lot of harm and wants to help them transform and heal. So he's doing amazing work. He said. When I asked him why he left the white gang, he said, I left the gang. He said, why? And he said, lewis Howes, the mask of masculinity. He said, you had him on with this live stream afterwards. I got the book. I've read the book four times and I've dropped out of the gang. And I'm starting to realize why. I had certain behaviors that got me in here and I'm starting to transform my life around. So getting that six page letter I have in the other room. And for me it's like, just because the dream didn't come true doesn't mean it wasn't A dream come true from putting that out there and the impact it has on men suffering the most. And the same thing with this. Even if it doesn't hit certain numbers or results or get all these accolades, I know for me, the experience has been powerful. I know that this has been just as healing and powerful for me as it will be for anyone that wants to read it at the right season and time of life. And for me, it's a dream come true no matter what happens after this. So I didn't have that ability to see life that way years ago because I wanted to win and be competitive. Now, I've transitioned a lot in the last 10 years with that mindset, but I still had expectations. And again, it doesn't mean I don't want things to happen a certain way. And I'm not trying to get certain results, but I'm learning to release them a lot better.

No wonder you seem so at peace. I mean, because this is the. I've known you, what, maybe eight years or so. This is the best and happiest, most peaceful I've ever seen you be. Right. And it's the most authentic, joyful feeling.

And we loved all versions.

Yeah, all the best.

All the best versions.

Because we all had artists.

Right. We all had ours. But, I mean, he is so joyful.

And so at peace now. And it makes sense as you explain all of these viewpoints on how you've shifted some of this.

Yeah. It doesn't mean it's still not challenging moments and days, and you got to deal with stress and adversity. Just I'm doing my best to manage it differently. That's what I'm trying to do.

So I feel like everything you're saying is when someone really drops into their purpose, like you're actually enjoying the journey and it's not just the career, but we just. We were just in a room where we heard the quote. What was it? It was, those with the strongest home life take the biggest risks. And I just feel like it takes the pressure off of so much where I think they take the biggest risk.

Of life you make.

Because you feel like you're.

I feel like I've got a lot of energy. I was just telling you guys before, I feel like this, you know, renewable, sustainable energy, that's like clean energy, you know, it's not like I'm just trying to muster up momentum every day because I'm draining and dragged with relationships. So I feel really healthy there. But again, it starts with having a healthy relationship with myself, and that started 10 years ago by creating a new contract with myself. Like a contract around my identity to me. Whereas I used to beat myself up. I used to say, I used to get angry. When I would get triggered, I would respond with anger. That was my go to emotion. And then when things wouldn't work out and I didn't know how to manage my emotions, I would sit in a ball in my apartment and just not be depressed, but be in a depressed state and just sit there for days, eat ice cream all day or whatever, watch TV all day. I just didn't have the energy. So I was. I wasn't as passionate. And then I used to always say this to myself growing up, that I'm stupid, I'm an idiot. You know, I'm never going to be smart enough. I used to say these things to myself. And it's funny because if we actually recorded our internal dialogue and played it on a loudspeaker in front of. They put us in a mental institution, right? And imagine saying that to your best friend or your spouse. What we say to ourselves, they want to be with you. People like, get away from me. You're not a good friend. But we're not being a good friend to ourselves with these internal dialogues. So 10 years ago, I started a process of creating a new contract. And instead of saying I'm angry based on how I was reacting, I'm depressed and I'm not smart, which is what I was saying to myself and how I was responding, I said, I have a new contract. I'm a loving, passionate, wise man. And it couldn't be something that actually was false or fake because I was loving. I just also had anger in me. I was passionate. I was still a fun, happy guy, but I was wounded. So when I would get triggered, I would get more depressed and I didn't know how to navigate it. And I remember because I used to say I was stupid, I'm not smart. All these things to myself all the time. So saying I am smart didn't resonate with me. It would have been false. But wisdom is something I felt like, actually, I am wise. I'm street smart. I understand people. I can do this. I can formulate an idea, I can create goals, I can accomplish these things. I've got some wisdom. So I created a new contract. It's been a journey of stepping into and becoming that contract for myself. I wrote it down, I signed it. This is who I am and who I'm becoming. And so it's been a process of using a lot of These strategies that.

Work for me, what's the best strategy in this book that people can use the same way that you use that strategy?

That's a loaded question.

There's. When there's a number of things around, like creating a fear list, what I really think is powerful. I won't go into it right now because I think there's some really good exercise in there. But something that came up for me when you said that is that's on my heart right now. When I was going through this time, I don't know, four or five years ago, where Robin Sharma was like, this is a perfect thing for you to go through. It's a spiritual purge, right? You're letting go of ties that you no longer need, relationships that no longer that are draining your energy, that's leaking energy. And he said, can you think back to a time where you went through a really painful time? And I was like, yeah, a lot of them. And he goes, just tell me one. I go, well, I mean, when I broke my wrist and I was devastated because I had this dream and then I'm on my sister's couch for a year and a half trying to figure out what I'm going to do with my life. And he goes, would you go back and change that? I go, no, because if that didn't happen, I wouldn't have been called to do this mission. And who knows where I'd be if I played football for three to five more years, you know, maybe I'd get stuck in that thing and I wouldn't have been called here. And so actually that season gave me like the drive and the curiosity to do what I'm doing now. It started this process. Without it, I wouldn't be here. And he goes, yeah, so just remember that this is going to be something that you need in the future, is giving you what you need. And I started thinking like after I heard him say that, I go, you know, we hear hindsight's 20 20, and I go, I just want to start having future hindsight now. I want to put myself 10 years in the future and see myself 10 years from now and say, why did I need this today? And talk to my 10 year old self and say, this is why you needed it. And start thinking from the future of why this is actually exactly happening in your life today. So what you went through the last couple years, if you could think in the future to 33 year old Laurie and say, okay, wait, I wasn't supposed to laugh that time. You're a 10 year old's older self who's actually having a conversation with you with all the wisdom you're going to have in 10 years from all the experiences, you being a mother, you being a leader and a CEO and all these things that you're going to be. And just speaking back and whispering, this is exactly why it's happening now. This is why you're going through this. It's all going to be.

That is super powerful because I can already see it with you saying that.

And just speaking to yourself from the future, as weird as that might sound.

No.

And I started doing that then, and I started doing that a couple years ago when I went through a breakup. And I just remember being like, this is the most uncomfortable feeling right now, and I don't want to be in this. This is happening for me. If I can just have future hindsight now, if I can see in the future why I need this and don't do it alone. Get support from others to be like, why do you think this is going to be helpful for me? It's hard to see when you're in it sometimes. So get support from your partner or coach and say, well, maybe this is. You're learning the tools you need. It's going to give you more humility. You're going to be wiser for the future. You're going to save yourself years of headaches in the future, whatever it is. There's probably lots of stuff in your past that was painful, that was tragic, but you want to change it. Why? Because it gave us a benefit, too. So it's just having that mindfulness during the season of stress and pain that this is all supporting me for my future.

You have four steps in your book to help people change their mindset or get into the greatness mindset. Are you in one right now, or is there one where you're like, this is the one. This is the place I'm really spending time on right now?

Well, I think it's. I think a lot of people don't celebrate when they're in the process.

Guilty.

You know what I mean? I was telling you guys before then, you know, I was on the COVID of Success magazine right now. And in the past, I would sometimes, like, diminish my accomplishments. Like, you want something so bad, but then you're like, okay, well, it's not enough or diminishing it or. And I think there's a season of making sure. Every day being in celebration of how we show up today, but then also the big moments. So I'm allowing myself to celebrate. Because I feel like if we don't celebrate what we've created, we're not opening a door for more good things to come to us. Celebrate it doesn't mean we need to, like, drag it on for like a whole year or something, but celebrate the moment. Take a moment to connect with your friend or loved one and celebrate yourself and say, you know, I acknowledge myself for showing up consistently. Take a moment, a dinner, and then you can move on or whatever it is. But most of us just kind of, like, move on quickly. It's on to the next. I think, really just take the time to celebrate. So for me, it's being in service constantly and constantly being in a celebration of life. We had a friend of ours pass away recently, and if we don't learn to celebrate, then we miss out on a lot of stuff we don't need. And this last weekend, I was at a celebration of life for another friend who passed away. If we don't celebrate the people in our life when they're here and when they're not here, then what's the point of it all? So something that. I know you guys probably do this really well, but me and Martha, we celebrate each other every day. We look at each other in the eyes and we acknowledge each other for what we're grateful for in the other person. And it feels good. We're not, like, bragging on each other nonstop, but it's just an acknowledgement of life. Acknowledgement of you being here and showing up and for all the good, all the challenges you're overcoming. So I feel like if people can celebrate those things every day, it'll be a beautiful, beautiful thing for them.

It's interesting. So we start every morning with what we call the Power 9, right? Three things we're grateful for, three things we're excited about for the day, and three things we want to manifest.

And you guys dance too, don't you? In the morning. Don't you? Like a little, like, minute dancer?

We used to bring it back.

Yeah, bring that back.

Where'd that go?

Bring that dance back.

I was going to say many times with, what I'm grateful grateful for is Lori. And I'll say it out loud verbally, but we don't look at each other.

Myself.

Yeah, we don't look at each other and speak that greatness into each other. That's a really cool tip.

You guys also do, like, I don't know if you still do. Maybe you stop the dancing and everything else, but you still. You still do the walk after Dinner.

Walk in the morning, three miles, walk in the evening, three miles. That's a lot of walking. It is. Well, the two sheepadoodles demand it.

That helps a little bit, too.

They demand a little bit too, but that's an opener. That's a good question for you. Like, what are some openers that you have in your relationship now? Like, containers that are ensured that you're gonna get your conversations out that you need?

I mean, we also have agreed to doing, like, joint coaching with coach. So we do that, I don't know, whenever we need to, but it's usually once every, like, four to six weeks. We do it individually with ourselves, but we also do it together. So that allows for that space to. To have those conversations. But we're also always in the conversation, so we're never, like, waiting for something to be like, okay, now I'm going to talk about it. We're like, let's talk about this. Okay, let's talk about it more in therapy as well. And so that's really helpful. But again, we share three things we're grateful for every night. And that is a beautiful way to complete the day.

Having those traditions, those containers. It's crucial.

I think it's beautiful. She also wakes up with a smile and just like, how are those people?

She's naturally happy for this morning.

Happy. Thank God for them.

Thank God for this one. Because I. I'm just like, oh, yeah, we should be happy.

I wake her up to a mantra every morning. I'm happier, healthier, wealthier, more fit than I was yesterday. Every single morning for years, I've never missed a morning. Even when we travel, I'll text it to her first thing when I wake up.

So I copy paste.

Yeah, that's good. Wow. That's when you text it to her.

Yep. I mean, no, in the morning when we're together, I say, but when we travel, even then I'll text it the first thing I do when I wake up.

That's beautiful. I just.

I think there's so much importance in choosing the set of lenses you want to see the morning through. Because if you control your morning, you control your day. If you control your day, you can control your week and so on.

Is that why Lori's a mess?

We woke up today.

Like, that's. That's the best way to wake up is just to, like. I don't know. I think the cheesiest stuff sometimes works.

It works.

It gets you out of whatever you're into. Yeah. It gets you out of that funk.

Or that, you know, it's talking about relationships, our fathers. We're very important relationships for each of us. And your father is an important relationship for you. I don't want to leave him out. And what we have in common is we both lost our father too early. What is something in your greatness mindset? What is something in this book that your father would be so proud that you're passing on that maybe he passed on to you?

That's a good question. You said, can I say the number or whatever? I'm going to be 40 in, I guess, a few weeks. He never celebrated the numbers when we hit our birthdays, which in the beginning of my life, I didn't understand because I was like, well, everyone else is having presents, cakes, but we aren't celebrating me. I was like, do you now love me? He said, I love you very much, but I don't want you to be limited by your age. And so he didn't celebrate any of our birthdays. And it wasn't because he didn't love us, because he actually showed us love and affection. My parents didn't do it that well with each other, but he showed it often and consistently in a lot of different ways. And he said, I never want you to feel like you're too young to go after a dream or too old to do something. And a lot of times, that's what people do. They let their age dictate what they're capable of creating in the world or doing or not doing. And I never want you to think you're too young or too old to go after your dreams. So for me, that was a beautiful. But I was like, dad, you can still buy me a cake. But for me, that was a beautiful lesson that it stayed with me because I actually kind of get awkward when it's my birthday because it was never celebrated. So when people try to celebrate it, I get to learn to keep receiving and be like, yes, let's celebrate. But I don't want to celebrate a number. It's more of, like, I want to celebrate my way of being, you know? Okay, have I been showing up consistently generous, loving, kind, and in service? If so, let's celebrate that. Let's celebrate the community we've built. Let's celebrate life in general, but not that I've made it this far. And so I try to just emphasize. And I think that's why I still have a lot of, like, just childlike energy. I just kind of act like a kid a lot, which I think because I never focused on the Number And I never thought, like, I need to start acting a different way now, obviously, responsibilities and things like that. But I've tried to have a childlike heart. And I think he passed that along by not focusing on, like, okay, another year knocked off, like, you're getting a little older. It was just like, no, you can do anything at any time if you don't limit yourself. And so that was a beautiful lesson. What was. What was something he taught you?

Shout out to dad, that's cool. For mine, he was the eternal optimist and he was always positive and he. He never complained. Lori and I have sat down never. 20 years, never tried to think of one time that we saw even, like, I'm tired or anything. Nothing single. But that's become. If I related to a greatness mindset, something that I think I strive to build that muscle, and I am nowhere near building that muscle yet. But we're conscious of it and we work at it and we call each other out when. When we complain now. And we'll say things like, hey, dad never complained once.

Like, it's pretty big.

Yeah. It was one of the best gifts he's ever given me.

And by default, her something we. You know, as an athlete on sports teams, a lot of the great coaches that I met, they cared about, yes, they wanted talented players, but they cared more about attitude, energy and effort and how you responded to challenging situations. If you had your head down and you didn't run back, or if you were like, I'm just going to run back and give them my best, even when I make a mistake. That's what I look for, people on my team and in my life is like, do you have attitude, energy and effort? We can teach skills, but one of the. I think it was. It was either Steve Jobs or it was Elon Musk. I think it was Elon Musk who said, like, one of the biggest mistakes I'm paraphrasing is hiring for talent and not for, like, culture. Fit culture. Yeah. Because he's like, I hired too many nasty people that I. They were so gifted and talented, but it just created a cancer within things and it caused more stress on me navigating and dealing with it. So I'd much rather have a less talented person on my team with incredibly good attitude, energy and effort towards life and work on building their skills up.

So I love that.

Yeah, that impacts you because life changing for you.

In the title of the book, I guess I'd call it the subtitle, unlock the power of your mind and Live your best life today. Fast forward to 100 years from now when you're at the end of your life. How will you know you've lived your best life? What would be the tangible evidence?

I saw a guy who was like in his 80s or 90s, like this super wealthy billionaire guy talk about what is success at that age. And he said that my kids don't want to hang out with me. We talk about that. And I think that just came to me when you asked that. The people that I've impacted and been around in my life, they want to hang out with me genuinely because of my heart, not because of what I've created in life. I think that will be something I'm really proud of and something that I'll be like, man, I did it right.

You know, I love that.

That's incredible.

I love that pitch. The book, who's it for? Who'd you write it for?

This was for me. I wrote this book for me. Stuck struggling, trying to figure out life, trying to navigate the pain and the not enoughness inside of me. And so whatever season you're at, if you feel like there's something holding you back, if there's some fear or self doubt holding you back, I just want to let you know that you're not alone. And a lot of people struggle with the same type of fear and insecurity. And I wanted to. This has been a 10 years of research for me, finding the top neuroscientists, brain surgeons, emotional therapists, coaches and leaders in the field of understanding the emotions on their wisdom and my mistakes and lessons on how to navigate it with a little bit more ease. I'm not saying it's going to be perfect, but I want to give people a better process that I wish I had 10 years ago when I was really struggling. So that's what this is about. That's who it's for. And I'm grateful for you guys for having me on.

I love that.

So grateful.

I want to do a little giveaway if you don't mind. The first hundred people that listen to this episode that will tag all three of us, Louis, Lori and I with their favorite takeaway. Something they learned or something that was of impact to them. We and our team will buy and send them one of these books.

Appreciate it.

Just want to be able to get as many hands as possible because this really is a book about greatness, you.

Know, and we need more people to.

Live into their greatness out there.

Yeah, we're so honestly, I don't know I'm sure we would have found our way, Louis, but you really helped a lot. And so much of what is in that book is what we've been able to adopt from you. And just thinking about all the people we've been able to impact because you've impacted us is just so amazing. So we're so grateful for you.

Truly. Truly. I'll close by saying this. You always wrap your episodes up with speaking words of affirmation into people. And I want everybody listening to know that what they see in you when you're connecting people and giving up of your own self to lift other people up and all that, it's as real and genuine and way more than actually meets the eye. And that's the real human being that you are. And I want everybody to know that that is the extraordinary person that you show up as every day.

Appreciate you both. I'm so grateful for both of you.

All right, you guys, we're so grateful for you. Give Lewis a shout out. Make sure you tag the three of us, and we'll send you a book. We're so excited. And until next time, we will see you next week. Bye, everyone.

Thank you.