The Inner Work Behind a Multi-Million Dollar Leap with Kat Norton, Miss Excel

If you know on the other side of this, you will have everything you ever wanted, would you sit there? I'm going to take the bet on me. Within a few weeks, it was bringing in more money every month than my day job was. I was like, what is going on here?

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Earn your happy podcast. Today's episode is another throwback, so of my favorite conversations. And you guys know that I've had this podcast for eight years. So if you're newer to the podcast, I have literally recorded over 1400 episodes, you guys. So I want to make sure that you don't miss any of these super amazing, juicy conversations that I have chosen just for you. Because I can't tell you about the wealth of knowledge that is in this free freaking catalog of throwbacks. I don't want you to miss it. It's truly what has changed my life and helped me on my journey of growth in entrepreneurship, in relationships, in personal development. And I know that these messages are going to hit you in the same kind of powerful way that they hit me. So I hope that you love this one as much as I do. And let's get started. So on the podcast today, we have got Kat Norton. She's also known on the Internet as Ms. Excel. Since launching Ms. Excel in 2020. Listen to this, guys. She's grown her TikTok and Instagram audience to over 1 million followers. And this is all teaching how to have fun and save time with Excel. So if you're sitting there thinking, okay, I've got this thing, but I think it's too niche, or I want to be talking about, you know, helping people transform their mind or their body or whatever it is that you want to be doing. If you think that you can't grow an audience, I just have to stop you right now. Because if she can grow to a million people talking about Excel, you can do it, too. So beyond her success with her brand and membership, she's also into manifestation meditation and inner child work. So on this show, we talked all about how she knew she was meant for massive success, even when she was living with her parents and didn't have the proof of her success yet. She also shares the practices she did to prepare her nervous system for the platform and influence that she now has, creating what, especially from the outside, looks like overnight success. And she says it was not. She literally had to do all of the internal work before she got there. And she's going to cue you in on how to do that. I had so much fun on this Conversation and how to literally shape your reality. Plus, if you know me and you've been listening to the podcast, you know that one of my focuses this year is to be organized. And Kat recently recently launched Ms. Optimize, giving you resources to productivity, mindset and business hacks to work smarter and feel happier. Here we go. Kat, I'm so excited to have you on the podcast. Welcome to earn your happy.

Thank you so much for having me. I am beyond excited to be here today.

Okay. So I heard about you from my girlfriend, Lindsay Schwartz, because she interviewed you and she literally couldn't even wait to tell me. She was like, this was one of my favorite interviews. You have to interview her. And I was like, oh, how do I not know this woman? Because you have an amazing following. You do a couple different things. So this is really cool because you are known for teaching Excel. Okay, tell me about this. We have to break this down. How did you get into that? And then we're going to switch. We're going to switch roles a little bit into this other person that you are.

Yes. So really, the journey actually began back in March of 2020. Okay.

2020.

Oh, yeah. All right. When all the things were shifting and I found myself back in my childhood bedroom of my parents house. I was 27 years old, buried in student debt, being like, what do I want to do with my life? Yeah. And I was having one of those moments where I'm like, okay, you know, I'm at my corporate job, it pays the bills, but this isn't lighting me up. This isn't fulfilling me in a creative perspective. And I just feel like there's something more that I could be doing. So I started diving deep into inner work from all different modalities. I was kind of just diving head first into the water.

Had you ever done like personal development or anything before? Was this like, what, what even? So what drew you to that? What made you find it?

It was pretty new to me, really. Around 2019, I first went to Morocco on a Kund Kundalini yoga retreat.

Okay.

And that's kind of what first opened my eyes.

That'll crack you open. You like from zero to Kundalini?

Yeah. I like to do things intensely in life. And so I, I did that and that definitely opened up my eyes to like, okay, there's some other things going on here. Beyond the veil.

Yeah.

And then I was like, all right, we need to get my logical Excel brain on board with all of this though. So I started diving into the work of Dr. Joe Dispenza. And he does an awesome job of really demystifying the mystical and backing it up with science. And that is really what my little logical mind needed to be like, okay, this, you know, think positive and good things will happen narrative and really back it up with some science. So I read the first hundred pages of his book in March of 2020, which is breaking the Habit of being yourself. Yeah, I love that one. Amazing. And in those first hundred pages, it just shifted the way I was looking at the world. So that was really, you know, getting the brain on board. Then simultaneously I was like, all right, I'm going to dabble in this inner child work realm, subconscious reprogramming and see what this is all about. So I did. Lacy Phillips has a program called To Be Magnetic and I'm a Capricorn. And it's a really nice structured way to do inner child work because a lot of the space just really felt like to me kind of out there. And like I wanted to know, like, do steps A, B, C and D and get to this result and just trying to add a little bit of that structure to it. Right. That's something that worked really well for me. And I was, you know, twice a day popping on my headphones before work, after work and just reprogramming my subconscious, reprogramming different memories that were holding me in place. And then the third thing I layered in was more of the Kundalini yoga. And a lot of people might not be familiar with Kundalini.

Give everyone a little rundown. Yeah, they're like, what the heck?

Kundalini is really my mental meditation of choice because it's not something where, you know, you have to sit there and just like close your eyes and try to blank out your mind. Where for me, like my brain, I got my brain scanned. I'm like always in high beta. So it's, it's a lot's going on upstairs. And that was always really hard for me. And so I kind of wasn't really meditating as often. Where Kundalini Yoga, there's just a lot going on. You have your eyes in a certain gaze. You're doing certain mudras, like hand positions, you're chanting. So there's things coming out your mouth. You're like the. There, there's just a lot happening.

Give your brain something to focus on with each thing.

Yeah, yeah. And there's all different types. So I was doing a prosperity meditation every day, right when I was starting this out.

While you're in your parents house, you're like chanting.

Yeah. I'm like, let's bring it, team. Get me out of this house. Like, it's time to go, somebody. Yeah. So I really started diving into the Kundalini yoga and it does a really good job at moving subconscious thought forms too, on a more of a. In the brain level. So it's a lot of it. It's not something like I'm going to sit and focus on that time when I was 4. You know, you're just doing like an addiction meditation that's going through and breaking addictive thought patterns and there's so many different angles to that. So really between the three of those, for me, I was just like overhauling a ton of stuff from March, April, May. So then by the time it got to June, I was on the phone with one of my best friends and she's a projector in human design. If you're, if you've gone down the human design rabbit hol. Projectors are like very much visionaries and they're really good at like pulling down creative thoughts. And I was like, you know, I feel like I could create some kind of side hustle. Maybe if I had some more income, I can move out of my parents house and you know, start doing something more with my life. And she was like, well, what if you put the excel tips on TikTok? Because a little backstory on the side of my day job. I was teaching Excel for fun, for like an Amazon gift card. I love you. I was like, yeah, I just started at the company. I was trying to, you know, build my brand there. And I was like, you know what? A lot of people need Excel help. I'm really good at Excel. I can help people. So I built out an internal training program and next thing you know, they're flying me around the US hosting these live Excel sessions. Wow. And I just love to do it. So she was like, what if you took these tips and put them on TikTok? And internally I was like, TikTok, you know? Yeah. I had so much resistance to tick tock in particular because, you know, I saw my friends on. I'm like, I'm gonna read a book. I'm not gonna go on TikTok. You know, like, I had such like preconceived notions about it. So internally, initially I like pulled back and was like, no, I can't just go on TikTok. I have a.

Did you even think it would work? Were you like selling TikTok? Will this even work?

Yeah, I didn't even have the app on my phone. Like, I didn't even know how it worked. I felt like such a granny. Yeah. And so. But when she said it, the interesting part was it was like this lightning bolt moment where I saw the content and I just saw this Excel screen above my head to the Drake song. Twosie slide. Left foot up, right foot slide to the left and the right function. Like, when she said it, it was just like, boom. I saw this and I'm like, what? And so I get off the phone with her and I can't stop thinking about this idea. I download TikTok. I Look, nobody's teaching Excel on it. And I'm like, do people just not like, excel on TikTok or, like, am I going to be the first to do this? And I'm digging around, there's nothing there in the Excel space. And then I kept thinking about. I'm like, well, you know, I don't really know how to video edit. How does one get an Excel screen above their head? Right? Like, I don't know how to do that. So I spent two days kind of like thinking, mulling over the idea and was actually having so much resistance in the body because my brain was like, you can't make TikTok. But my gut was like, make the TikTok. So never forget, Friday rolls around, my schedule magically opens, like, meetings just falling off the calendar. And I had this block of time, and I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna do a dry run of this Excel thing and see if I could get this screen above my head. Because, you know, if I can't even get the screen above my head, this idea is out the window. And so I didn't even do hair and makeup because this was early pandemic days. You're also putting on makeup for nothing. So I was like, all right, I'm just going to, you know, grab my little ring light. And I stood in front of the ring light that I had for, like, meetings and stuff, and I made this, like, dancing video. It's a left foot up, right foot slide. I'm just like, pointing. And then I did. I made a zoom call. I made a fake zoom call and I recorded my screen doing the Excel clicking. And then I googled easiest video editor. And I came up with we video. And I watched a 40 minute YouTube video, taught myself how to edit, and was like, okay. So I took the two pieces, I put them together and was like, wait, this is actually pretty cool. Like, this is like, I kind of dig this. So I'm like, all right. Now meanwhile, it's a Friday night. Like, my boyfriend's over my mom's. They're like, what are you doing? And I'm like doing full glam in the bathroom. Like it's the middle of pandemic. Like, you're not going anywhere. What are you doing? I'm like, you know, popping myself up and I got this. And then I go into the room and I just knocked out like 10 videos.

Wow.

Yeah. And I sat in my room that weekend and I edited them. And then on June 7, I posted my first one. Now, meanwhile, before this, I YouTubed the TikTok algorithm. I'm like, if there's these like 12 year olds making millions of dollars on TikTok, like I'm a kid, I'm a figure out. So I go on YouTube and I like, watch some videos, like post it this time. You know, like the quantitative stuff. And I'm like, all right, I'm going to game this. I got this. And I start posting one video a day. And now, yes, I had worked through a lot of my stuff to get to that point, but there was still some resistance there. So I'm like, you know what, I'm just not going to tell anybody about this. This can be my secret TikTok account. And if it flops, like, nobody's going to know. It's fine. So only my boyfriend, my mother knew. So I started posting one video a day. And by the fourth video, I had that DMX song. X gonna give it to you. Oh, yeah. To the X function.

And he did.

And next thing you know, the video reaches a hundred thousand views. Oh, God. And it gets pushed to all these people I know at work because it's somehow like synced to my contacts. And I'm like, oh my God, I gonna give it to you. Yeah, like X gave it to me. Freaking out. And all of a sudden it gets pushed to all these people. I know I'm getting like messages from people at work. I'm like, oh, like the vulnerability hangover was strong.

I didn't know you like dmx.

Yeah. And like, meanwhile though, I still had like, you know, six more videos to post. I just give go on one a day. By video number six, the CEO of an IT company reaches out in my comments and is like, hey, I really love your teaching style. I'm looking to create G suite training videos. So, like the Google version of everything I was doing for students, parents and teachers.

Oh my God.

Schools were going digital. Yeah. And he had this company helping all These schools in Massachusetts. And he's like, we need to help. We need content. So, you know, clearly, I'm a Microsoft gal.

You're like, I have. I've made six videos. I am your girl.

You can hire me. So, yeah, you know, and I didn't really know Google as well, but I taught myself of that. And I got on the phone with him, and I never forget, he asked what my hourly rate was like. I've never had an hourly rate before. I was like, the. The biggest number I can muster up in the moment. I was like, $100 an hour was like, what I can muster. And I'm like, he'll negotiate me to 50 and I'll take it. Yeah. And I was, I go in, you know, because I'd backed into two. I was like, my dream is to bring in enough money from the side hustle so that, like, I could pay for our future mortgage for a house on Long Island. Because that was the vision at the time. And so I'm like, I want like, $5,000 a month. In my head, that was like, crazy.

Oh, yeah.

And so I'm like, okay, like a hundred dollars an hour. I'm backing into the numbers. I get on the meeting, I tell this man, $100 an hour. Just straight face. I've been on TikTok for six days. And he literally was like, okay.

He's like, yes.

And I'm like, what?

He's like, we budgeted 5,000.

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, my gosh. So at this point, point I, you know, he sends me a shirt in the mail, a laptop. I'm like, this is official. Things are happening here. So at this point, I'm working 40, 50 hours a week at my day job. I'm doing another probably like 10ish a week building the content for Ms. Excel. And at this point, you know, obviously that's not making money, but I'm like, you know, it's helping people. It's getting some traction. And then I did another, like, 10, 15 hours a week for this guy on the side selling videos back to him.

Okay, so you're pretty busy.

I'm booking it. I'm booking it. But, you know, I'm super hyped up for what I'm doing. I'm just really lit up by everything, everything. And it was just like, the most exciting time of my life.

Yeah, for sure.

I just, I was truly living in the quantum field. I did not know what was going to happen next. And within the next few weeks, I had my first video on TikTok go viral, I looked down at my phone, it is like, non stop buzzing. I've never had this experience in my life. Like, it was just buzzing. And so I pick it up and every time I pull down to refresh, it was like, 15 new followers. 15 new followers, like, every second. And I was like, what's happening? And I look on my TikTok and I had this video get 3.7 million views within a few days. I look down, I have 100,000 followers.

Wow.

It's like three weeks team now. If you had seen any of my prior social media content on my personal page, you'd be like, this girl is not an influencer, clearly. And so I was just kind of, you know, flying by, see my pants, riding it out, trying to figure out what to do. And it was crazy because right after that, like, I was, you know, talk, and people were talking to me about, obviously, because more people found out and they're like, you know, TikTok is about to get banned in the U.S. like, you're kind of screwed with your little business. Like, people are giving me all this shit.

Yeah.

And I'm just like, okay, well, I'm just going to make it take an Instagram and hedge my risk here. So I go on, I build an Instagram account, and then I kept going viral on Instagram too. And, like, it would be like 50,000 followers. 50,000 followers. And they just start, like, stacking, stacking. And the content just starts exploding on both platforms because of this element of polarity that it created because people are like, what is this girl doing? She's dancing. There's Excel. I've never seen anything like this in my life. Like, what's happening? And I was doing cool things. I was matching, like, you know, create a dropdown menu to drop it. Like, it's hot. I see dog. We're freezing ourselves. The Ice Ice Baby by Vanilla I see. I was just having a good time. And so, you know, it was a great creative expression for me too, because, yes, I'm a tech nerd, but, like, this was a cool way to, like, bring music and dance and creativity into it. So. So I keep posting these videos. It keeps going viral on these different platforms. Next thing you know, I have like a few hundred thousand followers on TikTok on Instagram, zero business, zero mailing list, zero link in the bio. And looking back now, I'm like, so there's a business coach slides into my DMs, who actually had been working with just a rose. So, like, that's how I ended up meeting her in the water. And so this guy Jake slides into to my DMS and he's like, hey, so I noticed, you know, you got a lot of followers over there, but you don't have a business model. You're not, you're not selling anything. What do you do? Yeah, like you're just posting free videos every day for the last four months just to help people. Like that's great, but like, you could build a business around this. So I did a couple of meetings with him, you know, got the basics down. I had the link tree, the mailchimp, you know, the freebie, going to the link and buy all the things. And I start growing like a little mailing list. And then I got the energetic hit where I'm like, okay, what is the next logical thing to sell if I were to build this business? And it would be an Excel course, right? Like, people are asking for it, people want it, but I'm like, this can't just be like an Excel course. This needs to be the coolest, most fun, entertaining Excel course. Because if you look at my content, your girl can have a boring course right now. Yeah. So I take two weeks off from my day job at this point and I'm on vacation in my living room and I start building out the most fun, entertaining Excel course I could possibly think of. So I'm sitting there just like infusing it with creativity. I'm like, how could I take them on field trips? We have a hiking boot example. I'm taking them to the desert, you know, like, I'm just trying to make it really entertaining because, you know, the whole gym quick learning method, the memory plus info information plus emotion equals memory. So that's where like, I needed that emotional piece. I needed to spark that emotion in them so that way they'll actually learn and they'll actually remember. So I want them laughing, I want them paying attention. I want to be on the screen with them, like hanging out. So I filmed this course and I edited a hundred videos myself. And in that two week period, I kind of mapped it all out, filmed everything, edited everything and launched it on Black Friday. Because you know, in my head I'm like, this is a great idea. So I launch it on Black Friday 2020. And you know, I had a little thinkific site up. I designed my website myself. I was like a straight one woman show at the moment.

Wow.

And so I build all of it out and I started selling it. And next thing you know, within a few weeks, it was bringing in more money every month than my day job was.

Wow.

And I had like a six figure salary at a consulting firm. I was like, what is going on here? And I was like, okay, Ms. Excel, now that this evergreen course is built, it takes literally like 10 hours a week for me to make this content. My day job's taken 40, 50 hours a week. I would be dangerous with that time back in my schedule.

Absolutely.

So I had a moment with myself and I was like, I think I'm gonna quit my job. And I had never quit a job before. Like, I, you know, I interned at this company, I loved this company, I worked with them, I love my team. But I was like, this is definitely holding me back right now. And you know, I had all my classic matrix people in my head being like, oh, what are you gonna do about like 401k insurance, like benefits, you know? Hello, you can't just like quit your job. Like you made like $10,000. Yeah. And I was like, like, no, I'm going to take the bet on me. Because if I know with 100% certainty that I am not going to give up on myself, I have a hundred percent success rate, do I not? And that's really how I explained it to people. And I also looked at like, if you know on the other side of this, you will have everything you ever wanted, would you sit there or would you do it? And that's where I was like, I know that I'm in this flow state right now. I know that miracles are happening all around me. I need to just do this for me. So I quit my job January 2021. So it's two months after starting to sell my little courses there. And then I was like, okay, I have this time back. What am I going to do? I built nine more courses across all the Microsoft Office suite. And then I bought a Google sheets course, a kids course, an AI course. And I just start stacking and bundling these courses because one of the things, you know, I surround myself with lots of business coach friends and they were like, you need a higher price point to really start scaling this thing, you know. So I bundled nine courses together and hit that thousand dollar mark and started doing webinars. And I was so nervous for my first webinar because everything I've been doing is evergreen. And you know, coming live to something is where you're really showing up.

Yeah, it's totally different.

Yeah. And like I grew up with this severe anxiety disorder. I hated having any attention on me. I could not public Speak to save my life. So this was really me showing up in that space that I'd been hiding from for 27 years. Yeah. And so I'm like, you know what though? I wanted to get the financials up. I wanted to hit the six figure mark. @ the time, that was like really what I was going for. And I also had the attention of Business Insider at the time, which I was manifesting press and they had reached out and they wanted numbers and they wanted proof of numbers. And I'm like, I want this to be a six figure business before this rolls out in the press. So that kind of like helped me make the move into doing the webinars. So I taught myself Webinar jam, built out a webinar. Mike, my partner is, was one of the number one ranked sales reps in North America. He's incredibly gifted at sales and so he's actually on my team now. And it's amazing. And so he likes like primed me up, he like sat me down. Because I remember before this I, you know, if someone told me I couldn't do something, I'd be like, oh yeah, they're right, I can't do that. Where he would always be like, no, that fuels me up, you know, and I was never like that. And so he was, you know, like beating on my subconscious. He's like, no, like you need to go. You know how well these courses work. You know how many people you can help, like. And he helped me craft my pitch, craft the sale. I get on my first webinar, I crushed it makes like $50,000 and I'm like, oh my God. So I'd never seen that much money like in my.

Life. Yeah, Especially come in all at.

Once. Yeah. And I was freaking out and you know, because most of my money was going to my student loans and I couldn't leave my parents house. So at that point I was.

Like, whoa, how many webinars can I do in a.

Day? And that's when it really began. And then I started, you know, scaling and doing more and more webinars and bundling things together and changing topics. And then the press started really picking up on what I was doing because I went to Bellrock in Sedona, I live in Sedona. And that's one of my favorite little manifesting spots. And I was calling in like bigger press, bigger opportunities. And it just so happened with like the timing and the alignment and I didn't realize this is how it was going to happen. But I was on Neelay Patel's podcast for the Verge. And I had just had my first six figure.

Day. Oh my.

God. From a webinar. And I was, you know, just so happens two days later he was interviewing me and it came up and that headline from the podcast just went viral across the media. And like 50 global news outlets picked up my story. Next thing you know, it was everywhere. And that's where too, like, I really started learning about balancing my nervous system to be able to hold all that energy. Cause now I was like, this is why some celebrities go crazy. Because it's like when you have that many people judging you and pointing eyes on you, like, makes you a little, little wild there. And so I. That's where I started doubling down on the spiritual work again because my nervous system, like, I was shaky and stuff. Like, even though, like it was all digital, you can still feel.

That.

Yes. Yeah. So, like I, I started, you know, really learning and growing from that experience that was now around like 2022. And then I just continued to kind of scale and grow the business from.

There. Okay, so I, I love the story and I wanted you to tell this story because we had chatted about all of the success that you've experienced. And obviously as people are listening this, they're like, how, though, like, if I tried to do that, I'd be so nervous. I'd be freaked out at so many points. And it's not that you weren't. That's what we want to go back to, is all of the different times that you felt crazy that you were worried about what people were thinking, that every single thing before you hit post, because that takes a lot of those moments of, Here we go. Oh, God, here we go. Tell me about how you started to be the person who could just hit post, not care as much. Even though of course we still care, we're human. But the other thing, you guys, that she is really into, that we're going to dive into, is I wanted her to tell the story so that we could get to the real story of what she believes is the entire, like, spine of what your business is. So what do you believe is the foundation for all of this success? When you really look back on.

It? That's such a great way to put it. The spine of the business, it really is energetics and manifestation and bringing yourself into energetic alignment. Now there are tons of tools out there and it's really a matter of, you know, this is what I'd encourage people to do, is find something that resonates with you and what works for you? For some people, they might look at me doing Kundalini yoga and be like. Like, does not resonate for me. Like, I'm not trying to chant some Sanskrit. I don't want to do this up in my room at 6am not into the white hair. Yeah, yeah. All the things. Right. And you know, I would encourage people too, though, to, like, know nothing's that rigid. Like, I kind of just. It's kind of like a mixology class of life. And I just kind of made my own little special beverage. Yeah. And so I kind of went through and picked and chose, like, different things that worked really well for.

Me. And when you say worked really well, how did you know they worked.

Well? They made me money, they made me happy. They made me show up as myself. Because if we, like, rewind it back. I missed, like an entire year of school in middle school because I was so scared to leave my.

House. We have so much of that in common. Just tell me about that a little.

Bit. Yeah, that experience. So it really started with separation anxiety when I was really little. And I just was terrified to go to school. I was terrified to be a human. Like, I was just so scared I was going to die all the.

Time. What made you afraid of.

Everything? Do you remember? I really don't know. I think I just came to the planet was.

Like, it's just who I.

Was. I was just scared. And I was super scared of just, like, getting in trouble. I was scared of doing something wrong. I was. I was really just scared of everything. And I just like to come home and like, play the Sims in my house and like, build my little reality that I can control. I obviously psychoanalyze the house hell out of that. As I got older, I'm like, why not like the Sims so much? But it was really because I could build this little world where I was in control of it and what was going on, where the anxiety was, the unknown. I didn't know what happened when I went to school. What if I, like, died? I don't know. You know, like, in my head, I just had so many fears, so many blocks. So then when it came to doing, like, normal things, like give a presentation to your Spanish class, like, I get up there and be shaking bright red. Like, worst nightmare, thinking about out for weeks. And my body was just constantly in fight or flight, which is something I'm still working on now. Like, somatically releasing a lot of this because it was like, in the way I was carrying myself still. So I've been doing a Lot of body work lately on the physical in 2024 to release more of that. Cause I'm very good at rewiring the mind, but my body needs to catch on up.

Here.

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, there was just a lot going on on the anxiety front. And then as I got older, I started, you know, I went to therapy. I was, like, doing all the things and not really in the spiritual realm, more of, like, the 3D matrix realm. That. And, you know, I still had it, but it was showing up differently as I got older. By the time I got to college, it was more so, like, people pleasing, feeling really uncomfortable in my own skin. I had a ton of acne, so I was always, like, pounding on tons of makeup and, like, kind of hiding myself. It was really just, you know, classic corporate stuff, too, like, imposter syndrome, never feeling good enough. And I was just really my own head. So, like, I was able to show up for things. And a lot of people wouldn't know on the outside what I'm going through on the inside, because I'm really good at hiding it. Even if, like, you know, I have a panic attack doing a presentation, nobody knows because I'm just very good at, like, the show goes on, and then afterwards I'm like, you know, so that was really something I worked through a lot of, but it was still, like, deeply rooted in. In me by the time I got to doing this inner work. And that's where I finally started to, like, shuttle some of it out. So I stopped playing small because I literally would have been still probably buried in student debt. My childhood veteran, right now, like, you know, doing the linear way of life that I had been taught and conditioned to believe that, like, this is what success has to look like. And I had never seen quantum success before. And I didn't realize, you know, you can work four hours a week and make millions of dollars and travel and have everything you want to. Like, that was never modeled for me. So it really came down to getting rid of the conditioning, getting myself out of this fight or flight all the time. And then that's where the magic was able to come through. And I was super resistant, receptive to all these different modalities. And I started kind of soaking it up and seeing, okay, like, you know, I did this Kundalini mantra right before a webinar. It did really well. I don't know, you know, and.

So is that what it started to look like? Was it okay, so for someone right now who's listening, because there's a lot of People who, they're either want to be entrepreneurs. They're entrepreneurs, or they're, you know, they want us. Everybody wants to scale. That's why you're listening to this podcast. We want to grow personally. We want to grow our business. So someone is listening, going, wait, I still have a lot of anxiety around X or I would love to take a massive quantum leap. We're actually talking a lot about that on the podcast right now, which is super exciting. Just like 10xing where you're going. So somebody's ready to take a quantum leap. They want to know exactly what they should be doing every day. Like, what does that look like? And I know that you can't give them the.

Modality.

Yeah. But what did that look like for you? What are the things you made sure that you did every day or before your trainings? Tell me those.

Things. Totally. And I mean, the first thing is the gift of awareness. If you are aware that you have this anxiety holding you back, that is a huge step. We're aware. Yeah. Like, having the awareness of, like, the blocks. And then really coming through to this point, too, is when you have thoughts come in that you feel are holding you back, creating that space in between you and the thought so you're not just immediately emotionally having it. So, for example, you know, if it's like, oh, I can't do that podcast, and a lot of people just take it, take the thought and be like, okay, like, I can't do the podcast. Yeah. Where I would challenge you in those moments to really start identifying those thoughts, creating that space. And then once you have the awareness of, like, the exact particulars that are holding you back, like, anxiety might be like a blanket term, but, like, I had little thoughts being like, well, you can't do this because of this, you know? And once you kind of get really clear on those, that's the first gift. Because that kind of gives you a little roadmap of what you get to work on. And it's a matter of, yeah, we could figure this stuff out when we're 80 or never. Right. Like, some people just, yeah, I am the way I am. I'm a stubborn person, you know, and they just carry that with them. Or a lot of people just don't realize due to neuroplasticity, we can all just rewire what we don't like about.

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Like? Yeah, So, I mean, for me, the first reason that was coming through. And a lot of times your subconscious will try to, like, hide the true thing, right? Especially if it thinks you're gonna tell somebody. So, like, what came through first for me was, I can't go on TikTok. I have a corporate job. So I had this, like, image in my head that I had to keep up. And when I thought about TikTok, I thought about, like, girls in crop tops bussing it. Like, yes, I did go on to do that myself. But, you know, it was one of those things where I was like, okay, let's go deeper. Why? Why can't you do that? Well, people will think I'm unprofessional. Why Is that a bad thing if people think you're unprofessional? It won't get me hired. Oh, why wouldn't you be hired? Oh, I wouldn't make money. Oh, why wouldn't you get money? Because then, you know, I need money to live. And it comes down to like scarcity. Like, you know, so like two totally different things. Like, I have a corporate job. I'm scared this will make me go.

Broke.

Yes. You know, like two totally different thought forms. So a lot of times the subconscious will try to hide it. So I always first try to like unbury it and I'm like, right, what's really going on here? And then I start whipping out tools. And we live in the Aquarian age. Like there are so many tools at our fingertips. We have the Internet, like there's just everything. We are inundated with knowledge everywhere, constantly phones, devices. Like I started taking just like an hour a day and like researching things. And I was researching all across the board. Like at one point I went down like a hair rabbit hole and I'm researching like hair tutorial. I was like, what can I do to make myself feel better, to make myself look better, to make myself, you know, like feel on that highest timeline and align to it. So I'd spend like an hour a day doing research. And that's why I started coming across these different modalities. And then it's a matter of just finding things that work really well for you. So for example, for me, when it came to inner child work, I'm like, what? I'm just gonna like close my eyes and like talk to mini me out here. Like, what's that all about? Yeah. And I didn't realize that like if you get yourself into a hypnotic state through self hypnosis and you're inside of those theta brainwaves, it becomes way easier to reprogram those limiting beliefs. And by reprogram, if people are like, what does she keep saying? Like, are we doing like a lobotomy out here? Reprogramming. Essentially, what I was doing through that modality is I would see a memory of myself in my childhood. So for example, I had this memory of me in preschool, hugging my teddy bear, crying. I talked to my mom about it, which very interesting thing to do in her child work in your parents house. And I come out of my room one day and she's just like, kathleen, that was one day. But I don't remember the other days because it wasn't traumatizing. So remember like information plus emotion equals Memory, like no memory, right? So what you do is you essentially envision a normal day of preschool where I got there and I was happy. And that neutralizes the electromagnetic charge of the memory memory that is currently manifesting in your reality. So I was like, oh my gosh. Like I started going through and instead of having this like remembering that time, like some kind of traumatizing time, I would then remember all the other days. And it just kind of evened it out. So I went through so many iterations. I did like 80 times about, of doing this. Morning, night, morning, night. I did it for 40 days and I was just clearing stuff. Clearing stuff, clearing stuff. And then I'll never forget two months before I started Miss Excel. So it wasn't even a thought in my mind. I came out of my childhood bedroom and my mom was in the living room. And I'm like, mom, I'm going to be rich and famous soon, so I need you to prepare your nervous system for that. And I was like dead ass, genuinely concerned about her. I was like, you don't even know what's about to happen. Like, and I'm like, I have to warn my mom. And I didn't even have a business. I didn't even have an.

Idea. What did she.

Say? She, she was like, kathleen, go clean your room. And like, I've since retired my mom and we are now like working through these beliefs together. I'm still constantly like helping her because for her this has been incredibly traumatic as well. Because like, she always saw me in one way and she saw me as this like scared little kid my whole life and like scarcity and you know, like I was helping pay my parents bills at one point and like, you know, it was one of those things where I'm like, we don't have to do that anymore, mom. Like, you know, and that like, so it's been fun reprogramming on the other side side with her too. Because like, I mean this is a yogic teaching, but essentially when you heal yourself, you go in and heal seven generations forward and seven generations.

Back. I fully believe that and feel. Yeah, I've watched how, you know, the people in, in my life who feel themselves and my myself doing a lot of the work too. It's like I watch the people around all of us heal themselves or get better in some way. Even if it's a small way. If you can think about it right now, like all of the people that you've been around by doing this work, you're like, wow, they've really made some big changes. Okay, so let's. Let's put that into a term that someone can grab onto, because I love this because I'm trying to. I'm, like, taking this into a couple things in my life right now. Okay, so we. We think of the.

Fear.

Yeah. And then we ask why? So we try to find the root. So it's just like, why, why, why, why? Till you go, oh, that's the one. And then on that one, we picture it, but then we replace it with a similar thought, like a similar positive thought. How would you say.

That? That's a great idea. So you can go in and, you know, kind of flip the narrative on it and just have, you know, a different affirmation that you could go through. But then I would also kind of look at, like, what is the root of that? Like, sometimes when you think about it and you look at that memory, like, you'll get. You'll get like, a jolt of, like, something from childhood where you're like, well, you know, this one time when I was little, like, this happened and I got yelled at for it. And maybe that's why, you know, and if you're having things like that pop up where, like, your subconscious is literally showing you the memories, I would definitely go in and try to work on those. And in terms of working on those, so many modalities. But one that worked really well for me is, you know, subconscious reprogramming. So, like, kind of going in and really showing your subconscious there could be another way. Another great one's hypnosis. I just did RRT yesterday for three days in a row, Rapid resolution therapy, where he would put me into a hypnotic state and help me work through different blocks I was still having now. So, like, there's just so many fun things out there that I'm always just encouraging people to, like, try, and if it doesn't work, try something else, you.

Know? So here's what I love. Like, you. You've thrown out a lot of different tools that maybe people are like, I don't know what that is, but you can Google it. Oh, yeah. And you can most likely find somebody online who could do it online, right? Because I know that sometimes I would listen to these podcasts where people would tell me all of these different things that I could do, and I'd be like, where do I find that person? Do I have to go in person? Do I have to go see this person over in Brazil.

Or.

Yeah. And it felt like such a big journey from where I was. But you did all this in your.

Bedroom?

Yeah. Like you would just go Google something or try to figure it out and try it. Yeah. And see what works. And you're like, oh, I'm gonna.

Try this for a.

While. And all of a sudden you're like, oh, I think that actually worked because I'm able to show up to that webinar. Or I actually posted that video. And that's the thing. Thing about self work is it's not some giant proof all at once. It's like, oh my God, I posted the video. I actually did.

It.

Yeah. And then when all the comments come rolling in, you're like, more self work.

Needed. That's really like, if you're online, you're on social media, that is one of the best ways to identify any of these limiting beliefs you have. It's actually a gift. Because when you get negative comments, right. If you get ones where you know deep down that it is absolutely not true. Like someone gave me this example once. If I'm like, Lori, you are a. A blue.

Frog.

Yeah. Would you be like, oh, she called me a blue.

Frog. Like, do people think I'm a blue.

Frog? You know, and like you're internalizing. Right. You know, you're not a blue frog. So then it's like, okay, have a nice day. You know, where if someone says something to you and it.

Hits.

Yeah. That's where it's like, okay, a little piece of me believes that this could be.

True. Believes that I'm not smart enough. Believes that I'm not pretty. Believes that I'm not. Yeah. That I'm a fraud. Believes that this was all just dumb.

Luck.

All. All of those.

Things.

Yes. Okay, so let's talk about that. Because you were talking about how you have had to just continue to go in energetically in order to expand your business. So really, whenever your business has grown, it's been because you have gone back and done more work. So tell me a little bit about that. Can you remember specific times when you've hit ceilings and gone back in and done certain work and your business has grown even.

More? Absolutely. And this is one of those things too that I feel like goes hand in hand with the entrepreneurial narrative where it's like, you know, got to work hard and do strategy and.

All. Strategy. Yeah, I find myself in that a lot too. And I'm like, okay, yeah, so tell me.

More. My. Yeah, my business is like 90% just me being in a flow state, 10% strategy. Like nobody really knows this about me, but I did not Truck a third thing in my business. And yes, I teach Excel and have a million spreadsheets for everything, but not for my business. I didn't track a thing for, like, the first year. People are like, how are you making all this money? Where are these leads coming from? I don't know. Like, I had intuitive thoughts. I'm like, it just comes through. And I would just get into this flow state and things would happen. And it kind of is a blessing and a curse doing it that way. Because one, like, it's. It. Yes, it is good to know your numbers. I did go on and make spreadsheets later, but it's one of those things where I was so open to all the possibilities of how I can make money that I literally. I would never know the how. And then these opportunities would come out of left field. So I wasn't being like, I have to have this much growth and make this by this day to have this linear growth, like, that's playing in the linear field. And I just never played in that field because I never entered the arena because I didn't have my numbers. So I just kind of went into it like money was flowing out of left field. Like, huge opportunities, like core. Every corporate deal I've had, every press opportunity I've had, like. Like, has fallen on my.

Lap. So you've never gone out for outreach, for pr, for any of that, for speaking gigs? You've never sent an.

Email?

No. You've never. This is why I wanted to have this.

Conversation. I was FSC this. Here we.

Are. Exactly. I'm like, oh, I reached out to you. I love that. Okay, so when you go back in and quote, unquote, like, do the work. This is just you every single day. Like, my brain immediately wants to go, okay, but did you put a goal in mind? What were. What were kind of like the words that you're using? How are you manifesting these bigger opportunities? Yeah, I want to know, like, verbatim, what are the things that you're kind of saying? What feelings are you holding when you're doing it? So tell me about what you've done in the last.

Week. Yeah, so manifest really is coming down to the thought process of I'm limitless. Because when you realize that you're limitless, the only thing you could possibly have as a limit is you holding yourself back. So as long as I'm staying out of my own way, like, I know the channels are open. I know anything can come through. And then it's a matter of, like, working with what you got. So, for example, I was in Sedona last week. There are tons of different PowerPoints on the planet that are energy vortexes. When you go into the energy vortexes, you can help those manifestations come through a lot quicker. I have, like, I should be, like, tracking all this in a notebook, but I have so many examples of, like, times where I sat on bellrock, which is an up, upward energy vortex. They measure it, scientists with devices. And it's an upward energy vortex where I would sit there and I was like, okay, I really want some more presses. Right when I was starting out, I was like, I really want Forbes. I want to be in Forbes. And I, like, planted the seed. I thought about it. And then a few weeks later, out of nowhere, a writer at Forbes named me one of the top social media influencers. And it blew. I was like, what? Like, he didn't even talk to me. Like, I didn't even know. Like, someone sent it to me, like. And I was like, what? What? Like, that's like the type of things where, like, when I get into, you know, energy vortexes or playing around with those PowerPoints on the planet, like, if you're in one or you're around one, that's something I always recommend, too. And there's some that go up, so, like, good for manifesting. There's others that go down. Like Hawaii, for example. Very good for inner work. But I was, like, crying every day when I lived in. I lived in Hawaii for a couple.

Months.

Okay. Yeah. So it's, It's. There's different parts of the planet that you can play around with too. And then if you're just, you know, sitting in your room, like I was starting out, I would just start playing with different tools and finding what you need that day. So some days you wake up and you're feeling mighty fine. That might be a day where you're like, okay, I'm just going to have a dance party. I'm going to get the energy moving through my body and I'm going to hop on the mic and here we go. And then you have other days where you're like, wake up with, like, dark thoughts and you're like, okay, what does my body need? And it really comes down to knowing yourself and knowing your body and your nervous system so that you can really go through. And now when it comes to manifesting money, this is where I like to do in particular nervous system work. Because your body and your nervous system will only bring in as much abundance as you can hold. And you can Tell if you're reaching a threshold. For me, at least my body's very responsive. So, like, for example, when I started, like, blowing up in the press that time, like, it was. Was millions of eyeballs. Like, millions. I could. I couldn't even read them. Like, it was millions of comments on all these articles. It was just. It was on tv. Like, I. I was literally like, okay, my hands are shaking. I was like. My eye. My right eye kept twitching. Like my nervous system was glitching.

Out. Because I feel like thinking about it right now. Yeah, I actually, like, just got chills down part of my.

Body. That's crazy. A lot on the nervous system. So that's where there are tons of different nervous system practices. There's so many. So many different things you could do to soothe a nervous system. From one, obviously, meditation. Kundalini Yoga has a bunch of different nervous system practices. I do breath work is huge for the nervous system. Even just a quick little thing is like, left nostril breathing. You block your right nostril when you're breathing through the left side. It is going into the right side of the brain is relaxing your body. So, like, just little things to kind of bring yourself into relaxation. There's teas. I. I went to herbalist about, like, nervous system teas. Like, there's just so many different things out there. So for me, like, I just kind of, like, latch on to whatever feels good in the moment. So for me, and like, my latest up levels, I did RRT the last, like, few days because I'm like, okay. Like, I feel there's different thought forms holding me back in place from really expanding my nervous.

System. And RRT was the one. Explain that one. And you do that with someone.

Right? Yes. So I did that with Dr. John Connolly. It's rapid resolution three therapy. I actually learned about it from Katherine Zinkina from Manifestation. She works with him. So that's a way to do it too, with, like, a hypnotic element as well. So I've also worked with, like, hypnotists where, you know, I can go through and reprogram different beliefs too. But the RRT really helped me work on, you know, being seen and showing up. And that's where I felt myself, like, getting to this next level. I was holding myself back a little bit. So I did a really big keynote last March. And I'm the type of person where, you know, I get all, like, high and mighty on myself and, like, I could do anything and I'll just commit myself to things that scare the shit out of me. And, like, totally. That's how I grow. And I know that's how I.

Grow. But then the window in between the commitment in the.

Thing.

Are. Are you, like. Is that, like, a nightmare time period for.

You? It's tough. So, like, I feel the nightmare setting in, and I'm like, all right, we got tools for this. So I try not to let myself, like, go into.

It. So what were you afraid of before that big.

Keynote? So I hadn't done anything in person in, like, years. I was doing everything behind a screen. And I got asked to be the keynote at Social Media Marketing World.

Conference.

Great. Yes. I was like, oh. And I said yes before I knew I was a keynote too. So it already felt scary to be a speaker. And then they're like, oh, yeah, so you're the.

Keynote. Oh, my.

God. And I was like, excuse me, I haven't given a keynote in your life. I didn't say that. I was like, okay. Like.

Okay. So you said yes to one of the, like, a huge.

Conference.

Huge. Where you would be looked at as the expert. Expert. You hadn't been in social media marketing, hadn't ever done a.

Keynote. I've been on social media for, like, two years at the time. And I get.

To. There's room for a lot of imposter syndrome.

There. Oh, my gosh. Because the best was I was like, okay. You know, they. They gave me the slot that was at, like, 5pm and I'm like, oh, gosh, I have to go all day. And I like, I'm like an extroverted introvert. Like, these conferences drain the hell out of me. And I was like, okay. Like, I'm not gonna go all day, but. But, you know, Mike Seltzer is giving the keynote. You know, the intro one. I'm gonna go. So I go to it, and he goes, raise your hand if you've been in social media for over five years. Whole room raise your hand, and you're the.

Keynote. So that's a razor.

Hand. It's been over 10 years. And everyone slows their hands up. And I'm like, mike, we're fucked. I was like, oh, my God. I'm supposed to get up here and tell these people how to do their job. And I was so much. It's, like, laughable now. It was so much imposters and jump. And I'm like, it's okay. We're fine. We're gonna do this. I go back to my hotel room. I'm, like, gathering myself, and it's pretty wild. So I'm friends with Grace Smith, and she's a celebrity hypnotist. She's awesome. And out of nowhere, she got the intuitive hit to just call me when talking weeks. And she's like, hey, like, my guys are telling me to call you. Like, freaking out, man. Makes sense. I'm about to be seen so hard, like, 0 to 100 here. And so she actually put me under and hypnotized me before it. And I. So I got up on stage, and it was crazy because, like, I was sitting in the audience. They didn't bring me up for, like, 40 minutes. So I'm sitting there mic'd up. I'm just waiting for them to announce me that that's the time where you can message behind. Yeah, yeah. That's the time where you could, like, freak yourself out. And then they call me up to the stage. I have JLO playing, which for a while, I couldn't even listen to the song get right by JLo. And so I like red jumpsuit on. I'm like, dance. I get up on the stage, I just start busting it down and, like, dancing. And I practiced this so many times, like, probably 40 times. And I'm like, you can't dance so hard that you get out of breath and you can't. That's the hardest.

Part. I dance and totally wrecked.

Myself. Yes. Yes. I'm like, cannot wreck myself. Must get up.

There. And now you're going to pass out. Great.

Job. Legit. Got this. We got this. And so I got up there, and it was. It was really crazy because it was also one of those moments where I don't think they realized how tall I was or this might actually happen every time. But the lights hit direct in my eyes. Like, it was like, one of those scenes where you see someone at, like, the spelling bee on tv and, like, they see the lights in their eyes and they can't see shit. Like, that was me up there. So I got up there. I literally can't see a damn thing. The show must go on. And luckily, I'd practiced so many times. My body's really good at going into autopilot. I crushed it. People said, like, I got off the stage after everyone said it, amazing. But for me, it was terrifying. It was hands down the scariest thing I'd ever done because I, for 45 minutes, had to, you know, like, I timed it to a T. It turned out perfectly. But it was one of those things where, like, afterwards, I was like, whoa. Like, the most insane vulnerability hangover ever. And Like, I had to go right to a speaker party after, so I'm, like, hopping on for bus. People don't get to hear how you did.

Really? Like, you're just like, yeah, you don't get to run.

Down. Yeah, I. I couldn't see it, couldn't watch it. So it was one of those things where, like, that was, like, something where I went from, like, 0 to 100 really.

Hard. That's like a 10x leap. So when you think about that, because I've had experiences like that where I'm like, I don't want to do that again. I don't want to go through that again. So what are you doing? Because I have a couple things.

Like that where I'm like, oh, I.

Don'T. I can do it. I'll. You know, I will do it again. I'm going to say yes. But I don't want it to be the same experience where I'm, like, scared, I'm frantic, my nervous system is freaking out. I want it to. I want to go in with ease. So, so help.

Me. Yes. So I did go through that period. For the next, like, few months, I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I was kind of in tears because I was like, why is this my destiny path? Like, I know that every cell in my body knows I'm meant to be on a stage.

Yes. So why am I.

Experiencing. Why is it, like, trauma? Yes. I literally wrote my kindergarten yearbook that I wanted to be a rock star. And my dream was to, like, be on a stage. And then with all the conditioning I had, I ended up, like, hiding my whole life. And I was like, why does the destiny path have to be so hard? And I, you know, I let myself grovel for a little bit. I gave myself a few months. We were living out in Laguna Beach. I was just, like, you know, going by the ocean, relaxing. And then I was like, all right, you know, this. We're not playing this hiding game. Like, this is not how we can help the most people on the planet. We gotta get out and talk to the people. So I was like, okay. Because it actually, too, was showing up on my digital events. So, like, I was running, like, webinars, like, you know, thousands of people.

Like, and you're starting to feel that way.

Too. And I would feel the. The feeling, the fear in my chest start to, like, bubble up because my body remembered what it felt like. So that's really where too, like, I do recommend with anything, like, an instant, like, trauma like, that. The somatic work's Been helping me a lot. Like, I was working all on the mind and I was like, wait, my body's. What's having this reaction, though, when you say somatic.

Work? For people who don't know what that is, what is somatic.

Work? Working on the body. So, for example, I go to the sky. I'm actually going tomorrow, where we do body work, where it's like a massage, but he also can, like, see and feel the energy and, like, move things.

Out. Where does one find someone like that if they're like, I'm in Wisconsin. Yeah, I'm going to go to massage.

Envy. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Where do we go? How do we find.

That? There's a lot of people online. So Jacob Massey is who I work with, and he actually has it, like, online, too, through Zoom. I do biofield tuning completely remotely too, which is where someone uses those tuning forks, okay. To tune your energy fields. I do that weekly and I do that completely remotely as well. So there's a lot of remote things you could do over Zoom, too. But then that's just like having a practitioner do work on you. You can also do it yourself. Okay. That's through breathwork and really getting through and feeling in your body. Another rabbit hole I just went down recently, too, was in the Ayurvedic system, where I was learning about my doshas at the Mirror of All. We were going to. I love the Mirror of All. And so I was learning about all the different, like, doshas, and I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm so vata. And that's the one that's air. So I'm like, not my body most of the time. So then when I go to do something on stage, my soul just, like, taps out and I'm just like, not in my.

Body. Oh.

Yeah. So I just got really into grounding and bought all these grounding mats because, you know, most of the time we're outside, we got shoes on, we're not grounding into the earth. So that's where I was like, okay, that might be where I personally am missing the mark because I have so much air in the body with my doshas, I'm like, I need to be grounding. So really grounding yoga, you know, all like, physical bicep working out. Like, I had stopped working out during that period because I was getting like, like, migraines and I was all tense. Got back with my trainer, Pilates, hot yoga. Like, I've been just, like, layering in dance class last night. Like, I've been just like, layering in all the different physical body stuff too, because that's a big part of manifesting more money. You need a strong physical body to be able to hold all of that, because there's a lot that's going to show up, like, for the nervous system, and your physical body needs to be able to hold it. And that was something I was missing, especially in 2023. So now 2024, like, I'm really going to through and working on the physical as.

Well. Okay. Wow, this is so exciting. I love it. What is something that you want to share with people who you feel like maybe they could just start small? Let's go for someone who's a beginner, and let's maybe see for somebody who's been doing this for a while, maybe give them something else as.

Well. Yeah. So, I mean, if you're a beginner, I would say start with something basic. Like, you know, you could start with headspace. A lot of people start there on, like, meditation apps. You know, if you're not trying to do some kind of, like, wild, intense meditation experience. I do recommend the retreats, too. Like, that's really how I got my feet.

Wet. I love retreats. Yeah. Because they hold you. It's a space where you can kind of just show up, not know, be nervous, let it be okay to be weird. And it totally.

Yeah. And like, the community and the people you meet, you know, you're the result of the people you surround yourself with. And if you're surrounding yourself with people who are on that same wavelength, who are vibrating at that same frequency, so are you. So that's really a big part of it, too, is like, finding a little accountability, buddy, is something I always recommend. Also, like, I started digging into all this, you know, subconscious reprogramming with my friends, and then my partner Mike did it too. Actually, we both went through it together, which was really awesome. And that's kind of, you know, what we do now, too, with, like, he comes on a lot of my retreats and things like that, and we just work through it together. And then if someone who's already, you know, more into this space, I would recommend really being open, because that was something where I was, like, kind of set in, like, the few things I was doing and they were working really well, but I wanted to grow and was kind of, like, holding myself back from trying other modalities. So if you are pretty in this space and you're like, well, you know, I'm a Kundalini Yoga practitioner, and that's what I do. Like, I would recommend still, like, kind of learning about other modalities and branching out, because you'll be surprised too. Like, I had been studying a lot of the Kundalini yoga and then I went to Dr. Joe's event and it connected so many dots for me and I was like, whoa. Like, this whole realm is connected. And it's a matter of, like, really figuring out what it takes for your mind to get that information in, connect those dots and apply it. I'm all about the application of these woo woo concepts. And that's the next thing I'm building with Ms. Optimize. I'm going through and building out here modalities and ways for people to really create, connect with this in a way that they haven't been before and how to apply it to your life. Because to a lot of people, a lot of the things I'm saying right now are probably so woo woo and so out there. And you're like, what, Kat? What are you doing? But, like, my goal is to try to, you know, fit these into a box or into a modality where people can actually learn these things and start applying it and, like, show results. Like, I'm a walking advertisement for working on yourself because I 1000% would not be here if I did not put in the time. And I was a very different person even when, like, Mike started dating me. We've been dating eight years now. I'm like, even when we first, like, met, like, I was a completely different human being than I am now. And so that's really where like, I want to show people you can change. You don't have to take things at face value.

Anymore. Well, I love your story because you are so linear as well. And you're taking these concepts that aren't. And to have someone like you who's creating something with Ms. Optimized, which I'm so excited about, it's honestly I'm sitting here going, I'm like your perfect customer. Because I get super overwhelmed quickly and I am so, like, I'm very much airy. I can just, I need someone to go, let's just try this and here's where you can do it. Because so many of us listening, we're so busy researching other things for our business as well. Even though you did tell us if we spent more time researching these other other things we know. But I'm gonna optimize my life by letting you optimize this for me. So that's amazing. Tell me what else? So Miss Optimize where can we go to find that? And who is that perfect for? Who is that a perfect fit.

For? So this is perfect for people who one are not really familiar with this space, but they think more is out there. Yeah. And my goal is to make this stuff really approachable because I have been dabbling in so many different things and I want to give you tidbit, like pieces like, okay, like if you do this, this will happen and break these concepts down. Because a lot of these things in the more woo space aren't even captured that well online. Like, if you're trying to Google things, a lot of these are like ancient teachings being passed down and things like that. And I'm all about learning the things. But my thing is like, how can we apply it? How can we make our day to day better? How can we use this to make us money? Like, that is the engine behind Mystics. Like it is its own entity. It's its own energetic entity. And I'm just feeding it and I'm just doing all the different things so my nervous system can hold what she brings. And it's a matter of understanding the business. Yes. You need to know how your business works or, you know, even if it's in your day to day. Like if you're at a corporate job right now. I use these techniques at my corporate job. So I would manifest and get on the jobs that I wanted to be on and not the ones I didn't because I would travel every week and I would just, you know, I'd get something on my calendar and I, I'm like, I don't want to go to Kentucky. And I would just sit there and like be like, nope, I'm at Lake George that week. I'm at Lake George that week. And I would go in and like visualize it, see it. You know, I have so many different examples of things that I've done and I'm like, whoa, people need to know this. And like, Ms. Excel, like, I feel like is just this walking advertisement for how well this stuff works. And we're just getting started. Yeah. Like, we're about to scale so hard this year. And like, this is one of those things where I'm like, I want these people to have the tools because a lot of it's just kind of in my head or it comes out on podcasts. I was like, damn, like, people don't know like this about me. And like, that's like, that's probably how I didn't meet you at first. I'm like, she probably Thinks I'm just this Excel girl, you know, Excel now. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm so more multidimensional than I portray online because I kind of keep myself in this Excel box. And I had this revelation where at first I was going to do the whole, like, personal brand route, and then I was like, wait, this is a brand within itself. Like, I'm going to be giving tips on how to optimize, and a lot of it will be through energetics and the more woo woo concepts, but also just, like, travel tips. Like, things like, like tips for, like, not as much tech tips because more that falls under the Mystic Cell umbrella. But, like, there's so many things I know too from like, other aspects of just, like, optimizing my life, like scheduling, building things out. Like, I just want people to be more optimized in their day to.

Day. Okay, so we're going to put that in the show notes. You can go to Miss Optimize. You guys can just click down there and find all of her goodies. And she held back on some of the best content because it's going to be in the bonus portion of this. And all you have to do is go into show notes and click the bonus content. And you are going to teach us.

What? I'm going to teach you how to leverage Energetics to better manage your.

Calendar. Okay. Hell yes. I need this. All right. I'm so grateful for you. Thank you so much for coming on and just sharing the whole story. I know there's a lot there and I know that this is all also kind of one of the. You know, this is your initial entry into Ms. Optimize from Ms. Excel, which is so exciting. But I just wanted to say thank you so much for coming on and sharing that with me because this is a place that I'm at in my life, so I'm going to take.

A few of those.

Things. And is there anything else that you want to share with the.

Listeners? I would say just one other piece with the listeners is the. Hands down, one of the biggest things that helped me move so quickly is take messy action. Nothing needs to be perfect. Try. Do.

It. Try. You heard it here. You heard it here first, guys. Just try. You changed.

Nike. Nike's parting words. Just try. Actually, it's really.

Cute. All right, you guys, we're so grateful for you. And until next time, earn your happy. Bye.

Everyone.