Navigating Between your Conditioning and Wisdom in Life with Alyson Haines

Welcome to the Clarity Corner, where you'll discover how to unlock and express the most authentic version of you and realize that this is exactly what you were looking for the entire time. I'm your host and your coach, Megan Siemens. Now let's make some magic happen. Hello, my friends. Welcome back to the show. We have a super, super fun episode today and she's the lengthy one. So I want to tell you a little bit about it and why you definitely want to tune in. Make some space for this episode. There are so many light bulbs and moments of wisdom and takeaways and tangible action steps in here. It is such a good conversation. So our episode today is an exploration and into the human design centers. So the centers in your human design are the shapes that you see and when you pull your human design chart, and if you haven't done that already, I will link up in the show notes where you can pull up your human design for free. You'll see shapes and some of them are white and some of them are colored in. And it doesn't matter what color they are, but you're just going to notice that some shapes are white and some shapes are colored in. If you are a reflector, then all of the shapes will be white in your design. It is possible to have all nine centers defined as well. What the centers show us is how our energy flows in our body with the least amount of resistance and the difference between the two. So the colored in versus not colored in is going to be what it's called, your defined centers and your undefined centers. So your defined centers are the centers that we are colored in. And these are energies that are more consistent, more reliable within you. They're going to generally feel like, oh yeah, I know that energy. You might have find that you have a very fixed way of navigating that energy. And it is energy that impacts the world around you. You might find that often people speak speak to this specific kind of energy. So a very tangible example of that is I have my throat center defined. And when I launched this podcast, the amount of feedback I got on my voice, just the sound of my voice, is an example of what it means for your that type of energy having an impact on the people around you. I like to think of our defined centers as our transmitters. It's where we pour our energy out into the world and impact us others. Our undefined centers. These are going to be centers that are white in our design are spaces where you are the most sensitive and receptive to energy from the world around you. You might also find that you often magnify or amplify this energy. So an example of this is if you have an undefined emotional center, which we're going to talk about in our episode today, you might find that you very easily magnify the emotions that are happening around you. So if someone else is de deep in anger and you're around it, you're around it, you're around it, it's bubbling up, bubbling up, bubbling up. You might find that you then amplify, magnify that out at an even bigger rate. This also is a space where your energy might feel a little inconsistent. It might ebb and flow depending on where you are, who you're around, all kinds of different factors. And these are spaces that might feel very challenging, but are also spaces for so much wisdom. And so they're spaces where you might see a qualities or dark qualities, if you will, spaces that you might find you have to release a lot of conditioning. So ways you were taught to show up in the world. And there are also spaces for so much wisdom. Your undefined centers are such gifts. And the way that you can express yourself through these centers are truly supportive tools in your human design, which is what we hear in today's episode. So in today's episode, I have a guest with us. Her name is Allison Haynes. Allison is a life coach, certified breath work and reiki practitioner, and the host of the but what if you did podcast, which I have been a guest on three times now. Allison brings together soul led coaching, breath work and Reiki to curate unique somatic experiences from the spiritually curious and spiritually skeptical communities. I'm so excited for this conversation with Allison. This all started from a curiosity in the latest episode that I recorded with her on her podcast all around our human design centers. And she had expressed that she had curiosity around her undefined centers. And I said, after we hit record, what if we hopped on over on my show on this podcast here that you're listening to and we had an exploration through those centers. I find one, that you could maybe find some of the clarity, get curious on some of the spaces you're looking for. And two, it could really serve all of you amazing people listening to hear how wisdom can be expressed through the undefined centers. And Allison walks us through, through so many incredible journeys and inquiries and leave so many practical tips along the way of how you can work with these centers, even if you don't really know what that means, even if you're brand new to all of this, if you've Never pulled your human design chart. She gives so many tangible ways that you can tune into this energy. This very intangible feeling concept becomes very tangible in this episode. And gosh, there are just so many gems, so many takeaways, and so many moments where I felt seen. I feel like you will feel seen. So many permission slips for you to take and walk with. I'm just so excited for this episode. So buckle up cozy on in, maybe grab a notebook, grab your human design chart so that you can see see how you relate to the centers that we move through. We are specifically going to be talking about the head center, the identity center, the ego or sometimes known heart center as heart center, and the solar plexus center, which are is our emotional center. So these are the centers we're going to dive through. I do try to give you a an auditory walkthrough of where the centers are on your chart throughout the episode. I'm going to do that very quickly here before we dive in. So if you are looking at your chart, here is what you're looking at when it comes to your centers. So the very top triangle is your head center. The upside down triangle. Underneath that is your ajna or third eye center. Underneath that is a square, which is your throat center. Underneath that is a diamond, which is your identity or sometimes called G center, which we will talk about in today's episode. If you go journey to the right of that to where there's a small triangle that is your ego or heart center, which we're going to talk about. To the right of that is a another triangle on its side, the point is facing inward. That is your solar plexus or emotional center, which we are going to talk about today. Then if we go back in and we find the second to the bottom square, that is our sacral center. On the left of that, the other triangle pointing inwards and is your splenic center. And then our very bottom square is the root center. So hopefully you followed along on that auditory exploration of your centers so you can see which one of yours are defined and undefined. And I find that in this conversation, even if these are centers that you don't share with Allison, there are just so many incredible takeaways to be had from this space. So I really hope that you enjoy this exploration, get a little curious with yourself and what conditioning you're ready to release. And if you do love this conversation and you want me to deep dive into the other centers or a different type of chart, I would love to hear from you. You can send me a note over on Instagram eganseemmons or over to the email world infoegansemens.com and let me know so I can create some more centers content. And if by the end of the episode, you are so captivated and want to follow Alison's journey even more, which I know you're just, you're not going to be able to help yourself after this. After all of the magic that she shares, you're definitely want to gonna want to keep following along. All of that will be linked up in the show notes as well. So do go find Allison, let her know you found her from this episode and continue loving the journey with her. Okay, further ado, I'm going to pass the mic over to this amazing conversation. Enjoy, my friend. Hello, Allison. Welcome to the show. I'm so excited for this conversation.

Oh, thank you so much for having me. I am also so excited. I feel like ever since we decided we were going to record this, I've been like, anxiously anticipating this conversation.

I love to hear that. So we were talking about centers, unintentionally talking about human design centers on your podcast. I can't even remember how we ended up there, but on my most recent podcast episode on Allison show, we started talking about centers and she brought up her curiosity in the undefined center specifically, which led us to, well, let's have a whole deep dive into it and I'll link up that episode in the show notes.

Of course.

Course. And I'm just so excited to hear what inquiries come through and also just what wisdom can come through from your open centers, because that is one of the gifts when we're considering your open centers and your design. So buckle up. Who knows where we're gonna go with this?

So excited.

So just a little bit of insight on Alison's chart. We are going to be exploring the head center, which she has completely open, no gates. The identity center, sometimes called G center, which is undefined. The ego center, also completely open. And the solar plexus or emotional center, also completely open, no gates. And I'm calling that out for you to know as well. The head ego and emotional solar plexus center are completely open with no gates, which might just mean they feel extra sensitive.

You know, you're already touching on things I've been curious about because I feel like when we first did a human design reading, I mean, I guess for the listeners, that was probably, what, like, three years ago at this point? Like, it was a while ago. I was so early in my own personal growth journey that I didn't like. We talked about gates, we talked about channels, but I didn't really make the connection to like what they were or how to use them. And I feel like I've been going back and looking at them them more lately. And I did notice that those didn't connect to anything. And I wondered if that meant something.

Yeah, I mean, it just means that they might be a little more sensitive because they don't. They aren't looking for that kind of connection point. And so I like to think of it as spaces. You have a lot of wisdom to come in. That might also mean a lot of lessons.

And so it probably does.

Well, we'll start at the top. We'll start at the head center. So if you all are looking at your charts as we're going along, that's the very top triangle on your chart. And about 70% of their people of people have their head center undefined or open. So actually a fairly high amount of the population. And we were talking before we hit record that one of your curiosities was why do some people have defined, some people have undefined. And I think it's just interesting to hear like those percentages as well, to kind of realize who we're maybe encountering day to day. Right, yeah, for sure. So our, our head center is all about inspiration. It's about ideas, it's about logic, it's about analysis. And when our head center is undefined, we are open to inspiration and ideas coming from people and environments all around us.

But if it's defined, that means that you have like a set way of ideas coming to you.

Yeah, it's more of a fixed way of the ideas, the inspiration coming in. And look, there definitely can be conditioning when you have a defined center. It's just when it's open or undefined, it's maybe like a little more sensitive for conditioning or what. What's coming through. It might be a little more sensitive in your space.

Yeah. As we were. As you were just giving that statistic. I have a bunch of different. I use the My Human design app through Jen and Zoe, and I have a bunch of different people's like, charts saved in there. And I was like, wow, that's a fascinating statistic. I have to look and all of my two out of my three baby nephews actually have a defined.

Oh, interesting. All in one household.

Yeah, two out of three. And one of them's a projector and one of them's a generator. And his chart is almost identical to mine, but in A lot of the big ways. It's really interesting.

Yeah. I love that you have your family's charts pulled up. And I know we've looked at yours and your now husband's chart together as well, which is just such a great dynamic to be aware of, and especially when it comes to centers, and especially the people that are directly in our household, because we can really look at how we are receiving and then maybe amplifying out energy from those undefined centers in our own. Do you know, does your husband have a undefined headspace?

He has an undefined. Yeah, he's like me there.

Yeah. Okay, cool. I think we might maybe touch on one of the centers at some point today that he has defined, and that could be a cool lesson for everyone listening. So as far as the headspace, when you're in the shadow side of things, living in conditioning, it might look like inspiration, feeling much more like pressure. You might feel easily lost in what's meaningful for you. Lots of searching externally for answers and ultimately try to solve a lot of problems that aren't yours. Versus Is that familiar to you?

I resonate with a lot of that. I feel like I've moved through some of that, but yes, I definitely resonate with that.

Yeah. And I think that's like. Like an important reminder to even double tap on with our. Our undefined centers. Like they're meant to be continuous lessons. Good times.

Yeah, I think it feels that way sometimes. I. You know, if your listeners are familiar with the different profiles. Like, I'm a 6:2, and so I do feel like my first 30 years, like I was constantly seeking.

Yeah.

Anybody outside of myself to tell me what to do or like, what I was passionate about, what I should want, who I should want to be, like, the answers to everything. And I think in a lot of ways, if you look at my career path, I worked a lot in incident resolution, incident management. I was constantly seeking problems that were not mine to solve.

Yeah. That's really interesting to hear because you've recently made a huge career transition.

Yes.

Do you want to tell people about that?

So I recently left my corporate job and I. To go full time as an entrepreneur. And. And it wasn't the most calculated move, but it was the right move at the right time. But this is something that I've been telling Megan. I've wanted to make this leap for going on over three years. And I believe even the. You were the first one to kind of give me the language around needing a bridge job. Like, maybe it isn't the time to just leap. Maybe you need something to carry you in the interim. And that was where I found where I made the jump from the entertainment industry, where I had spent 15 years into working in tech, where I spent a couple of years. And that was kind of like in the entertainment industry. Like, that was a lot of what I did was solve problems. It was a lot of like, quick on your feet solving problems. And so I just got really good at that. I don't even think that ever made me happy. I just think it was naturally what people gave me praise around and what people would thank me for doing. And so I allowed myself to fall into that trap of like, oh, this is how I'm valued, right? This is how I'm receiving love and affection and praise and feeling successful, even though that never really felt successful to me. Which left this ultimately this pit in my stomach of like, who am I and what am I doing and what do I even want out of life? Like, I couldn't answer that for myself as a result of that.

That is incredible. I have like goosebumps as you're talking through it, even of just this, how this can play out in such a big picture, zoomed out way versus like just in the day to day pressure of things. And I can imagine with the two in your profile, which is so much about knowing things just because you know them, because you know them, not having to explain, not having to back up everything with the facts. I can imagine if you're living in the shadow or conditioning of the head center, that creates a little friction.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So on the contrast, the wisdom of the open head space is being focused. It's exploring the mysteries of life, exploring the intellectual possibilities of life, and just being this excellent reflector of what other people are thinking. And you kind of have this gift in naturally helping people discern value. The lesson is to continue to open up to the beauty and depth of the unknown. I think a great reminder for someone with the open headspace is that not every idea is worth pursuing and you can actually just enjoy inspiration or to your point, enjoy the questions that people are presenting you, the problems that people are asking you to solve. Solve. You can just enjoy them being here and not actually have to solve them. How does that land for you?

Yeah, I think as you were sharing that, it felt like it was almost like up until the last couple of months and then flipping over the page, like, you know, I went through the same life coach training program that you went through originally and I did that what, like back in 2022, I guess at this point, and I started to dabble in the coaching space, and I almost feel like I was having this. The friction that you were discussing of, like, trying to stay in the corporate space and solve all these problems for everyone else but myself, but also being frustrated with myself, which, for the listeners, is my not self theme as well. Coming through strong, I was feeling frustrated that I couldn't do the things I wanted to do, because where I was seeing value was in that being a coach, being a mentor, sharing perspective and wisdom and helping people to discern. And, you know, I think when I switched to tech, like, I was able to bring more of that because I had awareness to it, and I knew it was a gift, and I knew how it played into my design. I was able to leverage that more as a. As a leader. Like, I was able to take a team of people and help them to see things about themselves and to feel empowered in who they were through using my gifts. But I. I knew that as a result of, like, the work I was doing behind the scenes. But it. I don't feel like I really stepped into that and, like, really felt that until the last couple of months when I really made that big leap and fully let myself embody my design in a new way.

Yeah. I'm curious if you have any. I'm gonna give some practical tools for each undefined center that we dive into today, but I'm curious if you have any practical tools that have kind of helped you in these different themes we've been talking about today that have helped you kind of release some of the pressure, that have helped you enjoy the ride of the unknown and the mysteries?

I don't know if it. I mean, I guess in some ways, yeah, I've learned to use things like human design and astrology and to find coaches that are not. Not what I would consider to be your. Your, like, standard life coach, that are, like, help you work on a goal, work through the goal. Like, people that, like, understand somatics and want you to work with the body and are like, I feel like learning to find those resources for myself. And every time I feel like I'm off track, taking a moment to pause and go back to those tools and. And really look at, like, do I have something here that's coming through that I need to think about differently? And just, like, having those moments of pause, because I feel like I didn't really take a lot of pause. I think our society is very. Go, go, go. We were, especially as millennials, like, we were constantly Pat on the back for doing more, more, more, more, more. That when we find ourselves in these moments where it, like, feels like crazy and overwhelming and off track and whatever, like, we want to minimize that and we don't want to deal with it. And I think, like, just forcing myself to sit with it has been one of the biggest catalysts for growth for myself, personally.

Yeah. I love that. I. I always love hearing your refreshing takes on doing because Allison's a generator for everyone listening. And there's something so refreshing hearing your generator self talk about how you approach doing, because there is so much breath and pause in it. And. And I feel like the balance of your sacral being defined and your headspace being opened is something that really supports that.

Ooh, interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you hit the nail on the head. Like, the power of the pause is one of the best tools you can give yourself if you do have that undefined headspace. Some. Another tool I often give people with the undefined headspace is creating simple lists, prioritizing things that can just help keep you on track. Is that something you do?

No.

Totally fine.

I was like. I feel like. I was gonna say, like, I feel like I used to do that when I was in the really. More like, unhealthy side of the shadow side. I think as I kind of started to find my own in a lot of ways, in a lot of different. Like, I realized, like, oh, just because everyone else is making a list doesn't mean I have to. Because going back to the two. I know what I know what I know.

Yeah.

I just remember a lot of random things, and, like, I don't need it written down to remember to do it, but I might have a list of, like, 75 things in my head that I'm like, oh, I gotta do this, and then I gotta move. Whatever.

Yeah.

That doesn't make sense to literally anybody else.

Yeah.

But I just know.

Yeah.

What I need to do.

Yeah. I love that. I think you touched on something important in that is it can be a great tool if you're feeling overwhelmed. And as someone. I also have an open head center as well. And as someone with an open head center, I will never underestimate the power of a brain dump. If I'm feeling overwhelmed, just getting everything out of my head and onto paper can just be such a supportive tool. I. It's one of my favorite exercises that I go back to again and again. So I love. I love how you're bringing so many different elements of your design into play and how these different elements of your design can actually support your centers, which I think is so important because this is kind of a deeper layer of design. So if you're brand new to human design and you're listening and you're like, where do I even begin? Like, I think it's important to. To learn your foundations first. So to learn what it is to be a generator, to learn what it is to live with your authority, to learn what it is to live with your profile. And those can actually just really support these spaces in so many ways.

Yeah, and that's totally where I started. Like, I feel like when we did our first reading, like, I was scratching the surface, like, totally. I knew I was a generator. I knew my profile, but, like, I didn't really understand what any of that meant. And I think it's only been through the, like, honestly starting to work in the energetic realm myself and, like, really put a focus on understanding more of this, that it's, like, started to make sense now. And now I see, like, how much insane wisdom is buried in your chart and how that can, like, so support you and make you feel less crazy about things in your life.

Yeah, I love that. All right, Head center has loved having the microphone for now. Let's move a little. A little further down in the charts. Going into the body a bit. We'll go to the identity center next, also sometimes called the G center. In human design, you have this one undefined, and about 43% of people have their identity center undefined or open. If you're looking at your chart when you're listening, this is that middle, like, a diamond shape in your chart. And this center is all about sense of self. It is about purpose. It is about love. It's kind of like our internal compass. And when undefined, we're designed to wear many different hats and express ourselves in many different ways over the course of our lives. So there's kind of this fluidity with the undefined identity center. You're already smiling. How does this center feel in general? Before we go into the shadow or wisdom?

I think where my curiosity went with that one was kind of focused around, like you said, like, wearing a lot of hats and communicating in different ways. And I feel like I've gone through seasons where using my voice is the most impactful way for me to communicate. I've gone through seasons where writing is really the way that I best communicate with people. I also have noticed that, like, depending on the situation, I have to communicate in different ways and. And shift the way that I'm interacting or the way that I feel most powerful in how I share my voice.

Yeah.

So I'm just curious how that plays into, like, the shadow and versus Because I don't feel like that's something I paid a lot of attention to until recently, especially as I shifted into, like, owning my own business. I think a big part of owning your own business is finding your own voice and realizing how I draw people in and the ways in which I draw people in and the ways in which I connect with people. And I feel like there are a lot of hats, and I'm still figuring out what that looks like. So I'm curious to see what some of, like, the power side of it in addition to the shadow side, because I think we'll probably see an evolution there too.

Yeah. Do you find yourself often putting pressure to find, like, one way?

I think especially as I, like, started to really have to, like, step into this Persona as a business owner, I found myself feeling pressured to, like, stick with the platforms or the one way that, like, other people said were working and then being like, allison, that doesn't work for you. Like, you just go do your own thing and you'll be fine. But, like, Instagram is a great selling tool for a lot of people. Instagram is not actually the best. Like, I. I enjoy Instagram. I have a lot of fun on Instagram, but I don't make sales through Instagram.

Yeah.

I make sales through connection and referrals, a lot of which come from using my voice on the podcast. So I. I think it. I've had to, like, stop trying to do things the way that I see people say you should and turn more to that, like, sacral. Yes.

No.

Is this for me? Is this not for me? Kind of to help discern that.

Yeah. This is such an interesting concept to think of as well, because with your Undefined Identity center, the spaces and environments you're in are so important, and that includes digital spaces and environments, which we live in a digital world now. Lots of online business owners listening to this podcast. And so paying attention to your physical spaces. Yes. And paying attention to your digital spaces as well. And not making yourself fit in the box of. Well, this is where everyone's showing up, so I must have to do that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the shadow for the Undefined Identity center is searching and living in conditioning for this center. It's most vulnerable to conditioning in relationships. Kind of trying to borrow an identity of someone else so, you know, this person's doing it this way. I'm going to just like, copy and paste. Trying to give yourself a sense of security. Like I said, very sensitive to environments. This is because you're amplifying life around you. You're amplifying energy around you. Um, and it can. If you're living in the shadow, it can have this obsession of finishing the sentence I am blank, or like, adding letters to your name or adding more education to show, like, this is the direction I'm going in. I'm doing the things I am. This and also the shadow can kind of force you into using your mind to find your identity. So spiraling over what, like, trying to figure it all out up here versus just expressing it. How does the shadow side land for you?

Yeah, I think what's interesting there is something that I started asking on my podcast probably a handful of months back at this point was describe yourself without using the qualifiers like coach, brother, aunt, that. Like, and I became, like, fascinated with that question because I couldn't answer it for a while. And I feel like I'm only more like, I'm, like, I'm. I'm a spiritual healer. Like, that's like an all encompassing kind of term that I, like, I feel like, embodies a lot of what I do. But I think for a while it was like, I'm a runner. Am I really a runner? No. Did I run seven half marathons? Yes, because other people were doing it and I felt like if I was going to have. If I wanted to hang out with those people. I also had to run seven half marathons. Like, I just was like. I mean, you and I have talked extensively about this whole concept of, like, putting myself in a box. And, like, nothing frustrates me more than feeling like someone is putting me in a box. But I think now I'm seeing the evolution of, like, maybe that's why that question became so prominent to me. And I think a lot of the work that I'm doing is, like, with people is how do you take your, like, what you feel on the inside and match it to how you perceive yourself on the outside? Because I think we can all tell ourselves stories of what we look like from the outside, and we can find clothing that we look confident in and we feel confident in. And people think we're so confident in our lives and on the inside, we've shoved all our emotions down. We're not handling things, we're not dealing with stuff. And so I think a lot of what I've kind of set out on a mission to do is to, like, help People pull themselves out of those boxes and say, you don't need a label to define you. You don't have to niche down. You don't have to. Like, you can do things your way and be valued for who you are. But I think a lot of that actually comes through my undefined G center, where it was like, I had to go on a journey with that 100%.

I don't even need to explain the wisdom side. You all just need to listen to everything Allison just said. And that is the wisdom side of. Of the undefined G center. It is. There is no better guide to supporting someone to find their identity, to supporting someone to find their authentic identity than someone with an undefined G center. And you're doing that in so many ways.

So this is one in particular that I am curious about. The. The correlation between somebody that has an A defined versus an undefined. Because my husband's is defined.

Yeah.

And this is one that I know. When we even talked on my podcast a few weeks ago, like, this is one that I was like, I don't know why. I feel like I need to know more about this one and the correlation between the two.

Yeah. I mean, I would say with your husband's being defined, that very first thing I was talking about in the shadow. One of the most sensitive spaces that we are vulnerable to conditioning is in relationships, especially close relationships. So just noticing, like, am I trying to borrow identity? Am I trying to keep up in whatever way that means Maybe that doesn't look like the traditional. Like, am I trying to keep up by, like, doing, doing, doing. But am I trying to keep up by, you know, checking off boxes of success? Am I trying to keep up by whatever it is? I would just get curious with that and just notice, like, am I trying to borrow any elements of ident. This relationship? And is that giving me this sense of security?

I was going to say security and stability. That's what I try to borrow.

Yeah.

100%.

Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like you have a opportunity to take a taste of your own medicine.

Yeah.

And lean into that same question that you're asking all your podcasts.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because.

Yeah, yeah. I. I think that's just really interesting how that kind of reflected out. And. And when that started to come into play with me was when I started, like. I feel like I started to really ask that question when I started working with a spiritual coach. And for the listeners, I wasn't looking for a spiritual coach. Like, I found a Reiki practitioner that I enjoyed doing sessions with and she was offering coaching, and I felt like I had to work with her, but I feel like a lot of that, like, questioning and, like, just kind of getting back to, like, who am I came from my time working with someone who works with somatics in the body and starting to reconnect in with my inner essence as opposed to looking external for everything.

Yeah, yeah. Do you feel like you give yourself permission to continue answering that question throughout all of life and not actually landing on one answer?

Yeah, I feel like. I feel like I see it shift a lot right now because I think anytime I ask a podcast guest that I kind of go back to it for myself. Of, like, do I. Does that still feel true? Does that still feel aligned? You know, I even. I was listening to someone else's podcast and they kind of asked a similar question, and the girl was like, I'm a starseed. And I'm like, at that point, I didn't even know what that term like meant. And it's just, like, it's so fascinating to me the different ways that people are able to, like, describe what they, as a human, are trying to embody or feel embodied in.

Yeah, well, I'm so curious now, and I feel like everyone else is probably curious now. What's one way you would answer that question today?

You know, I think, gosh, I'm like, I wrote this down earlier. I feel like I. I'm an energetic thought leader is like, what came forward for me today, and that may not be true a week from now, but I feel like as I've started to really get clear on, like, what is my brand, what am I offering? I feel like I'm in the, like, establish myself and build credibility phase. I think I feel like that's been kind of shifting. And at first it was a healer, and then it was more about embodiment, and now it's kind of. But I think, like, what it is is, like, I feel like I'm a thought leader that's here to, like, help people shift their perspectives around energetics and to, like, not only look be. Not only want to feel confident from the outside, but I want them to feel what it feels, to feel energetically confident on the inside.

I love that so much. Energetically confident on the inside feels so potent and powerful, and I want to double tap, double click, expand. What you said a moment ago is that might not be true a month from now. That is the gift of the undefined identity center right there to be able to say, this is who I am, and I'M actually just so unattached from it at the same time.

Yeah, I love it.

A few practical tools for those of you listening who are like, this is cool, but, like, what do I do if I'm feeling like I'm in those patterns of shadow? If I'm feeling like I'm in those patterns of conditioning, I'll share a few. And then if you have any to add, I'd love to hear it as well. Take inventory of your spaces. Spaces that feel good are so important for those of you with the undefined identity center. So refresh your spaces. Often that can mean your room like a good reorganize. Don't underestimate the power of that. It's one of my favorite tools for clarity. Reorganize your entire house if you need to. But also it could be a more zoomed out action around that as well. If something feels stale in your environment, if something feels stale about the places and spaces you're in, that matters. And so getting yourself into new spaces, if you're feeling a little stuck going to work in a new environment and taking all of the medicine and advice that Allison just beautifully voiced for us all, letting go of niching or sticking to one single singular direction and just letting life be like a bit of a buffet.

Yeah.

Is there anything you'd add?

Yeah, I don't know. The thing that came up for me when you were talking about spaces is like, I do feel like I shift based on the space that I'm in. So like, if I go to a restaurant.

Yeah.

That feels darker and the colors are damp and this. And like the energy feels damp. Like I don't feel like I digest my food well. So like, I feel like I. I can't go to certain spaces or places because they don't feel.

Yeah.

Good to me. They don't feel creative and inspiring and exciting and. And I like, it's to the point now where like, we'll walk into a space and my husband will be like, oh, you're not going to like this place, or you're not, whatever. And it's. I think I. I'm just curious at how that plays into that because I feel like I am so particular about that. And like I have said before, like, hey, I need to go work from a coffee shop today, or, hey, this coffee shop isn't doing it for me anymore. I gotta go find a new one and explore something different. Spaces and energetic spaces do feel really important to me. And I actually think that's something we talked about a Few years ago when we did my first reading too.

I think so. I think you're right. I also just wanna highlight how powerful it is that your husband can notice when a space is off for you. That is the defined and undef find identity center working in collaboration together. The fact that he can notice that and give permission for you to reset and you have your autonomy to decide if you want to reset or not, it doesn't mean that every time you choose, like, yeah, we're leaving immediately, but it means that you have the space to be able to decide. And that is the two centers working together in beautiful collaboration.

Yeah, yeah. And I think a lot of times it's like, okay, we'll stay this one time, but we know in the future this isn't the right space for me.

I love that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was my very first human design textbook that I was reading about. The Undefined Identity Center. That said, it can be as simple as walking into a restaurant and going, oh, I don't want to eat here. And immediately just walking out the door.

We have done that before, quite literally. Like, we've walked in somewhere and been like, this isn't it. We must go somewhere else.

Yeah. I love it.

I just think it's a really, like, practical way for, like, people to see, like, how it shows up in real life.

Yeah, totally, totally. I love the idea of, like, how can I put it into practice in the micro action? And then that gives you space to put it into play and the macro action. So when it comes time for you to decide, you know, something like, is it time for me to move houses? Is it time for me to move states? You know, that you actually probably are going to feel better if you can physically get into the spaces, not a virtual tour. If you can physically go to the new state and try it on, see how it feels. Alison, you actually recently moved States.

I was like, oh, my gosh, this is, like, totally real in life right now, too. Yeah. I mean, we ended up moving back home closer to where I grew up. I mean, right now, right now, we're literally where I grew up. We're staying with my parents currently while we're house hunting. And I think an interesting tidbit about that, which is totally this undefined versus defined, is like, we can go into houses and, like, my husband can see all the potential in the world and how we can recreate this space. So it feels good to me. And I can't. I can see and hold the vision in so many areas of life.

Yeah.

And like right now, like my business, I can see the long term vision and how it's coming. Even though I've only had two paying clients so far, my husband can't see that yet.

Yeah.

I can't go into a house and be like, how do we make this work for us? And how do I fall in love with this space when it's from the 1950s and hasn't been updated since then? Like, my brain can't do it. But I trust that he can see the vision and that, like, if it's the right house with the right bones, like, he will be able to help transform it into something that feels good and aligned to me, but I can't. I can't see that for myself. Yeah, I think that's probably a good example of how.

Yeah.

But even picking a state to live in, like we. That we both kind of sat in this place of, he was like, what about this state? What about this state? And like, I don't have a reference point to those exact towns and spaces and areas and the coffee shops there and the restaurants there and whatever. And so I can't just like, yeah, let's try that one. Like, my brain just doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't feel right to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all right, last thing I'm going to touch on, on the identity center and then we're going to move to the ego center next. But this reminds me of what you were talking about earlier. And again, how do these defined and undefined centers in a relationship work together? And that's where that sense of security could trip you up if you have an undefined center. If the defined center is like, let's move to Nevada and they can like feel it and they can like paint the vision for you, and you're not feeling it, but you're like, all right, well, I feel super secure because they feel super secure. That's where that sense of false security can come in, where you're just like, okay, I'm on board. Because you're on board, but you don't have the rest of your body on board with it, actually.

Yeah, okay, that's so interesting.

Yeah, I'm sure there's like so many other examples you could think about, but I love that tangible example when it comes to like moving. Moving spaces, moving states, something big like that. And I'm sure there's so many micro examples that you could kind of. Yeah, I just feel like that plays out.

I have so many conversations about so much of this and like, now I see where the dynamic felt like totally. Where the friction would come into the dynamic and like, where we would have a hard time almost communicating the differences because, like, why can't you see this? And I'm like, yeah, how can you see this?

Yes. Yeah. And like approaching those questions with fun even. Why can't you see this? Oh, how can't you see this? Like, even approaching that with fun. Yeah. Yeah. I love it.

And these are ways I find myself going back to the human design charts and looking at them to see, like, are there things that are different? Oh, that makes sense.

Totally. Yeah. I love it so much. Okay, we're gonna move to ego center or heart center. Bring it. I love it. That's such a good energy for this center too. So for our ego center, about 63% of the population have theirs undefined or open. So we're covering some great centers today with some higher percentages where a lot of the listeners can probably relate to a lot of the stuff we were talking about. And the ego center, heart, or sometimes called heart center, is the like little triangle kind of in the middle of the diamond and the triangle on the right. That is how we are going to auditorily describe it was a good description.

I followed.

Perfect. It's like the little baby triangle on your chart.

Baby triangle, yes.

And so this center really governs our willpower, our motivation, and also our self esteem and self worth. So undefined. If you have the center undefined, you might find that you have kind of this oscillating sense of self worth that kind of has ups and downs, highs and lows. And same with motivation. You might feel like there's times where you're like super, super motivated, ready to go. And sometimes where you're like, all of the motivation is completely down to zero. It is completely gone. Allison is like pointing to herself.

I'm like, oh my gosh, that is totally me. I do like, I go through phases right now where like there are days where I get up and I'm like, I have zero motivation to touch anything in my business.

Yep.

If I have a client call, like, I'll get on the call with them. But like, besides that, like, I have no desire to do anything. And then there are other days where I feel like I can bang out a week's worth of work in one day.

Yes. And you're designed to do both.

That's amazing.

I think that too.

That's so validating.

I love that. That's my favorite part about human design in general. I think two of the biggest lessons for this undefined center, one is releasing any pressure to be consistent, consistently motivated all the time, and notice what relationships make you feel like you need to be consistently motivated all the time. This is another center that is easily influenced by relationship, especially intimate relationship.

And I think the other one, we both have undefined.

Oh, okay. Okay. So could create a little ease in the. The motivation sense. I'll say I have the ego center undefined. My husband has his ego center defined, and he only has two centers defined in his chart, the ego and the spleen. And these are two centers that I have undefined. So I've explored a lot of interesting dynamics in that. But I will say, as someone with an undefined ego center, with a defined egocenter in the house, I do have to watch, like, his motivation, his drive is like. It is there and it is powerful and it is easy to get swept away in. And I really have to be mindful of, like, wait, is this motivation here for me as well? Otherwise I end up in my projector bitterness, which is the not self theme for projectors.

Is he a generator?

He's a projector.

He's also a projector. Oh, interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Splenic projector.

That's what my baby nephew is.

Oh, love it. I have a special place in my heart for those clinic projectors. So did I say the second lesson? The second big lesson? I don't think I did. Second big lesson for this center undefined is remembering that we have nothing to prove. So knowing that you are worthy because you are worthy. Because you are worthy. Period. Full stop. End of sentence. Nothing else can finish that statement.

I feel like I see that come through differently in my husband and I. I feel like maybe there's more of a shadow side to that and then like more of a growing through that side to that.

Okay, so let's talk about. Yeah, Shadow and wisdom. So the shadow of this center, maybe by no surprise, is unworthiness. Since we've talked about that quite a bit, the conditioning can look like searching for worthiness. It can be super easy. This feels like a weird sentence to say, but we're rolling with the wording. Can be super easy for those with this undefined center to get caught in manipulation and control, Especially people who promise worthiness by association. So really paying attention to, like, am I joining a group just because I think it'll make me feel like the cool kid? That's what comes up for me. Am I joining this group because I feel like it's going to be the thing that makes Me successful? Am I working with this coach because I feel like they're going to give me something I don't have. These are kind of the questions to help you consider if you're operating from that space of conditioning.

Yeah, I feel like I did operate from that space of conditioning for a while. I don't feel like I resonate with that as much or at all in current state, but I feel like so for the listeners. I worked for Disney for 15 years and I do feel like I was like, oh, this event has a celebrity on it, or this event is high profile, or this project is the project everyone wants to be on and I get to do it. Like, I do feel like I operated from that place and I don't feel like I lost that until I switched industries.

Was it the industry switch that allowed you to awaken to that, or was there something else that was kind of a catalyst?

Yeah, the. So I think in a lot of ways in my mind, like, because I grew up in the entertainment industry, like, working in the industry was like the top of the top. So, like, I did have an ego to talk about the center a little bit. Like, yeah, about a lot of it. And like, I think it was even the, like, it was the industry that, like, you sit down. I've said this before on my podcast, quite a bit of like, you sit down to Thanksgiving dinner and you see all these relatives that you haven't seen in God knows how long. They know nothing about your life and they ask you what you do and you say, I work in the entertainment industry at Disney. I'm working on this big show. I'm working on the Spectacular, blah, blah, blah. You get all the attention for it. So it was very much like, it just like fed that. Like, I should want more of that because people thought that was cool. And as somebody who didn't really fit in in middle school and high school and yeah, like, didn't feel like I found my people. I didn't find my people until I was probably close to my, like, late 20s, honestly, until I started looking outside of the people that were in front of me. It started looking more in the online spaces and finding true community instead of just the fit, I'm going to say fake community. I don't know the community that was like, planted in front of me. I did feel like I was like constantly seeking that, even though I don't think I actually cared. But I got praise and patted on the back and told it was cool so many times that I was like, oh, this is this is what I should want. I should want more of this. I should chase more of this. I should be the one in front of the casting directors trying to get cast in the new show. I should be the one, like, performing on this stage. I should be like, there was so much of that and I feel like switching industries. I went into payments, which is. You're like, how did you go from entertainment to payments? But, like, payments. I was like, oh, everyone's kind of the same here.

Yeah.

Like, there was not a. Like, oh, you're better if you know how to work this back end in payments. Like, that kind of thing just didn't exist. And all of a sudden I realized how unimportant that was and I stopped striving for that because it just like, was ripped away from me. And I was like, oh, I didn't actually need that to feel good and happy and like, I was full of life. Like, that was so unimportant to everything that, like, I was chasing it for no reason.

Thank you for sharing that. I feel like that story is just going to be so supportive for so many and I. I love that end piece that you just shared. I feel like that could be a consideration for people listening that might feel like they're caught in a pattern of this. What if it was ripped away? What if you were ripped away from it? What would that mean about you? I feel like that could really illuminate if you are caught in this pattern of conditioning, you know?

And I guess in a way that kind of came through with COVID because I was furloughed for eight months during that. And I went from being so absorbed in the entertainment industry. I was working on the biggest project I'd ever worked on in my career. It was the one getting me all the accolades. It was a five year project, and in the middle of it, we got furloughed. I was out of work for eight months. They replaced me on the project with somebody that was training to be my backfill. I did come back into a different position on the project, which actually ended up being a more aligned fit when I did go back to work. But that was the first time in my life that I was like, oh my God, who the hell am I without? Yeah, without the entertainment industry, who am I without the job title? Who am I without? Like, that was like. And I think 2020 was the year that kind of taught me like, whoa, okay, we're not living the rest of our life like this. But it still took me a while to kind of decondition from that. Like, I still had to go through this. Like, okay, so if this isn't it, then I've got to try something else. And at that point, I think I knew that I wanted to go do my own thing, but I also wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt and, like, try something else first. And I had to, like, really decondition through, like, a lengthy process. Like, this wasn't something that I was just like, overnight. Like, oh, yeah, that doesn't matter anymore. Like, I think switching into tech actually taught me to, like, pull back and to, like, just enjoy what was in front of me. And because I went into it with no preconceived identity assigned to me. No. Like, I had started working for Disney when I was 19. Like, yeah, I had labels placed on me from all. From growing up. Like, you don't go to work when you're 19 and not get a bad reputation for doing something stupid, because we all do when we're 19. And all of that followed me until I was in my late 20s and into my 30s. And all of a sudden I have these, like, labels placed on me. Complainer this, that. The other thing from when I was 19 that followed me. And I think tech gave me that opportunity to start over and say I get to decide who I want to be. Now, these people don't know any of that about me. Like, I can come in and be whoever I desire to be, which then gave me permission to go follow my own path.

Ooh, I love the highlight here. So there's something I've always loved about this center, which is that it's the heart center, but it's also the ego center. And I love this language in human design because I feel like it is the heart center that gives us awareness of our ego. It gives us that ability to go from the shift you just shared. Yeah, I'm going to prove my worth through working at somewhere like Disney to what do I actually desire? Both of these are me.

I.

My statements can be ego, but also can be very heart centered. And I love that shift that you just highlighted there.

Well, and it. It did shift in a way. I feel like before it, a lot of that was driven from the ego. And now when I have those same feelings, they are much more from the heart. And like, now with, like, entrepreneurship, I'm like, no, I have to do this. I meant to do this. Like, there. There's a difference in before it was like, I have to do this because this is the thing getting me accolades to now it's like, I don't need the accolades, but I have to do this because that's why I'm here.

Yeah, I love it. So the wisdom side, which you've highlighted, just a full journey into, is all about being secure, just knowing that sense of worthiness is innate. It's within you. And when living from that space of wisdom in this center, you can naturally take on the vibration of other people's egos and be super wise about who has a healthy sense of self esteem and who doesn't. Who can deliver on a commitment and who can't. Yeah. So it creates this really beautiful space of assessment when you're really stepping into the wisdom. And I do want to spend just a few minutes on some practical tools for this center because I feel like it's a big question, I hear, how do you tap into this worthiness thing? And on one hand, one answer to that is, it actually just is a very intangible thing that you have to continue flexing and you have to sometimes go on a bit of a messy journey, as you just shared in a very beautiful, condensed way. But I'm sure had so many ups and downs and feelings and emotions and plot twists and all the things.

Yeah, I mean, I think even just like one plot twist that, like, stands out to me was like, going after a management position at Disney and just being, like, given, like, BS feedback, like, you're not ready, but with no action as to why you're not this, you're not that, whatever. And I remember, like, going out with a couple of friends after work one day and just like, sitting somewhere at Disney store and we were at some bar that I've never been to. I don't really drink, so they wanted to go out for drinks. And I was like, I'll come. And I was sobbing and I was, like, literally heartbroken because I had no idea what I could have done to be more worthy of that or to. To have felt like I was ready for that or whatever. Like, I felt so confident in what I had brought to the table. At the end of the day, it came down to corporate politics and favoritism and. And things that I was never going to have control over and I was never going to feel worthy because of.

What would you.

But I have that moment, like, like, burned into my brain because it was such a turning point for me of, like, you don't it? Nothing you could have done would have changed the outcome of that. That wasn't your path. And I didn't step into a leadership position until My last year at Disney, and it was because I accidentally fell into it. I was paid so poorly. I was working so many hours, and I lost all sense of myself. But that wasn't how it was. Being a leader in the tech industry, that just wasn't my time. And I couldn't have seen that for that moment at that time. But I reflect back on that moment all the time.

Yeah. This brings me to two of the great t practical tools that can help anyone. With this center that's trying to navigate this space of worthiness. It's so important to check in before you commit to something. Check in with yourself, Check in with your heart. Why am I trying to commit to this management role? Why am I going for this? This can help you. It is all about money by those reasons. Yeah. You'll find things like that. You'll find things like, oh, well, I'm just trying to move up the ladder because that's what you're supposed to. To do.

The imaginary success checklist, as I call it.

Yes. So taking that time to check in before you commit is so important. It can be super helpful for you to stretch timelines, too, to say, like, let me come back to this or not make the decision. Because as you just shared in your story, the management role was coming. It just wasn't time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I would have been a completely different. Like, the things that I learned from not getting management positions are what actually made me a better manager when it did happen, because I learned all of the ways. I don't ever want to lead people, and I don't ever want to make someone feel the way that I was made to feel. But I had to learn those lessons first so that I could be the most empowered version of a manager that I could be.

Yeah. It's so good. It's so good. And it's such. Such the gift of this, of this center is one supporting others to guide. Supporting others to go towards what it is they truly want in life. But also to so much of the gift is remembering that your worthiness story is your power. And so even just the expression of that story is so healing for others.

Yeah.

Okay, we have one more center.

I'm excited. And this one I'm really excited for the solar plexus emotions.

Yeah. Yeah.

Let's go.

I love it. Okay, so solar plexus emotional center. If it's not obvious, this center is all about feelings. It's also about awareness. And 47% of people have their emotion undefined or open when undefined. Oh, I Need to do my auditory where this center is so you know where to find it. If you're following the map of your from your identity center diamond to the little heart triangle, if you go right to the right of it, it's your solar plexus, It's a little sideways triangle. Okay. When undefined, you might find that you're just deeply sensitive to all of the feelings around you. You are designed to take those on and in ways amplify them out, but also not take them on and personalize them or make them your own. So the continuous reminder for someone with this center undefined is it's not your job to fix anyone else's emotions and it's also not your job to take those on as your own. So the shadow side is feeling emotionally overwhelmed, feeling confused by what you're feeling. And the shadow can also be, I'd say it can show up in action as making decisions from an emotional state, which can cause regret or shame. And also acting from conditioning. I love that Alison just points to herself when she's like, calling myself out. Yep, calling it out. I do this. And then also you might find that you create coping mechanisms around avoiding confrontation. So I feel like with all the pointing, this shadow side feels familiar to you.

Yeah. I would say especially from the perspective of like making decisions when emotional. Like, I think until I had the language from Human design to realize that, like I'm actually a non emotional, I actually just absorb other people's emotions. Like, I think that gave me permission to be like, oh, I'm not actually feeling this. I'm feeling like I'll use like a funeral for an example. Right. Like I go to a funeral and I feel paralyzed, completely overwhelmed. I'm sad, of course, that whoever has passed away, but I think I feel every other person's sadness in that. Like I feel their deep level of grief. Like it were my own level of grief. And so I think realizing that, like, when I feel that way, I like, felt like, how does everybody else not feel this deeply? And I think in a lot of ways that was me just taking on everyone else's emotions, amplifying it and making it feel like it was my own. And so now that I have this language, like I've been able to be like, especially if I'm going to make a decision and I am in an emotional state or something. Like, once again, going back to the pause, taking the pause to be like, is this my emotion? It probably isn't. And this is where I found like energetic hygiene kind of things. To come into play of, like, cleansing my energy, clearing my energy field, and being like, is this mine? Is this not? Do I need a minute before I can answer this? Like, I don't need to make, like, a decision in this moment? Or can I remove myself from the room and think for a second before I react? And I think for a long time, I would have just blurted out the answer. Tears, frustration, shame, embarrassment. It all balled up into one big, giant emotional anger. Yelling, you know, like, whatever it would have been. Like, I would have just let it come through in that moment. And I think now I'm just more aware, I think, which is also kind of what you were saying. Going. Talking about the center. I'm more aware that, like, I am going to absorb, especially if I'm in a space. Like, I'll use, like, a concert or a theater or something as an example where you're just around a ton of people. Like, I'm going to take on their emotions. I'm going to try to amplify them. I'm going to try to make them feel like my own, even though they're probably not my own. And that may not be the best time for me to make a decision. And I think, like, that awareness has been pivotal, and having the language around that, like, these aren't my emotions. Language has helped me a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. It's that reminder of. You are designed to absorb and amplify, but that's not the same as taking them on as your own.

Yeah.

And those exercises you shared are actually so powerful for those with the undefined emotional center to step out of the room and to ask yourself the question, is this mine? Can give you that moment of breath, Exhale before reacting.

Yeah.

Before. Or your shadow. Your shadow might be to react. I would say your shadow might also be to shut down and close off completely.

Oh, I for sure breathe was my number one go to state for a long time.

Yeah. And so these tools can help to shift that in either direction, to be able to say, wait, is this actually mine to physically do the act of, like, wiping your arms down, wiping off what's not yours, taking a shower if needed, and just visualizing the excess coming off and through. Because they're not yours to take on, they're not yours to hold. And this is one of your centers that you have completely open. And I always like to call that, like, the ultimate empath.

That's me. I feel that on a lot of levels. I think for a while, I. I really resonated with the term highly Sensitive individual or highly sensitive person. Yeah, because I think that gave language to like totally why I felt so deeply. And I, you know, it was funny because my little baby projector nephew has. Is a non emotional and he shows emotion. Like he's like me. Like he feels everything so deeply. And I've been trying to help my, my mom and my sister in law see that. Like he's not, he's not the one dealing with the strong emotions. He's projecting the emotion back of every other person in the room. And like how we have to help him learn to like deal with that for himself and process that for himself is different than. I think both of his brothers are actually emotionals. Like they both are defined emotion.

Yeah. Yeah. So to those who have defined emotional center in your house, they might be the ones that are kind of setting the emotional tone because they have this fixed way of navigating their emotions and they might express their emotions in really big ways. And that kind of sets the tone for those who have an undefined center in the household as well. And so, yeah, to be. And watching a. Watching babies or children in their purest expression of themselves is one of the coolest ways to learn design. Because you'll see how they are actually already doing that in so many ways. How they're letting go, how they're releasing what's not theirs, how they're feeling the feels in their purest state before they've made up any stories about what those actually mean, which is the gift of this center.

Yeah, yeah, no, it's been really interesting. I think that this is why this one has, I mean, and this one's come up a lot. But I think like having this was one of the ones where having language around it just like really shifted. Yeah, a lot for me because I think for a while I was like, why am I the only one that feels this deeply? Why am I the only one that feels this? Like I would get into crying fits where like my whole body was shaking and it was just an emotional release. And I think also now like it gave me permission to like just let that work through my body. I think it's a lot of, like having the language around it is a lot of the reason that I got into learning somatics to begin with, why I got into learning breathwork, why I got into learning Reiki, like there. I think so much of that came from not from feeling like I couldn't manage my own emotions or feeling like the way that my emotions showed up were different than someone else's yeah, I.

Think that in itself is such a powerful lesson of like not expecting others to feel the way you're feeling. Because all of our purest states of emotion are going to look a little bit different and we're going to feel them a little bit differently. We could go down a whole rabbit hole of that with all the reasons why that is the way. Way it is. But I just think that lesson in itself of remembering I'm feeling this and other people might not be feeling it the same way, and that's actually okay. Can be the permission slip you need to then do the emotional hygiene work that you need to do to get yourself to the state that you need to be at for sure.

And I like, I said like if, if somebody is a non emotional, like I think going out there and finding resources on energetic hygiene, like what you were saying about taking a shower or a bath. Like I do that literally every time I take a shower or bath. I visualize the water releasing all of the energy that's around me that is not mine. And I just like hum and think about it and like the energy returning to the earth and returning off of me. And it seems so silly, but I do notice a difference. And I didn't notice a difference at first, but I think with time, as with any practice, like you will feel and you will be able to like, like it does become more tangible. Like you do actually physically feel the difference when you do it. Yep.

I love it. I love that. And also I'll throw in that movement is very helpful for this undefined center as well. So finding the, the type of movement that feels like it allows you to release emotion can be really supportive for this center as well. Whether it's a walk or dance or, or slower movement, slower stretching, shaking your entire body. There's so many ways that could be expressed. But movement is something that can really support this and define center as well.

And I think that's something that I've experienced. Like I grew up a dancer, but like the type of movement that feels supportive in different seasons of life has shifted. And I think that probably goes back to the whole undefined thing too of like just flowing with what feels good in that season. Like I went through a season where weightlifting felt way more supportive than yoga.

Yeah.

And now I've swung back the other direction. So I think it's just, it's also that permission slip for people to continuously explore. And just because one type of movement didn't feel supportive doesn't mean all types of movement aren't Supportive.

I love that. Alison, this has been magical.

It has been. And I'm so glad this is recorded so that I can go back and listen to it and reflect on it again. But, yeah, thanks to everyone that came and, like, hung out with us and.

Yeah, so good. Do you have anything you want to voice as a space of completion as we've explored all of your undefined centers today?

I mean, I think just that, like, I could see the growth in all of them and, like, the. The move from the shadow, and I feel like I'm actually in a pretty healthy place.

Yeah.

With a lot of my undefined centers, and I think I sometimes don't give myself enough credit for, like, all that I have moved through. So this was actually, like, a really powerful reflection exercise for myself in, like, trusting the journey and trusting all of the. Like, all of the crazy things that don't make sense in your life that don't that, like, feel really freaking hard. Like, once you understand your design, I feel like it just gives you so much more. I don't know if it's, like, it gives you more ease, but, like, it can actually help you just, like, feel really, like, validated and reaffirmed that, like, all of these crazy things happen for a reason. So if you're newer to human design, like, give it time. I think, like, there's no way I could have learned all of this up front, but now it just, like, makes me want to continue to go deeper.

Yeah, I love it. It's so good. It's such a good reminder. And also, I just feel like there was many. So, so much sparked in this conversation, too, whether new beginning stages of it all or have been exploring for a while. There's just so much goodness packed in here. I love it so much. Before we go, now that you have shared your transitions that you've moved through, do you want to tell everyone where they can find you and what you're most excited about with what you're working on these days?

Well, you can find me pretty much everywhere. Allison Haynes, Wellness. That's Allison with a Y. I feel like that's probably the most commonly misspelled part of it all, but I'm sure Megan will have all of that linked down below in the show notes. My website is Allison Haynes web wellness.com and my podcast is. But what if you did podcast? That is probably where you find me the most often, most consistently and sharing all the good, the bad, and everything in between. And what am I working on? I would say that just figuring out what it is my community really needs right now is where I'm spending a lot of my time. But I think what I'm finding is that more and more people are opening their minds to somatic practices. They're becoming more interested in things like human design and astrology and reiki and getting out of the western way of we have a problem, go to the doctor, get a not real answer. Medical gaslighting is more of a thing like I think just helping people to see that there are different ways to come home to themselves and there are different ways to feel as confident energetically on the inside as you do on the outside and just hoping to bring more offers like that to people soon.

Yeah, I love it. I have loved following your journey from the beginning and everything you're sharing that you're bringing to the world, um, it speaks so much to who you are in all your fluidity and so many of the the open centers we talked about today, I just hear and everything that you're sharing online. So we'll have everything all linked up and I'm so grateful for you, your openness, your vulnerability today and just all of the incredible wisdom that you shared with us. Well, thank you, thank you so much for tuning in today. If you're ready to get unstuck and on with a joyful life, you're ready to be magnetically you in life, relationships, business and everything in between. I invite you to apply for coaching together. It all starts with a clarity call. If you thought this was magic, get ready to blow your mind through your own possibilities. Apply for coaching at Megan Siemens.com forward/coaching coaching.