Navigating Uncertainty and Cultivating Self-Trust with Jacqui Acree

Welcome to the Clarity Corner where you'll discover how to unlock and express the most authentic version of you and realize that this is exactly what you were looking for the entire time. I'm your host and your coach, Megan Siemens. Now let's make some magic happen. Hello. Welcome back to the show. We have a fun conversation today with my dear friend Jackie Acree. She's been on the show before and I'll make sure to link that episode in the show notes if you just want to binge. Megan and Jackie conversations. In the first episode, we definitely dive more into the foundations of Jackie's work. She is an incredible certified EFT tapping practitioner and you learn a little bit more about tapping and the nervous system and some of her foundational concepts that she shares. And in this episode we go into some really fun topic conversations. But also the episode takes a very surprising twist. Pretty close to the beginning, something actually happens in Jackie's reality that takes us to a whole different space of the conversation. And we really talk about how to hold and navigate, navigate uncertainty from a nervous system level and how much we all need that when we are doing things like entering into the new year or holding holiday things that are going on end of year. And we really explore uncertainty and also self trust. And Jackie takes us through how to tangibly start creating more self trust in our life, which is a big question that a lot of clients ask. We also talk about feeling behind the concept of feeling behind and when it becomes an overarching theme in our life and how to navigate our way out of that. It's such a good conversation. It's always a great conversation with Jackie and there's so many light bulb moments in here. So get your journals ready, cozy on up, grab a cup of coffee. I feel like that's what me, you and Jackie would be doing if we were all sitting in a room together. We would have our favorite cup of coffee and just get ready to go down a bunch of rabbit holes and great conversations that just open your mind and your perspective to something new. Also, Jackie talks about this in the episode, but she is hosting a free tapping session end of year called Exhale, which, gosh, how good is that title? Every time I see it or hear it, I'm like, yes, please, we all need an exhale. So I'll link that in the show notes and make sure that you check that out after the episode or if you want to paus now and save a seat there, I'll be there. And I've done Jackie's live tapping gatherings before and they're so good. And I know this is going to be so beneficial for our end of year season, so make sure you check that out either now or after. And just before we go into the episode. In case this is your first time hearing from Jackie really quick, I'll tell you a little bit about her. Jackie is a certified advanced EFT tapping practitioner with a BA in counseling who specializes in making the OMG that sounds so weird world of tapping. Totally accessible even for woo skeptics. Giving it the side eye. Her clients have hit the mute button on their inner critics, cleared mental blocks that had them up against an invisible wall and moved through nerve wracking experiences like speaking on stages in rooms they used to be scared to walk into, or hitting send on that big scary podcast pitch with an ease they didn't know was possible. She's also the founder of Being Human Together, her EFT tapping membership, where science back tapping meets real time support, and the creator of Goal Trauma, where high achievers and recovering perfectionists learn how to set and achieve goals without stress clenching their butt cheeks. As always, I would love to hear from you after that episode and I will hang out with you in the exhale session at the end of the year. All right, see you soon, friends. Buckle up, friends. Jackie's back.

Strap in. Here we go.

I'm like, how do I start this conversation in the direction we don't know where it's going to go? And I'm like, buckle up. That's, that's all I can say.

I'm buckled in. I'm ready.

Everyone else needs to buckle in too. I actually just, I just read your email today. Are you okay after your husband dropped your champagne?

That was, I think that was 2018. So I've since recovered. I've since recovered. Yeah, I'm coping. Took a lot of tapping, but I've, I've processed it. I think we're okay now.

It made me laugh so much though, because I feel like it like encompassed that end of year pressure that we can have. And it's just like the one thing that just like can send you off the edge.

Oh my gosh. Oh, it was so sad watching that champagne trickle down the drain. So for any of your audience that didn't read that email, because probably the majority aren't on my email list, the story is my husband's a teacher and a lot of teachers are gifted, like just with such lovely appreciation gifts at the end of the year. And you know, I'm not going to lie, as the wife of a teacher. It's also a gift for me. I was always so excited. It's changed a little because he's admin now. So it's. The gifting has slowed down a little, but back in the day when he was coming home with lots of just, you know, lovely, especially consumable products, they're such a nice gift for a teacher. So things like if they're alcohol drinkers or coffee or whatever, chocolates, obviously. And he was unloading the back of the vehicle, and there was this lovely bottle of champagne. And he did the thing that you should never do, which is you load up your arms with one too many things. You're trying to juggle it all. And the champagne fell, hit the cement and rolled down the drain. Like all it just this beautiful amber liquid just fizzed its way down the drain. And yeah, I was definitely looking forward to toasting the start of the holiday season with that. Champions. So why couldn't it have been like one of those number one teacher mugs, you know, like, he's got plenty. Not to be, you know, unappreciative, but we could have done without another one of those. We. We could have. It's all about me.

You are drinking out of a mug right now. So they are a weekend.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

That's.

So I've recovered. Yes. Thank you for your concern and care.

I was really concerned for you. I was like, oh, my gosh, how are you going to enter this conversation? The champagne's gone. All the things.

It took me six years, but I'm okay now.

Six years of tapping? Is that the solution?

Yeah, it works really slowly. Really slowly. No, actually. And as you know. But this is actually a really fun fact for anyone who hasn't tried eft tapping or anyone who even does use it and doesn't know this tapping has been shown to work up to five times faster than cognitive behavioral therapy. It works really fast.

Yeah.

So I'm. I mean, I'm very interested in efficiency as a human. I love it when, you know all the. The lights when you're driving, all the lights line up and it's just like green, green, green. Aren't you just so thrilled? Or if you've got your route planned out in your brain and you've got like five stops and you perfectly map exactly how all of the pieces go together. And you didn't forget any of the returns or the special envelopes are mailing. Like, I just love that. So I think, you know, as someone who certainly spent a lot of time earlier in my life, in the chair doing talk therapy, it's like, if it can work faster. Yes, please sign me up for. For faster. Yeah, I think we're all happy with that. If we don't have to just like rehash the same old story for the rest of our lives.

Do you know that's like a Manifesting Generator gift to efficiency? Have we talked about this?

I'm not surprised, but yeah, that does not surprise me. Yeah. Okay, well, then what human design would prefer it to be, maybe be slower? Like, would anyone prefer the slow route? Like, if we are working through something you want to process, do people want it to take longer?

Well, I mean, I would say in terms of processing, like something that feels gross. I don't know. Someone let us know if you like to. To have a slower pace. But reflectors and projectors do tend to have a slower process in things. And like.

Yeah, and it's.

It's the gift of the Manifesting Generator. One of your gifts is teaching people efficiency. So what you bring to people like me, a projector who has a slower pace, is you can show us faster routes.

Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. And I think that what I. What I love about, in this context of what we're talking about is that we're not taking any shortcuts. So it's not like I'm not at all suggesting that something like you said something that we're having, you know, maybe a difficult time processing. It's not like you're cutting corners and you're not getting as great of a result, but you're kind of just throwing a band aid on it. That's not what we're saying. And in fact, the research shows that the results. This particular study I'm talking about was comparing CBT to eft, which is commonly called tapping. And they were studying food cravings, actually. And so the EFT group got results up to five times faster in this particular study than the CBT group. So this, again, it's not that CBT doesn't work. And again, in case anyone doesn't know what that is, it's cognitive behavioral therapy, which is a gold standard in therapy. And it does bring some great results, but it obviously takes a little longer, according to this. And it's not just this study, but this particular study I'm talking about. The cool thing is, is they did a follow up study one and two years later, and the results in the EFT group actually lasted longer and had like, they had a transformative effect based on the Fmris So they do brain scans to see are these food cravings actually resolved. And they were, which is pretty exciting in the EFT group. And my dog is about to bark because I think, Megan, in real time, everyone can experience true joy with me. My husband's passport is here and we've been waiting for it for a trip. Well, I don't know that anyone else will care, but I think that this is a really. This is a cool example of uncertainty and having to deal with uncertainty in life.

Yeah.

And everyone thinks that the opposite of uncertainty is certainty because that makes sense. Of course we think that. Right. However, the opposite of uncertainty because you can't solve for uncertainty completely. There's always an element of the unknown. Right. Like there's just. That's life. I know we don't love that as humans. I certainly don't either. But the opposite of uncertainty is actually self trust, so. And we trust ourselves. Can you trust yourself? Can I trust myself to honestly just handle whatever happens? And you know, sometimes it's really difficult. So it depends on what we're talking about. You know, like, did you get the wrong, you know, you're ordering out and you got the wrong meal delivered. Can you handle it? Hopefully with grace and, you know, poise. But there are things that really, like life throws you and you have to be able to handle the twists and turns and tolerate all of the emotions that come with it. And that nervous system dysregulation, which is not to say that your nervous system should stay perfectly static calm all the time because that's not real, that's not actual regulation, but in the context of what I'm talking about. So my husband's passport just got delivered and Canada Post. So I'm Canadian. I apparently have an accent. Had no idea, didn't realize. But for everyone listening, they're probably like, oh yeah you do. So I'm Canadian. A and here in the Great White north, our, our postal service was on strike for the last six plus weeks. And my husband's passport was one of 185,000 passports that was in limbo.

Wow.

And we have a trip booked for January 3rd. And we're like, where is this thing? Can anyone help us? What do we do? And I just had this feeling today. And you know, I'm very woo skeptical. I'm like, I'm like, we'll call myself like woo Light. Like I am open to woo. But I'm also not the person who's like, I'm going to manifest this passport's arrival. But sometimes you Just get these feelings. And I totally felt like it was going to come today. And ta da, here it is in real time. It's in my hand. So excited, but with uncertainty. I've really been dealing with that for the last, like, it's been ramping up. This last week, I've noticed in my, like, if you don't know what I mean when I say nervous system, it's like, notice how your body feels and what thoughts match, what emotions you're experiencing, because all of that will flow from the state of your nervous system. And a lot of people think that it's the other way it. They think that, like, if you can master your mindset, then all of the feelings will flow from there and everything just feels like, oh, but there is a reciprocity there. Like, your thoughts will of course influence how you feel, but again, if we're talking about efficiency, the fastest way to get those thoughts is to work with your nervous system. First though, this whole uncertainty thing, I've just noticed over the last week for myself, it's like, are we gonna get to go? I feel really, like, angsty about it. And instead of trying to like, white knuckle, like, okay, everything's gonna be fine, like, trust the process, instead, working with a nervous system approach just helped me to just hold the space a little bit differently for myself. Knowing that worst case scenario, if this thing didn't show up, it wouldn't be super fun to deal with, but we would deal with it and it wouldn't be, you know, like, you're not gonna. It's not gonna be a make or break it situation. You would hear me complaining on Voxer. Of course I would. Voxer, my friend Megan. I mean, that's. But I think it's productive venting. Sometimes you just need to have a total. Like, I don't know if we're allowed to swear on your podcast, but like a session, right? You just gotta be like, oh my God. To a friend that you trust and process that. But let's bring it back to self trust. So the question is, do you trust yourself to handle those inconveniences? In this case, I would call this like a mediocre inconvenience. I would not call it minor. It means a lot to our whole family to get to go on this experience together. However, you know, it is a privilege to go. Some of the things are way more major than that, and some of them are minor. And as we're going into 2025, all of us have goals and hopes and dreams and Intentions for the year. And if you can root into self trust, it will serve you so well for the rest of the year as those twists and turns come about. Because they're going to be there. I mean they just are. The one thing that. Isn't that a quote? The one thing that's certain is uncertainty.

Yeah, a hundred percent. I think I just put in an email the other day. Like the only thing I can Predict for your 2025 is that something's gonna happen that you will never be able to predict. Like you won't be able to put it on your vision board. You won't be able to like manifest it away. Like there will be a surprise in your.

It's not on your bingo card. No, but well, or actually it is. You just didn't know. It's the mystery box. It's the one in the middle that you're like, oh, I did not know I was going to be using the bingo blotter on that one. Yes, but you're so right. There's so much that we don't know.

Yeah.

Actually I think that if we can expect that like truly and again I'm not talking about that from like the surface level, but more from this like grounded truly. Like a knowing in your body that oh yeah, for sure something's going to get weird.

Yeah.

Then even apply that to again apply to your goals. Because one thing that I notice people doing all the time, I used to do this too, is thinking that you figured it out and that now things will roll smoothly from here. Oh yeah, I think we buy a lot of programs, coaching offers and like the, like we buy from that place that okay, this is the missing piece and we try to copy someone else's success. We're even sold to that way like this is the thing, copy my signature 5 part framework and ta da, you too will be a seven figure business owner. And the risk with that is, look, some of it might actually work for you. So that's, that's okay. You might be able to make some of it work. The risk is thinking that there's this arrival point where you've quote unquote figured it out as though there's a period at the end of that sentence. Because that's not how it works. It's just a giant experiment and there are so many moving parts that you don't have control over that will influence you and what happens next. So I always suggest like really truly expecting that at some point something will get weird. You might figure it out for a while and Everything feels. That certainly happened for me in my business with my goals, where it's just like, it's such a lovely place to rest and enjoy when it's there. That's another place where people go wrong, is they don't let themselves rest and enjoy it when it is there. Yeah, it's always on to the next thing, onto the next thing. But if you can, like, enjoy it when it's going smoothly, please do, because it's such a lovely break. But then something will get weird and instead of thinking, oh, no, something's wrong when you expect it, you're like, oh, okay, here's an opportunity to now figure out the next part. It's just another experiment. Try something and some of it will work and some of it won't. But it's a lot of pulling levers to just see what'll happen. And if you can approach it like that, then it's more of an adventure or even a game, dare I say. Like, that sounds kind of lofty for people who might feel like they're struggling right now. It's like, I cannot approach this like a game because it's so hard. But approaching it with more of a playful. Yeah, I was going to say mindset. It is a mindset, but again, I feel it in my body. It's like a lightness and ease. People tell me all the time, I want to feel light, I want to feel ease, I want to feel flow. And the way to feel that is to know that you're going to be okay with all of those twists and turns, all those pivots when something gets weird, because you'll figure it out. It might take you a while, but you have the resources to do it. And I. By resources, I mean your own intelligence, your experience, and hopefully the people around you that you can gather some wisdom from.

Yeah, yeah. It's so true. And gosh, I. It's funny, this is coming up to you with a. For you with a passport, because I feel like passports have a way of teaching people this lesson. We waited for my husband's passport before our international wedding.

Oh, my goodness.

That was an exercise in self trust.

Well, I mean, it's like, what's the. You can't do anything. Like, you're at the mercy of the system and in a culture where we're told you're limitless. Yeah, I'm sorry, but I was definitely feeling very limited there. I mean, there's only so much you can do. There's only so much you can do in certain systems. And we do not like that from. Okay, first of all, from a nervous system perspective, your nervous system doesn't like not having choice.

Yeah.

So you do. You and I always love to talk about nuance. Yeah, always. So there's nuance here. You do have some choice, you have some autonomy. Right. So you have to find what is within that locus of control, what is within my sphere of influence, and do what you can. And then the rest of it, we have to acknowledge that there are systems beyond our control. And I mean, come on, if we haven't experienced that yet in our lives, I don't. I guess there's just probably a whole lot of unacknowledged privilege then. Yeah, because that's just, it's just part of being human. I mean, there are systems at play that we don't have control over. And you gotta again, you gotta learn how to hold yourself through that. Right?

Yeah. I think you've touched on this without like tangibly explicitly saying that you're touching on this. But I'm curious, like, what self trust looks like, feels like for you. And I think it is defined differently for everyone. But the question I always get when I'm talking about self trust with a client, it's like, what is that? How do I put it into action? So I'm curious, I feel like you've said a few things, but like, just really, like explicitly, how are some ways that you know, you're in that self trust?

That's a really good question, actually. And now I'm really interested in like maybe going back to my membership and maybe we'll do another month on self trust and see if we can get a little bit more granular about what are the definitions that each of one of us individually is working with. We just worked with trust in my membership in November, November 2024, so it's pretty fresh. But that's really an interesting question for me specifically as an individual. It's knowing that like. And again, it's a tough thing for me to try to explain if, if people are like me, which I used to walk around like a disembodied head. So knowing to me I thought it meant like knowing in my head. And that is part of it. I think that's a valuable part. But there's an also a knowingness in your body. Yeah, it's like more like in your belly. Like it's. Or maybe chest, depending on where you might feel it. But it feels to me like this solid assurance that no matter what happens, I'll be able to handle It, I'll have the capacity to handle it. And I do think one of the things that's tricky for me with self trust as something I work on growing is trusting that because with some anxiety, I do have some anxiety in my life. It's, it's so much better than it used to be. But I do have a propensity towards some anxiety. It used to be way, way worse. I actually didn't even know it was anxiety, like, for the first three decades of my life. And people who are my age, which I'm 47, often talk about that like it just wasn't a thing that we weren't, we were never, it was, feelings weren't really talked about at home. So, like, if I was anxious, my mom would just say, don't be such a worry wart. And again, no shade to my mom. I mean, she had the parenting tools she had at the time. But I, my daughter, now, when she talks to me about feeling anxious, you know, I, I, I truly don't think I've ever said to her, don't be such a worry word like, instead it's like, okay, well, let's look at again what's in our control, what can we do about it? So the anxiety thing for me, sometimes how that shows up, relating to self trust is it's, I have to remember that I have, I will have resources then that I don't have now because I don't need them. So anyone who's been through a really difficult time, when you're sitting here right now, today, and that time hasn't happened yet, you imagine it. Like you look at someone else who's really going through something really, really challenging, and you think like, oh, my gosh, I don't know how they're doing it. Well, they wouldn't have known how either before it happened. And then you dig deep when that happens. So it's really having that trust that, all right, well, those resources will show up when I need them and I don't need them right now, so I have to worry about it. I love that sort of like this anticipatory anxiety because it's trying to protect you. That's what's happening. The passport is a good example of that because that has been a place where my brain has gone over this last week. You know, I noticed I started trying to come up with, like, contingency plans. And yeah, there's just a lot going on. And again, like, those thoughts were assigned to me. Okay, I'm not feeling very comfortable. Like, this doesn't feel good. And so then what do you do with that? Right? Like, then that's your invitation to like, okay, there's. There's something needs some attention here within what I can do about it, which, you know, we were at the mercy of the system, and thank God they delivered. They sounded a little too confident because we did, of course, check in. Like, where is this thing? Is it coming? What's. What should we do? What's your advice? And they're just like, it'll be there. And I just kept thinking to myself, I don't know if you know what you're doing. Like, it's sometimes a little hard when you're talking to somebody who's like, listen, like, do you know what the wet winter is like in Canada? Canada. Like, these people work in Canada, so I'm thinking they must. But also, like, this has to travel from Ontario to British Columbia during the holiday season in winter. Like, do you know how many variables there are here? Why do you people seem so calm? But they were right. So I have to give them credit and credit where credit is due. And my husband will be so excited when I get off this podcast interview and I text him to tell him it's here. He might cry. I think he'll cry tear. It'll be better than the champagne that he does not have to drink.

Wow. Way to bring that full circle, you.

Know, it's a special gift. What can I say?

So good. I feel like we can connect this even to this concept that you talk about a lot and, like, entering the new year and already feeling behind as well. Like, we're talking about efficiency and, like, doing things like, you know, quickly and getting things done and feeling like that efficient person. I feel like the shadow side of that is like. Like feeling behind because you're like, am I doing everything? Am I, like, getting all the things done? Is self trust the anecdote to this too, or are there other things that can support that feeling of feeling behind?

Question. Okay, for real. And I'm. I think I can say this with 100% confidence. I know I don't say very much like that. I don't feel behind ever anymore.

Tell us more.

I think. I think it's possible I may have solved that one. We'll see. Maybe I'll come back to you in a few days and be like, maybe we'll do the voxer after party and then we'll share a voxer where I tell everybody. Never mind.

I do feel I actually really relate with that. Like, it's. I Would say, can I give a hundred percent certainty? I don't know. Do I feel a hundred percent certain? I rarely feel behind. It's a very rare occurrence for me. So this is really interesting. I'm curious to see where this takes us.

Yeah, yeah, it could pop up. Like, so it's not to say that it wouldn't be to pop up again, but I haven't felt it for a long time and I don't anticipate it coming back. So if it does, it'll be a little surprise and, oh, well, we'll deal with it again. Like, so what? It doesn't mean anything. I think that's one of the. Okay, so here's the first tip. We need to stop attaching so much meaning to some of the thoughts and feelings we have. Like, it's. It's not always an invitation to like, you know, go really deep into the navel gazing. Like, what does this mean? It means something about me. It comes from my past. My inner child needs some work. Like, sometimes, like, it's just a little niggle and it's like, I'm sure meditation teachers specialize in this, actually. It's like the clouds in the sky. Like, you can literally just. You're the sky. The cloud can just pass and it doesn't have to mean anything. So that's. If, if that's something that you can get to. I think that's really a helpful tool to allow thoughts and feelings to like, come and go. Because they will. They will. But sometimes we grab onto them and we like, really. I call it mind humping. It's like, let's just really get the most out of this. It's, it's. And we get so attached and analyzing it. And again, if you live in your head like I used to, we're trying. It's a safety approach. Like, you're trying. It's self protection. So it makes sense and you don't have to blame yourself for doing it. But it's usually not very helpful to attach a lot of meaning to some of these passing things. So sometimes when we feel behind, you can just be like, oh, that's, that's. I mean, maybe it's just today, maybe it's not gonna be there tomorrow. That's possible. I do think that it's probably, though, for most people, because I hear this all the time from the people that I work with. It's more of a pervasive feeling. Like it's a sense. It's not. Because if we're talking in context, like currently Right now, in this moment, I actually do feel behind as far as my workload goes for what I need to get done before 2024 wraps up. That's simply because I've got while we're going on this vacation. And I'm not gonna lie, guys, I kind of, like, went off the rails this week, just trying to, like, enjoy my last week with my kids at school. And I did watch a little bit of great British baking show and eat a few sugar cookies, so I think it was a fine choice. But now there's, like, the other part of me is like, okay, I am behind on the to do list, so. And that's okay. I always hear there's where the self trust comes in, though. I. I've never let myself down as far as flaking out, which flaking out was another thing I wanted to talk about today. I know I won't let myself down, and I don't let my. I don't let my people down. So anybody who's working with me, it's not like they'll ever be disappointed. It just means that Jackie might, you know, might be getting up a little early one of these mornings to make a special coffee and sit and write an email that could have been done ahead of time. That's okay. So the other part of feeling behind is the perception. And this is based on conditioning, cultural conditioning. It's the sense that we're in some kind of a race. And if you're not in a race, then you're not behind. So we've been put into a race. We're pitted against each other. There's a lot of competition, and there's a lot of comparisons, and it's just sort of in the water we're swimming in. Like, you don't know the ocean is salty until you drink fresh water, right? Like, if you're in the ocean and that's the only water you've ever known, it's not until you're out of the ocean that you're like, oh, wait, there's water that's not salty. And I feel like it's kind of like that. Like, so just notice how much you compare yourself to other people and feel like, where do I measure? Where do I rank? Because that's usually where the feeling behind comes from. And it might be against yourself. That's an. It might not be other people. It might be an imagined version of yourself. But either way, this comparison and this measuring up, it creates this feeling like, I'm behind in life. I'm behind on my Goals. I. I'm not as I should be further along by now. And if you can find a way to step out of a race that you never signed up for in the first place, then instead of it feeling like this linear road that you're on, you can opt for a path and a path, because life isn't linear and life isn't static. Neither are goals. We just talked about that. Things get weird and then. So it's not a straight line. Right. But we're kind of sold this idea. And I'll say for sure, an online business culture, it's like, it's like this idea. Like, I went from zero to seven figures in 3.2 minutes with three social media posts like that. It's. I think that's changing. I am seeing more nuance and more context now, more transparency. But certainly that, that never used to be there. And it's still you. You still have to ask some questions often. Like, you got to have your critical thinking hat on for sure. When you're reading short form content in particular. Yeah. But I think that that myth that you're sold, it does make you look at yourself and think, well, then why am I struggling so much? What's wrong with me? And why is this taking so long when you. All of the energy that we put into evaluating that could be energy that you could put into just walking your own path, finding your own way. And that's. Yeah. So, no, I don't feel behind at all anymore. But I do remember a time in my life a few years ago when I still was feeling kind of lost and like, seriously, like, why is this taking so long? Where am I? What should I be doing? There's another part that I want to add to that, but let me, let me see if how this is landing with you. Yes. No.

Yeah. 100. I feel like the tipping point in all of this is like, what is the meaning you're attaching to it all? Which was like your first.

Yeah.

Tip that you gave to everyone. Because there's a difference between, oh, I am quote, behind on my to do list versus I feel behind in everything. But if we're behind in our to do list and we're attaching this heavy meaning to it, then all of a sudden it becomes that, that, you know, pervasive, all overarching feeling of like, I'm behind on my to do list, therefore I'm not going to go zero to seven figures, therefore I'm not going to be in the place I want to be, therefore, I'm behind in Everything that I'm doing. And all of a sudden this one little thing like not writing an email that we needed to write has become this big overarching thing in our life. And it creates this excess heaviness. And if you just unattach the meaning in the beginning, it could have created some ease in the process. Not to say it would go away completely just because you take meaning off.

No, but it is a. It is a strategy. And here's the. Here's the kicker for that. It's not a mindset problem. That's not a mindset problem. That's a fear problem. Yeah, it's a nervous system regulation problem. And so you work with the fear first, and then all the mindset will follow. And again, it's not to say that it's just like. It's like you just hit the one domino and now it's just. It all goes beautifully. However, that's where you find the ease. Like, that's where you'll make things easier on yourself. Because the mindset is important. But so many times what I see people doing is they just white knuckle the mindset piece, and it's so much harder. And if you have that mindset piece available, meaning, like, you've probably invested a lot of time and energy and attention and possibly even financial resources in coaching and reading, in, like, affirmations, whatever. So the mindset stuff is available. It's like rattling around up there. It's not that it's completely foreign, but it's right now maybe feeling hard to access. Or you're like, I keep wondering, like, I keep forgetting, like, what I already know to be true. Like, this is true this, but it doesn't feel true. Right. So it doesn't feel accessible. When you regulate your nervous system and you work with that fear so that the fear isn't in the driver's seat, then all of that mindset work that you've been doing becomes available. It's like it comes online and it's because it's stored in a different part of the brain. So your mindset work that you've been doing is not stored in the amygdala. And the amygdala will take over when you're scared. Like, the amygdala is like self protection. We're gonna drive the bus because something feels unsafe here. And so if you work with that first, then all that mindset stuff becomes like, okay, like, that's the passport is a good example. Because truly, like, I really. Our kids have only been on a plane Once in their lives, this trip feels like a big deal for them. I did not want to deal with two very disappointed children because of a passport being lost. Right. That was a big deal to me frankly. I'm ready for a break. Living in Canada, the idea of like a week of sun and sand sounds amazing. I have literally planned out the books I'm going to read. Yeah, I think I can do. I think I can do a book a day, you guys. I think I'm going to. I probably. My suitcase will be all books. I love it because God forbid I use a Kobo or a Kindle. Like they all have.

They're the worst paperworks all the way.

Yeah, I have to do it. I just. There's something tangible about a book. I really admire people who can read on a screen. It doesn't work for me anyways. All that to say. It's just really. If you can, if you work with the nervous system first, all that mindset stuff becomes so much more accessible because like worrying about the passport was freaking me out. But then what I knew to be true is probably it would work out. There are 185000 passports missing. No one wants all of these people to not be able to do whatever their plans are. It's a financial incentive, frankly, like in the system. And money always talks. And maybe there's a way that they were prioritizing the delivery of it that I wasn't aware of. Like if I hate to trust a system, I am so like not like prone to trust the like big systems that don't care about the individual. But I knew it would probably be fine.

Yeah.

You know, there's always another plan that maybe we could do this or maybe we could do that. But in order to have that feel accessible first I had to like calm that fear. Part of me that was like, oh my God, what will we do if like this doesn't come? So that was. It's the fast track. Speaking of efficiency. Yeah, it's the fast track.

Yeah, it's. It is the fast track. I, I so agree with you. And as you know, because we've talked. Personally, I've been navigating some healthcare system things in my life and it is so much easier to hold that process. It's a hard process, period.

Yeah.

But it's easier for me to hold it when I work with the stress first. Otherwise we end up in that react state when we're navigating conversations with people that are a part of the system that probably don't even have the right levers to pull to get you the result that you want. And so when you work with that stress, you work with that fear, suddenly it's like, okay, I can approach this with ease. It's still hard. I'm not letting it go. I'm taking action. And at the same time, it feels okay.

Yeah. Yes. And also, like, sometimes the stakes are high. So one of the questions that I love to use in tapping, and I do ask myself this a lot, especially if I'm feeling stressed about something, is just, like, just check in, ask yourself the question, what if the stakes aren't as high as they feel? That's a really helpful question.

I love that.

So sometimes how we're feeling is just a little disproportionate to what's actually at stakeholders. For example, doing a podcast interview. You know, I know people that get very stressed out about the idea of going on a podcast or being interviewed for a summit or whatever, but really, unless you're going on, let's say, I don't know, we can do hard things with Glennon Doyle. I don't know. What are some of the biggest podcasts out there? Like, probably there's a small fraction of people that are going to hear you. And so, like, what are. Like, what. What are the. What's the biggest risk here? That I sound like a total idiot right now? Possibly. But there's not going to be that many people in here, and you can just cut it out. If I do. You'll just edit it to make it sound wonderful. No, I'm just kidding. But do you know what I mean? Like, we get very. Now, here's here again, here's the thing is sometimes when the stakes feel really high and there's a mismatch to what's actually going on, but how and how you feel about it.

Yeah.

When those two things don't match, how you feel is much more exaggerated than what's actually going on. Mm. It's helpful to look back to the past because it's possible that something happened in the past that is now stored in your body and your brain. And when something feels similar, your body, like, pulls up that file, your brain will pull up the file and be like, oh, I know this. I know this situation. And last time that happened, that was really bad. Let's protect you from that happening again. And it'll create a stress response. Response to try to keep you safe. But this is not that. Now is not then. And so you might be having a reaction to something that's not proportionate and it's also not your selfiest self, like your capital S self. It's actually a younger version of you who didn't have again, resources at the time, but now you do. So you need to find a way to hold that space for that younger part of yourself and like integrate it, bring it in so that you can show up to whatever it is that you're doing that feels disproportionately scary and maybe is you can actually handle it. So again, self trust. I, I don't know if that's going to make total sense. Like, I wish that we could have like a real time conversation with your audience and see if that lands because sometimes it sounds sort of nebulous, like people are like, I don't really know what you mean. Like, my brain works really well with examples. So a great example would be like, let's talk about the podcast thing. So if you, let's pretend that on someone's 2025 goal sheet is I really want to do some podcast interviews or some kind of visibility. Right. They want to get visible in some way, they want to do some kind of speaking. Who knows something like that. But maybe when they were in their middle school or high school years, they did some public speaking in class. Didn't we all have to do public speeches? I did. My kids do. They still do. Ava had to do one yesterday. And it's scary, it's terrifying. You're in puberty. Is there a more self conscious time in life? And now you're having to stand up in front of your peers and talk. Yeah, like, no wonder it's one of the biggest fears people have as adults because all of that experience could be stored in your brain and body as capital T threat. That's how it feels standing at the front of a class as a teenager. Just like super awkward. Is today's zit the only thing people are looking at? You know, like, I was always told I talked too fast and it creates this like self consciousness. That's really funny. Hey, it creates a self consciousness and then you go out as an adult. And now public speaking might be part of, of your path to your professional goals and there might be part of you that's freaking the F out because it feels so scary. But it's disproportionate because now we have different resources, we have different, hopefully some different kinds of self confidence or perspective, which again, perspective does not live in the amygdala. Perspective is in a totally different part of the brain. So yes, we can talk to ourselves about, like, well, the stakes aren't that high. Or I'm a confident. Maybe you use an affirmation. I'm a confident woman, or whatever. But then you go to get on the stage and your knees are shaking and your hands are shaking and, like, you're flushed and your breathing is a lot, like, erratic. So if you find a tool like tapping to regulate your nervous system, that will help you because you're sending a physiological calming signal to your brain, Fine, I'm safe. Everything's fine. That's really helpful. Also, you can do it proactively. And part of the way you can do that is, like, again, work with integrating that younger version of you who had that terrible experience that we probably most of us had. There are. I'm sure there are some outliers out there that. I loved public speaking at school, but most of us, I don't think that was the case. Most of us are like, that was a horror that I had to survive.

Yeah. I actually stood up and left my college public speaking class. Fun fact for everyone.

Well done. And now here you are, the host of a podcast. It's true.

Yeah, yeah.

We're not standing up in front of everybody. Real time live.

Also true. But I have stood up on stages since, and I didn't die. Like, my system felt like I was going to.

Yeah, yeah. But survived. Go figure, right? Which also does give evidence to the body and brain. Like, okay, this might not be an actual. Yeah, bear. Like, it's not a tiger. Feels like a tiger that's about to kill me, but maybe I'll actually make it. Anyways, I feel like I lost the plot. What else were we talking about? Younger you. Disproportionate reactions to, like, are the stakes as high as they feel? That kind of thing. The other thing I think I wanted to point out about that was just sometimes the stakes are, though, really high. And I really think that it's important that we don't gaslight ourselves.

Totally.

So, first of all, don't let anyone else gaslight you. Secondly, I think we often do gaslight ourselves. Like, we try to, like, talk ourselves down as though, like, yeah, it's. Don't. Don't make. We're. Don't be so sensitive. You're making, like, a mountain out of a molehill. It's not that big of a deal or whatever. And sometimes it really is, and that's okay, too. You still do need to find a way to deal with it. It. But I think it's important to acknowledge that sometimes the stakes are really high. And especially at a time where I think a lot of people are really struggling financially. For example, it's just one. One tiny area that we could address. But I mean, the stakes might feel really high. You know, like, people have to put food on the table, and there is a lot of food insecurity out there. And so to your point earlier, when there is a perceived or real threat, what happens is our. We, like, rush ahead and it gets really big. Like, it just is like this like. Like chain reaction. Right. And what you were saying earlier about the to do list, and we just go like, oh, no. And it becomes not just like, oh, no, I have this to do list that feels overwhelming and I'm behind on it. But now also that means I won't hit. Hit my goals for the entire year. And maybe it's January 1st when someone's listening to this and it's like, oh, well, 2025 is a bust. I guess I'll try again in 2026. But that's not unusual for us to go too big. So a tool that people can use, a strategy that you can use in that case when you notice that happening, is shrink it down micro. If you can shrink everything down, then it's it again. It allows you to get some movement instead of in that freeze response where you feel like a deer in the headlights.

Yeah.

And so it's like, just shrink it down. And what's the next thing? Even if it's tiny y. Like, it could. Honestly, I'm not kidding you. We're so disconnected from our bodies. The next thing could literally be go to the bathroom. Like, so many of us just hold it all day and ignore our body signals. Go to the bathroom. Or like, I'm thirsty, go have a glass of water and mindfully drink it. And that's the next thing. And then what's the next thing? And like, maybe just shrink it down. When you feel overwhelmed, it really helps a lot with actually getting some forward movement.

Yeah. Yeah. Because when you don't shrink it down, you might flake out.

Oh, are we going to talk about the flake out?

I mean, I think we should. It's been a very present conversation in our personal chats recently. And I actually feel like it's super relevant to this too, because I do feel like. I mean, gosh, we can talk about flakiness through so many lenses, but I feel like. Like if you're feeling that I'm behind or I'm not doing it right, then you might flake out on yourself, which could cause you to flake out on others.

Yeah, I feel like that's true. I think I see that pattern in a significant number of people. Yes, I. I really do now. Okay, anyone who knows me well, if. If I'm wrong, I want you to please show up in my boxer, show up at my door, whatever it takes, but tell me I'm wrong. My self perception is I do think I'm one of the least flaky people you'll ever find.

I could agree with that.

And I think that I was about to say I don't know why, but I actually do think I know why. I think, like, in my childhood, so many adults let me down so significantly that I probably made an unconscious decision that I do not let myself down, period. And also, I won't do that to other people. So. And I do take it to heart when people let me down. It's like, it's significant to me. Which is really funny because we have some really close friends that are the opposite. And I dare say they probably. The word flaky probably would work for them. And guess what? They're some of the best people I know.

Yeah.

It doesn't have to be a character problem.

Yeah, it's true. And on the flip side of the spectrum, I like fear being flaky. So we're on my or in two sides here where you're like, I will never be flaky. And I'm like, I'm afraid I'm going to be flaky.

So funny. And again, I don't think I've ever experienced you flaking out of anything. So where do you think the fear comes from that you're.

I mean, it's definitely rooted in a fear of, like, letting people down or dissing, disappointing someone.

Yeah. Which is, like I said, I hear this pattern a lot for people. This is a significant fear that comes up quite a bit in the conversations I have. Like in my community, the people I work, work with.

Yeah.

So you're number one. Of course, you're not alone, and we know that. But really, truly, it's actually pretty significant. Also, you know what, I do work primarily with women, so I have to say maybe that's just my own bias from the people I work with. But I'm curious how many men worry about flaking out. I don't think I've ever heard a man say, I'm worried about being perceived as a flake. I also, as an aside, this is my soapbox. I never have heard a man refer to himself as a recovering Perfectionist, Honest. Never. Yeah, that's a term reserved just for women.

Yeah.

And why so, like, why are women so conditioned to be afraid of being perceived as a flake? It's interesting.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think, gosh, there's probably so many layers in this, but I think, like, for me, it comes to a fear of I'm gonna be then rejected from the group.

Group.

Like, people aren't going to want to hang out with me. People aren't going to want to be in my space. So there's definitely, like, a core rejection wound that comes with it. For me, I think there's probably so many other layers.

That's a survival need, right? Like, that's a base layer. Primal survival need. Can't be rejected from the group. We need each other to survive. So it makes sense that that would be a driver.

Yeah, Take me through it. Next. Where would you take someone after this to move through this fear of flakiness?

Live.

Live on air processing.

Okay. No pressure. Sidelong glance. Now suddenly it's like we're breaking up. We have a really bad connection, and I need to go drink some champagne and read my husband's passport. Gotta go. What an evening. Okay, well, where would I go next? Well, obviously what I do is tapping, so I would likely use a. If we were truly in a client practitioner relationship, I would use tapping for something like this. Because, again, we've already talked. It's a fast track, and it would help you to really connect with the truth. So my guess is, again, like, we talk about the self. Like your selfies. Self. Your capital S Self. There's a part of you, and she's more like your real you right back to you. Like the Megan that you know you really are, that version of you. Would she call you flaky?

No.

Like, not even. Like, you. I wish that people could see your face on camera right now because it was like a. It was almost like a. No. Like, that sounds ridiculous. Like, I'm definitely not that. Like, who would. Who would even call me flaky? It was like a very. Like. No. Not even a little bit. Right?

Yeah.

So then there's a different part of you who's like, I'm scared, though, that someone might think I'm flaky and it would have. Have severe consequences that. Ooh, those are. I don't want to risk those consequences. So I would lead you through a tapping process that would be like, okay. And then tapping. In case people aren't familiar with how it works, it's. Think about it. Like talk therapy meets meditation meets acupuncture. But like without the needles, thank goodness. And it's self applied, so I'm not doing it to you right. We're obviously virtual. So you are tapping on your acupoints in your body with your own fingertips, lips, and that's sending an instantaneous calming signal to your amygdala. And then that's what helps you to connect with the part of your brain which knows. Knows. Okay, no, and even if, even if I flaked out sometimes in the past, there were good reasons for doing so. Or you know what, like I repaired that relationship and took, I took ownership of it and everything's okay, whatever. So what we would do is we'd be tapping on those accupoints, sending that calming signal. And we would start with something like, even though part of me is really scared of being perceived as a flake, there's another part of me who deeply knows that that is just not who I am. And then we'd work through that. So we'd start there. And what you get to do with tapping is you start by telling the truth. So we'd start with the scared part. Be like, part of me is and see catch the nuance there. Part of me. So like when we're scared, we go into all or nothing thinking and it's like, no, I'm really like, I'm. What if I'm a flag? And we get kind of spirally again. What you, you did about the to do list earlier, that's what happens. It's like, it just like ramps right up, like goes so big and gets very rigid as far as like black and white, all or nothing. But you have some regulation about this already, which we know from the way we're talking about it. So I would use more of like a nuance. Like part of me feels this and part of me knows it's not true. So we'd work with first the part that's like, no, I really am scared though. I'm scared of being perceived as a flake. I really don't want that to ever happen. And maybe we would even work with like, maybe there's a specific circumstance that this, like, this just happened and I'm really scared and whatever. So we talk through that. And because we're sending a calming signal to that fear center of the brain, you do truly start to feel better in your body. Yeah, your breathing will slow down. A lot of people yawn during tapping sometimes. Like you might even get wet eyes. Like some people cry. Sure. But more often, it's just, like, I find for me, like, my eyes kind of get wet.

Yeah.

So you're processing. You're releasing all of this held emotion and stress, and the body starts to relax. You start to feel, like, looser. You can feel some fluidity. Some actual, like, tension has released from the body, and then that lets in that space. So we bridge over. So I would start. We would start saying something that would connect with you, like, well, maybe it's not true. So we use words like, maybe.

What if.

I wonder. I wonder if how I'm feeling about this isn't matching what people really think about me. Or maybe it's something like, well, maybe they do think about me. That about me. And maybe that's not my problem. Sometimes people might think something, and so what.

Yeah.

Like, I had that experience recently, and, you know, because we had a long conversation about it and what this person's perception of me is and what I know about myself don't match. And I'm not kidding. I don't care. Doesn't matter. Like, it just doesn't matter. Now, I do have the context. There is. I do have the advantage of, like, I know that other people that I really cared about and I do care about their opinion of me, they don't think that about me. So it would be different if, like, everyone around me, like, you don't want to be delusional. Right. It's like, everyone is like, no, this is really a thing. And you're like, no, I'm not. Maybe. Maybe you might want to be open to that. But what I'm saying is, like, sometimes people might think something about you, and it's just not real. It's their experience of you, but it actually is about them.

Yeah.

So again, tapping might illuminate that, so. Because what it'll do is it'll help you connect with what's really true.

Yeah.

And it will make that feel real.

Yeah.

Because it is real. But when we're in our fear response, we're really heightened about what we're scared of. And then you can't let the other stuff in. So that's what we would do. Is that at all helpful?

Yeah. My body is already feeling like. When I started talking about that, I could feel it in my stomach. And, like, even just the talking through it has, like, settled some of that down. I love the stair steps that tapping takes where it's like. Because how often do we go like, oh, this thing is going wrong. I'm gonna swing it all the way to the other side now. And we bypass all the middle stuff that matters. Which I think is what you're essentially touching on when you say we only do. When we only do the mindset work and it. And it's not working, it's because we're like bypassing everything that's happening in the middle.

Well, you're sure trying to. I think there are times and it doesn't work. We know it doesn't work. Yeah, I think there are probably times too. Like, you know, I'm such a fan of like allowing more than one thing to be true. So I do want to be really clear that I think there are times when mindset work is exactly the right choice. Like it's not to say never. I would never start with mindset. It's just that what I see happening. Because I would hate to overcorrect. I really do see, like we do that sometimes when something is like not working and then we overcorrect and we go too far to the other side. I think there are great times to use mindset first, but I probably would suggest doing that once you've already got a fairly good connection to what regulation feels like in your body. Right. Like I'm not walking around tapping like 18 hours a day. Right. Like it's. And because I have to. Because mindset doesn't work for me. And in order to feel like I can connect with my mindset, I must tap first. It's not like that. Like I've built a really strong foundation and often it's a pretty short skip. Like it's like a little hop and I'm there. Like I don't need to spend a lot of time trying to get there because it's not hard to access. Now I'm not sure if you asked my husband if he would agree about that experience. Probably I'm thinking about the passport as an example. You know, like there are places where you really let your hair down with people and you're just like, it really is the place where I can think of another relationship I have like that, like a really close bestie. And I mean honestly, we send each other our complaints of the day. Like we just boxer. It's like complaint of the day and it's. But we do it in a light hearted way where we're like having a laugh about it. But it is a place where like dark humor presides. And so it's not. Doesn't always have to be light and love and you're not always trying. Like again, I just want to be really clear, it's not like we're always trying to get to those quote, unquote positive emotions and positive thoughts. There's a place for it all. And yes, you can turn up the dial on those, on your experience of those. You can let more of them in or have more access to them. So I'm talking about emotions like, oh, the nebulous happiness, like that very vague word, whatever that means to each one of us, but like peace, ease, flow, connection, playfulness, fun, where like, you have to make room for the other ones to exist as well. And those. So emotions like frustration, disappointment, irritation, I don't know, like resentment, envy, though, all of those emotions. All emotions, frankly, they're all markers. They all have information to deliver. So just like when you're feeling like you're in the flow, that's in good information to have. But also when you're feeling like disjointed or frustrated, that is excellent information. It's pointing the way. So if you can learn. And again, tapping facilitates this so beautifully. If you can learn how to listen to those emotions without them being in the driver's seat, that's the trick. So you make space for them, but you don't want them driving you. Capital S. You, you, you drive. Yeah, and the emotions are just information. They're just guide posts. They're just giving you some directions and then you follow accordingly. But those inform, like, if you don't ever listen to disappointment, then you're missing a really important piece of the puzzle. I personally do not enjoy disappointment, so I am. Again, I never want to make it sound like, oh, this is so easy. It's hard work, but it's work worth doing. You know, it's also hard to be numb. It's also hard to go through life like a zombie. So you choose your hard. That's another little hot tip. This is a quick one. But if your brain thinks that something is easy, it'll take the easy way out. Out. It's really helpful to reframe things as like, okay, both options are hard. Which hard do I want to choose? Truly, you know, this is again, where we do have some autonomy. And you can choose the hard work of, of learning how to work with your emotions, or you can choose to numb, you can choose to bypass. But then you got to look at what you get on the other side of that and then which hard feels like a better choice for you. And I'm. Here's the thing too. No judgment, because there's nuance. Sometimes numbing out is A great choice. Choice for real. Like consciously. Yes, consciously dissociate. Our house almost burned down a couple years ago with a forest fire. And I wrote an email to my list about that. I was like, you know what? There will be some conscious dissociation this week for me because you can't think about it all the time. What was I going to be in my emotions constantly about it, like, oh, great, our house is going to burn down, including the whole community. Like, it was so bad here for a week and no thanks. Yeah, we watched a little bit of tv and so choose healthy. Like when. If you're gonna numb out, please make some healthy choices. Right. There's obviously a spectrum there, and there's some that are way worse than others. But can you give yourself a break from feeling everything all the time? Is that an option? And if it is, Like, I think that sometimes, again, where people overcorrect is they try to feel everything all the time. It's like you. You cannot. Some experiences are too big. They cannot be constantly held. You have to, like, two options. You could. Can you hold it more lightly if you can't let it go, can you hold it more lightly or can you put it down for a little while so that you can refresh yourself to then pick it up again? Either one, hold it lightly or put it down just for a bit.

Yeah, yeah. It's so important. I mean, yeah, this could be a whole other, like, one hour podcast conversation because it's so. It's so important. And I think in my life experience, grief is what has been the biggest teacher in that for me. Like, I can hold this all the time, but is that gonna serve me? I don't know that that's gonna.

I was thinking about grief in particular when we were just. What we were just chatting about. It's. Grief is one of the biggest ones. You can't. Like, how could you possibly carry that all the time? You have to. And you know what? Your body and your brain are designed to give you that, to give you that break. Helpful. If you give yourself a break and then can come back. Sometimes what happens, especially through trauma, is you dissociate to get through it. And then there does need to be a facilitation of, like, how do I get back, though?

Yeah.

Because we can become very disconnected from ourselves. Yeah, so there is that. But no, grief is so big. It's so big. Okay, you know what? I want to talk about next time because I did hear an ex. An implicit invitation to come back someday. Maybe I'll be back. And I'm going to plant a seed of what I think we should talk about next time.

Okay. And everyone can tell us if that's what they want to hear.

I know you'll be excited to talk about it. We could also talk about it in a boxer after party, if that works better. But what I was excited to talk about today, what I didn't tell you because I thought of it this morning while I was hiking. I was like, should we talk about Maslow's?

Oh, I was thinking about that earlier when you had mentioned, like, oh, those are survival needs. And I was like, shall we talk about Maslow's hierarchy? We're just gonna, like, plant this here for you all in curiosity and just expect that there will be another conversation fun about that.

I think it would be. It will probably need to be a full. Like, we'll need an hour.

Oh, yeah.

It's a really, really good one. And it's. It'll turn everything that you think about our needs right on its head.

Yeah.

So it's fun. It's a fun one.

Yeah. I think that last podcast conversation, we said there's going to be another podcast conversation. I can't remember what the topic was going to be, but it happened, so there's going to be a third.

Don't remember what we said the topic would be either. Did we have a topic last time?

I'm gonna go listen to the end and see.

Wouldn't it be hilarious? Cool. Well, now. Now we're committed.

Yeah.

I hope that everyone holds us accountable to that because I actually do think it'd be a really fun conversation. And I do think it's a conversation that would serve people really, really well. And I don't think it's something that you're going to hear out there. Like, that's probably. We might be the only people talking about it. So I don't. Not literally. Not literally because it's actually not my research, but I'll bring some research from someone else else. So it'll be fun. We'll do it.

Yeah. Well, the other great news, outside of that, there's going to be a third conversation with Jackie on the podcast. The other great news is that if you want to experience this tapping thing that you're talking about is that you have two free experiences coming up.

I do. Depending on when people are listening. Yeah.

Yeah. One will be very close to in real time, which is exhale. So tell us a little about that one first. And then just in case people are listening not in real Time, we'll show you.

I mean, do you think people might have something going on during that? Between Christmas and New Year's? It's like that weird time warp where you know, there's just a lot of eating and yeah, not being in real, real life a lot of times. But there is a session I plan for December 30th. There are two times to choose from. 10am or 2pm Pacific Time. That's my time zone. I did try to make it as time zone friendly as I could for all of our global friends. And you pick which session you want to go to. They're identical, they're 90 minutes each. And the intention of those sessions is to either hold more lightly or put down whatever you're carrying from 2024. You know, let's just acknowledge the year that you've had. And this is a collective group experience. The way I lead my group tapping sessions is yes, we'll experience something collectively, but also you get your own individual experience because of the way I guide it as well as the way tapping works. So you will get your own experience. Like it's, it's kind of this beautiful hybrid. So whatever you want to leave in 2024, let's leave it behind instead of carrying it into 2025. And then once we've worked through some of that in the session, that's where we're going to start and then we're going to bridge over to okay, now that we've made some space, what do we want to move into 2025 with. With. So what are we, you know, setting our intentions for in the new year? And I don't mean that from a new year New me perspective because that's just not a real thing. So it's not instead of like New Year new Me, it's like New Year true me. It's just like let's get more and more connected with who you are and what you're about and how you're going to move into 2025 by setting your nervous system to like the self trust position. So that's what we're going to do. And that's the exhale session. If you miss that one now, you're more than welcome to come to both. And they are both free. If you missed that one, there's one coming up at the end of January. The opt in stuff isn't quite ready yet at time of recording, but it might be by the time you release this Megan. So we'll see. But you'll be able to find the links. Megan. Will have them somewhere. So if you don't see them in the show notes, you definitely can just reach out to Megan for those. But this one's called Feel Good Goals. Goals. And it is a different session from the exhale session. It's more to address that feeling of being behind one month into the new year. So it's at the end of January, and what I hear from a lot of my audience is we do kind of start off January thinking, ooh, a fresh clean slate. And then we. We've seen some go down. By the end of January, something got weird, right? Whether it's even just like, oh, I watched more great British baking show than I expected. Now the story, the meaning that we attach that is, oh, no, maybe this isn't going to be my year after all. I'm already off track. I'm behind. And so we're going to work with that feeling because it's not real. And instead we're going to again, make space for something different. So that one's called Feel Good Goals. I'm really excited for both of them. That one. You have three options, actually, I created three. So there should be a time and a day that works for everybody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So good. Yeah. All the links will be in the show notes and the emails and all the good things. And I have to say, I've been to one of your group tapping experiences and you're so spot on. And like, you are having a group experience, but in on an individual level, it's just held and facilitated in such a beautiful way. So I'm excited to be at these as well.

Oh, I can't wait. We'll. It'll be fun. I really love doing this and it's the one thing I'm making sure I do over the holidays. So like I said, I won't flake out. There might be other things that I don't get done, but I'll be the only one who knows about them. So, yes, definitely. Please show up, sign up, and hopefully I will see. I know I'll see you, Megan, but hopefully I'll see some of your beautiful audience there too.

Yeah, Jackie, we can all unbuckle now. Unstrap yourself in from the conversation. Thank you so much.

I forgot that we. That's the beginning. You know, that's such a restrictive image now that I'm thinking about it. It's like we should have said, like, grab a blankie, because our vibe is way more like, grab a blankie, grab a cup of tea. Like. Like what was being strapped in Feel like, but from, like, a supportive, relaxed, easeful. I wonder what that would feel like.

I mean, I was thinking, like, roller coaster.

Yeah, I know, I know that doesn't.

Sound like a good time for you.

No, I hate roller coasters. Hate them. Okay. Sorry, guys. Hope that the kids aren't listening. My kids aren't home from school yet. It's the last day of school here today, and so that one was one for the kids. But, no, I hate roller coasters.

Okay, well, I like roller coasters. So, like, we can have, like, half of us on a roller coaster and half of us are cozied up on the couch maybe watching us go through the roller coaster.

Oh, yeah. I would absolutely watch you. You for sure. I think that's another beautiful example of how you and I are like yin and yang, right? Like, we always have a little giggle about how everyone who knows and loves Megan, she is like love and light. I just always find you. So, yeah, you're like my sparkle fairy friend. And we joke her and I. I think it's a joke. I find it funny that I'm like a grumpy old man. I'm like a curmudgeon. I'm just like the grouchy person. So Megan and I have gifts for each other that represent who we are in our chat cats. And for those of you who don't know me, like me anyway, please, because, yes, I do have a bit of a grouchy old man energy. But what can I say? It works for me.

I think it's the perfect energy. I love it, so I know everyone else does, too.

We go well together, you and I.

We do.

I'm the sour to your sweet. So we're just fine?

Yeah, it's perfect.

But thank you for having me on again. Thank you for letting me invite myself back for a third round. We'll see everyone then.

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